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22nd Jul '17 12:24:33 PM Theriocephalus
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** To reach it, one first has to pass the Basilisk Isles, a scattering of tropical islands, a notorious nest of corsairs with no ports save for ramshackle pirate towns and the ruins of the ancient city of Gogossos.

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** To reach it, one first has to pass the Basilisk Isles, a scattering of tropical islands, a notorious nest of corsairs with no ports save for ramshackle pirate towns and the ruins of the ancient city of Gogossos.
22nd Jul '17 12:23:26 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': Sothoryos, a continent to the south of Essos and modeled after historical and pulp fiction portrayals of sub-Saharan Africa, fully embraces this trope. To reach it, one first has to pass the Basilisk Isles, a scattering or tropical islands teeming with corsairs, escaped slaves, slavers and worse, dotted with pirate towns and the ruins of the ancient city of Gogossos. Past that, the continent itself is covered in an endless, steaming jungle until it vanishes into the unknown south, the only signs of habitation being tribes of savage apelike “brindled men” and the ruins of Zamettar and Yeen, over which no plants will grow. The jungles themselves fester with an enormous assortment of diseases and teem with basilisks, poisonous snakes, stinging flies and parasitic worms, with crocodiles and carnivorous fish infesting the rivers. Numerous expeditions have been sent there in history, every single one ending in disaster.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': Sothoryos, a continent to the south of Essos and modeled after historical and pulp fiction portrayals of sub-Saharan Africa, fully embraces this trope. trope.
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To reach it, one first has to pass the Basilisk Isles, a scattering or of tropical islands teeming islands, a notorious nest of corsairs with corsairs, escaped slaves, slavers and worse, dotted with no ports save for ramshackle pirate towns and the ruins of the ancient city of Gogossos. Gogossos.
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Past that, the continent itself is covered in an endless, steaming jungle until it vanishes into the unknown south, the only signs of habitation being tribes of savage apelike “brindled men” "brindled men" and the ruins ruined cities of Zamettar and Yeen, over which no plants will grow. The jungles themselves fester with an enormous assortment of horrible diseases and teem with basilisks, poisonous snakes, stinging flies and parasitic worms, with crocodiles and carnivorous fish infesting the rivers. Numerous expeditions have been sent there in history, every single one ending in disaster.
9th Jul '17 10:31:50 AM nombretomado
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''The'' [[AdventurerOutfit field equipment]] of any self-respecting European or American in places beyond the tropics would include the venerable pith helmet - before WorldWarTwo, plenty of RealLife people were fully convinced the head of a White guy would boil in the midday sun without, while the natives [[ArtMajorBiology were genetically adapted to it]]. It had [[FridgeBrilliance a more mundane explanation]]: while the people who had grown in hot climates would know better and stop all physical activity from around 11 AM to 6 PM, Northerners would insist on their usual work schedule from their home country, with most active hours when the heat is worst.

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''The'' [[AdventurerOutfit field equipment]] of any self-respecting European or American in places beyond the tropics would include the venerable pith helmet - before WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, plenty of RealLife people were fully convinced the head of a White guy would boil in the midday sun without, while the natives [[ArtMajorBiology were genetically adapted to it]]. It had [[FridgeBrilliance a more mundane explanation]]: while the people who had grown in hot climates would know better and stop all physical activity from around 11 AM to 6 PM, Northerners would insist on their usual work schedule from their home country, with most active hours when the heat is worst.
27th Jun '17 9:08:55 AM BeerBaron
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* Two of the southern-most regions in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series are Elseweyr and Black Marsh. Elseweyr is a massive desert with some tropical jungles at the borders, home to CatFolk who have a not-undeserved reputation for stealing everything that isn't well-guarded. Black Marsh (aka Argonia) is exactly that, full of diseases, poisonous life forms, sentient trees, and the only native inhabitants are disease-resistant LizardFolk who can breathe underwater. Goodness knows how it was able to be conquered and added to TheEmpire in the first place, because when ''demons from hell'' began invading the world, Black Marsh was the only place where they retreated in terror.
** Some sources note that the Imperial "conquest" of Black Marsh mostly involved occupying a few cities near the borders (i.e. "the ones humans can survive in") and declaring victory. The Argonians apparently didn't care enough to raise any serious objections. Additionally, Tamriel has the island nation of Thras to the south of it, inhabited by the Sload. While the Sload aren't uncivilized, they are rather hostile to outsiders -- their only significant interaction with Tamriel was creating a plague that nearly wiped it out.

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* Two of the ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** Tamriel's two
southern-most regions in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series are Elseweyr mainland regions, Elsweyr and Black Marsh. Elseweyr Marsh, both qualify.
*** Elsweyr
is a massive desert with some tropical jungles at the borders, home to the CatFolk Khajiit who have a not-undeserved reputation for stealing everything that isn't well-guarded. They are considered one of Tamriel's prime examples of a CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass race, and even the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName fascistic]] [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] preferred to get Elsweyr to join diplomatically as a vassal rather than via conquest.
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Black Marsh (aka Argonia) is exactly that, full of diseases, poisonous life forms, [[WiseTree sentient trees, trees]], man-eating plants, and vicious wildlife. It is home to the only native inhabitants [[LizardFolk Argonians]], who are disease-resistant LizardFolk resistant to the aforementioned diseases and toxins, and who can breathe underwater. Goodness knows how it was able to be conquered and added to TheEmpire in worship said sentient trees (known as the first place, because when ''demons from hell'' began invading the world, Hist). Even [[TheConqueror Tiber]] [[FounderOfTheKingdom Septim]] didn't bother conquering Black Marsh was the only place where they retreated in terror.
** Some sources note that the Imperial "conquest" of Black Marsh mostly involved occupying
completely for his Empire, just capturing a few cities near the borders (i.e. "the ones humans can survive in") border towns (where non-Argonians could actually live) and declaring victory. The calling it a win. (The Argonians apparently didn't care enough to raise any serious objections. Additionally, Tamriel has objections.) When it was being invaded by [[TheLegionsOfHell the island nation forces of Thras Oblivion]] during the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]], the Argonians fought back with such ferocity that the Oblivion Gates had to be closed there as ''the Argonians were invading Oblivion''.
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the south of it, inhabited by Tamriel lie two other continents: the Sload. While "coral kingdom" of Thras and the Sload aren't uncivilized, they are rather hostile "jungle continent" of Pyandonea.
*** Thras is home
to outsiders -- the Sload, "slug-men" who famously practice [[{{Necromancer}} necromancy]] while having a LackOfEmpathy and [[TheUnfettered utter ruthlessness]] as their only significant racial hats. They've long been at war with the [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmer (High Elves)]] ever since their ancestors came to Tamriel, and their most infamous interaction with Tamriel was creating to unleash the Thrassian Plague, which decimated Tamriel's population. (In revenge, the [[TheAlliance All-Flags Navy]] was formed from the navies of most Tamriellic nations and they ''sank Thras beneath the sea''. It would, however, rise again.)
*** Pyandonea is home to the Maormer, or Sea Elves, who are also long-time enemies of the Altmer. They have "[[ChameleonCamouflage chameleon skin]]" which allows them to "disappear by walking into the shade of
a plague single tree." They are led by an "undying wizard king" named Orgnum, and practice a powerful "snake magic" that nearly wiped allows them to control sea beasts. After thousands of years of raiding the coasts of southern Tamriel, especially the Summerset Isles (homeland of the Altmer), they brought a massive fleet with the intent to conquer. However, it out.was swallowed whole when the [[TheMagocracy Psijic Order]] created a [[WeatherManipulation magical storm]], leaving the Maormer so devastated that it is said they will never again be able to serious threaten Tamriel.
17th Jun '17 1:25:36 PM WackyGazelline
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** According to some scientists, the average IQ of people tend to decrease towards the equator and increase towards the poles - the more hostile the environment to life, the more intelligence you need to simply survive.
8th May '17 11:51:14 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* According to Creator/DaveBarry, Florida in general and Miami in particular. According to him, Florida has a constant 200% humidity rate, teems with psychotically aggressive ants[[note]]this isn't even exaggerated - as a rule of thumb the hotter the climate the more aggressive the ant[[/note]], giant insects that want to jump into your mouth, and ''crabs'' that tear up your front lawn and attack you when you try to pick up the morning paper. And the "natives" are even worse - the Miami version of a good Samaritan responds to a carjacking by ''pulling out a gun and firing madly at the jacked car''. As for politics, the only thing that makes the endemic corruption bearable is how hilarious it is. Case in point: the then-U.S. attorney for the state's south district who responded to losing a legal case by going to a strip club and biting a stripper on the arm.

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* According to Creator/DaveBarry, Florida in general and Miami in particular. According to him, Florida has a constant 200% humidity rate, teems with psychotically aggressive ants[[note]]this isn't even exaggerated - as a rule of thumb the hotter the climate the more aggressive the ant[[/note]], giant insects that want to jump into your mouth, and ''crabs'' that tear up your front lawn and attack you when you try to pick up the morning paper. And the "natives" are even worse - the Miami version of a good Samaritan responds to a carjacking by ''pulling out a gun and firing madly at the jacked car''. As for politics, the only thing that makes the endemic corruption bearable is how hilarious it is. Case in point: the then-U.S. attorney for the state's south district who responded to losing a legal case by going to a strip club and biting a stripper on the arm.
arm. Fittingly, [[OnlyInFlorida there's even a trope about it.]]
13th Apr '17 10:40:45 AM Lightice
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** Averted in the wider scale of the setting, as South is home to the Nilfgaardian Empire that is considerably more advanced and united than the Northern Kingdoms, and the nations south of them seem quite civilised, as well. Ofcourse Nilfgaard is also a genocidal dictatorship, but with Nazi-esque obsession with strict organization, rather than uncontrolled savagery.
12th Mar '17 4:26:14 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': How the middle of Westeros sees Dorne; they are regarded as different and less civilized. Not unlike the North, weirdly enough. The fact that they have a different skin tone and have more relaxed cultural norms in terms of sexuality and class doesn't help matters. When Tywin and Cersei try to invoke this to Oberyn though, the latter quickly points out the hypocrisy of the Lannisters, whose fame and power comes from vicious atrocities, in calling other people savage, especially since the Queen's daughter is living in Dorne and engaged to the Martells' youngest son.
4th Mar '17 2:06:33 AM morane
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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.

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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth [[GrimUpNorth north-like]] the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. life. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.MysteriousAntarctica.
** According to some scientists, the average IQ of people tend to decrease towards the equator and increase towards the poles - the more hostile the environment to life, the more intelligence you need to simply survive.
4th Mar '17 1:57:32 AM morane
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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.
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