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12th Mar '17 4:26:14 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': How the middle of Westeros sees Dorne; they are regarded as different and less civilized. Not unlike the North, weirdly enough. The fact that they have a different skin tone and have more relaxed cultural norms in terms of sexuality and class doesn't help matters. When Tywin and Cersei try to invoke this to Oberyn though, the latter quickly points out the hypocrisy of the Lannisters, whose fame and power comes from vicious atrocities, in calling other people savage, especially since the Queen's daughter is living in Dorne and engaged to the Martells' youngest son.
4th Mar '17 2:06:33 AM morane
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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.

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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth [[GrimUpNorth north-like]] the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. life. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.MysteriousAntarctica.
** According to some scientists, the average IQ of people tend to decrease towards the equator and increase towards the poles - the more hostile the environment to life, the more intelligence you need to simply survive.
4th Mar '17 1:57:32 AM morane
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** Note that this trope is ''inverted'' at the Southern hemisphere. The perceived "savagery" increases towards north (as the equator is there) and the more south you go, the more the GrimUpNorth the milieu becomes as the climate becomes colder and less friendly to life.. Until, of course, we reach the MysteriousAntarctica.
27th Feb '17 12:55:53 AM Theriocephalus
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* Somewhat justified as the climates close the Equator provide the life the best environment to thrive. Including also germs, diseases, pests, predators, parasites and other nasty creatures. Most snakes, insects and amphibians, for example, find their natural habitat between the Tropics and Equator. Likewise, the sister trope GrimUpNorth is due to the increasingly life-hostile climate towards the poles.

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* Somewhat justified as the climates close the Equator provide the life the best environment for life to thrive. Including also thrive -- including germs, diseases, pests, predators, parasites and other nasty creatures. Most snakes, insects and amphibians, for example, find their natural habitat between the Tropics and Equator. Likewise, the sister trope GrimUpNorth is due to the increasingly life-hostile climate towards the poles.
27th Feb '17 12:55:04 AM Theriocephalus
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': Sothoryos, a continent to the south of Essos and modeled after historical and pulp fiction portrayals of sub-Saharan Africa, fully embraces this trope. To reach it, one first has to pass the Basilisk Isles, a scattering or tropical islands teeming with corsairs, escaped slaves, slavers and worse, dotted with pirate towns and the ruins of the ancient city of Gogossos. Past that, the continent itself is covered in an endless, steaming jungle until it vanishes into the unknown south, the only signs of habitation being tribes of savage apelike “brindled men” and the ruins of Zamettar and Yeen, over which no plants will grow. The jungles themselves fester with an enormous assortment of diseases and teem with basilisks, poisonous snakes, stinging flies and parasitic worms, with crocodiles and carnivorous fish infesting the rivers. Numerous expeditions have been sent there in history, every single one ending in disaster.
** The furthest south beyond even Yeen, simply known as the [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Green Hell]], is this trope UpToEleven. Its jungles are home to even worse things than the northern ones, including apes twice the size of elephants, enormous bloodsucking bats, what sound suspiciously like carnivorous dinosaurs, enormous snakes and wyverns.



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17th Feb '17 2:17:20 AM Dravencour
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* Cannibal {{Exploitation Film}}s were very popular in Grindhouses all over the USA during the 70's and 80's. The whole point of these films is showing how "savage" South America is. ''Film/CannibalHolocaust'' is one of the most famous, and a subversion in that the film crew protagonists prove to be more savage than the tribe that they are filming.

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* Cannibal {{Exploitation Film}}s were very popular in Grindhouses all over the USA during the 70's and 80's. The whole point of these films is showing how "savage" South America is. ''Film/CannibalHolocaust'' is one of the most famous, and a subversion an UnbuiltTrope in that the film crew protagonists prove to be more savage than the tribe that they are filming.filming!
17th Feb '17 2:16:40 AM Dravencour
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* Cannibal {{Exploitation Film}}s were very popular in Grindhouses all over the USA during the 70's and 80's. The whole point of these films is showing how "savage" South America is. ''Film/CannibalHolocaust'' is one of the most famous.

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* Cannibal {{Exploitation Film}}s were very popular in Grindhouses all over the USA during the 70's and 80's. The whole point of these films is showing how "savage" South America is. ''Film/CannibalHolocaust'' is one of the most famous.famous, and a subversion in that the film crew protagonists prove to be more savage than the tribe that they are filming.
1st Feb '17 2:21:05 PM Morgenthaler
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** The land south of Gondor, called Harad, is considered a savage land. Sauron musters an army from there. It is important to note that Harad is ''huge'', covering all of what would in the real world be the Middle East (Near Harad) and Africa (Far Harad). There is at least one technologically and socially advanced kingdom in the Near Harad, although it's under Sauron's thumb. Next to nothing is known about the Far Harad, but what little is implies it to be a genuinely savage environment. The mûmakil, enormous elephants that the Haradrim [[WarElephants ride into battle]], come from these lands.

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** The land south of Gondor, called Harad, is considered a savage land. Sauron musters an army from there. It is important to note that Harad is ''huge'', covering all of what would in the real world be the Middle East (Near Harad) and Africa (Far Harad). There is at least one technologically and socially advanced kingdom in the Near Harad, although it's under Sauron's thumb. Next to nothing is known about the Far Harad, but what little is implies it to be a genuinely savage environment. The mûmakil, enormous elephants that the Haradrim [[WarElephants ride into battle]], come from these lands.



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** The Chultan Peninsula in ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' (also the setting for the first and last chapters of ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2: Storm of Zehir''). Swarming with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs dinosaurs]], SnakePeople, and the odd evil {{Cult}}. However, Tashalar on the same latitude is reasonably civilized. (Further south from ''that'' is [[ArabianNightsDays the continent of Zakhara]], which is actually ''more'' civilized than Faerûn.)

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** The Chultan Peninsula in ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' (also the setting for the first and last chapters of ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2: Storm of Zehir''). Swarming with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs dinosaurs]], SnakePeople, and the odd evil {{Cult}}. However, Tashalar on the same latitude is reasonably civilized. (Further south from ''that'' is [[ArabianNightsDays the continent of Zakhara]], which is actually ''more'' civilized than Faerûn.)



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1st Feb '17 2:13:12 PM Morgenthaler
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* The southern lands in RobertEHoward's ''Literature/ConanTheBarbarian'' series. Most of the lands are savage in various degrees, but the lands south of Stygia are more so, especially the Black Kingdoms.

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* The southern lands in RobertEHoward's Creator/RobertEHoward's ''Literature/ConanTheBarbarian'' series. Most of the lands are savage in various degrees, but the lands south of Stygia are more so, especially the Black Kingdoms.
16th Dec '16 4:12:53 AM lvthn13
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Historically, until recent times, areas near the equator were seen by many Europeans and Americans as not only unpleasantly hot but also arid or sopping wet and full of savage tribes and dangerous large animals like panthers and lions. If the heat, tribalism or animals didn't kill you, the diseases borne by biting flies or mosquitoes or food poisoning would. Modern advances in dealing with disease and wild animals have resulted in a more friendly outlook on these places as the risks are more easily managed.

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Historically, until recent times, areas near This trope may have its origins in the equator were seen by UsefulNotes/PunicWars and Roman perception thereof. Hannibal Barca spent ten long years ravaging the Roman countryside, handing the Roman army some of the most [[CurbStompBattle one-sided defeats in the history of warfare]], rewriting the entire book on tactics. The wars ended with a Roman invasion of Africa and the complete destruction of Carthage, who had been Rome's greatest rival for many decades. In Roman literature thereafter, the south would inevitably be associated with the "savage" homeland that produced such figures as Hannibal.

Later, the Age of Exploration and the adventures of European sailors, conquerors, traders, explorers, and colonists, would cement this trope in the modern mind.
Europeans typically found Africa, South America, and Americans as not only unpleasantly hot but also arid or sopping wet lands further afield to be hot, wet, filled with strange and full of savage tribes possibly hostile natives and dangerous large animals like panthers wildlife bordering on monsters - to say nothing of the horrors of exotic diseases, and lions. If in many cases the heat, tribalism or animals didn't kill you, the horrors of European diseases borne by biting flies or mosquitoes or food poisoning would. Modern advances in dealing shared with disease and wild animals the native inhabitants, which the immune explorers would have resulted in a more friendly outlook on these places as the risks are more easily managed.
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