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1st Jul '16 5:12:26 AM PRH
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The title of this article is a pun on Music/TheRevolutionWillNotBeTelevised by Music/GilScottHeron, in case you didn't know.

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The title of this article is a pun on Music/TheRevolutionWillNotBeTelevised by Music/GilScottHeron, in case you didn't know.
Music/GilScottHeron.
30th Jun '16 4:25:06 PM Timjames98
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This isn't necessarily an unrealistic trope, as rebellions and revolutions almost never happen for no reason at all. They're usually the expression of real, preexisting problems and grievances, often founded on economic inequality.

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This isn't necessarily an unrealistic trope, as rebellions and revolutions almost never happen for no reason at all. They're usually the expression of real, preexisting problems and grievances, often founded on economic inequality.
inequality or long-lasting cultural discrimination.
14th Jun '16 1:37:06 AM Doug86
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* Usually averted in the StarTrekNovelVerse. Rebel movements are often very ambiguous and/or complex. For example, the Silgov in ''Literature/StarfleetCorpsOfEngineers'', though clearly victimized, are presented as questionable in some regards themselves, willing to victimize Koa in turn in order to get what they want. The X'Mari Resistance, meanwhile, are sympathetic, but clearly no saints. One of the best examples is in the novel ''Literature/DiplomaticImplausibility''. On taD, while the al'Hmatti are indeed victimized by Klingon oppression, at least one Klingon overseer is genuinely upset to discover an al'Hmatti he thought was a friend was a terrorist/freedom fighter. His distress when the al'Hmatti in question turns on him is portrayed with great sympathy. Both Klingon and al'Hmatti are treated with respect by the author throughout. Finally, the Nachri rebels are questionable in conduct, too, although their grievances may well be legitimate.

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* Usually averted in the StarTrekNovelVerse.Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse. Rebel movements are often very ambiguous and/or complex. For example, the Silgov in ''Literature/StarfleetCorpsOfEngineers'', though clearly victimized, are presented as questionable in some regards themselves, willing to victimize Koa in turn in order to get what they want. The X'Mari Resistance, meanwhile, are sympathetic, but clearly no saints. One of the best examples is in the novel ''Literature/DiplomaticImplausibility''. On taD, while the al'Hmatti are indeed victimized by Klingon oppression, at least one Klingon overseer is genuinely upset to discover an al'Hmatti he thought was a friend was a terrorist/freedom fighter. His distress when the al'Hmatti in question turns on him is portrayed with great sympathy. Both Klingon and al'Hmatti are treated with respect by the author throughout. Finally, the Nachri rebels are questionable in conduct, too, although their grievances may well be legitimate.
4th Jun '16 3:48:14 PM WillKeaton
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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim''. The game starts with the player and some Stormcloak rebels ending up victims of the Empire. (The player almost gets beheaded despite not being a rebel.) This gives the player a positive view of the Stormcloaks. But as the game progresses, it soon turns into a GreyAndGreyMorality situation as it's shown the Stormcloaks and the Imperials both have their flaws. The Stormcloaks' leader is racist and stubborn, but the Empire is oppressing a religion at the behest of the super racist Thalmor (it agreed to do so in a treaty, but the necessity of the treaty is questionable as it was one of the initial demands in the first place). Both sides are happy to kill the other and the civil war means that the Empire may be less able to defend itself against the Thalmor.

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim''. The game starts with the player and some Stormcloak rebels ending up victims of the Empire. (The player almost gets beheaded despite not being a rebel.) This gives the player a positive view of the Stormcloaks. But as the game progresses, it soon turns into a GreyAndGreyMorality situation as it's shown the Stormcloaks and the Imperials both have their flaws. The Stormcloaks' leader is racist and stubborn, but the Empire is oppressing a religion at the behest of the super racist Thalmor (it Thalmor. (The Empire agreed to do so in a treaty, but the necessity of the treaty is questionable as it was one of the initial demands outlaw Talos worship in the first place). White-Gold Concordat.) Both sides are happy to kill the other and the civil war means that the Empire may be less able to defend itself against the Thalmor.
4th Jun '16 3:46:01 PM WillKeaton
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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim''. The game starts with the player and some Stormcloak rebels ending up victims of the Empire (the player almost gets beheaded despite not being a rebel). This gives the player a positive view of the Stormcloaks. But as the game progresses, it soon turns into a GreyAndGreyMorality situation as it's shown the Stormcloaks and the Imperials both have their flaws. The Stormcloaks' leader is racist and stubborn, but the Empire is oppressing a religion at the behest of the super racist Thalmor (it agreed to do so in a treaty, but the necessity of the treaty is questionable as it was one of the initial demands in the first place). Both sides are happy to kill the other and the civil war means that the Empire may be less able to defend itself against the Thalmor.

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim''. The game starts with the player and some Stormcloak rebels ending up victims of the Empire (the Empire. (The player almost gets beheaded despite not being a rebel). rebel.) This gives the player a positive view of the Stormcloaks. But as the game progresses, it soon turns into a GreyAndGreyMorality situation as it's shown the Stormcloaks and the Imperials both have their flaws. The Stormcloaks' leader is racist and stubborn, but the Empire is oppressing a religion at the behest of the super racist Thalmor (it agreed to do so in a treaty, but the necessity of the treaty is questionable as it was one of the initial demands in the first place). Both sides are happy to kill the other and the civil war means that the Empire may be less able to defend itself against the Thalmor.
4th Jun '16 3:42:28 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': A historical exception to the "If the revolutionaries are wearing brown, they're the bad guys" which tells us a bit about the SortingAlgorithmOfPoliticalIdeologies: If you want the DirtyCommies to be the good guys, the bad guys pretty much have to be fascists.

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* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': A historical exception to the "If the revolutionaries are wearing brown, they're the bad guys" which tells us a bit about the SortingAlgorithmOfPoliticalIdeologies: [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies sorting algorithm of political ideologies]]: If you want the DirtyCommies to be the good guys, the bad guys pretty much have to be fascists.
4th Jun '16 3:36:29 PM WillKeaton
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* In Literature/TheDoctorsOfTheCatFamily the leader of the revolution is OK with Thomas healing thier captured enemies.

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* In Literature/TheDoctorsOfTheCatFamily the leader of the revolution is OK with Thomas healing thier their captured enemies.



* WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower led an example of a good rebellion...though with the majority of her RoguesGallery being even more incompetent than that of her SpearCounterpart [[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 He-Man]] with a ZeroPercentApprovalRating to boot, it's a wonder she wasn't running Etheria by the end of the first season.

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* WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower ''WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower'' led an example of a good rebellion...though with the majority of her RoguesGallery being even more incompetent than that of her SpearCounterpart [[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 He-Man]] with a ZeroPercentApprovalRating to boot, it's a wonder she wasn't running Etheria by the end of the first season.


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* The Freedom Fighters from ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' are a strictly heroic group that is trying to overthrow the evil Dr. Robotnik. Technically however this is a ''counter''-revolution, as they are lead by a princess who happens to be the daughter of the king Robotnik deposed in ''his'' revolution.
4th Jun '16 3:31:37 PM WillKeaton
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* RedFaction with 1 and Guerilla, Ultor and Earth Defense Force are absolutely evil tyrants who have NO redeeming personalities and the revolution rarely commits acts of genuine evil. 2 is slightly more ambiguous.

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* RedFaction with 1 ''RedFaction'' and Guerilla, ''Red Faction Guerilla,'' Ultor and the Earth Defense Force are absolutely evil tyrants who have NO redeeming personalities and the revolution rarely commits acts of genuine evil. 2 ''Red Faction 2'' is slightly more ambiguous.
4th Jun '16 3:30:15 PM WillKeaton
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* Played with in YggdraUnion. Yggdra and her army are unambiguously good people who believe that they're doing the right thing. Yggdra's enemies, Gulcasa and ''his'' army, are exactly the same. Both characters are revolutionaries--Gulcasa overthrew his country's corrupt government via coup d'etat; Yggdra seeks to reclaim her country from Gulcasa's invasion--but Gulcasa is a WellIntentionedExtremist who believes he has to conquer the world to save the poor and weak, and Yggdra has been raised since birth to believe that she has an OmniscientMoralityLicense. [[KillEmAll The body count by the end of the game includes almost every character who isn't in Yggdra's army.]] [[WhatTheHellHero The narrative doesn't hesitate to call you out repeatedly.]]

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* Played with in YggdraUnion. ''YggdraUnion.'' Yggdra and her army are unambiguously good people who believe that they're doing the right thing. Yggdra's enemies, Gulcasa and ''his'' army, are exactly the same. Both characters are revolutionaries--Gulcasa overthrew his country's corrupt government via coup d'etat; Yggdra seeks to reclaim her country from Gulcasa's invasion--but Gulcasa is a WellIntentionedExtremist who believes he has to conquer the world to save the poor and weak, and Yggdra has been raised since birth to believe that she has an OmniscientMoralityLicense. [[KillEmAll The body count by the end of the game includes almost every character who isn't in Yggdra's army.]] [[WhatTheHellHero The narrative doesn't hesitate to call you out repeatedly.]]
17th May '16 12:47:34 AM mrnickname
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* Both the government and the anti-government rebellion in Manga/Area88 are portrayed as esentially good people; who just couldn't agree over certain issues. Then again, Manga/Area88 isn't really about the Aslani Civil War, but the dehumanising and destructive effects, war has on people. [[DontDoThisCoolThing And awesome dogfights.]]
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