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* If you really squint at the Literature/BookOfExodus, Moses is effectively literature's first bio-terrorist, and takes out his aggression against the government on the civilian population.
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10th Apr '17 3:49:58 PM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': The Crystal Gems are the members of a ServantRace who TurnedAgainstTheirMasters to prevent [[TheEmpire Homeworld]] from [[HostileTerraforming destroying all life on Earth to make new gems and a colony]]. Homeworld is expansionist, [[FinalSolution wanted to wipe the Crystal Gems out entirely]], treat their own members as [[WeHaveReserves expendable]] and [[IndividualityIsIllegal interchangeable]], and committed atrocities such as [[spoiler:resurrecting the dead to create a WeaponOfMassDestruction and inflicting TheCorruption on most of their enemies--along with much of their own forces]]. The Crystal Gems have an essentially defensive mission, took their enemies alive whenever possible (i.e. most of the time because of gems' [[FromASingleCell regenerative abilities]]), and most of them joined their leader's cause [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe because they were treated with respect and dignity]]. [[spoiler:Bismuth wanted to take the Crystal Gems into shadier territory, planning to deliberately kill enemy gems as a means to topple Homeworld's leadership, but Rose put a stop to that (and apparently reigned in anyone else who felt otherwise).]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': The Crystal Gems are the members of a ServantRace who TurnedAgainstTheirMasters to prevent [[TheEmpire Homeworld]] from [[HostileTerraforming destroying all life on Earth to make new gems and a colony]]. Homeworld is expansionist, [[FinalSolution wanted to wipe the Crystal Gems out entirely]], treat their own members as [[WeHaveReserves expendable]] and [[IndividualityIsIllegal interchangeable]], and committed atrocities such as [[spoiler:resurrecting the dead to create a WeaponOfMassDestruction and inflicting TheCorruption on most of their enemies--along with much of their own forces]]. The Crystal Gems have an essentially defensive mission, took their enemies alive whenever possible (i.e. most of the time because of gems' [[FromASingleCell regenerative abilities]]), and most of them joined their leader's cause [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe because they were treated with respect and dignity]]. [[spoiler:Bismuth wanted to take the Crystal Gems into [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized shadier territory, territory]], planning to deliberately kill enemy gems as a means to topple Homeworld's leadership, but Rose put a stop to that (and apparently reigned in anyone else who felt otherwise).]]
10th Apr '17 3:49:35 PM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents''' take on the American Revolution goes into this trope rather shamelessly. They even show what modern-day America would be like, were it still under British rule; a nation of bad-toothed [[EvilBrit Evil Brits]] stuck in the early 19th century, and still regularly ravaged by the taxman.



* ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents''' take on the American Revolution goes into this trope rather shamelessly. They even show what modern-day America would be like, were it still under British rule; a nation of bad-toothed [[EvilBrit Evil Brits]] stuck in the early 19th century, and still regularly ravaged by the taxman.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents''' ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': The Crystal Gems are the members of a ServantRace who TurnedAgainstTheirMasters to prevent [[TheEmpire Homeworld]] from [[HostileTerraforming destroying all life on Earth to make new gems and a colony]]. Homeworld is expansionist, [[FinalSolution wanted to wipe the Crystal Gems out entirely]], treat their own members as [[WeHaveReserves expendable]] and [[IndividualityIsIllegal interchangeable]], and committed atrocities such as [[spoiler:resurrecting the dead to create a WeaponOfMassDestruction and inflicting TheCorruption on most of their enemies--along with much of their own forces]]. The Crystal Gems have an essentially defensive mission, took their enemies alive whenever possible (i.e. most of the time because of gems' [[FromASingleCell regenerative abilities]]), and most of them joined their leader's cause [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe because they were treated with respect and dignity]]. [[spoiler:Bismuth wanted to take on the American Revolution goes Crystal Gems into this trope rather shamelessly. They even show what modern-day America would be like, were it still under British rule; shadier territory, planning to deliberately kill enemy gems as a nation of bad-toothed [[EvilBrit Evil Brits]] stuck means to topple Homeworld's leadership, but Rose put a stop to that (and apparently reigned in the early 19th century, and still regularly ravaged by the taxman.anyone else who felt otherwise).]]



-->''"Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason?''\\
''For if it prosper, none dare call it 'treason.'"''

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-->''"Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason?''\\
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if it prosper, none dare call it 'treason.'"''
10th Apr '17 2:20:22 PM thatother1dude
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** Which makes it even more crushing when [[spoiler: they are crushed]]
*** [[spoiler:Not really. Deloyer does get its freedom, but Federation troops and Earth-based corporations stay though]].



* Both the government and the anti-government rebellion in Manga/Area88 are portrayed as esentially good people; who just couldn't agree over certain issues. Then again, Manga/Area88 isn't really about the Aslani Civil War, but the dehumanising and destructive effects, war has on people. [[DontDoThisCoolThing And awesome dogfights.]]

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* Both the government and the anti-government rebellion in Manga/Area88 are portrayed as esentially essentially good people; who just couldn't agree over certain issues. Then again, Manga/Area88 isn't really about the Aslani Civil War, but the dehumanising and destructive effects, war has on people. [[DontDoThisCoolThing And awesome dogfights.]]



** In a technical sense, the Rebels in the films are not really revolutionaries, since they want to restore the Old Republic. So they are more specifically LaResistance. They oppose the deposition of the Old Republic and don't seek to install a new kind of government or alternate form of system, but the one the Empire destroyed. The Old Republic in the Prequels is shown to be overly stuffy and bureaucratic, and it easily gets manipulated into becoming TheEmpire under EmergencyAuthority.
** Ironically, the Confederacy of Independent Systems in the prequels is almost entirely shown as being a big business-backed attempt to rule the galaxy in the name of profit, with all of the big names fully aware of this. It's only the planets that revolt against the Republic in hope of receiving Confederacy assistance that actually believe in the moral cause beyond lip service. (If this ever came to light, it may have been what resulted in the Rebellion being looked upon so unfavorably in later years.) Also the fact they are dominated by dissident nonhuman groups no doubt helped Imperial propaganda, which doubtless is all part of the evil plan.
* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': A historical exception to the "If the revolutionaries are wearing brown, they're the bad guys" which tells us a bit about the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies sorting algorithm of political ideologies]]: If you want the DirtyCommies to be the good guys, the bad guys pretty much have to be fascists.
** We still see them doing the old "[[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene line up soldiers to shoot them in the head]]" shtick that the fascist military was doing itself earlier.
** Not to mention that the rebels ''already'' lost the war; throughout the film, they're basically on a constant retreat.
* ''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'' subverts the usual roles of the evil Roman Empire and heroic rebels, as the various rebel factions [[WeAreStrugglingTogether spend too much time fighting each other]] to do anything about the Romans. "The Judean People's Front? Splitters!"
--> "All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
--> " Brought peace?"
--> "Oh, peace - shut up!"

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** In a technical sense, the Rebels in the films are not really revolutionaries, since they want to restore the Old Republic. So they are more specifically LaResistance. They oppose the deposition of the Old Republic and don't seek to install a new kind of government or alternate form of system, but the one the Empire destroyed. The Old Republic in the Prequels is shown to be overly stuffy and bureaucratic, and it easily gets manipulated into becoming TheEmpire under EmergencyAuthority.
** Ironically, the Confederacy of Independent Systems in the prequels is almost entirely shown as being a big business-backed attempt to rule the galaxy in the name of profit, with all of the big names fully aware of this. It's only the planets that revolt against the Republic in hope of receiving Confederacy assistance that actually believe in the moral cause beyond lip service. (If this ever came to light, it may have been what resulted in the Rebellion being looked upon so unfavorably in later years.) Also the fact they are dominated by dissident nonhuman groups no doubt helped Imperial propaganda, which doubtless is all part of the evil plan.
* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': A historical exception to the "If the revolutionaries are wearing brown, they're the bad guys" which tells us a bit about the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies sorting algorithm of political ideologies]]: If you want the DirtyCommies to be the good guys, the bad guys pretty much have to be fascists.
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fascists. We still see them doing the old "[[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene line up soldiers to shoot them in the head]]" shtick that the fascist military was doing itself earlier.
** Not to mention that the rebels ''already'' lost the war; throughout the film, they're basically on a constant retreat.
* ''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'' subverts the usual roles of the evil Roman Empire and heroic rebels, as the various rebel factions [[WeAreStrugglingTogether spend too much time fighting each other]] to do anything about the Romans. "The Judean People's Front? Splitters!"
--> "All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
--> " Brought peace?"
--> "Oh, peace - shut up!"
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* ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin'' and any other Soviet depiction of the Russian Revolution. For obvious reasons, Western depictions (which are quite rare) never play this straight and will usually portray it as a FullCircleRevolution.

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* ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin'' and any other Soviet depiction of the Russian Revolution. For obvious reasons, Western depictions (which are quite rare) never play this straight and will usually portray it as a FullCircleRevolution.



* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' makes a caricature of the People's Republic of Haven at every opportunity. Its post-Revolution government is treated as more or less evil incarnate.
** The second revolution, however, gets treated much more sympathetically. Of course, the ringleaders had spent the books immediately preceding that event being quietly subversive and sympathetic.
** Since the political history of Haven is blatantly that of revolutionary France (the Robespierre analogue is even called Rob S. Pierre) this is heavily based on the behavior of the real-life Committee of Public Safety. And then things go OffTheRails with the Napoleon analog of the series.



* Usually averted in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse. Rebel movements are often very ambiguous and/or complex. For example, the Silgov in ''Literature/StarfleetCorpsOfEngineers'', though clearly victimized, are presented as questionable in some regards themselves, willing to victimize Koa in turn in order to get what they want. The X'Mari Resistance, meanwhile, are sympathetic, but clearly no saints. One of the best examples is in the novel ''Literature/DiplomaticImplausibility''. On taD, while the al'Hmatti are indeed victimized by Klingon oppression, at least one Klingon overseer is genuinely upset to discover an al'Hmatti he thought was a friend was a terrorist/freedom fighter. His distress when the al'Hmatti in question turns on him is portrayed with great sympathy. Both Klingon and al'Hmatti are treated with respect by the author throughout. Finally, the Nachri rebels are questionable in conduct, too, although their grievances may well be legitimate.
* Deconstructed in ''OneJustMan'', where the anti-hero deliberately sets out to wreck the criminal justice system on the assumption that whatever They are forced to replace it with Has To Be Better Than This, leading to a) the collapse of civil government under rampant crime and b) its apparent replacement by country-wide martial law.
* {{Subverted}} in ''Mockingjay'' several times, most notably when [[spoiler: the rebels fire-bomb Capitol children and their own medics in a FalseFlagOperation towards the end of the book]].



* Subverted in ''Literature/ShadowChildren'': The Tyrannical Population Police have cut down on rations and are forcing people to join. When [[TheHero Luke]] saves and gives a gun to some citizens, they shoot the officer in self-defense as the first act of the revolution. The second involves them going up to a truck driver and executing him because he worked for the government (which many people were doing because they would cut off rations if one didn't). The final book explores this, while some rebels, like Mr. Talbot's group and the kids, fight for equality and freedom, others, like Otto, fight so they can gain control of the government, and even absorbs some of the former leaders of the group into his new government. Publicly, the revolution is always portrayed as a positive force, even as the new government is clearly making a power play and manipulating the press back against the shadow children.



** Plays this trope straight. Not only is there the big resistance against President Clark, but Mars and Proxima 3 are also rebelling and generally seen as oppressed planets under the thumb of the increasingly fascist Earth Forces.

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** Plays this trope straight. Not only is there the big resistance against President Clark, but Mars and Proxima 3 are also rebelling and generally seen as oppressed planets under the thumb of the increasingly fascist Earth Forces.



** [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in 'The Power of Kroll'. While the human colonists are cold blooded and ruthless the natives are little better, threatening to murder the Doctor and Romana, as well as skewering the BigBad with graphically bloody results. The ending offers little hope for improvement, as the Doctor cheerfully encourages them and the sole surviving colonist on the base to peacefully work out their differences, a sentiment coldly shot down as they prowl around him and ominous music plays.



* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' initially seems to be subverting this trope, as the National Secessionist Forces (NSF) begin the game clearly portrayed as TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized, terrorists who blew up the Statue of Liberty and don't hesitate to threaten innocent civilians for their cause. As the game progresses, it turns out that the NSF [[spoiler: really are mostly heroic, and were framed for the bombings by an evil government conspiracy, while the hostage situations were desperation tactics from panicked individual grunts]].

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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' initially seems to be subverting this trope, as the ''VideoGame/DeusEx'': The National Secessionist Forces (NSF) begin the game clearly portrayed as TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized, terrorists who blew up the Statue of Liberty and don't hesitate to threaten innocent civilians for their cause. As the game progresses, it turns out that the NSF [[spoiler: really are mostly heroic, and were framed for the bombings by an evil government conspiracy, while the hostage situations were desperation tactics from panicked individual grunts]].



* Subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Starcraft|I}}'', where the Sons of Korhal rebel against TheEmpire, and eventually institute their own, equal or worse dictatorship in its place.
* Played straight in ''VideoGame/StarcraftII'', where Raynor's Raiders are trying to bring down the Dominion that they helped create in the first game.
** Though YMMV on whether this is this trope or ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Raynor's Raiders are exploiting the very real Zerg crisis, which has killed ''billions'' of people, in order to further their political cause while the main Dominion forces are busy trying to save humanity from Kerrigan. Their antics include unleashing a gigantic Mech of Mass Destruction on a rampage through a civilian city during a parade, and releasing some of the most violent psychopathic criminals loose on the sector.
*** Saving Humanity how? By leaving the Fringe World to fend for themselves as Mengsk pulls his forces to protect only the Core Worlds? Turning away refugees or killing them if they don't leave? Additionally, the release of the Specters may not necessarily equate to releasing psychopaths. Talking to Doctor Hansen reveals that there isn't anything psychologically wrong with them.
*** Depends on your interpretation, New Folsom criminals does not include just anti-Mengsk people, there could be some seriously genuine psychopaths/sociopaths that just happened to be rounded up by Mengsk. And there might be Specter candidates that do not volunteer Gabriel Tosh's Specter program and are instead let loose. However, as of the rest, it fits, Mengsk's scope of humanity is limited to 'people he can manipulate' and 'people he shows interest at', not 'everyone'.
** It would be more accurate to say that Raiders like [[KnightInShiningArmor Matt Horner]] and [[spoiler: [[TheGoodPrince Prince Valerian]]]] want this to be the case, ones like [[BloodKnight Tychus]] and [[TokenEvilTeammate Gabriel Tosh]] want [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized the opposite]], and [[TheChainsOfCommanding Raynor himself]] is [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stuck in the middle]].
* Also subverted in the first two ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' games, where the player character is part of a mercenary squadron fighting against the revolution.



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* Played with in ''VisualNovel/HatePlus''. Many of the log documents you read through are from the perspective of the ''Mugungwa's'' government, who ''are'' corrupt, ruthlessly suppressing dissent to maintain the status quo on the ship. But at the same time, they're trying to do what's in everyone's best interests, not just themselves, even if doing so involves crackdowns on democratic protests or introducing blatantly corrupt laws that allow them to maintain a virtual oligarchy-dictatorship.
** In the end, the revolution wins, and ends up regressing the ship's society to a totalitarian dictatorship even more brutal than the previous one.
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* Played with in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', where [[TheEmpire the Wulfenbach Empire]] is the only thing that prevents Europe from plunging into the total bloody anarchy of not long ago, but the rather sinister revolutionaries just have to put on a good show and people cheer for them, in large part ''because'' of this very trope.
** Well that and the fact that most of the ruling authorities are [[MadScientist power-crazed amoral lunatics who are equally likely to]] PetTheDog as they are to turn it into cheese ForScience probably doesn't help the dispositions of the common peasants said revolutionaries recruit from frequently.
*** Since said revolutionaries are just as likely if not more so than the current rulers to suffer from ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder, it's fair to say the common people are really faced with a choice of evil or...slightly less evil.
*** In Many cases the revolutionaries are the ruling authority that resent that the Empire won't let them go to war with their neighbors.
* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'', [[http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4252 Trike Girl obviously thinks she can pull this off.]]



* Inverted on ''WesternAnimation/ChallengeOfTheGoBots''. Gobotron was a democracy, and Cy-Kill's Renegades were a bunch of war-mongering thugs.



* Monkeywrenched on ''WesternAnimation/LibertysKids''. Although generally the American Revolution is portrayed as a good thing, the British and Loyalists are allowed to express their points of view and even look like the good guys on occasion, what with the Brits offering freedom to slaves and the Continentals, especially slaveholders like UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, refusing to do so. It even shows the colonists as ''actual bad guys'' at some points, especially considering the mob violence against the Loyalists and the privations the Native Peoples suffer in the war.
** Not that it justifies anything, but the Native Americans weren't exactly innocent themselves. Joseph Brant, to the show's credit, mentions that he fought on the side of the British and lost. He didn't like what happened, obviously, but he was not surprised by the results of his defeat.
11th Mar '17 2:38:54 PM nombretomado
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* In MichaelFlynn's ''Literature/SpiralArm'' novel ''On the Razor's Edge'', Gidula tells Donovan that his own attack, in his pre-amnesiac days as Padaborn, had killed many innocents, but they can stage a more effective one.
* Subverted in Literature/ShadowChildren: The Tyrannical Population Police have cut down on rations and are forcing people to join. When [[TheHero Luke]] saves and gives a gun to some citizens, they shoot the officer in self-defense as the first act of the revolution. The second involves them going up to a truck driver and executing him because he worked for the government (which many people were doing because they would cut off rations if one didn't). The final book explores this, while some rebels, like Mr. Talbot's group and the kids, fight for equality and freedom, others, like Otto, fight so they can gain control of the government, and even absorbs some of the former leaders of the group into his new government. Publicly, the revolution is always portrayed as a positive force, even as the new government is clearly making a power play and manipulating the press back against the shadow children.

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* In MichaelFlynn's Creator/MichaelFlynn's ''Literature/SpiralArm'' novel ''On the Razor's Edge'', Gidula tells Donovan that his own attack, in his pre-amnesiac days as Padaborn, had killed many innocents, but they can stage a more effective one.
* Subverted in Literature/ShadowChildren: ''Literature/ShadowChildren'': The Tyrannical Population Police have cut down on rations and are forcing people to join. When [[TheHero Luke]] saves and gives a gun to some citizens, they shoot the officer in self-defense as the first act of the revolution. The second involves them going up to a truck driver and executing him because he worked for the government (which many people were doing because they would cut off rations if one didn't). The final book explores this, while some rebels, like Mr. Talbot's group and the kids, fight for equality and freedom, others, like Otto, fight so they can gain control of the government, and even absorbs some of the former leaders of the group into his new government. Publicly, the revolution is always portrayed as a positive force, even as the new government is clearly making a power play and manipulating the press back against the shadow children.
10th Mar '17 5:09:40 PM UtterSedge
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* Film/WildWind has the good Communist partisans against the evil Nazis. The only partisan who disobeys orders and shoots the prisoners is put on trial and shot by his commander.
2nd Mar '17 10:30:16 AM BlackGryphon101
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** Though, in Roy's defense, it quickly becomes clear that most of the regular soldiers [[LockedOutOfTheLoop have no idea what their superiors are planning to do]] and are only doing what they truly and honestly believe to be the right thing.

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** Though, in Roy's defense, it quickly becomes clear that most of the regular soldiers [[LockedOutOfTheLoop have no idea what their superiors are planning to do]] and are only doing what they truly and honestly believe to be the right thing. And are severely ticked off when they find out the truth and ripped off their badges and threw them in the corrupt officers face. A lot of them have HeelRealizations after hearing Central commands plans and realizing that their families and friend will be among the dead.
25th Feb '17 11:37:32 AM nombretomado
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* Also subverted in the first two ''AceCombat'' games, where the player character is part of a mercenary squadron fighting against the revolution.
* Played with in ''YggdraUnion.'' Yggdra and her army are unambiguously good people who believe that they're doing the right thing. Yggdra's enemies, Gulcasa and ''his'' army, are exactly the same. Both characters are revolutionaries--Gulcasa overthrew his country's corrupt government via coup d'etat; Yggdra seeks to reclaim her country from Gulcasa's invasion--but Gulcasa is a WellIntentionedExtremist who believes he has to conquer the world to save the poor and weak, and Yggdra has been raised since birth to believe that she has an OmniscientMoralityLicense. [[KillEmAll The body count by the end of the game includes almost every character who isn't in Yggdra's army.]] [[WhatTheHellHero The narrative doesn't hesitate to call you out repeatedly.]]

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* Also subverted in the first two ''AceCombat'' ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' games, where the player character is part of a mercenary squadron fighting against the revolution.
* Played with in ''YggdraUnion.'' ''VideoGame/YggdraUnion''. Yggdra and her army are unambiguously good people who believe that they're doing the right thing. Yggdra's enemies, Gulcasa and ''his'' army, are exactly the same. Both characters are revolutionaries--Gulcasa overthrew his country's corrupt government via coup d'etat; Yggdra seeks to reclaim her country from Gulcasa's invasion--but Gulcasa is a WellIntentionedExtremist who believes he has to conquer the world to save the poor and weak, and Yggdra has been raised since birth to believe that she has an OmniscientMoralityLicense. [[KillEmAll The body count by the end of the game includes almost every character who isn't in Yggdra's army.]] [[WhatTheHellHero The narrative doesn't hesitate to call you out repeatedly.]]
26th Jan '17 6:25:09 PM Timjames98
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This isn't necessarily an unrealistic trope, as rebellions and revolutions almost never happen for no reason at all. They're usually the expression of real, preexisting problems and grievances, often founded on economic inequality or long-lasting cultural discrimination.

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This isn't necessarily an unrealistic trope, as rebellions and revolutions almost never happen for no reason at all. They're usually the expression of real, real (or at least perceived), preexisting problems and grievances, often founded on economic inequality or long-lasting cultural discrimination.



Contrast with TheRemnant and the DarkMessiah. See also the related and often confused trope of LaResistance. When the rebels are generally good but hampered by infighting, it's WeAreStrugglingTogether. For the opposite, see TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. For the case where the whole conflict really was "civilized" (for better or worse), see VelvetRevolution.

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Contrast with TheRemnant and the DarkMessiah. See also the related and often confused trope of LaResistance. When the rebels are generally good but hampered by infighting, it's WeAreStrugglingTogether. For the opposite, when the rebels are anti-heroes or outright villains, see TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. For the case where the whole conflict really was "civilized" (for better or worse), see VelvetRevolution.
1st Dec '16 8:32:11 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/TheCrimsonShadow'': The Eriadorans' rebellion is against an evil wizard king and his minions for their freedom. It's never once shown as anything except entirely justified and good.
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