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10th Feb '17 4:21:43 PM builderbobthe
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* In ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', the floating city of Columbia is controlled by Zachary Comstock and the Founders, xenophobic white-supremacists who brutally oppress all black, Irish, Chinese and Indian citizens within the city. Opposing them is the Vox Populi, made up largely of the people mistreated by the Founders [[WellIntentionedExtremist and led by Daisy Fitzroy]]. The Vox Populi's grievances are understandable, but they have degenerated into vicious marauders who mercilessly bully and butcher the citizens of the city. When the revolt gets underway, Booker and Elizabeth come across the aftermath of many a firing squad and towards the end, Fitzroy [[spoiler: even tries to kill Booker and Elizabeth (though Burial at Sea retcons this as her reluctantly following the orders of the Lutece twins).]]

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* In ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', the floating city of Columbia is controlled by Zachary Comstock and the Founders, xenophobic white-supremacists who brutally oppress all black, Irish, Chinese and Indian citizens within the city. Opposing them is the Vox Populi, made up largely of the people mistreated by the Founders [[WellIntentionedExtremist and led by Daisy Fitzroy]]. The Vox Populi's grievances are understandable, but they have degenerated into vicious marauders who mercilessly bully and butcher the citizens of the city. When the revolt gets underway, Booker and Elizabeth come across the aftermath of many a firing squad and towards the end, Fitzroy [[spoiler: even tries to kill Booker and Elizabeth (though Burial at Sea retcons this as her reluctantly following the orders of the Lutece twins).Elizabeth.]]



* ''The Pitt'' DLC for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' has an overarching theme of GrayAndGreyMorality, exemplified in the struggle between Ashur's brutal slave regime trying to engineer a cure for the mutations plaguing the place, and Wernher's rebellion who want to just as brutally take the cure by force. [[spoiler: Also, the cure is a baby. [[KickTheDog Which you]] [[MoralEventHorizon can]] [[ImAHumanitarian eat]]]].

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* ''The Pitt'' DLC for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' has an overarching theme of GrayAndGreyMorality, exemplified in the struggle between Ashur's brutal slave regime trying to engineer a cure for the mutations plaguing the place, and Wernher's rebellion who want to just as brutally take the cure by force. [[spoiler: Also, the cure is a baby. [[KickTheDog Which you]] [[MoralEventHorizon can]] [[ImAHumanitarian eat]]]].]].
27th Jan '17 9:42:08 PM H2SO4
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** Jet's Freedom Fighters are not a particularly nice bunch. Despite being a charming group of kids who initially help out Team Avatar, they're actually willing to do pretty terrible things to wipe out the Fire Nation. At one point, they attempt to flood a town filled with innocent civilians, simply because the Fire Nation was occupying it. To their credit, the group realizes their mistake and makes a HeelFaceTurn shortly after the flooding fiasco. Despite [[TheAtoner efforts to do the same]], Jet himself ends up stuck in the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, though he eventually ends up on the right side.

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** Jet's Freedom Fighters are not a particularly nice bunch. Despite being a charming group of kids who initially help out Team Avatar, they're actually willing to do pretty terrible things to wipe out the Fire Nation. At one point, they attempt to flood a town filled with innocent civilians, simply because the Fire Nation was occupying it. To their credit, the group realizes their mistake and makes a HeelFaceTurn shortly after the flooding fiasco. Despite [[TheAtoner efforts to do the same]], Jet himself ends up stuck in the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, though he eventually ends up on the right side.side, yet his whole movement eventually fell apart.
11th Jan '17 6:05:24 PM nombretomado
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* The French Revolution in ''LookToTheWest'' starts out being as violent as our history's...and never really calms down. In the long term this has the effect of forcing nearly all reformist movements to be more nonviolent by default, just to avoid the comparison.

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* The French Revolution in ''LookToTheWest'' ''Literature/LookToTheWest'' starts out being as violent as our history's...and never really calms down. In the long term this has the effect of forcing nearly all reformist movements to be more nonviolent by default, just to avoid the comparison.
31st Dec '16 9:22:40 PM nombretomado
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* The Takers in ''[[{{Geneforge}} Geneforge 2]]'' (and to a lesser extent in ''Geneforge 1'' as well). Then a fair chunk of the rebellion (especially the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent drakons]]) in ''Geneforge 3''-''5''.

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* The Takers in ''[[{{Geneforge}} ''[[VideoGame/{{Geneforge}} Geneforge 2]]'' (and to a lesser extent in ''Geneforge 1'' as well). Then a fair chunk of the rebellion (especially the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent drakons]]) in ''Geneforge 3''-''5''.
28th Dec '16 3:59:59 AM Xaxk
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* ''Film/{{Reds}}'': DiscussedTrope with regards to UsefulNotes/RedOctober. Emma Goldman feels the Bolsheviks have become so murderous that they are no longer worth supporting. John Reed responds by accusing Goldman of having an unrealistically idealized view of revolution, that revolution requires terror and blood.
* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla'' Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.
--> '''Pancho''' (to Madero): You can't win a revolution with love. You've got to have hate. You are the good side; I am the bad side.
* The rebels in ''Film/ProofOfLife'' most certainly count. After they stopped receiving foreign monetary aid for the revolution, the guerillas turned into farming coca plants and kidnapping and ransoming important foreigners. They also have little qualms about shooting civilians or police officers.
* The workers in Creator/FritzLang's ''Film/{{Metropolis}}'' are somewhere between this and an [[TorchesAndPitchforks Angry Mob]].
* ''Film/TheWindThatShakesTheBarley'', starring Creator/CillianMurphy, won the Palme d'Or award for its application of this trope to the Irish Revolution (and then the [[WeAreStrugglingTogether Civil War]]), so it must have done something right. [[note]]In RealLife, when the War of Independence ended, a significant amount of the next decade was spent by the new Irish government trying to get rid of the IRA, since they had been fighting for independence of the entire island, which the Free State government traded away, with the South becoming self-governing and then (with the Republic of Ireland in 1949) fully independent by itself. The Civil War (which is the worst things got) began when partition occurred under the Anglo-Irish Treaty, setting up the Free State government in the South. Much of the IRA became the Free State Army, while the rest rebelled, refusing to accept the referendum ratifying the treaty, seeking to unify all of Ireland.[[/note]]
* The AlternateHistory film ''Film/ItHappenedHere'', set in a [[DayOfTheJackboot Nazi-occupied Britain]], deliberately subverts the gallant resistance trope. The protagonist witnesses the death of her friends in a shootout between local partisans and German soldiers, and the movie ends with prisoners from a British SS unit being massacred by their captors.
* {{Discussed}} in ''Film/LordOfWar'':
-->'''Yuri''': "I guess they [African militants] can't own up to what they usually are: a federation of worse oppressors than the last bunch of oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves freedom-fighters."
* The anti-government resistance group, the Fishes, quickly turn into this in ''Film/ChildrenOfMen'' when the more radical Luke hijacks the organization, after assassinating his predecessor.
* ''Film/TheBattleOfAlgiers'', where we see bombings and shootings directed at civilians...on both sides.
* ''Film/RedDawn1984'' has the protagonists (American teenagers [[LaResistance fighting a guerrilla campaign against a]] [[DirtyCommunists brutal Soviet occupation]]) shooting prisoners and enemy wounded.



* In ''Film/TheBaaderMeinhofComplex'', the Red Army Faction morphs into this trope over time. They start as a motley collection of political activists, juvenile delinquents, left-wing youths, and journalists who mainly participate in protests and rallies and undertake some occasional arson and vandalism with a political message. Eventually, they become brutal terrorists, robbing banks and bombing American military installations. Later "generations" of the group get progressively more radical and violent, taking and executing hostages, hijacking aircraft, bombing a newspaper, and kidnapping and assassinating public figures.
* ''Film/TheBattleOfAlgiers'', where we see bombings and shootings directed at civilians...on both sides.



* In ''Film/TronLegacy'', Clu's revolution against Flynn's leadership kicks off with the [[spoiler: genocide of the Isos]], followed by establishing a police state that routinely "rectifies" delinquent programs into soldiers in Clu's army, or pits them in gladiatorial games to the [[strike: death]] deresolution.
* In ''Film/TheBaaderMeinhofComplex'', the Red Army Faction morphs into this trope over time. They start as a motley collection of political activists, juvenile delinquents, left-wing youths, and journalists who mainly participate in protests and rallies and undertake some occasional arson and vandalism with a political message. Eventually, they become brutal terrorists, robbing banks and bombing American military installations. Later "generations" of the group get progressively more radical and violent, taking and executing hostages, hijacking aircraft, bombing a newspaper, and kidnapping and assassinating public figures.
* In contrast to the rebels of the later films, the Separatists in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels are almost entirely shown as being evil. Their rebellion against the republic is little more than a big business backed attempt to rule the galaxy in the name of profit, with all of the big names fully aware of this. Being controlled by a [[EvilOverlord sith lord]] and a [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul homicidal cyborg]] certainly didn't help their causes reputation either. It's only the planets that revolt against the Republic in hope of receiving Confederacy assistance that actually believe in the moral cause beyond lip service.
** The Rebel Alliance itself is actually aware of this trope according to [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]]; it specifically does not permit this kind of behavior from its cells, lest the Imperial propaganda painting Rebels as iconoclasts and destructive terrorists start to actually ring true with the general public.
** In ''Film/RogueOne'' the Alliance cut ties with Saw Gerrera and his resistance group because they became too brutal and caused too much collateral damage. On Jedha, Gerrera's men attack an Imperial convoy in the middle of a crowded neighborhood and cause a lot of civilian deaths. Gerrera is also willing to use MindRape on prisoners to extract information. We also see that the main Alliance leadership is not above fighting a dirty war when necessary. Cassian kills a fellow rebel rather than allow the guy to be captured by Imperials and be interrogated. Rogue One is formed from a group of Alliance commandos, spies, saboteurs and assassins who have grown tiered of doing the Rebellion's dirty work.
* Raza and his revolutionaries in ''Film/TheProfessionals''. Although the heroes have some sympathy for Raza's cause, we are still shown Raza's forces massacring the troops on the government train they capture.
* The Bolsheviks in ''Film/DoctorZhivago''.
* Franco's revolutionaries in ''Film/PansLabyrinth''.

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* In ''Film/TronLegacy'', Clu's revolution against Flynn's leadership kicks off with The anti-government resistance group, the [[spoiler: genocide of the Isos]], followed by establishing a police state that routinely "rectifies" delinquent programs into soldiers in Clu's army, or pits them in gladiatorial games to the [[strike: death]] deresolution.
* In ''Film/TheBaaderMeinhofComplex'', the Red Army Faction morphs
Fishes, quickly turn into this trope over time. They start as a motley collection of political activists, juvenile delinquents, left-wing youths, and journalists who mainly participate in protests and rallies and undertake some occasional arson and vandalism with a political message. Eventually, they become brutal terrorists, robbing banks and bombing American military installations. Later "generations" of ''Film/ChildrenOfMen'' when the group get progressively more radical and violent, taking and executing hostages, hijacking aircraft, bombing a newspaper, and kidnapping and Luke hijacks the organization, after assassinating public figures.
* In contrast to the rebels of the later films, the Separatists in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels are almost entirely shown as being evil. Their rebellion against the republic is little more than a big business backed attempt to rule the galaxy in the name of profit, with all of the big names fully aware of this. Being controlled by a [[EvilOverlord sith lord]] and a [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul homicidal cyborg]] certainly didn't help their causes reputation either. It's only the planets that revolt against the Republic in hope of receiving Confederacy assistance that actually believe in the moral cause beyond lip service.
** The Rebel Alliance itself is actually aware of this trope according to [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]]; it specifically does not permit this kind of behavior from its cells, lest the Imperial propaganda painting Rebels as iconoclasts and destructive terrorists start to actually ring true with the general public.
** In ''Film/RogueOne'' the Alliance cut ties with Saw Gerrera and
his resistance group because they became too brutal and caused too much collateral damage. On Jedha, Gerrera's men attack an Imperial convoy in the middle of a crowded neighborhood and cause a lot of civilian deaths. Gerrera is also willing to use MindRape on prisoners to extract information. We also see that the main Alliance leadership is not above fighting a dirty war when necessary. Cassian kills a fellow rebel rather than allow the guy to be captured by Imperials and be interrogated. Rogue One is formed from a group of Alliance commandos, spies, saboteurs and assassins who have grown tiered of doing the Rebellion's dirty work.
* Raza and his revolutionaries in ''Film/TheProfessionals''. Although the heroes have some sympathy for Raza's cause, we are still shown Raza's forces massacring the troops on the government train they capture.
* The Bolsheviks in ''Film/DoctorZhivago''.
* Franco's revolutionaries in ''Film/PansLabyrinth''.
predecessor.



* In ''Film/{{Utu}}'' both the Maori rebels and their British oppressors become increasingly brutal as the war drags on.
* In ''Film/ToKillADragon'', after the Dragon is slain, the city descends into anarchy, so rape, robbery and senseless violence ensue.
* The coup in ''Film/NoEscape'' is violent, bloody, and not only involves civilians but actively targets them.

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* In ''Film/{{Utu}}'' both ''Film/DecemberHeat'' the Maori communist revolutionaries kill a lot of unarmed soldiers and 'bourgeois'. Some conversations point out that most of the revolutionaries are doing it to secure themselves better positions under the new rule.
* The Bolsheviks in ''Film/DoctorZhivago''.
* The Danish film FlameAndCitron (2008). The title characters are assassins for the Danish resistance, but find their superior is using them to kill people to cover up for his own crimes.
* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once the
rebels and take the fight to the Capital, you can see their British oppressors tactics become increasingly more brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, when President Snow offers to open his mansion as a refugee camp, the war drags on.
* In ''Film/ToKillADragon'', after
rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the Dragon is slain, the city descends into anarchy, so rape, robbery fact that actual refugees and senseless violence ensue.
* The coup in ''Film/NoEscape'' is violent, bloody, and not only involves
civilians but actively targets them.are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help that [[spoiler:President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children. Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing in on itself]].
* The AlternateHistory film ''Film/ItHappenedHere'', set in a [[DayOfTheJackboot Nazi-occupied Britain]], deliberately subverts the gallant resistance trope. The protagonist witnesses the death of her friends in a shootout between local partisans and German soldiers, and the movie ends with prisoners from a British SS unit being massacred by their captors.



* The Danish film Flame And Citron (2008). The title characters are assassins for the Danish resistance, but find their superior is using them to kill people to cover up for his own crimes.
* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once the rebels take the fight to the Capital, you can see their tactics become more brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, when President Snow offers to open his mansion as a refugee camp, the rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the fact that actual refugees and civilians are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help that [[spoiler:President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children. Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing in on itself]].

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* {{Discussed}} in ''Film/LordOfWar'':
-->'''Yuri''': "I guess they [African militants] can't own up to what they usually are: a federation of worse oppressors than the last bunch of oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves freedom-fighters."
* The Danish film Flame And Citron (2008). workers in Creator/FritzLang's ''Film/{{Metropolis}}'' are somewhere between this and an [[TorchesAndPitchforks Angry Mob]].
*
The title characters are assassins coup in ''Film/NoEscape'' is violent, bloody, and not only involves civilians but actively targets them.
* The rebels in ''Film/ProofOfLife'' most certainly count. After they stopped receiving foreign monetary aid
for the Danish resistance, but find their superior is using them to kill people to cover up revolution, the guerillas turned into farming coca plants and kidnapping and ransoming important foreigners. They also have little qualms about shooting civilians or police officers.
* Franco's revolutionaries in ''Film/PansLabyrinth''.
* Raza and his revolutionaries in ''Film/TheProfessionals''. Although the heroes have some sympathy
for his own crimes.
Raza's cause, we are still shown Raza's forces massacring the troops on the government train they capture.
* ''Film/RedDawn1984'' has the protagonists (American teenagers [[LaResistance fighting a guerrilla campaign against a]] [[DirtyCommunists brutal Soviet occupation]]) shooting prisoners and enemy wounded.
* ''Film/{{Reds}}'': DiscussedTrope with regards to UsefulNotes/RedOctober. Emma Goldman feels the Bolsheviks have become so murderous that they are no longer worth supporting. John Reed responds by accusing Goldman of having an unrealistically idealized view of revolution, that revolution requires terror and blood.
* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once contrast to the rebels take of the fight to later films, the Capital, you can see Separatists in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels are almost entirely shown as being evil. Their rebellion against the republic is little more than a big business backed attempt to rule the galaxy in the name of profit, with all of the big names fully aware of this. Being controlled by a [[EvilOverlord sith lord]] and a [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul homicidal cyborg]] certainly didn't help their tactics become more causes reputation either. It's only the planets that revolt against the Republic in hope of receiving Confederacy assistance that actually believe in the moral cause beyond lip service.
** The Rebel Alliance itself is actually aware of this trope according to [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]]; it specifically does not permit this kind of behavior from its cells, lest the Imperial propaganda painting Rebels as iconoclasts and destructive terrorists start to actually ring true with the general public.
** In ''Film/RogueOne'' the Alliance cut ties with Saw Gerrera and his resistance group because they became too
brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, caused too much collateral damage. On Jedha, Gerrera's men attack an Imperial convoy in the middle of a crowded neighborhood and cause a lot of civilian deaths. Gerrera is also willing to use MindRape on prisoners to extract information. We also see that the main Alliance leadership is not above fighting a dirty war when President Snow offers to open his mansion as necessary. Cassian kills a refugee camp, fellow rebel rather than allow the guy to be captured by Imperials and be interrogated. Rogue One is formed from a group of Alliance commandos, spies, saboteurs and assassins who have grown tiered of doing the Rebellion's dirty work.
* In ''Film/TronLegacy'', Clu's revolution against Flynn's leadership kicks off with the [[spoiler: genocide of the Isos]], followed by establishing a police state that routinely "rectifies" delinquent programs into soldiers in Clu's army, or pits them in gladiatorial games to the [[strike: death]] deresolution.
* In ''Film/ToKillADragon'', after the Dragon is slain, the city descends into anarchy, so rape, robbery and senseless violence ensue.
* In ''Film/{{Utu}}'' both the Maori
rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the fact that actual refugees and civilians are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help British oppressors become increasingly brutal as the war drags on.
* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla'' Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying
that [[spoiler:President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children. Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in on itself]].an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.
--> '''Pancho''' (to Madero): You can't win a revolution with love. You've got to have hate. You are the good side; I am the bad side.
* ''Film/TheWindThatShakesTheBarley'', starring Creator/CillianMurphy, won the Palme d'Or award for its application of this trope to the Irish Revolution (and then the [[WeAreStrugglingTogether Civil War]]), so it must have done something right. [[note]]In RealLife, when the War of Independence ended, a significant amount of the next decade was spent by the new Irish government trying to get rid of the IRA, since they had been fighting for independence of the entire island, which the Free State government traded away, with the South becoming self-governing and then (with the Republic of Ireland in 1949) fully independent by itself. The Civil War (which is the worst things got) began when partition occurred under the Anglo-Irish Treaty, setting up the Free State government in the South. Much of the IRA became the Free State Army, while the rest rebelled, refusing to accept the referendum ratifying the treaty, seeking to unify all of Ireland.[[/note]]
27th Dec '16 12:43:09 PM nielas
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** In ''Film/RogueOne'' the Alliance cut ties with Saw Gerrera and his resistance group because they became too brutal and caused too much collateral damage. On Jedha, Gerrera's men attack an Imperial convoy in the middle of a crowded neighborhood and cause a lot of civilian deaths. Gerrera is also willing to use MindRape on prisoners to extract information. We also see that the main Alliance leadership is not above fighting a dirty war when necessary. Cassian kills a fellow rebel rather than allow the guy to be captured by Imperials and be interrogated. Rogue One is formed from a group of Alliance commandos, spies, saboteurs and assassins who have grown tiered of doing the Rebellion's dirty work.
17th Dec '16 8:53:07 AM Rhodes7
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* The heroes of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' massacre liberal intellectuals, burn heretics at the stake, deport most Hispanics and hang Blacks for any violent or drug-related crime, deter a bombing campaign through liberal use of hostages and human shields, kidnap government officials who disagree with them, demolish buildings that don't fit their preferred Old World aesthetic and at one point, nuke a major city. For all that, they're still one of the ''nicer'' US successor states.
25th Nov '16 8:24:16 PM JulianLapostat
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If you fall, another might rise to take your place, but don't expect your comrades-in-arms to mourn. You were dead already the moment you put on the rebel uniform. Remember that FailureIsTheOnlyOption, and whatever you do, DoNotGoGentle. If you are caught, you are on your own. You never existed. This is war, and people do things during war that can never, and should never be forgiven. Do you know whose side you are on now?

Can lead to a [[ReignOfTerror violent ideological backlash]] against supporters of the old regime, [[TruthInTelevision as seen in history]]. But more importantly -- more important because of the {{irony}} involved -- it can lead to HeWhoFightsMonsters (i.e. the revolutionaries' brutality is no better than the Empire's) and also to violence against some of the revolutionaries themselves, often valiant leaders and close friends of near past, as in the most famous case of Georges Danton and Camille Desmoulins guillotined by orders of [[UsefulNotes/MaximilienRobespierre Robespierre]] and his Jacobins during the [[RealLife actual]] ReignOfTerror. Robespierre tasted his own concoction later as of the Thermidorian Reaction. The reasons and debate on whether revolutions have to be, or inevitably will be un-civilized are quite complex and a subject of study by many historians. Most revolutions do not happen in a vacuum of ideological freedom. Luck, chance and {{Realpolitik}} play a major role, and even the most severe revolutionaries like Che Guevara, Trotsky or even Robespierre did not start out as politically radical to begin with, rather they radicalized as a result of circumstances and existing pressures. And of course, even if a Revolution is successful, TheRemnant of the earlier regime might decide to foment allies from neighbouring nations who also feel that the BalanceOfPower is becoming upset, and the existing revolution is creating a bad example for their own people. The end result can be that a revolution on behalf of the people ends up becoming a power-play between governments of two nations, neither of them really have the best interests of the people on the ground.

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If you fall, another might rise to take your place, but don't expect your comrades-in-arms to mourn. You were dead already the moment you put on the rebel uniform. Remember that FailureIsTheOnlyOption, and whatever you do, DoNotGoGentle. If you are caught, you are on your own. You never existed. This is war, and people do things during war that can never, and should never be forgiven. Do you know whose side you are on now?

now? Can lead to a [[ReignOfTerror violent ideological backlash]] against supporters of the old regime, [[TruthInTelevision as seen in history]]. But more importantly -- more important because of the {{irony}} involved -- it can lead to HeWhoFightsMonsters (i.e. the revolutionaries' brutality is no better than the Empire's) and also to violence against some of the revolutionaries themselves, often valiant leaders and close friends of near past, as in the most famous case of Georges Danton and Camille Desmoulins guillotined by orders of [[UsefulNotes/MaximilienRobespierre Robespierre]] and his Jacobins during the [[RealLife actual]] ReignOfTerror. Robespierre tasted his own concoction later as of the Thermidorian Reaction. Reaction.

The reasons and debate on whether revolutions have to be, or inevitably will be un-civilized are quite complex and a subject of study by many historians. Most revolutions do not happen in a vacuum of ideological freedom. Luck, chance and {{Realpolitik}} play a major role, and even the most severe revolutionaries like Che Guevara, Trotsky UsefulNotes/CheGuevara, UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky or even Robespierre did not start out as politically radical to begin with, rather they radicalized as a result of circumstances and existing pressures. And of course, even if a Revolution is successful, TheRemnant of the earlier regime might decide to foment allies from neighbouring nations who also feel that the BalanceOfPower is becoming upset, and the existing revolution is creating a bad example for their own people. The end result can be that a revolution on behalf of the people ends up becoming a power-play between governments of two nations, neither of them really have the best interests of the people on the ground.
20th Nov '16 7:27:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes,]]'' show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.

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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries [[Literature/TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes,]]'' show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.
19th Nov '16 1:26:59 AM DimensionalShambler
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* VideoGame/{{Brigador}} has two factions rising up against the brutal dictatorship that lorded over the third-world planet of the game - the "Solo Nobre Concern", a collection of {{Mega Corp}}s that fight against the Loyalist government so they can establish their hypercapitalist regime, and the Corvids, a far-left collection of radical collectivists, anarchists, and other far-left philosophies that use suicide bombers disguised as civilians and civilian centers as {{human shield}}s.

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* VideoGame/{{Brigador}} has two factions rising up against the brutal dictatorship that lorded over the third-world planet of the game - the "Solo Nobre Concern", a collection of {{Mega Corp}}s that fight against the Loyalist government so they can establish their hypercapitalist regime, and pay their mercenaries to destroy property and kill civilians, and the Corvids, a far-left collection of radical collectivists, anarchists, and other far-left philosophies that use suicide bombers disguised as civilians and civilian centers as {{human shield}}s.shield}}s. Both sides rampage through populated cities with glee
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