History Main / TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized

28th Aug '16 11:56:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/UnsereMuetterUnsereVaeter'': In this German drama, between the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Germans]], [[RedsWithRockets Soviets]], and [[LaResistance Polish Resistance]], the latter are usually the best of a bad lot, but are not above a bit of pillage or anti-semitism. This is exemplified when they ambush a train bound for Auschwitz and loot it for weapons, but are prepared to leave the prisoners in the cattle cars to their fate.

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* ''Series/UnsereMuetterUnsereVaeter'': In this German drama, between the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Germans]], [[RedsWithRockets [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets Soviets]], and [[LaResistance Polish Resistance]], the latter are usually the best of a bad lot, but are not above a bit of pillage or anti-semitism. This is exemplified when they ambush a train bound for Auschwitz and loot it for weapons, but are prepared to leave the prisoners in the cattle cars to their fate.
17th Aug '16 10:52:47 AM Anddrix
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* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once the rebels take the fight to the Capital, you can see their tactics become more brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, when President Snow offers to open his mansion as a refugee camp, the rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the fact that actual refugees and civilians are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help that [[spoiler:President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children. Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing in on itself]].
15th Aug '16 2:07:00 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', there are secessionists, known as Insurrectionists, who want to break off from the UNSC (they mostly appear in ExpandedUniverse material, outside of a few brief appearances in ''VideoGame/HaloWars'' multiplayer and a few in-game mentions from ''VideoGame/HaloReach''onward ). At the beginning of their campaign, they were viewed sympathetically, as all they wanted was their independence. This view largely ended when they began killing people (most infamously when one group deliberately nuked the Haven [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology arcology]], killing two million civilians and injuring 8.3 million), and now they're squarely in this trope.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', there are secessionists, known as Insurrectionists, who want to break off from the UNSC (they mostly appear in ExpandedUniverse material, outside of a few brief appearances in ''VideoGame/HaloWars'' multiplayer and a few in-game mentions from ''VideoGame/HaloReach''onward ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' onward ). At the beginning of their campaign, they were viewed sympathetically, as all they wanted was their independence. This view largely ended when they began killing people (most infamously when one group deliberately nuked the Haven [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology arcology]], killing two million civilians and injuring 8.3 million), and now they're squarely in this trope.
10th Aug '16 9:11:39 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', there are secessionists who want to break off from the UNSC (they mostly appear in ExpandedUniverse material, outside of a few brief appearances in ''VideoGame/HaloWars'' multiplayer and a few mentions in ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' and ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}''). At the beginning of their campaign, they were viewed sympathetically, as all they wanted was their independence. This view largely ended when they began killing people (most infamously when one group deliberately nuked the Haven [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology arcology]], killing two million civilians and injuring 8.3 million), and now they're squarely in this trope.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', there are secessionists secessionists, known as Insurrectionists, who want to break off from the UNSC (they mostly appear in ExpandedUniverse material, outside of a few brief appearances in ''VideoGame/HaloWars'' multiplayer and a few in-game mentions in ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' and ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'').from ''VideoGame/HaloReach''onward ). At the beginning of their campaign, they were viewed sympathetically, as all they wanted was their independence. This view largely ended when they began killing people (most infamously when one group deliberately nuked the Haven [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology arcology]], killing two million civilians and injuring 8.3 million), and now they're squarely in this trope.
14th Jul '16 12:33:31 AM PaulA
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** His play ''Theatre/TheGoodPersonOfSzechwan'' has a protagonist Shen Te invent a violent AlterEgo Shui Ta to protect herself from exploitation and harm. Shen Te is normally pacifist and meek, Shui Ta is not. Shui Ta finally says, in typically pithy Brecht-style:

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** His play ''Theatre/TheGoodPersonOfSzechwan'' has a protagonist Shen Te invent a violent AlterEgo alter ego Shui Ta to protect herself from exploitation and harm. Shen Te is normally pacifist and meek, Shui Ta is not. Shui Ta finally says, in typically pithy Brecht-style:
2nd Jul '16 4:47:08 AM JackG
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* The Danish film Flame And Citron (2008). The title characters are assassins for the Danish resistance, but find their superior is using them to kill people to cover up for his own crimes.
1st Jul '16 5:13:39 AM PRH
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The title of this article is a pun on Music/TheRevolutionWillNotBeTelevised by Music/GilScottHeron, in case you didn't know.

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The title of this article is a pun on Music/TheRevolutionWillNotBeTelevised by Music/GilScottHeron, in case you didn't know.
Music/GilScottHeron.
26th Jun '16 9:12:34 PM PaulA
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** ''Demons'' argues that violence is a tool of binding revolutionaries together in a single unit, since everyone is equally dehumanized and guilty, and moulded on the path to discipline. The revolutionaries in the book are so obsessed with this form of discipline that they never think of actual political ideology. So they become corrupt and abusive, led by Pyotr Verkhovensky, their ideologist who preaches about the necessity of wiping out millions of people for the victory of the revolution and finally kills [[spoiler: one of his own cell members at the suspicion that he could be TheMole. Likewise, the original ideologist of the group, Nikolai Stavrogin who they all believe to be a ByronicHero is in fact a self-destructive nihilist reeling from guilt at the time he raped a little girl.]] What is even worse, the leader of this group has a prototype from real life - Sergey Nechaev, one of the most infamous Russian terrorists of that time.

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** ''Demons'' ''Literature/{{Demons}}'' argues that violence is a tool of binding revolutionaries together in a single unit, since everyone is equally dehumanized and guilty, and moulded on the path to discipline. The revolutionaries in the book are so obsessed with this form of discipline that they never think of actual political ideology. So they become corrupt and abusive, led by Pyotr Verkhovensky, their ideologist who preaches about the necessity of wiping out millions of people for the victory of the revolution and finally kills [[spoiler: one [[spoiler:one of his own cell members at the suspicion that he could be TheMole. Likewise, the original ideologist of the group, Nikolai Stavrogin who they all believe to be a ByronicHero is in fact a self-destructive nihilist reeling from guilt at the time he raped a little girl.]] girl]]. What is even worse, the leader of this group has a prototype from real life - -- Sergey Nechaev, one of the most infamous Russian terrorists of that time.
2nd Jun '16 6:42:31 PM WillKeaton
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* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla''. Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.

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* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla''. ''Film/VivaVilla'' Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.
2nd Jun '16 6:42:12 PM WillKeaton
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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes]]'', show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.

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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes]]'', Heroes,]]'' show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.
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