History Main / TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized

26th Jun '16 9:12:34 PM PaulA
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** ''Demons'' argues that violence is a tool of binding revolutionaries together in a single unit, since everyone is equally dehumanized and guilty, and moulded on the path to discipline. The revolutionaries in the book are so obsessed with this form of discipline that they never think of actual political ideology. So they become corrupt and abusive, led by Pyotr Verkhovensky, their ideologist who preaches about the necessity of wiping out millions of people for the victory of the revolution and finally kills [[spoiler: one of his own cell members at the suspicion that he could be TheMole. Likewise, the original ideologist of the group, Nikolai Stavrogin who they all believe to be a ByronicHero is in fact a self-destructive nihilist reeling from guilt at the time he raped a little girl.]] What is even worse, the leader of this group has a prototype from real life - Sergey Nechaev, one of the most infamous Russian terrorists of that time.

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** ''Demons'' ''Literature/{{Demons}}'' argues that violence is a tool of binding revolutionaries together in a single unit, since everyone is equally dehumanized and guilty, and moulded on the path to discipline. The revolutionaries in the book are so obsessed with this form of discipline that they never think of actual political ideology. So they become corrupt and abusive, led by Pyotr Verkhovensky, their ideologist who preaches about the necessity of wiping out millions of people for the victory of the revolution and finally kills [[spoiler: one [[spoiler:one of his own cell members at the suspicion that he could be TheMole. Likewise, the original ideologist of the group, Nikolai Stavrogin who they all believe to be a ByronicHero is in fact a self-destructive nihilist reeling from guilt at the time he raped a little girl.]] girl]]. What is even worse, the leader of this group has a prototype from real life - -- Sergey Nechaev, one of the most infamous Russian terrorists of that time.
2nd Jun '16 6:42:31 PM WillKeaton
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* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla''. Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.

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* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla''. ''Film/VivaVilla'' Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.
2nd Jun '16 6:42:12 PM WillKeaton
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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes]]'', show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.

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* Technomad's two [[TheTomorrowSeries Tomorrow Series]] fics, ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8361242/1/Taking-Care-of-Business Taking Care of Business]]'' and ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7102832/1/Ellie-s-Heroes Ellie's Heroes]]'', Heroes,]]'' show Ellie Linton and her friends as considerably DarkerAndEdgier than they were in canon.
31st May '16 11:29:11 PM Meltemi
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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' features the Committee of Public Safety led by Rob S. Pierre. Rather similar to their primary [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] inspiration, the original [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution Committee of Public Safety]] under [[Expy Robespierre]], it begins its reign with a [[ThePurge massive purge]] of the fighting arm of the fleet and political figures with actual or potential ties to the previous regime. This serves in cementing their power base by undercutting the primary lines of opposition, but at a tremendous cost in blood. They then went one step further beyond that and established not only [[ThePoliticalOfficer a separate branch of political commissars]] to ensure the loyalty of the People's Navy, but also a [[YouHaveFailedMe policy of shooting any commanders who lose]].

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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' features the Committee of Public Safety led by Rob S. Pierre. Rather similar to their primary [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] inspiration, the original [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution Committee of Public Safety]] under [[Expy [[{{Expy}} Robespierre]], it begins its reign with a [[ThePurge massive purge]] of the fighting arm of the fleet and political figures with actual or potential ties to the previous regime. This serves in cementing their power base by undercutting the primary lines of opposition, but at a tremendous cost in blood. They then went one step further beyond that and established not only [[ThePoliticalOfficer a separate branch of political commissars]] to ensure the loyalty of the People's Navy, but also a [[YouHaveFailedMe policy of shooting any commanders who lose]].
31st May '16 11:27:54 PM Meltemi
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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' features the Committee of Public Safety led by Rob S. Pierre.

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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' features the Committee of Public Safety led by Rob S. Pierre. Rather similar to their primary [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] inspiration, the original [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution Committee of Public Safety]] under [[Expy Robespierre]], it begins its reign with a [[ThePurge massive purge]] of the fighting arm of the fleet and political figures with actual or potential ties to the previous regime. This serves in cementing their power base by undercutting the primary lines of opposition, but at a tremendous cost in blood. They then went one step further beyond that and established not only [[ThePoliticalOfficer a separate branch of political commissars]] to ensure the loyalty of the People's Navy, but also a [[YouHaveFailedMe policy of shooting any commanders who lose]].
11th Apr '16 12:14:31 PM Morgenthaler
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* A major story arc in the MalazanBookOfTheFallen is [[OperationBlank The Whirlwind]], continent-wide rebellion in the culturally diverse Seven Cities. It is an affair of [[WarIsHell extreme brutality]] that is soon revealed to be an [[GambitPileup organizational clusterfuck]].

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* A major story arc in the MalazanBookOfTheFallen ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' is [[OperationBlank The Whirlwind]], continent-wide rebellion in the culturally diverse Seven Cities. It is an affair of [[WarIsHell extreme brutality]] that is soon revealed to be an [[GambitPileup organizational clusterfuck]].
2nd Apr '16 12:14:42 PM Joysweeper
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* Invoked by characters pulling the strings in ''VideoGame/AviaryAttorney''. The RebelLeader is angry but inclined towards justice, fairness, and nonviolence, and the revolutionaries tend to listen to her. But certain of her people believe that a civilized transfer of power won't lead to ''them'' getting power and go to [[FalseFlagOperation very]] [[InTheBack gory]] [[ThanatosGambit lengths]] to rile up her and the police and turn the revolution bloody.
18th Mar '16 8:35:12 AM 20person
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* ''The Pitt'' DLC for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' has an overarching theme of GrayAndGreyMorality, exemplified in the struggle between Ashur's brutal slave regime trying to engineer a cure for the mutations plaguing the place, and Wernher's rebellion who want to just as brutally take the cure by force. [[spoiler: Also, the cure is a baby.]]

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* ''The Pitt'' DLC for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' has an overarching theme of GrayAndGreyMorality, exemplified in the struggle between Ashur's brutal slave regime trying to engineer a cure for the mutations plaguing the place, and Wernher's rebellion who want to just as brutally take the cure by force. [[spoiler: Also, the cure is a baby.]] [[KickTheDog Which you]] [[MoralEventHorizon can]] [[ImAHumanitarian eat]]]].
23rd Feb '16 5:01:47 PM Dravencour
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-->'''Kira Nerys:''' None of you belonged on Bajor. It wasn't your world! For fifty years you raped our planet, and you killed our people. You lived on our land and you took the food out of our mouths, and I don't care whether you held a phaser in your hand or you ironed shirts for a living. You were all guilty and you were all legitimate targets!

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-->'''Kira Nerys:''' [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry None of you belonged on Bajor. It wasn't your world! world!]] For fifty years you raped our planet, and you killed our people. You lived on our land and you took the food out of our mouths, and I don't care whether you held a phaser in your hand or you ironed shirts for a living. You were all '''all''' guilty and you were all '''all''' legitimate targets!
16th Feb '16 1:52:27 PM jamespolk
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* A problem for Pancho Villa in ''Film/VivaVilla''. Madero coaxes Pancho into supporting him by saying that the revolution needs to be civilized, and that Pancho needs to fight in an organized army and not murder the enemy soldiers he captures. Pancho is reluctant, but agrees, and does become civilized for a time. But after Madero is killed Pancho fights back in his old prisoner-killing bandit style, which costs him the support of idealists like Don Felipe. And when he takes over as President of Mexico Pancho is an incompetent administrator, which he eventually admits.
--> '''Pancho''' (to Madero): You can't win a revolution with love. You've got to have hate. You are the good side; I am the bad side.
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