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11th Aug '17 3:50:15 PM DoktorvonEurotrash
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* The ''[[Series/{{Blackadder}} Blackadder the Third]]'' episode "Nob and Nobility" presents the French Revolution as this (PlayedForLaughs, of course). The French Ambassador brags about having murdered his loyalist predecessor and [[ImAHumanitarian turned him into pâté]], and is positively elated at the thought of torturing and executing aristocrats (and Englishmen). That said, given that a French aristocrat in the same episode describes his preferred state of the world as having other people earn money and then give it to him, ''l'ancien régime'' doesn't come off as much better.

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* The ''[[Series/{{Blackadder}} Blackadder the Third]]'' episode "Nob and Nobility" presents the French Revolution as this (PlayedForLaughs, of course). The French Ambassador brags about having murdered his loyalist predecessor and [[ImAHumanitarian turned him into pâté]], and is positively elated at the thought of torturing and executing aristocrats (and Englishmen). That said, given that a French aristocrat (who admittedly [[spoiler:turns out not to be who he appears to be]]) in the same episode describes his preferred state of the world as having other people earn money and then give it to him, ''l'ancien régime'' doesn't come off as much better.
11th Aug '17 3:11:29 PM DoktorvonEurotrash
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* The ''[[Series/{{Blackadder}} Blackadder the Third]]'' episode "Nob and Nobility" presents the French Revolution as this (PlayedForLaughs, of course). The French Ambassador brags about having murdered his loyalist predecessor and [[ImAHumanitarian turned him into pâté]], and is positively elated at the thought of torturing and executing aristocrats (and Englishmen). That said, given that a French aristocrat in the same episode describes his preferred state of the world as having other people earn money and then give it to him, ''l'ancien régime'' doesn't come off as much better.
9th Aug '17 9:30:38 AM VioletVisions
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* ''Series/BlackSails'', especially the last 2 seasons. Captain Flint's reasoning is basically: If you're trying to fight a David vs. Goliath OneManWar against a slavery-supporting, sexist, [[spoiler]]viciously homophobic[[/spoiler]] Empire, you better be prepared to [[DisproportionateRetribution kill some innocent people]] so that your enemy will be scared enough of you to think twice about hanging your supporters. Some of the freed slaves also get very brutal in revenging themselves on their former masters - including their wives and children.

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* ''Series/BlackSails'', especially the last 2 seasons. Captain Flint's reasoning is basically: If you're trying to fight a David vs. Goliath OneManWar One Man War against a slavery-supporting, sexist, [[spoiler]]viciously homophobic[[/spoiler]] [[spoiler:and viciously homophobic]] Empire, you better be prepared to [[DisproportionateRetribution kill some innocent people]] so that your enemy will be scared enough of you to think twice about hanging your supporters. Some of the freed slaves also get very brutal in revenging themselves on their former masters - including their wives and children.
9th Aug '17 9:28:15 AM VioletVisions
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* ''Series/BlackSails'', especially the last 2 seasons. Captain Flint's reasoning is basically: If you're trying to fight a David vs. Goliath OneManWar against a slavery-supporting, sexist, [[spoiler]]viciously homophobic[[/spoiler]] Empire, you better be prepared to [[DisproportionateRetribution kill some innocent people]] so that your enemy will be scared enough of you to think twice about hanging your supporters. Some of the freed slaves also get very brutal in revenging themselves on their former masters - including their wives and children.
29th Jul '17 4:10:19 AM aidreamer
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* In ''Webcomic/TowerOfGod'', the ruler of the Tower, King Zahard, is a very cruel man, responsible for turning the tower into the CrapsackWorld it is today out of spite and greed. The strongest people he wronged formed a terrorist organization called [=FUG=], and are themselves willing to sink to unspeakably vile depths to get their {{Revenge}}.
25th Jul '17 5:24:40 PM ImpudentInfidel
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At one point early on, a member tries to convince Geralt to let him take some crates of medical supplies. If you give them to him, it later turns out they really contain some really nasty weapons that only work on unarmored civilians. Which they use to prominently assassinate an unarmed civilian. Who happens to have a second job as a drug pusher, making addicts of elvish teenagers so he can force them into drug-controlled slavery and/or prostitution. Or at least that's what the moderate dwarves and elves say. So, that one particular incident was probably justified, but later it gets worse.

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At one point early on, a member tries to convince Geralt to let him take some crates of medical supplies. If you give them to him, it later turns out they really contain some really nasty weapons that only work on unarmored civilians. Which they use to prominently assassinate an unarmed civilian.civilian (who happened to be Geralt's contact in the city). Who happens to have a second job as a drug pusher, making addicts of elvish teenagers so he can force them into drug-controlled slavery and/or prostitution. Or at least that's what the moderate dwarves and elves say. So, that one particular incident was probably justified, but later it gets worse.
18th Jul '17 10:21:52 PM NoNamesEver
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** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s Civil War questline has the Stormcloaks in this role, many of whom are blatantly racist in their 'Skyrim for Nords' approach.

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** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s Civil War questline has the Stormcloaks in this role, many of whom are blatantly racist in their 'Skyrim for Nords' approach. They also employ a WithUsOrAgainstUs policy to justify their racism which has caused severe friction between the fragile situation of the Argonians and Dunmer.
16th Jul '17 3:36:52 PM Lanes17B
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* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once the rebels take the fight to the Capital, you can see their tactics become more brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, when President Snow offers to open his mansion as a refugee camp, the rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the fact that actual refugees and civilians are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help that [[spoiler:President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children, and it's implied she will replace Snow as dictator. Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing in on itself]].

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* In ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart2'', once the rebels take the fight to the Capital, you can see their tactics become more brutal and morally ambiguous. For example, when President Snow offers to open his mansion as a refugee camp, the rebels disguise themselves as refugees to get close enough to open fire, completely disregarding the fact that actual refugees and civilians are in their line of fire. It also doesn't help that [[spoiler:President [[spoiler:[[FullCircleRevolution President Coin wanted to restart the Hunger Games using Capital children, and it's implied she will replace Snow as dictator. dictator.]] Thankfully, Katniss and Plutarch manage to save the revolution from collapsing in on itself]].
13th Jul '17 1:25:32 PM Jacob175
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The anti-trope to TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified, this is a considerably DarkerAndEdgier version of LaResistance. This is different from the TheRemnant, in that [[ExactlyWhatItSaysontheTin the remnant are the leftover of the Empire after it has fallen]]. However, it is important to mention that these rebels tend more often than not to be portrayed heroically (at least at first). The rebels are all {{antihero}}es at best, as brutal or more so than their enemies. At worst, for every idealist there's five thugs who signed up for the looting and/or psychos who just want an excuse to rape and kill people (if the RebelLeader is one of these, than it might be an indication that the rebellion is villainous in this case, or, at the very least, is one hell of a FallenHero if they weren't always like that). No matter whose side you're on, it's sacrifice, honor, duty, and "shut up and follow orders!" They will usually be led by a rebel version of GeneralRipper, or possibly a subversion of that archetype. The more desperate the circumstances, the more brutal the rebels get; expect lots of RapePillageAndBurn on any village that they even ''suspect'' isn't sympathetic to their cause, ColdBloodedTorture and other forms of extreme cruelty towards [=POWs=], and lots of MakeAnExampleOfThem to frighten those who are on the fence into supporting them, often in the form of [[CruelAndUnusualDeath horrifically brutal]] [[PublicExecution public executions]]. Depending on the nature of the conflict, genocide may or may not wind up entering the picture; if the ruling power is largely comprised of one specific ethnic or religious group, it's probably a safe bet that all members of that group will be targeted.

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The anti-trope to TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified, this is a considerably DarkerAndEdgier version of LaResistance. This is different from the TheRemnant, in that [[ExactlyWhatItSaysontheTin [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the remnant are the leftover of the Empire after it has fallen]]. However, it is important to mention that these rebels tend more often than not to be portrayed heroically (at least at first). The rebels are all {{antihero}}es at best, as brutal or more so than their enemies. At worst, for every idealist there's five thugs who signed up for the looting and/or psychos who just want an excuse to rape and kill people (if the RebelLeader is one of these, than it might be an indication that the rebellion is villainous in this case, or, at the very least, is one hell of a FallenHero if they weren't always like that). No matter whose side you're on, it's sacrifice, honor, duty, and "shut up and follow orders!" They will usually be led by a rebel version of GeneralRipper, or possibly a subversion of that archetype. The more desperate the circumstances, the more brutal the rebels get; expect lots of RapePillageAndBurn on any village that they even ''suspect'' isn't sympathetic to their cause, ColdBloodedTorture and other forms of extreme cruelty towards [=POWs=], and lots of MakeAnExampleOfThem to frighten those who are on the fence into supporting them, often in the form of [[CruelAndUnusualDeath horrifically brutal]] [[PublicExecution public executions]]. Depending on the nature of the conflict, genocide may or may not wind up entering the picture; if the ruling power is largely comprised of one specific ethnic or religious group, it's probably a safe bet that all members of that group will be targeted.



* ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'': V makes no bones about the fact that he is a terrorist. [[note]]But he also recognizes that such a person (or monster) has no place building or living in the new world that will rise from the ashes of the old (the one he plans to burn down). He is an agent of death and destruction, a weapon to be cast away when it has served it's purpose.[[/note]]
* Quite a few ''StarWars'' ExpandedUniverse comics have attempted to extend this to the Rebel Alliance, trying to [[BlackAndGrayMorality soften the line between good guys and bad guys]], as well as explain how the cash-strapped outfit got its money. Sometimes its just down to the occasional {{jerkass}} pilot, such as Jal Te Gniev (who later makes a HeroicSacrifice after watching a teenager he'd abused [[TakingTheBullet take the blaster bolt]] for him--and shooting with a gun that he'd bought to ''kill'' Gniev). However, it did sometimes come down to situations where in order to keep working, the Alliance and later New Republic would have to kill innocents themselves.\\

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* ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'': V makes no bones about the fact that he is a terrorist. [[note]]But he also recognizes that such a person (or monster) has no place building or living in the new world that will rise from the ashes of the old (the one he plans to burn down). He is an agent of death and destruction, a weapon to be cast away when it has served it's its purpose.[[/note]]
* Quite a few ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' ExpandedUniverse comics have attempted to extend this to the Rebel Alliance, trying to [[BlackAndGrayMorality soften the line between good guys and bad guys]], as well as explain how the cash-strapped outfit got its money. Sometimes its it's just down to the occasional {{jerkass}} pilot, such as Jal Te Gniev (who later makes a HeroicSacrifice after watching a teenager he'd abused [[TakingTheBullet take the blaster bolt]] for him--and shooting with a gun that he'd bought to ''kill'' Gniev). However, it did sometimes come down to situations where in order to keep working, the Alliance and later New Republic would have to kill innocents themselves.\\



* In the MarvelUniverse, Skrull Kill Krew.

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* In the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Skrull Kill Krew.



* Between 1980 and 1983, the ''StarWars'' fandom was inundated with stories speculating on how -- or if -- Han Solo might be thawed out of the carbonite in which he'd ended ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. One particularly memorable story, "The Revenant", had him being unfrozen ''thirty years later''. Leia is dead, Chewbacca is dead, Lando is dead ... and Luke, who arranged Leia's death to bring a group of unaligned planets to the Rebellion's side, is First Citizen of a New Republic oppressive as ever the Empire was.

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* Between 1980 and 1983, the ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' fandom was inundated with stories speculating on how -- or if -- Han Solo might be thawed out of the carbonite in which he'd ended ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. One particularly memorable story, "The Revenant", had him being unfrozen ''thirty years later''. Leia is dead, Chewbacca is dead, Lando is dead ... and Luke, who arranged Leia's death to bring a group of unaligned planets to the Rebellion's side, is First Citizen of a New Republic oppressive as ever the Empire was.



* In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', Bane presents himself as a revolutionary trying to free Gotham from the control of it's corrupt elite. His methods? Gather an army mostly made up of mercenaries and [[spoiler: escaped convicts, trap most of Gotham's police underground, put all members of high society and other dissidents through a KangarooCourt, and threaten to detonate a nuke if anyone tries to interfere.]] And through all of this, [[spoiler: Bane is not remotely interested in helping Gotham. The entire point of the "revolution" is to spread chaos and distract the populace from his true plan of destroying Gotham.]]

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* In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', Bane presents himself as a revolutionary trying to free Gotham from the control of it's its corrupt elite. His methods? Gather an army mostly made up of mercenaries and [[spoiler: escaped convicts, trap most of Gotham's police underground, put all members of high society and other dissidents through a KangarooCourt, and threaten to detonate a nuke if anyone tries to interfere.]] And through all of this, [[spoiler: Bane is not remotely interested in helping Gotham. The entire point of the "revolution" is to spread chaos and distract the populace from his true plan of destroying Gotham.]]






* The Defias Brotherhood in ''WorldOfWarcraft'' may count as an example of this. The Defias began as a group of disgruntled stonemasons who were cheated by their government. Unfortunately, they became too heavily involved with criminal elements and ended up robbing and killing the peasants.

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* The Defias Brotherhood in ''WorldOfWarcraft'' ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' may count as an example of this. The Defias began as a group of disgruntled stonemasons who were cheated by their government. Unfortunately, they became too heavily involved with criminal elements and ended up robbing and killing the peasants.



* Both the UFLL and APR in ''[[FarCry Far Cry 2]]''. Sure, they both claim to be fighting for their people's best interests, but really they're both as corrupt and vicious as each other. [[spoiler:The game's ending has the player rejecting both factions and siding with The Jackal, and [[KillEmAll killing every named leader in either faction]].]]

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* Both the UFLL and APR in ''[[FarCry ''[[VideoGame/FarCry Far Cry 2]]''. Sure, they both claim to be fighting for their people's best interests, but really they're both as corrupt and vicious as each other. [[spoiler:The game's ending has the player rejecting both factions and siding with The Jackal, and [[KillEmAll killing every named leader in either faction]].]]



* The Renegades from ''Tales of Symphonia'' are a group dedicated to fighting the organization that "guides the world," Cruxis. How do they do this, you may ask? [[spoiler:It's implied that most of the time, when a Chosen fails in the Journey of Regeneration, it's because the Renegades kill them, thus prolonging the cycles of Regeneration. Hell, even after forming an alliance, Yuan still resorts to his plan to hold Lloyd hostage and force Kratos to undo the seal. Even Kratos seems to acknowledge that Yuan is serious with his threats.]]

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* The Renegades from ''Tales of Symphonia'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' are a group dedicated to fighting the organization that "guides the world," Cruxis. How do they do this, you may ask? [[spoiler:It's implied that most of the time, when a Chosen fails in the Journey of Regeneration, it's because the Renegades kill them, thus prolonging the cycles of Regeneration. Hell, even after forming an alliance, Yuan still resorts to his plan to hold Lloyd hostage and force Kratos to undo the seal. Even Kratos seems to acknowledge that Yuan is serious with his threats.]]



* ''AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'' sees the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapse thanks to a drastic misreading of the political climate by President Disney. Martin Luther King, Jr. gets publicly egged, destroying his credibility, and the movement falls under control of the Nation of Islam. One word: ''jihad''.

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* ''AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'' ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'' sees the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapse thanks to a drastic misreading of the political climate by President Disney. Martin Luther King, Jr. gets publicly egged, destroying his credibility, and the movement falls under control of the Nation of Islam. One word: ''jihad''.



* The Decepticons from ''{{Transformers}}'' are occasionally this, depending on the incarnation. In particular, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' and the [[VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron Aligned]] [[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime continuity]] depict the Decepticons as having legitimate grievances with a morally grey Autobot government, but they're just too extreme in their methods. ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' suggests that the Predacons might be in the same boat, but we don't learn enough about the situation to properly judge.

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* The Decepticons from ''{{Transformers}}'' ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' are occasionally this, depending on the incarnation. In particular, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' and the [[VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron Aligned]] [[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime continuity]] depict the Decepticons as having legitimate grievances with a morally grey Autobot government, but they're just too extreme in their methods. ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' suggests that the Predacons might be in the same boat, but we don't learn enough about the situation to properly judge.



21st Jun '17 11:31:19 AM BeerBaron
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** The 2nd Era Stros M'Kai uprising saw a group of [[MasterSwordsman Redguards]] capture the strategically important island of Stros M'Kai from Imperial forces while slaying the (admittedly corrupt) Imperial Governor. The Septim RisingEmpire was forced to make several concessions to Hammerfell in order to regain the island and restore order.
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