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13th Aug '16 5:42:23 PM TheCuza
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** In the Season 10 finale, [[spoiler:they actually manage to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu kill Death]], using his own scythe. However, all the ''other'' Reapers are quite pissed that somebody killed their boss, not to mention that they're sick of the two of them dying and being resurrected so often. A Reaper named Billie tells Sam that the next time they die will be the last time, and their souls will be sent to "[[TheNothingAfterDeath the Empty]]" where resurrection is impossible.]]
31st Jul '16 10:12:43 AM Yuihime
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* A milder version shows up in ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'', when [[http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2006-03-12 Li'l E flips off God and runs away, only to be told that there's nowhere to hide from Him]].
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4th Jul '16 10:16:11 AM ChaoticNovelist
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As nemeses go, you can't do worse than be EnemiesWithDeath. TheGrimReaper isn't unbeatable, he can be whipped into submission by a sufficiently cunning GuileHero with ThePlan or a sufficiently {{Badass}} ActionHero with a good enough weapon or a [[ChessWithDeath nice game of Chess]].

There's just one small problem: these cosmic entities usually play a pretty important role in the universe and afterlife. Beating them to a pulp just means you've pissed off the guy who's in charge of your eternal reward. He/she/it may decide to punt you into {{Hell}} instead of {{Heaven}}, or simply trap you in [[TheUndead an unnatural state between life and death]] when it would be your time to "die." Even {{Immortality}} is no guarantee of safety, because Death will make sure [[WhoWantsToLiveForever the hero regrets eternal life]] one way or another. Heck, Death may even [[BarredFromTheAfterlife levy immortality]] [[WhoWantsToLiveForever as the punishment]]!

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As nemeses go, you can't do worse than be EnemiesWithDeath. [[TitleDrop Enemies With Death]]. TheGrimReaper isn't unbeatable, he can be whipped into submission by a sufficiently cunning GuileHero with ThePlan or a sufficiently {{Badass}} tough ActionHero with a good enough weapon or a [[ChessWithDeath nice game of Chess]].

There's just one small problem: these cosmic entities usually play a pretty important role in the universe and afterlife. Beating them to a pulp just means you've pissed off the guy who's in charge of your eternal reward. He/she/it may decide to punt you into {{Hell}} instead of {{Heaven}}, or simply trap you in [[TheUndead an unnatural state between life and death]] when it would be your time to "die." Even {{Immortality}} is no guarantee of safety, because Death will make sure [[WhoWantsToLiveForever the hero regrets eternal life]] one way or another. Heck, Death may even [[BarredFromTheAfterlife levy immortality]] [[WhoWantsToLiveForever immortality as the punishment]]!



** Awesome (if somewhat [[NarmCharm narmy]]) aversion in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence''. After whipping Death into submission, Leon basically states that "Death" is only a psychopomp (which is why he ''could''), and that as a good, God-fearing Christian, he'll be going to Heaven anyway in the end, so it doesn't matter.
*** This is especially significant if you consider [[spoiler: Mathias]]'s conviction that GodIsEvil and attempts to make Leon feel similarly-- Leon is ''betting his immortal soul'' on the exact opposite being true, even after [[TraumaCongaLine everything that's happened to him]]. Narmy or not, [[{{Badass}} there is no shaking this man's faith]].

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** Awesome (if somewhat [[NarmCharm narmy]]) aversion in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence''. After whipping Death into submission, Leon basically states that "Death" is only a psychopomp {{psychopomp}} (which is why he ''could''), and that as a good, God-fearing Christian, he'll be going to Heaven anyway in the end, so it doesn't matter.
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matter. This is especially significant if you consider [[spoiler: Mathias]]'s conviction that GodIsEvil and attempts to make Leon feel similarly-- Leon is ''betting his immortal soul'' on the [[GodIsGood exact opposite being true, true]], even after [[TraumaCongaLine everything that's happened to him]]. Narmy or not, [[{{Badass}} [[RealMenLoveJesus there is no shaking this man's faith]].
1st Jul '16 2:35:34 PM PixelKnight
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** The avatar of a trickster god who stole his own soul back via a deathbed repentance. The god was so ([[PetTheDog sincerely]]) touched by this final act of devotion that he decided the only way to properly repay him was by granting him demigod status. [[BlessedWithSuck In limbo]].

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** The avatar A master thief who was also a devout worshipper of a trickster Olidammara, god of thieves and pranksters, who stole his own soul back from his god via a deathbed repentance. The god Olidammara was so ([[PetTheDog sincerely]]) touched by this final act of devotion that devotion, but also left with a problem. If he acknowledged it as a truly epic prank, he would claim the avatar's soul and render the prank meaningless. If not, he would lose the soul of one of his greatest devotees, who would. Eventually, he decided the only way to properly repay him was by granting him demigod status. [[BlessedWithSuck In limbo]].
29th Jun '16 7:45:30 AM TheCheshireCat
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** One inversion exists in Hob Gadling's story, where he gains immortality by basically shit-talking Death. Death finds this amusing rather than enraging. Notably, this isn't even a case of WhoWantsToLiveForever/BlessedWithSuck where living forever turns out to be a punishment for his arrogance - Death is still completely willing to take him when he decides he's lived long enough, no strings attached.
7th Jun '16 7:41:22 PM Willbyr
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* In the Hades chapter of ''SaintSeiya'', this question is left unaddressed. In the follow up Heaven chapter, the gods, angry at the dead Gold Saints for killing Hades cursed them to be trapped in a statue for all eternity. Hades being a repeat OmnicidalManiac [[JerkassGods didn't affect their judgement]].
** In ''SaintSeiyaTheLostCanvas'' this is actually explicitly referenced. At one point one of the Gold Saints (while living) is teleported into Hades (the location) and notices that all of his dead friends are trapped in the ice of the ninth circle, cursed to this punishment for having opposed Hades. It backfires since their souls help the Gold Saint beat the crap out of his opponent by [[SuperEmpowering powering him up. This ultimately gives him enough determination to decide to end things once and for all with Hades, when the next war comes around.]]

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* In the Hades chapter of ''SaintSeiya'', ''Manga/SaintSeiya'', this question is left unaddressed. In the follow up Heaven chapter, the gods, angry at the dead Gold Saints for killing Hades cursed them to be trapped in a statue for all eternity. Hades being a repeat OmnicidalManiac [[JerkassGods didn't affect their judgement]].
** In ''SaintSeiyaTheLostCanvas'' ''Manga/SaintSeiyaTheLostCanvas'' this is actually explicitly referenced. At one point one of the Gold Saints (while living) is teleported into Hades (the location) and notices that all of his dead friends are trapped in the ice of the ninth circle, cursed to this punishment for having opposed Hades. It backfires since their souls help the Gold Saint beat the crap out of his opponent by [[SuperEmpowering powering him up. This ultimately gives him enough determination to decide to end things once and for all with Hades, when the next war comes around.]]



** The very first issue [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this. Dream's capture and imprisonment by the sorcerer Roderick Burgess causes ''all kinds'' of things (from the merely weird to the truly tragic) to happen all over the world. But when Dream finally escapes, Burgess's son admits that the original plan was to capture his sister, Death. Dream's response is basically, "The entire freaking world should count itself lucky you blew it and got me instead."
** Averted elsewhere, as it's implied from time-to-time that pissing Death off is the biggest (and last) mistake a person could ever make. Whenever something irritates her enough to just make her ''snippy,'' whoever's doing it stops dead. [[spoiler: Even The Kindly Ones fear her.]]

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** The very first issue [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this. Dream's capture and imprisonment by the sorcerer Roderick Burgess causes ''all kinds'' of things (from the merely weird to the truly tragic) to happen all over the world. But when Dream finally escapes, Burgess's son admits that the original plan was to capture his sister, Death. Dream's response is basically, "The entire freaking world should count itself lucky you blew it and got me instead."
** Averted elsewhere, as it's implied from time-to-time that pissing Death off is the biggest (and last) mistake a person could ever make. Whenever something irritates her enough to just make her ''snippy,'' whoever's doing it stops dead. [[spoiler: Even [[spoiler:Even The Kindly Ones fear her.]]



* Happens to Jack in {{Comicbook/Fables}} for about a page or so. During the Civil War. Results in TechnicallyLivingZombie.

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* Happens to Jack in {{Comicbook/Fables}} ''ComicBook/{{Fables}}'' for about a page or so. During the Civil War. Results in TechnicallyLivingZombie.
6th May '16 10:15:20 AM Jhamin
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* The MysticChina book by Palladium books discusses various ways to achieve immortality in an Eastern Mythology based game setting. It then establishes that Death is actually a series of functionaries working for the CelestialBureaucracy. When they start their jobs they are given a list of souls they need to shepard into the afterlife and they cannot retire until their list is finished. Which means that eventually an immortal may be the only thing standing between them and retirement. Death will make it personal if you insist on living forever.
6th May '16 6:46:04 AM aye_amber
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* In ''TheThanosImperative'', the MarvelUniverse is invaded by an alternate universe where death was destroyed and life grew unchecked throughout the universe to the point where life itself has become an EldritchAbomination, governed by "[[UltimateEvil The Many-Angled Ones]]".

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* In ''TheThanosImperative'', ''ComicBook/TheThanosImperative'', the MarvelUniverse is invaded by an alternate universe where death was destroyed and life grew unchecked throughout the universe to the point where life itself has become an EldritchAbomination, governed by "[[UltimateEvil The Many-Angled Ones]]". Ones.]]"
10th Apr '16 9:00:25 PM aye_amber
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* ''TheCatLady'' toys with this idea. The Queen of Maggots attempts to force Susan back to life after she just committed suicide so that the latter can kill off five "Parasites" still amongst the living. When Susan refuses, the Queen points out that, as the gatekeeper between life and the afterlife, she can keep Susan in a perpetual twilight existence, denying her the eternal rest she craves until she does as she's told.

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* ''TheCatLady'' ''VideoGame/TheCatLady'' toys with this idea. The Queen of Maggots attempts to force Susan back to life after she just committed suicide so that the latter can kill off five "Parasites" still amongst the living. When Susan refuses, the Queen points out that, as the gatekeeper between life and the afterlife, she can keep Susan in a perpetual twilight existence, denying her the eternal rest she craves until she does as she's told.
3rd Jan '16 12:08:47 PM nombretomado
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* In the backstory of ''SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', Lord Median TheConqueror killed [[{{Psychopomp}} Master of Death]] Vigilance to save his son from a wasting disease. [[spoiler:Not only did his son die anyway, but killing Vigilance ended up completely wrecking the circle of reincarnation and allowed [[EvilCounterpart Gamma]] to steal all the souls Vigilance would normally be responsible for, it caused Vigilance's partner Virtious to kill Median in retaliation, and finally Gamma ended up poaching Vigilance's soul and his boss reincarnated him into PsychoForHire Gig and sent him back to his own world to [[OmnicidalManiac hurry along the collection]], as it were.]]

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* In the backstory of ''SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', ''VideoGame/SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters'', Lord Median TheConqueror killed [[{{Psychopomp}} Master of Death]] Vigilance to save his son from a wasting disease. [[spoiler:Not only did his son die anyway, but killing Vigilance ended up completely wrecking the circle of reincarnation and allowed [[EvilCounterpart Gamma]] to steal all the souls Vigilance would normally be responsible for, it caused Vigilance's partner Virtious to kill Median in retaliation, and finally Gamma ended up poaching Vigilance's soul and his boss reincarnated him into PsychoForHire Gig and sent him back to his own world to [[OmnicidalManiac hurry along the collection]], as it were.]]
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