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28th Apr '18 8:00:19 AM Theriocephalus
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** One inversion exists in Hob Gadling's story, where he gains immortality by basically shit-talking Death. Death finds this amusing rather than enraging. Notably, this isn't even a case of WhoWantsToLiveForever/BlessedWithSuck where living forever turns out to be a punishment for his arrogance - Death is still completely willing to take him when he decides he's lived long enough, no strings attached.

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** One inversion exists in Hob Gadling's story, where he gains immortality by basically shit-talking Death. Death finds this amusing rather than enraging. Notably, this isn't even a case of WhoWantsToLiveForever/BlessedWithSuck where living forever turns out to be a punishment for his arrogance - -- Death is still completely willing to take him when he decides he's lived long enough, no strings attached.



* In myth, there's the old story of ''The Russian Soldier'', who trapped Death in a magical bag. This resulted in DeathTakesAHoliday, so nobody could die - the suffering of the wounded was extended, and the old just became more and more tired and infirm... eventually, hearing the cries of the people, he released Death from the bag, expecting to become his first victim - but Death was frightened by the soldier's powers, and fled from him before resuming his duties... Which was all fine and dandy until, of course, the SOLDIER grew old, and Death would not come for him. Growing older and weaker, he became tired and weary of life... WhoWantsToLiveForever, right? He even tried to walk to the gates of Heaven himself, but they wouldn't let him in - he had sinned against the natural order of things by preventing Death from doing his job, after all. He then resigned himself to his fate and walked to the gates of Hell... but the Devil knew of his reputation, and was afraid that he'd [[HellHasNewManagement take over Hell]], so he barred the doors and refused to let him in. And so, due to his fight with Death, the Russian Soldier had all paths to the final end denied to him... and some say, he wanders still, hoping for the day he will be forgiven and allowed to rest at last...

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* In myth, there's the old story of ''The Russian Soldier'', who trapped Death in a magical bag. This resulted in DeathTakesAHoliday, so nobody could die - -- the suffering of the wounded was extended, and the old just became more and more tired and infirm... eventually, hearing the cries of the people, he released Death from the bag, expecting to become his first victim - -- but Death was frightened by the soldier's powers, and fled from him before resuming his duties... Which which was all fine and dandy until, of course, the SOLDIER grew old, and Death would not come for him. Growing older and weaker, he became tired and weary of life... WhoWantsToLiveForever, right? He even tried to walk to the gates of Heaven himself, but they wouldn't let him in - -- he had sinned against the natural order of things by preventing Death from doing his job, after all. He then resigned himself to his fate and walked to the gates of Hell... but the Devil knew of his reputation, and was afraid that he'd [[HellHasNewManagement take over Hell]], so he barred the doors and refused to let him in. And so, due to his fight with Death, the Russian Soldier had all paths to the final end denied to him... and some say, he wanders still, hoping for the day he will be forgiven and allowed to rest at last...



** There's an alternate telling, where Jack's soul is left to wander the earth alone and cold and in an odd case [or inversion of] SympathyForTheDevil, Satan himself lends him an ember from hell to keep him warm in a hollowed-out turnip.

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** There's an alternate telling, where Jack's soul is left to wander the earth alone and cold and in an odd case [or (or inversion of] of) SympathyForTheDevil, Satan himself lends him an ember from hell to keep him warm in a hollowed-out turnip.



* The story of the three brothers from ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' (and ''Literature/TheTalesOfBeedleTheBard'') uses this. Three brothers use magic to cross a dangerous river without dying, much to the annoyance of Death. The anthropomorphic personification pretends to congratulate them, and offers them each any prize they want. The first asks for an unbeatable wand. It works, but when the he boasts too much about it, someone slits his throat while he's sleeping. The second asks for a stone that lets him see the dead. He uses it to call upon the spirit of his fiancee, who passed away shortly before their marriage. However, she's only a shadow, and he finds himself pining after someone he can never have, so he commits suicide to join her. [[YoungestChildWins The last one]] realizes that Death is ''really pissed off'' and thus cannily asks for something to let him hide from "anyone" - and Death grudgingly gives him the cloak off his back, the very one he uses when he invisibly collects the dead. It's a perfect invisibility cloak, which he uses to hide from Death for many years. When his own time draws near, he gives the cloak to his child and willingly goes with Death as an equal.

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* The story of the three brothers from ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' (and ''Literature/TheTalesOfBeedleTheBard'') uses this. Three brothers use magic to cross a dangerous river without dying, much to the annoyance of Death. The anthropomorphic personification pretends to congratulate them, and offers them each any prize they want. The first asks for an unbeatable wand. It works, but when the he boasts too much about it, someone slits his throat while he's sleeping. The second asks for a stone that lets him see the dead. He uses it to call upon the spirit of his fiancee, who passed away shortly before their marriage. However, she's only a shadow, and he finds himself pining after someone he can never have, so he commits suicide to join her. [[YoungestChildWins The last one]] realizes that Death is ''really pissed off'' and thus cannily asks for something to let him hide from "anyone" - -- and Death grudgingly gives him the cloak off his back, the very one he uses when he invisibly collects the dead. It's a perfect invisibility cloak, which he uses to hide from Death for many years. When his own time draws near, he gives the cloak to his child and willingly goes with Death as an equal.
5th Mar '18 5:10:05 PM DaScarecrow
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** A major conceit of the series is that Death follows certain rules which make it possible to give yourself a clean slate but trying to use those rules is like playing a stacked game. Death has supreme latitude over how to get at those who escape its wrath, with even those who thwart it finding out how long it can play its game. Figure out its order and avert the next death? It just skips to the next one on the list. Kill someone to take their remaining years for yourself? Death gets what it wants regardless and you may have well just bought yourself a few days. Actually reset your place in Death's design? It can just set up another gruesome accident down the line to get you.
11th Sep '17 8:23:46 AM CosmicFerret
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* Subverted with TheFlash. He found a safe way to foil Death (at least the entity who fills that role on Apokolips): outrunning him. He was actually faster, proven when the hero outran the Reaper to a child he was intent on claiming and rescued him.

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* Subverted with TheFlash.ComicBook/TheFlash. He found a safe way to foil Death (at least the entity who fills that role on Apokolips): outrunning him. He was actually faster, proven when the hero outran the Reaper to a child he was intent on claiming and rescued him.
9th Aug '17 5:23:01 AM Daedalis
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* Subverted in ComicBook/RedSonja when meets Death in a fever dream in ''The Forgiving of Monsters''. Sonja defeats Death in combat to recover in the real world. This trope is in motion until the first page of the next issue, when Death communicates telepathically that she's not angry. Death knows Sonja's nature and appreciates her willfulness in the first place, and Sonja's rebellion barely inconveniences her.
21st Jul '17 3:50:24 PM AlienPatch
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** Averted with Mrs. Doolin. [[spoiler: At the end of the episode "Who killed who?", we find out that, after beating Grim at pretty much everything, she became inmortal. He apparently still holds a grudge against her for it, but he couldn't do anything to her and she still inhabits her old mansion where he can't even go to look for his dog.]]
17th Jul '17 11:14:18 PM TristanJeremiah
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** In ''VideoGame/GodOfWarGhostOfSparta'' the BigBad is the Death God himself, Thanatos. [[spoiler:but this trope is ultimately averted. Death somehow gets killed, even though he is Death incarcerate. Its implied Kratos has absorbed his power and become the new death, but since the game is an {{Interquel} its unknown if he lost this status in the beginning of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar2''.]]

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** In ''VideoGame/GodOfWarGhostOfSparta'' the BigBad is the Death God himself, Thanatos. [[spoiler:but this trope is ultimately averted. Death somehow gets killed, even though he is Death incarcerate. Its implied Kratos has absorbed his power and become the new death, but since the game is an {{Interquel} {{Interquel}} its unknown if he lost this status in the beginning of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar2''.]]
17th Jul '17 11:12:48 PM TristanJeremiah
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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar III'' has VillainProtagonist Kratos killing most of the Greek pantheon, including Poseidon, Hades, Hermes, Hera, Helios, Hephestus, and Zeus. The result? Horrible floods, plagues, plants dying, the sky blackened by storms and the dead unable to find their resting place. Oops.

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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar III'' has VillainProtagonist Kratos killing most of the Greek pantheon, including Poseidon, Hades, Hermes, Hera, Helios, Hephestus, and Zeus. The result? Horrible [[spoiler:Horrible floods, plagues, plants dying, the sky blackened by storms and the dead unable to find their resting place. Oops.[[{{Understatement}} Oops]].]]
** In ''VideoGame/GodOfWarGhostOfSparta'' the BigBad is the Death God himself, Thanatos. [[spoiler:but this trope is ultimately averted. Death somehow gets killed, even though he is Death incarcerate. Its implied Kratos has absorbed his power and become the new death, but since the game is an {{Interquel} its unknown if he lost this status in the beginning of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar2''.]]
12th Jul '17 5:49:09 AM jormis29
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* The MysticChina book by Palladium books discusses various ways to achieve immortality in an Eastern Mythology based game setting. It then establishes that Death is actually a series of functionaries working for the CelestialBureaucracy. When they start their jobs they are given a list of souls they need to shepard into the afterlife and they cannot retire until their list is finished. Which means that eventually an immortal may be the only thing standing between them and retirement. Death will make it personal if you insist on living forever.

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* The MysticChina ''TabletopGame/MysticChina'' book by Palladium books Creator/PalladiumBooks discusses various ways to achieve immortality in an Eastern Mythology based game setting. It then establishes that Death is actually a series of functionaries working for the CelestialBureaucracy. When they start their jobs they are given a list of souls they need to shepard into the afterlife and they cannot retire until their list is finished. Which means that eventually an immortal may be the only thing standing between them and retirement. Death will make it personal if you insist on living forever.
7th Jul '17 2:26:52 PM ChaoticNovelist
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*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Reapers are a fact of reality. Defeating them is unthinkable for most mortals and even if you do [[FightingAShadow they'll just respawn in the Abyss and come after you again]]. Even if you somehow [[KilledOffForReal permanently kill them]], that will just put you on their [[AnthropomorphicPersonification boss's]] shit list.
14th Apr '17 11:59:58 AM MasterFuzzy
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*** This is possibly because he shit-talked the ''idea'' of death and not Death-if he'd been rude to her, she probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as nice.
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