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22nd Jun '18 6:37:17 AM TheBigBopper
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The result is a lot of [[CrypticConversation vague and pretentious doubletalk]] about how they know everything that's happening but don't actually mention what any of those things are, not even to themselves. Expect comments like "[[AllAccordingToPlan Everything is going according to]] [[EvilPlan Plan]]." and "[[VaguenessIsComing Great Darkness is coming.]] We will see if the hero can handle it." Except for what little tidbits the writer feels obliged to reveal, as little detail as possible is given. Also, as TheHero (and by extension, the audience) finds out more of "The Plan", The Omniscient Council Of Vagueness will have no problem discussing those parts directly, even when it was apparently taboo previously. (Though, of course, people tend not to talk in detail about things they all already know. Makes wiretapping a frustrating business.)

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The result is a lot of [[CrypticConversation vague and pretentious doubletalk]] about how they know everything that's happening but don't actually mention what any of those things are, not even to amongst themselves. Expect comments like "[[AllAccordingToPlan Everything is going according to]] [[EvilPlan Plan]]." and "[[VaguenessIsComing Great Darkness is coming.]] We will see if the hero can handle it." Except for what little tidbits the writer feels obliged to reveal, as little detail as possible is given. Also, as TheHero (and by extension, the audience) finds out more of "The Plan", The Omniscient Council Of Vagueness will have no problem discussing those parts directly, even when it was apparently taboo previously. (Though, of course, people tend not to talk in detail about things they all already know. Makes wiretapping a frustrating business.)
19th Jun '18 8:52:38 PM Uyyy
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** In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the {{Beta Baddie}}s of Organization XIII form a similar omniscient council (though are only seen meeting together in the LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition.) Enhancing the effect was the fact that the members each wore a hooded BlackCloak, which concealed their face until they became part of the story directly.

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** In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the {{Beta Baddie}}s of Organization XIII form a similar omniscient council (though are only seen meeting together in the LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition.) [[note]]They do avert EvilIsNotWellLit, as their home base and meeting place is the very bright, sterile, and white [[EldritchLocation Castle That Never Was]].[[/note]]) Enhancing the effect was the fact that the members each wore a hooded BlackCloak, which concealed their face until they became part of the story directly.
14th Jun '18 9:02:24 AM StFan
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-->-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE Stonecutters Song]] from the ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E12HomerTheGreat Homer The Great]]"

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-->-- [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE Stonecutters Song]] from the ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode Song]]", ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E12HomerTheGreat Homer The the Great]]"






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* In ''MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfiction, the alicorn princesses (particularly Luna and Celestia) are sometimes treated as such a group.

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* According to Creator/LittleKuriboh and ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', 4kids is this. Turned UpToEleven. They just pop up every now and again, standing up in sync dramatically/observing everyone/making sure that nobody says [[spoiler: Disney]]. Ah! I said it! Noo!
* In ''MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfiction, the alicorn princesses (particularly Luna and Celestia) are sometimes treated as such a group.



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** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' has the 'World Security Council' of American, British, Chinese and Russian members, who are running SHIELD. They seem to know a lot about alien technology, advance weaponry and can order [[spoiler: a nuclear strike on New York]] at will. ComicBook/NickFury seems to know how to handle them when they make the wrong decisions. The World Security Council could be a FictionalCounterpart of the United Nations Security Council, an international group capable of making binding executive agreements (UNSC Resolutions) enforceable by volunteered military personnel. Permanent members of the UNSC include the United States, the United Kingdom, China and Russia, ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg as well as France]]), much like the "World Security Council". And just to drive home the ominousness, they saw fit to outfit a special conference room with giant monitors so that their almost faceless silhouettes can loom over Fury in a pointless but highly symbolic manner.
** Follow-up ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' does not explicitly follow those nationalities (one is implied to be Indian) but makes the council even more ominous. [[spoiler:SHIELD's representative there is part of HYDRA, the group ComicBook/RedSkull founded back in WWII...]] Though in fairness to them, [[spoiler:once they find out about Pierce's actions they [[AdoptTheDog immediately denounce him and his ideals and support Fury.]] So while they may have been ominous, they were definitely on the side of the heroes.]]

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** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has the 'World "World Security Council' Council", of American, British, Chinese and Russian members, who are running SHIELD. S.H.I.E.L.D. They seem to know a lot about alien technology, advance weaponry and can order [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a nuclear strike on New York]] at will. ComicBook/NickFury seems to know how to handle them when they make the wrong decisions. The World Security Council could be a FictionalCounterpart of the United Nations Security Council, an international group capable of making binding executive agreements (UNSC Resolutions) enforceable by volunteered military personnel. Permanent members of the UNSC include the United States, the United Kingdom, China and Russia, ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg as well as France]]), much like the "World Security Council". And just to drive home the ominousness, they saw fit to outfit a special conference room with giant monitors so that their almost faceless silhouettes can loom over Fury in a pointless but highly symbolic manner.
** Follow-up ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' does not explicitly follow those nationalities (one is implied to be Indian) but makes the council even more ominous. [[spoiler:SHIELD's [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D.'s representative there is part of HYDRA, the group ComicBook/RedSkull founded back in WWII...]] Though in fairness to them, [[spoiler:once they find out about Pierce's actions they [[AdoptTheDog immediately denounce him and his ideals and support Fury.]] So while they may have been ominous, they were definitely on the side of the heroes.]]



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* ''{{Series/Grimm}}'' has several--the Wessen Council, the Verrat, the Royals, and perhaps a few others.

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* ''{{Series/Grimm}}'' ''Series/{{Grimm}}'' has several--the several -- the Wessen Council, the Verrat, the Royals, and perhaps a few others.



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-->'''Annas:''' Good Ciaphas, [[OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness the Council]] waits for you. The Pharisees / and priests are here for you.
-->'''[[EvilSoundsDeep Ciaphas:]]''' Ah Gentlemen. [[CrypticConversation You know why we are here]]. We've not much time / and quite a problem here...
-->'''Priest #1:''' We dare not leave him to his own devices / His half-witted fans would get outta control.
-->'''Priest #2:''' But how can we stop him / his glamor increases / by leaps every minute, [[JesusWasWayCool he's top of the poll]].
-->-- "This Jesus Must Die"

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-->'''Annas:''' Good Ciaphas, [[OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness the Council]] waits for you. The Pharisees / and priests are here for you.
-->'''[[EvilSoundsDeep
you.\\
'''[[EvilSoundsDeep
Ciaphas:]]''' Ah Gentlemen. [[CrypticConversation You know why we are here]]. We've not much time / and quite a problem here...
-->'''Priest
here...\\
'''Priest
#1:''' We dare not leave him to his own devices / His half-witted fans would get outta control.
-->'''Priest
control.\\
'''Priest
#2:''' But how can we stop him / his glamor increases / by leaps every minute, [[JesusWasWayCool he's top of the poll]].
-->--
poll]].\\
--
"This Jesus Must Die"



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* The flash movie ''Shadow Government Puppet Show'' features an ominous council secretly running the United States government. They're an obvious parody of the Gazel Ministry from ''Xenogears'', right down to the dialogue and the fact they're a bunch of faces on a ball of monitors. It turns out that these talking heads are just really, ''really'' bored, and they do such things as play ''Taboo'', start the 2002 Iraqi war, go bowling, and [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext ram the continental US into France]] to alleviate their boredom.
* The Shadow Men in ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'', [[spoiler: Lear and Palmer]].

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* ''Webcomic/{{MAG ISA}}'' -- [[http://mag-isa.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/119800 They appear in almost every intro chapter of MAG-ISA.]] Their faces aren't seen. But they're the one pulling the strings. The BigBad is probably among them lurking in the shadows. They cannot be seen but they see all that is happening.

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* ''Webcomic/{{MAG ISA}}'' ''Webcomic/MagIsa'' -- [[http://mag-isa.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/119800 They appear in almost every intro chapter of MAG-ISA.]] Their faces aren't seen. But they're the one pulling the strings. The BigBad is probably among them lurking in the shadows. They cannot be seen but they see all that is happening.



* ''[[Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures DMFA]]'' has one of these in the form of the [[http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php Creature Council.]] Amongst the various ominous silhouettes, a phoenix [[LampshadeHanging complains]] about being the only source of light.

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* ''[[Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures DMFA]]'' ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'' has one of these in the form of the [[http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php Creature Council.]] Amongst the various ominous silhouettes, a phoenix [[LampshadeHanging complains]] about being the only source of light.



-->'''Brother Southeast''': He has proven receptive to the idea of the power, plus he has the resources to recover the items.
-->'''Brother Northeast''': That is quite good, but can we be less vague? We could finish these meetings in half the time if we were just straightforward.

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-->'''Brother Southeast''': Southeast:''' He has proven receptive to the idea of the power, plus he has the resources to recover the items.
-->'''Brother Northeast''':
items.\\
'''Brother Northeast:'''
That is quite good, but can we be less vague? We could finish these meetings in half the time if we were just straightforward.



* The Conclave from ''{{Webcomic/Roommates}}'', which is the closest thing to a government the ''Magical People'' have. It is TrueNeutral in flavor with hints of [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bright colors]]. It actually has rules to stop it from becoming a NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: Every member has the right to [[AHouseDivided go against their rulings]], but it has dire consequences if that member isn't victorious.

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* The Conclave from ''{{Webcomic/Roommates}}'', ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'', which is the closest thing to a government the ''Magical People'' have. It is TrueNeutral in flavor with hints of [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bright colors]]. It actually has rules to stop it from becoming a NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: Every member has the right to [[AHouseDivided go against their rulings]], but it has dire consequences if that member isn't victorious.



--> '''??? #3''': Just fill its holes in. Or drill it some holes.

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--> '''??? #3''': #3:''' Just fill its holes in. Or drill it some holes.



* The flash movie ''Shadow Government Puppet Show'' features an ominous council secretly running the United States government. They're an obvious parody of the Gazel Ministry from ''Xenogears'', right down to the dialogue and the fact they're a bunch of faces on a ball of monitors. It turns out that these talking heads are just really, ''really'' bored, and they do such things as play ''Taboo'', start the 2002 Iraqi war, go bowling, and [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext ram the continental US into France]] to alleviate their boredom.



* The Shadow Men in ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'', [[spoiler: Lear and Palmer]].
* According to Creator/LittleKuriboh and ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', 4kids is this. Turned UpToEleven. They just pop up every now and again, standing up in sync dramatically/observing everyone/making sure that nobody says [[spoiler: Disney]]. Ah! I said it! Noo!
* In the Literature/WhateleyUniverse, we've seen TheFaceless group known as 'the Syndicate'. We might even know who the head guy is. But it seems like they don't even want each other to know who they are. And they do seem to be the superpowered version of the Mafia.

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* The Shadow Men in ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'', [[spoiler: Lear and Palmer]].
* According to Creator/LittleKuriboh and ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'', 4kids is this. Turned UpToEleven. They just pop up every now and again, standing up in sync dramatically/observing everyone/making sure that nobody says [[spoiler: Disney]]. Ah! I said it! Noo!
* In the Literature/WhateleyUniverse, ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'', we've seen TheFaceless group known as 'the Syndicate'. We might even know who the head guy is. But it seems like they don't even want each other to know who they are. And they do seem to be the superpowered version of the Mafia.



* Wiki/TVTropes:
** The admins can sure seem this way when you don't particular know or care to know about admin politics. That is; unseen, incomprehensible, usually irrelevant.
** More plausibly, all that's happening is a combination of [[Franchise/GhostInTheShell stand alone complex]] due to Wiki/ThisVeryWiki being a group of fairly like-minded people and social interactions that no one person can be aware of.
** It seems this way to people when random pages get locked. For good reason.
* When editing [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} larger Wikis]], the editors who wind up peer-reviewing articles (deletion discussions as a prominent example) are an essentially arbitrary group assembled from such a large pool of motives, goals, and expertise they might as well be an Omniscient Council of Vagueness. You get the impression that a cabal of uncaring, misinformed twits is running the whole show with the sole intention of pissing you off. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Really, there is no cabal.]] It's just the ''universe'' which hates you.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' has the council of robot elders. Their main goal is to instill a fear of humans into the populace to distract them from the crippling lug nut shortage...and the fact that they are being ruled by incompetent robot elders.
--> Silence!
---> Silence! I concur.
** Not to forget the Nibblonian council.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' has the council of robot elders. Their main goal is to instill a fear of humans into the populace to distract them from the crippling lug nut shortage... and the fact that they are being ruled by incompetent robot elders.
--> Silence!
--->
Silence!\\
Silence! I concur.
** %%** Not to forget the Nibblonian council.



* In ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'', Cadmus serves as one of these initially, though their membership is exposed over the course of the season.

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* In ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'', ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', Cadmus serves as one of these initially, though their membership is exposed over the course of the season.



* The admins can sure seem this way when you don't particular know or care to know about admin politics. That is; unseen, incomprehensible, usually irrelevant.
* More plausibly, all that's happening is a combination of [[Franchise/GhostInTheShell stand alone complex]] due to Wiki/ThisVeryWiki being a group of fairly like-minded people and social interactions that no one person can be aware of.
* It seems this way to people when random pages get locked. For good reason.
* When editing [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} larger Wikis]], the editors who wind up peer-reviewing articles (deletion discussions as a prominent example) are an essentially arbitrary group assembled from such a large pool of motives, goals, and expertise they might as well be an Omniscient Council of Vagueness. You get the impression that a cabal of uncaring, misinformed twits is running the whole show with the sole intention of pissing you off. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Really, there is no cabal.]] It's just the ''universe'' which hates you.
12th May '18 7:01:26 AM VVK
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* The final scene of PC game ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' shows one of these vaguely debating and deciding on the PlayerCharacter's doom. It's really left to be nothing but a pure OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness, as no group like this ever appears afterwards. They could be an early concept for The Five, though, who appear in the expansion.
** It might also be the council that rules the nation of Amn, (the setting of the game) whose identities are secret.
*** WordOfGod is that it was the Five, but that the developers didn't decide that not all of the Five would be within human physical parameters until ''after'' the cutscene had been made.

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* The final scene of PC game ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' shows one of these vaguely debating and deciding on the PlayerCharacter's doom. It's really left to be nothing but a pure OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness, as no group like this ever appears afterwards. They could be \\
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WordOfGod is that this was
an early concept for The the Five, though, the antagonistic group of Bhaalspawn who appear in the expansion.
** It might also be the council that rules the nation of Amn, (the setting of the game) whose identities are secret.
*** WordOfGod is that it was the Five,
ExpansionPack, but that the developers didn't decide that not all of the Five would be within human physical parameters until ''after'' the cutscene had been made.
25th Apr '18 10:08:42 PM nombretomado
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* {{Gargoyles}} has the Illuminati, whose ultimate plans were only revealed to be somehow connected to the anticipated return of King Arthur in 2198.

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* {{Gargoyles}} ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' has the Illuminati, whose ultimate plans were only revealed to be somehow connected to the anticipated return of King Arthur in 2198.
11th Mar '18 1:42:27 PM TravisLanceHawkins
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This is the group that appears, usually early in the plot, when the HiddenAgendaVillain or the PowersThatBe gather their peers or most trusted servants and talk about what's going on. Don't expect anyone to be clearly lit, though. Depending on the desired level of secrecy, all we see of the Omniscient Councillors might be [[TheFaceless their body, but not their face]] or [[AllInTheEyes only their eyes]] - or we might see nothing but SinisterSilhouettes. This is naturally to protect the identities of the members from the audience, but it may also be because EvilIsNotWellLit.

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This is the group that appears, usually early in the plot, when the HiddenAgendaVillain or the PowersThatBe gather their peers or most trusted servants and talk about what's going on. [[EvilIsNotWellLit Don't expect anyone to be clearly lit, though. though.]] Depending on the desired level of secrecy, all we see of the Omniscient Councillors might be [[TheFaceless their body, but not their face]] or [[AllInTheEyes only their eyes]] - or we might see nothing but SinisterSilhouettes. This is naturally to protect the identities of the members from the audience, but it may also be because EvilIsNotWellLit.
6th Mar '18 9:30:43 PM nombretomado
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* More plausibly, all that's happening is a combination of [[Franchise/GhostInTheShell stand alone complex]] due to ThisWiki being a group of fairly like-minded people and social interactions that no one person can be aware of.

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* More plausibly, all that's happening is a combination of [[Franchise/GhostInTheShell stand alone complex]] due to ThisWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki being a group of fairly like-minded people and social interactions that no one person can be aware of.
4th Mar '18 9:52:37 AM MadAnthony94
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* ''Film/JamesBond'' had SPECTRE, though their Number One was the most consistently shadowy and vague. It's a bit hard to make sense of their long term goals: in ''Film/DrNo'', they have the titular Doctor sabotaging rocket launches, but the only explanation we're offered is that it's to fulfill No's personal vendetta. In ''Film/{{Thunderball}}'' they've upgraded to holding the world hostage with nukes, then in ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'' they're back to sabotaging rocket launches, this time to exacerbate Cold War tensions, but puzzlingly they're suddenly working freelance for Red China despite previous indications that their activities were part of their own initiative.
15th Feb '18 9:56:01 AM MasterFuzzy
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* ''FanFic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has [[StealthMentor Stephen]] [[MagnificentBastard Strange]], a one-man version of this trope. Only see glimpses of him at first? Check. Enigmatic? Double check. Has a plan all mapped out and makes the hero (and everyone else) dance on his puppet strings? Oh, yeah.
10th Feb '18 1:39:31 AM tramman
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* The Swiss Federal Council, a seven-member body that acts as Switzerland's collective President, Prime Minister and Cabinet. They are elected by Parliament, and all their meetings are secret- nobody knows who said what or who voted for what, even how the vote was split is secret, whether it's unanimous or a slim 4/3.

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* The Swiss Federal Council, a seven-member body that acts as Switzerland's collective President, Prime Minister and Cabinet. They are elected by Parliament, and all their meetings are secret- nobody knows who said what or who voted for what, even how the vote was split is secret, whether it's unanimous or a slim 4/3. Also known for their yearly official photographs, with the [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Bundesrat_der_Schweiz_2017b.png 2017 version]] particularly fitting this trope.
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