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23rd Apr '16 9:31:45 AM VVK
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** The Things from the Dungeon Dimensions, the basic Lovecraftian EldritchAbominations in the setting, are according to ''The Foklore of Discworld'' likely old dark gods who were cast out by the Old High Ones. Now they are miserable disordered things that want to get back into the real universe. Some of these, like Bel-Shamharoth, are still there; though having no worshippers, he is said to be [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly sustained as a god]] by the brief, horrified intensity of the belief of his victims.

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** The Things from the Dungeon Dimensions, the basic Lovecraftian EldritchAbominations {{Eldritch Abomination}}s in the setting, are according to ''The Foklore of Discworld'' likely old dark gods who were cast out by the Old High Ones. Now they are miserable disordered things that want to get back into the real universe. Some of these, like Bel-Shamharoth, are still there; though having no worshippers, he is said to be [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly sustained as a god]] by the brief, horrified intensity of the belief of his victims.
23rd Apr '16 9:31:11 AM VVK
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** "Creators" are separate from gods, and obviously came before them because they were responsible for creating the world. They only barely qualify for the plural; the Discworld had a singular main creator, but the continent of Xxxx was created later by a different Creator. The Creators might certainly be more powerful than gods too since they could build the whole world, but they're clearly more "demiurge" (or "craftsman") than "supreme being".

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** "Creators" are separate from gods, and obviously came before them because they were responsible for creating the world. They only barely qualify for the plural; the Discworld had a singular main creator, but the continent of Xxxx was created later by a different Creator. The Creators might certainly be more powerful than gods too since they could build the whole world, but they're clearly more "demiurge" (or "craftsman") than "supreme being". The dwarfs also have beliefs about a creator known as Tak, who seems more important in their view but has not actually been seen.
** The Things from the Dungeon Dimensions, the basic Lovecraftian EldritchAbominations in the setting, are according to ''The Foklore of Discworld'' likely old dark gods who were cast out by the Old High Ones. Now they are miserable disordered things that want to get back into the real universe. Some of these, like Bel-Shamharoth, are still there; though having no worshippers, he is said to be [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly sustained as a god]] by the brief, horrified intensity of the belief of his victims.
19th Apr '16 3:14:39 AM Tron80
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* In ''Fanfic/ChildrenOfAnElderGod'', [[EldritchAbomination the Great Old Ones]] from the Franchise/CthulhuMythos inhabited the Earth long before mankindů and the story begins because they're returning and want to reclaim their home.



* In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', [[{{God}} Ilúvatar]], who created the world, is a GodOfGods who effectively delegates running the world after creation to the Valar, analogous to polytheistic gods/goddesses ([[AuthorAppeal technically]] the highest choir of angels, Creator/JRRTolkien being a good Catholic). Thereafter, he steps in only when the Númenóreans attack Valinor, at which point the world needs to be re-shaped to take the Blessed Realm outside the physical realm.

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* In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', [[{{God}} Ilúvatar]], who created the world, is a GodOfGods who effectively delegates running the world after creation to the Valar, analogous to polytheistic gods/goddesses ([[AuthorAppeal technically]] the highest choir of angels, Creator/JRRTolkien being a good Catholic).angels). Thereafter, he steps in only when the Númenóreans attack Valinor, at which point the world needs to be re-shaped to take the Blessed Realm outside the physical realm.
17th Apr '16 5:19:44 AM Leliel
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** It's been recently revealed the Old Gods ''also'' have Old God equivalents, the [[UltimateEvil Void]] [[DarkIsEvil Lords]]. They created the Old Gods as living weapons meant expressly for corrupting and killing the ''unborn children'' of Titans, since they find it difficult to manifest in the mortal realm; since the Titans use special planets as incubators and the Void Lords couldn't tell them from normal balls of rock, they sent out Old Gods to infest everywhere. It's also explained that [[SatanicArchetype Sargaeas]] is also an indirect creation of the Void Lords as well-after being forced to kill a corrupted Titan fetus and coming to believe that the Void Lords' ultimate victory was inevitable, he [[GoMadFromTheRevelation lost his mind]] and decided that in EvilVsOblivion, Oblivion was preferable to life under the Void Lords.


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** In ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV:Apocalypse'', those same gods are back as the Polytheist Alliance. And they are ''pissed''. [[spoiler:Late in the game, though, it's revealed that YHVH ''also'' has his own Old God; the Great Will he refers to is actually a separate being that ''hates'' him for his hubris, [[BigGood and is the reason you can tell both Law and Chaos to screw off in the series]].]]
14th Apr '16 3:32:04 PM ProfessorDetective
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** Marvel Cosmology is really loaded with this. Those Who Sit In The Shadows are this to Norse Gods. Elder Gods are this to all Earth Gods, Celestials Are This to Elder Gods and all gods worshiped by any race in the Universe and so-called Cube Beings (godlike beings that evolved from Cosmic Cubes) and their equals, Abstracts are this to everybody and Living Tribunal is this to Abstracts. Then we have beings like Primordial Gods, who are apparently older than Abstracts, Galactus who is older than them, coming from previous Universe and equal to Abstracts, several beings of various powers older than Galactus and Chaos King who is older than them all, being the previous Universe. Then we have bunch of beings like Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu, Stranger, Beyonder, and Nemesis who are hard to fit into cosmology, so in the end the only thing clear is that One-Above-All [[TopGod is this to everybody]].

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** Marvel Cosmology is really loaded with this. Those Who Sit In The Shadows are this to Norse Gods. Elder Gods are this to all Earth Gods, Celestials Are This to Elder Gods and all gods worshiped by any race in the Universe and so-called Cube Beings (godlike beings that evolved from Cosmic Cubes) and their equals, Abstracts are this to everybody and Living Tribunal is this to Abstracts. Then we have beings like Primordial Gods, who are apparently older than Abstracts, Galactus who is older than them, coming from previous Universe and equal to Abstracts, several beings of various powers older than Galactus and Chaos King who is older than them all, being the previous Universe. Then we have bunch of beings like Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu, Stranger, Beyonder, and Nemesis who are hard to fit into cosmology, so in the end the only thing clear is that the One-Above-All [[TopGod is this to everybody]].
14th Apr '16 3:31:49 PM ProfessorDetective
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* [[ComicBook/TheSandman The Endless]] - older than any god, respected by them all, personifications of most fundamental concepts, but not gods per se, as gods require faith and the Endless don't. They also seem to be above all nearly all godlike beings of the DCUniverse, although in the right situations, other personified entities like the Kindly Ones, Lucifer, and some others have the power to contend their influence.

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* [[ComicBook/TheSandman The Endless]] - older than any god, respected by them all, all of them, personifications of the most fundamental concepts, but not gods per se, as gods require faith and the Endless don't. They also seem to be above all nearly all godlike beings of the DCUniverse, although in the right situations, other personified entities like the Kindly Ones, Lucifer, and some others have the power to contend their influence.
7th Apr '16 5:57:25 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' side of this crossover gives us the C'Tan, gods that feed on the lifeforce of stars and are older than the more ancient lifeforms in the Galaxy, and the Chaos Gods, born from the emotions of sentient beings. The story happens because [[spoiler:the followers of the C'Tan found a way to wipe out the followers of the Chaos Gods.]]
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26th Mar '16 9:16:20 PM Vilui
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See DeathOfTheOldGods, for an explanation on why the older types may not be around anymore.

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See DeathOfTheOldGods, for an explanation on why the older types may not be around anymore.
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22nd Mar '16 12:05:41 PM VVK
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* "Creators" are separate from gods, and obviously came before them because they were responsible for creating the world. They only barely qualify for the plural; the Discworld had a singular main creator, but the continent of Xxxx was created later by a different Creator. The Creators might certainly be more powerful than gods too since they could build the whole world, but they're clearly more "demiurge" (or "craftsman") than "supreme being".

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* ** "Creators" are separate from gods, and obviously came before them because they were responsible for creating the world. They only barely qualify for the plural; the Discworld had a singular main creator, but the continent of Xxxx was created later by a different Creator. The Creators might certainly be more powerful than gods too since they could build the whole world, but they're clearly more "demiurge" (or "craftsman") than "supreme being".
22nd Mar '16 12:05:07 PM VVK
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* "Creators" are separate from gods, and obviously came before them because they were responsible for creating the world. They only barely qualify for the plural; the Discworld had a singular main creator, but the continent of Xxxx was created later by a different Creator. The Creators might certainly be more powerful than gods too since they could build the whole world, but they're clearly more "demiurge" (or "craftsman") than "supreme being".
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