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16th Mar '16 2:21:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* On ''Series/{{Justified}}'', a [[DirtyCop corrupt FBI agent]] working for mob boss Nicky Augustine chooses to kill himself rather than be arrested because he believes that merely being arrested will cause Nicky to have the agent's family killed. Nicky later threatens Raylan's family in order to get Raylan to give up a federal witness. Raylan believes him and knows that if he arrests Nicky, Nicky will make good on the threat. Instead, Raylan [[spoilergets a rival mob boss to kill Nicky]].

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* On ''Series/{{Justified}}'', a [[DirtyCop corrupt FBI agent]] working for mob boss Nicky Augustine chooses to kill himself rather than be arrested because he believes that merely being arrested will cause Nicky to have the agent's family killed. Nicky later threatens Raylan's family in order to get Raylan to give up a federal witness. Raylan believes him and knows that if he arrests Nicky, Nicky will make good on the threat. Instead, Raylan [[spoilergets [[spoiler:gets a rival mob boss to kill Nicky]].
18th Feb '16 8:47:52 AM RaiderDuck
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** In the ''Franchise/LawAndOrder'' episode "Old Friends," Stone gets a recalcitrant witness (who was nothing more than secretary who overheard key conversations) afraid of this very thing to testify by threatening to publicly announce her cooperation, then place her in a cell with a known female Russian Mafia assassin. The secretary testifies and makes Stone's case, but then is killed by an anonymous Russian hitman. Overcome with remorse, Stone resigns.
23rd Jan '16 12:22:30 PM nombretomado
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* Taken to the extreme in StevenSeagal vehicle ''Film/MarkedForDeath'', where one mook is so sure that his boss can't be taken down and so scared of him that he ''jumps out a window'' when cornered by Seagal rather than act as TheStoolPigeon. It's brought up even earlier in the movie, when the BigBad asks his mooks "Who do you fear more, him or me?" Their wordless reaction makes the answer perfectly clear.

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* Taken to the extreme in StevenSeagal Creator/StevenSeagal vehicle ''Film/MarkedForDeath'', where one mook is so sure that his boss can't be taken down and so scared of him that he ''jumps out a window'' when cornered by Seagal rather than act as TheStoolPigeon. It's brought up even earlier in the movie, when the BigBad asks his mooks "Who do you fear more, him or me?" Their wordless reaction makes the answer perfectly clear.
8th Jan '16 9:39:35 PM TeraChimera
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* Averted in ''Film/JohnWick''. [[TheMafiya Viggo]] might be scary, but [[TheDreaded John]] is scarier, to the point that Viggo himself is scared of him. Just to start, after [[OverlordJr Iosef]] steals John's car and takes it to Aurelio's shop to get new plates, papers, etc., Aurelio recognizes the car, freaks out, and punches Iosef in the face before telling him to get the car out of there. Iosef threatens to tell Viggo about this, but when Viggo calls Aurelio to ask why, Aurelio simply says, "He stole John Wick's car and killed his dog." Viggo ''immediately'' understands, drops the subject, and goes to berate Iosef for his stupidity.
30th Sep '15 3:32:14 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->''"No one's gonna tell you nuthin'. They're wise to your act. You got rules. The Joker, [[TheUnfettered he's got no rules]]. Nobody's gonna cross him for you."''

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->''"No one's gonna tell you nuthin'. They're wise to your act. You got rules. The Joker, [[TheUnfettered he's got no rules]].rules. Nobody's gonna cross him for you."''
13th Sep '15 7:21:49 PM Luigifan
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* During the Stardust Crusaders arc of ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'', this is the main reason why the heroes have so little information on the BigBad's stand. The most obvious example is Daniel J. D'Arby, who has a mental breakdown after being cornered to spill this information.
** The next arc demonstrates exactly ''what'' would have happened if he did talk, by the way; [[spoiler: Dio's implanted cells turn the Nijimura brothers' father into [[AndIMustScream an unkillable blob monster]] with almost no memories of his former life.]]
* In ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' (anime only) when Vash defeats ColdSniper Caine from [[QuirkyMiniBossSquad the Gung-Ho Guns]], he destroys Caine's rifle and gives Caine a chance to surrender. Caine, knowing his boss is a KillAllHumans type who loves pulling YouHaveFailedMe and YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness, responds by calmly drawing his backup pistol and shooting himself in the head without a word.

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* During the Stardust Crusaders arc of ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'', this is the main reason why the heroes have so little information on the BigBad's stand.Stand. The most obvious example is Daniel J. D'Arby, who has a mental breakdown after being cornered to spill this information.
** The next arc demonstrates exactly ''what'' would have happened if he did talk, by the way; [[spoiler: Dio's [[spoiler:Dio's implanted cells turn the Nijimura brothers' father into [[AndIMustScream an unkillable blob monster]] with almost no memories of his former life.]]
* In ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' (anime only) only), when Vash defeats ColdSniper Caine from [[QuirkyMiniBossSquad the Gung-Ho Guns]], he destroys Caine's rifle and gives Caine a chance to surrender. Caine, knowing his boss is a KillAllHumans type who loves pulling YouHaveFailedMe and YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness, responds by calmly drawing his backup pistol and shooting himself in the head without a word.



* Common in ''ComicBook/{{Diabolik}}'', with mooks and even ordinary citizens being often too scared by mob bosses to testify against them. To [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Ginko]], the only thing most frustrating than this when dealing with them is their tendency to piss off Diabolik, resulting in the worst criminal of Clerville either killing them or giving Ginko the evidence he needs.

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* Common in ''ComicBook/{{Diabolik}}'', with mooks and even ordinary citizens being often too scared by mob bosses to testify against them. To [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Ginko]], the only thing most more frustrating than this when dealing with them is their tendency to piss off Diabolik, resulting in the worst criminal of Clerville either killing them or giving Ginko the evidence he needs.



* ''FanFic/MassEffectHumanRevolution'': Whoever [[spoiler: Shepard's]] killer is working for, [[spoiler: Harkin]] thinks their wrath would be worse than anything C-SEC could do. [[spoiler: Considering double crossing the Alliance Black Ops could result in a bioroid ripping his head off, himself being replaced by one, or both, it's very justified]].

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* ''FanFic/MassEffectHumanRevolution'': Whoever [[spoiler: Shepard's]] [[spoiler:Shepard's]] killer is working for, [[spoiler: Harkin]] [[spoiler:Harkin]] thinks their wrath would be worse than anything C-SEC could do. [[spoiler: Considering double crossing [[spoiler:Considering double-crossing the Alliance Black Ops could result in a bioroid ripping his head off, himself being replaced by one, or both, it's very justified]].



** Sal Maroni spells this out for {{Franchise/Batman}} in ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Everyone, from ordinary citizens to hardened criminals, is more afraid of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker than of Batman. No one is going to give Batman information on the Joker, knowing what sort of reprisals would result. What makes this even more notable is that The Joker isn't even a mob boss. In fact, the mob thinks that he's working for them but they are STILL [[TheDreaded too terrified of him to give him up]].

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** Sal Maroni spells this out for {{Franchise/Batman}} in ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Everyone, from ordinary citizens to hardened criminals, is more afraid of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker than of Batman. No one is going to give Batman information on the Joker, knowing what sort of reprisals would result. What makes this even more notable is that The Joker isn't even a mob boss. In fact, the mob thinks that he's working for them them, but they are STILL ''still'' [[TheDreaded too terrified of him to give him up]].



* ''Film/ABronxTale'' has the InnocentBystander version. When the protagonist Calogero witnesses the neighborhood Mafia boss kill a man right in front of him at age 8, he doesn't tell the police anything both because of the street ethic of his neighborhood and out of fear. Later at confession he refuses to even tell the priest any details. When the priest encourages him not to be afraid because no one is more powerful than {{God}}, Calogero responds by saying "Your guy may be bigger than my guy up there, but my guy is bigger than your guy down here." The priest reluctantly concedes the point and gives up asking.

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* ''Film/ABronxTale'' has the InnocentBystander version. When the protagonist Calogero witnesses the neighborhood Mafia boss kill a man right in front of him at age 8, he doesn't tell the police anything both because of the street ethic of his neighborhood and out of fear. Later Later, at confession confession, he refuses to even tell the priest any details. When the priest encourages him not to be afraid because no one is more powerful than {{God}}, Calogero responds by saying "Your guy may be bigger than my guy up there, but my guy is bigger than your guy down here." The priest reluctantly concedes the point and gives up asking.



* Notably averted a few times in ''Film/{{Payback}}''. Several people tell main character Porter (an AntiHero who verges on being a VillainProtagonist) that [[TheSyndicate the Outfit]] will kill them if they talk to Porter. Porter's response is always the same; "What do you think ''I'm'' going to do to you? Worry about me."

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* Notably averted (or possibly ''inverted'') a few times in ''Film/{{Payback}}''. Several people tell main character Porter (an AntiHero who verges on being a VillainProtagonist) that [[TheSyndicate the Outfit]] will kill them if they talk to Porter. Porter's response is always the same; "What do you think ''I'm'' going to do to you? Worry about me."



* In ''Film/{{Timecop}}'', one of the BigBad's accomplices refuses to talk to the TimePolice, because the worse they'll do to him is execute him as he is now, while the BigBad can and will have him and his whole family RetGone if he talks.
* This seems to be the case in ''Film/TheUsualSuspects'' when Kujan brings up Keyser Söze and Verbal reacts with stark terror. [[spoiler: Subverted at the end when it's revealed that Verbal ''is'' Keyser Soze.]]

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* In ''Film/{{Timecop}}'', one of the BigBad's accomplices refuses to talk to the TimePolice, because the worse worst they'll do to him is execute him as he is now, while the BigBad can and will have him and his whole family RetGone if he talks.
* This seems to be the case in ''Film/TheUsualSuspects'' when Kujan brings up Keyser Söze and Verbal reacts with stark terror. [[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted at the end when it's revealed that Verbal ''is'' Keyser Soze.]]



* This is a recurring problem for the cops on ''Series/TheWire'' and with good reason, as many characters who decide to become witnesses end up dead. This is particularly evident in season 1, where in order to convict Barksdale enforcer Bird they have to have [[JustLikeRobinHood Omar]], (a criminal with a grudge against the Barksdale group) give an obviously false testimony because all the ''actual'' eye witnesses are unwilling to testify and risk being killed for it. (Bonus points: Bird is on trial for killing a witness who testified against another Barksdale member.)

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* This is a recurring problem for the cops on ''Series/TheWire'' and with good reason, as many characters who decide to become witnesses end up dead. This is particularly evident in season 1, where in order to convict Barksdale enforcer Bird Bird, they have to have [[JustLikeRobinHood Omar]], (a a criminal with a grudge against the Barksdale group) group, give an obviously false testimony because all the ''actual'' eye witnesses eyewitnesses are unwilling to testify and risk being killed for it. (Bonus points: Bird is on trial for killing a witness who testified against another Barksdale member.)



* On ''Series/{{Justified}}'' a [[DirtyCop corrupt FBI agent]] working for mob boss Nicky Augustine chooses to kill himself rather than be arrested because he believes that merely being arrested will cause Nicky to have the agent's family killed. Nicky later threatens Raylan's family in order to get Raylan to give up a federal witness. Raylan believes him and knows that if he arrests Nicky, Nicky will make good on the threat. Instead, Raylan [[spoiler: gets a rival mob boss to kill Nicky]].

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* On ''Series/{{Justified}}'' ''Series/{{Justified}}'', a [[DirtyCop corrupt FBI agent]] working for mob boss Nicky Augustine chooses to kill himself rather than be arrested because he believes that merely being arrested will cause Nicky to have the agent's family killed. Nicky later threatens Raylan's family in order to get Raylan to give up a federal witness. Raylan believes him and knows that if he arrests Nicky, Nicky will make good on the threat. Instead, Raylan [[spoiler: gets [[spoilergets a rival mob boss to kill Nicky]].



* An episode of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' has the former prison mate of a suspected serial killer wary of cooperating for fear of reprisals that the man can secure through his prison connections (which seem justified when he gets beaten in the yard). [[spoiler: It turns out that the prisoner is the serial killer, and [[BatmanGambit manipulated the suspect and the police]] in order to get himself out of prison.]]
* In the first episode of ''Series/{{Lexx}}'', an admiral in service to [[EvilOverlord His Divine Shadow]] orders his ship to follow the Lexx into a [[NegativeSpaceWedgie Fractal Core]] as per His Shadow's orders. When his subordinate warns him that doing so would likely kill them all, he replies that since he's never gone through a Fractal Core before, he does not know that with certainty. On the other hand, the admiral does know with certainty the [[YouHaveFailedMe fate of those who disobey His Shadow's direct orders]]. So into the Fractal Core they go.

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* An episode of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' has the former prison mate of a suspected serial killer wary of cooperating for fear of reprisals that the man can secure through his prison connections (which seem justified when he gets beaten in the yard). [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It turns out that the prisoner is the serial killer, and [[BatmanGambit manipulated the suspect and the police]] in order to get himself out of prison.]]
* In the first episode of ''Series/{{Lexx}}'', an admiral in service to [[EvilOverlord His Divine Shadow]] orders his ship to follow the Lexx into a [[NegativeSpaceWedgie Fractal Core]] as per His Shadow's orders. When his subordinate warns him that doing so would likely kill them all, he replies that since he's never gone through a Fractal Core before, he does not know that with certainty. On the other hand, the admiral does know with certainty the [[YouHaveFailedMe the fate of those who disobey His Shadow's direct orders]]. So into the Fractal Core they go.



* Averted and then played straight in ''Series/{{Elementary}}'' with Moriarty. After being arrested, Sebastian Moran provides occasional assistant to Sherlock in search for his mysterious employer. However, in a later episode, Moriarty tricks Sherlock into delivering a coded message to Moran, threatening Moran's sister if Moran doesn't kill himself. Moran goes back to his cell and smashes his head at the mirror repeatedly until he passes out. He gets a brain hemorrhage and is not expected to wake up. In this case, Moran wasn't afraid for himself, figuring he was tough enough to handle anyone Moriarty might send after him, but he did not expect the mastermind to find out he had loved ones.

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* Averted and then played straight in ''Series/{{Elementary}}'' with Moriarty. After being arrested, Sebastian Moran provides occasional assistant assistance to Sherlock in search for his mysterious employer. However, in a later episode, Moriarty tricks Sherlock into delivering a coded message to Moran, threatening Moran's sister if Moran doesn't kill himself. Moran goes back to his cell and smashes his head at the mirror repeatedly until he passes out. He gets a brain hemorrhage and is not expected to wake up. In this case, Moran wasn't afraid for himself, figuring he was tough enough to handle anyone Moriarty might send after him, but he did not expect the mastermind to find out he had loved ones.



* Justified in {{The Darkness II}} and doubles as an example of AsskickingEqualsAuthority. Jackie Estacado is not only the don of the most powerful mob in New York City, he's the host to a demonic EldritchAbomination, whose main powers include [[LovecraftianSuperpower sprouting fanged tentacles and tearing people to shred with them.]]
* There's an amusing scene in ''MaxPayne'' 3 when the hero, still clueless as to how law enforcement works down south, suggests they just ''arrest'' the corrupt politician dealing dope and [[spoiler: selling organs]]. Gee, why didn't the DEA think of that?

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* Justified in {{The Darkness II}} and doubles as an example of AsskickingEqualsAuthority. Jackie Estacado is not only the don of the most powerful mob in New York City, he's the host to a demonic EldritchAbomination, whose main powers include [[LovecraftianSuperpower sprouting fanged tentacles and tearing people to shred shreds with them.]]
* There's an amusing scene in ''MaxPayne'' 3 when the hero, still clueless as to how law enforcement works down south, suggests they just ''arrest'' the corrupt politician dealing dope and [[spoiler: selling [[spoiler:selling organs]]. Gee, why didn't the DEA think of that?
16th Jul '15 5:34:04 PM johnnyfog
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* Marty Peters in ''Film/TheHarveyGirls'' has a reputation as a difficult customer. He shot the previous blacksmith after his horse threw a shoe. Chris has [[OhCrap just been made the new blacksmith.]]
-->'''Alma:''' It's all based on circumstantial evidence.\\
'''Chris''': No witnesses?!\\
'''Alma''' Well, no one actually ''saw'' the bullet leave the gun.
24th Jun '15 4:54:23 PM __Vano
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops Barrier troops]] as a desperate measure. [[TheDreaded Stalin]] characterized his implementation of them at the critical moment of the war along the lines: "A soldier shall be choosing between a probable death ahead and a ''certain'' death behind."
2nd Jun '15 4:23:29 AM LongLiveHumour
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* In the ''LuckyLuke'' book "Billy The Kid", everyone is too scared of him to testify when he's arrested.

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* In the ''LuckyLuke'' ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'' book "Billy The Kid", everyone is too scared of him to testify when he's arrested.
12th May '15 10:19:28 AM ChronoLegion
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* Averted and then played straight in ''Series/{{Elementary}}'' with Moriarty. After being arrested, Sebastian Moran provides occasional assistant to Sherlock in search for his mysterious employer. However, in a later episode, Moriarty tricks Sherlock into delivering a coded message to Moran, threatening Moran's sister if Moran doesn't kill himself. Moran goes back to his cell and smashes his head at the mirror repeatedly until he passes out. He gets a brain hemorrhage and is not expected to wake up. In this case, Moran wasn't afraid for himself, figuring he was tough enough to handle anyone Moriarty might send after him, but he did not expect the mastermind to find out he had loved ones.
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