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30th Jul '16 11:13:55 AM SparkyLurkdragon
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* In ''SkiesOfArcadia'', Vyse can pull a moment like this near the game's end when [[spoiler:Ramirez attacks Crescent Isle]]. Vyse trades the {{Mac Guffin}}s that he's collected in exchange for his crew being left alone. Oddly enough, his enemy agrees.

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* In ''SkiesOfArcadia'', ''VideoGame/SkiesOfArcadia'', Vyse can pull a moment like this near the game's end when [[spoiler:Ramirez attacks Crescent Isle]]. Vyse trades the {{Mac Guffin}}s that he's collected in exchange for his crew being left alone. Oddly enough, his enemy agrees.
18th Jul '16 10:26:49 PM HeroGal2347
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* ''Series/TheATeam'': Hannibal Smith. In "Curtain Call", he surrenders to [[ArchEnemy Decker]] so they can get medical help for Murdock, who is critically injured. Possibly played with as [[ISurrenderSuckers the team proceeds to fake out Decker and drive away]]. Then in the fifth season, he confesses to a murder he didn't commit so the prosecutor won't go after Murdock.




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* Captain Kirk from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', being AFatherToHisMen, is always insistent on keeping them safe if possible. On a number of occasions[[note]]"The Squire of Gothos", "The Immunity Syndrome", "The Empath"[[/note]], he has wanted to pull a HeroicSacrifice (or even tried to do so) to ensure the well-being of his crew, and torturing ''them'' is generally a better strategy than torturing ''him''.
15th Apr '16 7:27:56 AM JackG
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* ''Series/{{Farscape}}''. Averted in "Nerve"; when a Peacekeeper base has a reactor meltdown, its commander is the first to head for a Prowler to escape (he's not the only one; Durka kills a junior officer and takes his uniform in an attempt to escape the destruction of the Zelbinion).
-->'''Chiana:''' But I thought the Commander was meant to be the last one to evacuate.
-->'''Commander Javio:''' It's funny; I believe just the opposite.
8th Feb '16 3:52:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''AlexanderTheGreat'' had an example where his men were desperately lacking drinking water after a forced march through desert. They assembled what they had, in a helmet, and gave it to their commander. Alexander dumped it out on the sand with the line, "There is not enough for everyone, and if I drink, the others will faint." This gave a huge boost to morale: "So extraordinary was the effect of this action," says Arrian, "that the water wasted by Alexander was as good as a drink for every man in the army."

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* ''AlexanderTheGreat'' UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat had an example where his men were desperately lacking drinking water after a forced march through desert. They assembled what they had, in a helmet, and gave it to their commander. Alexander dumped it out on the sand with the line, "There is not enough for everyone, and if I drink, the others will faint." This gave a huge boost to morale: "So extraordinary was the effect of this action," says Arrian, "that the water wasted by Alexander was as good as a drink for every man in the army."



* Sun Tzu, in ''TheArtOfWar'' considered this trope...less than ideal. While a general certainly shouldn't [[WeHaveReserves expend his men needlessly]], being ''too'' nice with them wasn't considered a good idea either because focusing too intently on the plight of the men tends to lead to battles being lost. Cultivating the image, persona, and reputation without actually BecomingTheMask, on the other hand, is encouraged; having soldiers that are willing to die for you has its benefits.

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* Sun Tzu, in ''TheArtOfWar'' ''Literature/TheArtOfWar'' considered this trope...less than ideal. While a general certainly shouldn't [[WeHaveReserves expend his men needlessly]], being ''too'' nice with them wasn't considered a good idea either because focusing too intently on the plight of the men tends to lead to battles being lost. Cultivating the image, persona, and reputation without actually BecomingTheMask, on the other hand, is encouraged; having soldiers that are willing to die for you has its benefits.
19th Dec '15 2:37:45 PM nombretomado
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* In AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[Literature/ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', after Salma meets some renegade Auxilliens, he deduces that one had been a sergeant, from the way he tried to protect his men.

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* In AdrianTchaikovsky's Creator/AdrianTchaikovsky's ''[[Literature/ShadowsOfTheApt Dragonfly Falling]]'', after Salma meets some renegade Auxilliens, he deduces that one had been a sergeant, from the way he tried to protect his men.
26th Nov '15 8:08:35 PM nombretomado
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* In SandyMitchell's DarkHeresy novel ''Innocence Proves Nothing'', although Drake would probably be better suited to retreat last from the mutant, Horst says that he's the leader and will be the last.

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* In SandyMitchell's Creator/SandyMitchell's DarkHeresy novel ''Innocence Proves Nothing'', although Drake would probably be better suited to retreat last from the mutant, Horst says that he's the leader and will be the last.
11th Nov '15 4:13:59 PM R1ck
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29th Oct '15 12:44:38 PM MAI742
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A [[AFatherToHisMen commanding officer]] insists that his men are the top priority. This is a rich source of conflict, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption as every commanding officer cares for a different group of men]]. The largest body generally takes overall priority, though a TheMenFirst approach by the smaller constituent units can lead to greater losses overall as per '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons the Tragedy of the Commons]]'.

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A [[AFatherToHisMen commanding officer]] insists that his men are the top priority. This is a rich source of conflict, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption as every commanding officer cares for a different group of men]]. The largest body generally takes overall priority, though a TheMenFirst [[MoralMyopia approach by by]] [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the smaller constituent units units]] can lead to greater losses overall as per '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons the Tragedy of the Commons]]'.



Note that this does not preclude [[WeHaveReservers ruthless expenditure of his men when necessary]], [[TheChainsOfCommanding just don't expect him to be happy about it]]. However, unlike the GloryHound he will never expend them to benefit himself and he will ''never'' waste them through incompetence as the ModernMajorGeneral or GeneralFailure might. Appeals to him to surrender may be made on the basis of ending his men's suffering, but might not succeed [[TheNeesOfTheMany if he cares enough for a bigger picture]] which demands a LastStand.

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Note that this does not preclude [[WeHaveReservers [[WeHaveReserves ruthless expenditure of his men when necessary]], [[TheChainsOfCommanding just don't expect him to be happy about it]]. However, unlike the GloryHound he will never expend them to benefit himself and he will ''never'' waste them through incompetence as the ModernMajorGeneral or GeneralFailure might. Appeals to him to surrender may be made on the basis of ending his men's suffering, but might not succeed [[TheNeesOfTheMany [[TheNeedsOfTheMany if he cares enough for a bigger picture]] which demands a LastStand.
29th Oct '15 12:43:02 PM MAI742
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A [[AFatherToHisMen commanding officer]] insists that his men are the top priority.

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A [[AFatherToHisMen commanding officer]] insists that his men are the top priority.
priority. This is a rich source of conflict, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption as every commanding officer cares for a different group of men]]. The largest body generally takes overall priority, though a TheMenFirst approach by the smaller constituent units can lead to greater losses overall as per '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons the Tragedy of the Commons]]'.



Note that this does not preclude his ruthlessly sending men to their deaths when the situation calls for it. He may explicitly say it is so that the men can ''fight''. The GloryHound may insist on his men's care off the field only to sacrifice them to his own glory. However, mostly this goes with a prudent unwillingness to [[WeHaveReserves expend his men to no effect]] -- which often doesn't go well with a higher ranking GloryHound or ModernMajorGeneral. Appeals to him to surrender may be made on the basis of ending his men's suffering, but only when he actually believes it, and thinks it worth it, will he call off the LastStand on these grounds. [[TheChainsOfCommanding Expect him to feel bad about it.]]

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Note that this does not preclude [[WeHaveReservers ruthless expenditure of his ruthlessly sending men to their deaths when necessary]], [[TheChainsOfCommanding just don't expect him to be happy about it]]. However, unlike the situation calls for it. He may explicitly say it is so that the men can ''fight''. The GloryHound may insist on his men's care off the field only to sacrifice he will never expend them to his own glory. However, mostly this goes with a prudent unwillingness to [[WeHaveReserves expend his men to no effect]] -- which often doesn't go well with a higher ranking GloryHound benefit himself and he will ''never'' waste them through incompetence as the ModernMajorGeneral or ModernMajorGeneral. GeneralFailure might. Appeals to him to surrender may be made on the basis of ending his men's suffering, but only when might not succeed [[TheNeesOfTheMany if he actually believes it, and thinks it worth it, will he call off the LastStand on these grounds. [[TheChainsOfCommanding Expect him to feel bad about it.]]
cares enough for a bigger picture]] which demands a LastStand.
21st Sep '15 12:29:07 PM Adeon
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** It's also played straight multiple times with Tagon demonstrating that when the chips are down he really does care about the people under his command. [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-10-16 This]] comic is a good example.
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