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25th Aug '17 9:38:45 AM BeerBaron
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** In ''[[Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city of Riften. Between using the ThievesGuild for coercion, having contacts within the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate). Maven has no problem burning down the competition (she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless). She so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl (if you support the Empire in the {{Civil War}} questline) its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.

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** In ''[[Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the Skyrim]]'':
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local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city of Riften. Between using the ThievesGuild for coercion, having contacts within the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate). Maven has no problem burning down the competition (she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless). She so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl (if you support the Empire in the {{Civil War}} questline) its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.position.
*** Molag Bal, Daedric Prince of [[TheCorrupter Domination and Corruption]] and MonsterProgenitor of vampires, serves as both this and a GreaterScopeVillain for the ''Dawnguard'' DLC. It was he who turned [[BigBad Lord Harkon]] into a pureblood vampire along with the rest of his family, thus giving rise to the Volkihar Clan in the first place. Being the progenitor of all vampires, it also makes him indirectly responsible for [[spoiler:Arch-Curate Vyrthur's]] corruption, which results in him creating the Prophecy of the Tyranny of the Sun which sets the plot of ''Dawnguard'' into motion. Essentially, he is the GreaterScopeVillain ''behind'' the Man Behind The Man.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline Online]]'', Molag Bal once again serves as this, this time to [[DragonWithAnAgenda Mannimarco]], though you're aware of it from the start.
24th Aug '17 7:54:49 AM RedScharlach
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** In [[{{Filler}} the Shusuke Amagai arc]], it's pressumed that Kumoi wants to kill Lurichiyo and control the Kasumioji clan, but then when the confrontation comes, Komoi, Amagai appears out of nowhere, kills him, kidnaps Lurichiyo, and then proceeds to let everyone know his plans to kill Yamamoto, and he used Kumoi and the entire Kasumioji clan to get his hands on a weapon that [[PowerNullifier somehow disables all but his zanpaktou so he could kill Yamamoto with it]].

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** In [[{{Filler}} the Shusuke Amagai arc]], it's pressumed presumed that Kumoi wants to kill Lurichiyo and control the Kasumioji clan, but then when the confrontation comes, Komoi, Amagai appears out of nowhere, kills him, kidnaps Lurichiyo, and then proceeds to let everyone know his plans to kill Yamamoto, and he used Kumoi and the entire Kasumioji clan to get his hands on a weapon that [[PowerNullifier somehow disables all but his zanpaktou so he could kill Yamamoto with it]].



* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' exaggerates this trope to absurd extremes, it's first revealed that [[StandardEvilOrganizationSquad Akatsuki]] is lead by a mysterious figure known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Pain]]. Some chapters and an important character death later, we find out that "Pain" is actually a [[PeoplePuppets collection of dead bodies controlled]] by a man named Nagato, who [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil once studied under the same sensei]] as Naruto. Then Nagato is actually being manipulated by a masked man known by the alias "Tobi" who claims to actually be the [[TheDreaded legendary shinobi known as Madara Uchiha]]. Later on, Tobi [[DeadPersonImpersonation isn't the real Madara Uchiha, but is actually a former leaf shinobi named Obito who used to be a student of Naruto's father and later turned evil.]] Then, it turns out Obito's [[AssimilationPlot "Moon's Eye Plan"]] was actually the real Madara's plan, and Obito was also supposed to bring Madara back to life to he become the jinchuuriki of the Ten Tails. [[GambitPileup But later we learn that Obito never had any intention of reviving Madara and himself using him in order to become the jinchuuriki of the Ten Tails]]. But then, turn out they both was being manipulated the entire time by Black Zetsu, a mysterious member of Akatsuki and a being that Madara thought he himself had created to carry out his will. And Black Zetsu? He's actually carrying out the will of Princess Kaguya, an ancient [[PhysicalGod Physical Goddess]] whom the current shinobi clans are descended from and who created Black Zetsu centuries ago right before she was [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] to ensure that she would be revived. And ''then'' [[OverlyLongGag okay, just kidding.]]

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' exaggerates this trope to absurd extremes, it's extremes. It's first revealed that [[StandardEvilOrganizationSquad Akatsuki]] is lead by a mysterious figure known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Pain]]. Some chapters and an important character death later, we find out that "Pain" is actually a [[PeoplePuppets collection of dead bodies controlled]] by a man named Nagato, who [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil once studied under the same sensei]] as Naruto. Then Nagato is actually being manipulated by a masked man known by the alias "Tobi" who claims to actually be the [[TheDreaded legendary shinobi known as Madara Uchiha]]. Later on, Tobi [[DeadPersonImpersonation isn't the real Madara Uchiha, but is actually a former leaf shinobi named Obito who used to be a student of Naruto's father and later turned evil.]] Then, it turns out Obito's [[AssimilationPlot "Moon's Eye Plan"]] was actually the real Madara's plan, and Obito was also supposed to bring Madara back to life to he become the jinchuuriki of the Ten Tails. [[GambitPileup But later we learn that Obito never had any intention of reviving Madara and himself using him in order to become the jinchuuriki of the Ten Tails]]. But then, turn out they both was being manipulated the entire time by Black Zetsu, a mysterious member of Akatsuki and a being that Madara thought he himself had created to carry out his will. And Black Zetsu? He's actually carrying out the will of Princess Kaguya, an ancient [[PhysicalGod Physical Goddess]] whom the current shinobi clans are descended from and who created Black Zetsu centuries ago right before she was [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] to ensure that she would be revived. And ''then'' [[OverlyLongGag okay, just kidding.]]



* This is implied near the end of ''Manga/FruitsBasket'', after Akito's HeelFaceTurn, the 'man' in question being the Sohma family elders, who criticize Akito for not emotionally destroying the members of the Zodiac..

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* This is implied near the end of ''Manga/FruitsBasket'', after Akito's HeelFaceTurn, the 'man' in question being the Sohma family elders, who criticize Akito for not emotionally destroying the members of the Zodiac..Zodiac.



* ''Film/TheGodfather'' movies constantly employs this trope. Don Barzini is the man behind Solozzo and Tatagglia. Hyman Roth is the man behind the Rosato brothers. Dons Altobello and Lucchesi are the men behind Joey Zasa.

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* ''Film/TheGodfather'' movies constantly employs employ this trope. Don Barzini is the man behind Solozzo and Tatagglia. Hyman Roth is the man behind the Rosato brothers. Dons Altobello and Lucchesi are the men behind Joey Zasa.



* It's already known from the beginning that Tarkan in ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' is the one causing the mortok chieftain to be so hateful and keeping the elves as his slaves. It's not known however that the power hungry king from a land in the north is controlling him again until later...

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* It's already known from the beginning that Tarkan in ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'' is the one causing the mortok Mortok chieftain to be so hateful and keeping the elves as his slaves. It's not known however that the power hungry power-hungry king from a land in the north is controlling him again until later...



* In the ''Literature/{{Shannara}}'' series, the Warlock Lord is the BigBad of the first book (''The Sword of Shannara'') and its prequel (''First King of Shannara''), and is considered to have been the Biggest individual Bad in the setting's history. In ''The Wishsong of Shannara'', some of his former minions learn sorcery themselves and turn into creatures called Mord Wraiths, who are collectively the new BigBad. Except that's not how it works. The Warlock Lord was actually in the thrall of the Ildatch, an ancient, intelligent tome of BlackMagic that ''wants'' people to use it, and will latch onto anyone with enough magical talent to make use of its spells, only to abandon them when they're defeated and/or someone better comes along. The Warlock Lord had it, and the Mord Wraiths took it after he died, and in both cases those who used the book became little more than husks that existed solely to use its powers. It's implied that the Ildatch has been doing this for ''milennia''. Finally, when ''Wishsong's'' heroine Brin Ohmsford arrived to destroy it and the Mord Wraiths, it latched onto her and tried to turn her into a DarkMessiah, which would have worked if her brother hadn't snapped her out of it, at which point Brin used her magic to burn the Ildatch to ash. Good riddance.

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* In the ''Literature/{{Shannara}}'' series, the Warlock Lord is the BigBad of the first book (''The Sword of Shannara'') and its prequel (''First King of Shannara''), and is considered to have been the Biggest individual Bad in the setting's history. In ''The Wishsong of Shannara'', some of his former minions learn sorcery themselves and turn into creatures called Mord Wraiths, who are collectively the new BigBad. Except that's not how it works. The Warlock Lord was actually in the thrall of the Ildatch, an ancient, intelligent tome of BlackMagic that ''wants'' people to use it, and will latch onto anyone with enough magical talent to make use of its spells, only to abandon them when they're defeated and/or someone better comes along. The Warlock Lord had it, and the Mord Wraiths took it after he died, and in both cases those who used the book became little more than husks that existed solely to use its powers. It's implied that the Ildatch has been doing this for ''milennia''.''millennia''. Finally, when ''Wishsong's'' heroine Brin Ohmsford arrived to destroy it and the Mord Wraiths, it latched onto her and tried to turn her into a DarkMessiah, which would have worked if her brother hadn't snapped her out of it, at which point Brin used her magic to burn the Ildatch to ash. Good riddance.



** The races that formed the [[LegionOfDoom Alliance]] in "The Pandorica Opens"/"The Big Bang" were apparently manipulated by the Silents, who wouldn't even appear till next series.
** In Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine in "The Glorious Dead" it is revealed Cardinal Morningstar is Sato Katsura and he is working for the Master.

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** The races that formed the [[LegionOfDoom Alliance]] in "The Pandorica Opens"/"The Big Bang" were apparently manipulated by the Silents, Silence, who wouldn't even appear till next series.
the following season.
** In Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine, in "The Glorious Dead" it is revealed Cardinal Morningstar is Sato Katsura and he is working for the Master.



* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': While it was not exactly a secret, Weyoun served as this with Damar in the last two seasons of . While Damar became the Leader of Cardassia after Dukat's capture, he served as nothing more than a puppet for Weyoun. Also from [= DS9 =], Quark's mother Ishka becomes this for Grand Nagus Zek.

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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': While it was not exactly a secret, Weyoun served as this with Damar in the last two seasons of . seasons. While Damar became the Leader leader of Cardassia after Dukat's capture, he served as nothing was little more than a puppet for Weyoun. Also from [= DS9 =], [=DS9=], Quark's mother Ishka becomes this for Grand Nagus Zek.



* HumongousMecha MassiveMultiplayerCrossover ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' had as it's BigBad an OriginalGeneration character named Euzeth Gozzo. At the end of ''Alpha'', there's an extended sequence where Euzeth explains how was behind everything (and keep in mind that he's an OriginalGeneration character in a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover). A couple of times a character asks Euzeth if he was behind something that happened in their series, and he goes "That was me as well!"[[note]]"''"Sore mo watashi da"'' in Japanese[[/note]] This phrase and the character himself quickly went [[Memes/VideoGames memetic]] among the Japanese fanbase. Years later, the makers of ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' created a series called ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'', starring all the OriginalGeneration characters from other ''Super Robot Wars'' games. In ''2nd Super Robot Wars Original Generations''. Euzeth Gozzo appears again and at this point he's fully an AscendedMeme. He makes ''another'' long speech about how he was behind everything in the ''Original Generation'' setting and he says "It was me!" many times.

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* HumongousMecha MassiveMultiplayerCrossover ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' had as it's its BigBad an OriginalGeneration character named Euzeth Gozzo. At the end of ''Alpha'', there's an extended sequence where Euzeth explains how was behind everything (and keep in mind that he's an OriginalGeneration character in a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover). A couple of times a character asks Euzeth if he was behind something that happened in their series, and he goes "That was me as well!"[[note]]"''"Sore mo watashi da"'' in Japanese[[/note]] This phrase and the character himself quickly went [[Memes/VideoGames memetic]] among the Japanese fanbase. Years later, the makers of ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' created a series called ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'', starring all the OriginalGeneration characters from other ''Super Robot Wars'' games. In ''2nd Super Robot Wars Original Generations''. Euzeth Gozzo appears again and at this point he's fully an AscendedMeme. He makes ''another'' long speech about how he was behind everything in the ''Original Generation'' setting and he says "It was me!" many times.
22nd Aug '17 9:06:06 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', one Imperial-aligned character mentions in passing that [[BigBad Mehrunes Dagon]], the [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of Destruction and Change, was involved in Jagar Tharn's attempt to overthrow Emperor Uriel VII in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]''.
* In ''Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', the local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city. Between using the Thieves Guild for muscle, having contacts within the Dark Brotherhood for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate. She has no problem burning down the competition, mind, but she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless) she so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', one Imperial-aligned character mentions in passing that [[BigBad Mehrunes Dagon]], the [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
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of Destruction and Change, was involved in Jagar Tharn's attempt to overthrow Emperor Uriel VII in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]''.
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Arena]]'', [[EvilSorcerer Jagar]] [[EvilChancellor Tharn]], is revealed in later works to have been the pawn of Mehrunes Dagon, the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[DestroyerDeity Destruction]]. Dagon himself serves as the BigBad of the ''Battlespire'' DungeonCrawl spin-off game and of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''. As later revealed in an [[AllThereInTheManual out-of-game]] [[WordOfGod developer-written]] "[[LooseCanon Obscure Text]]", Dagon is himself a pawn of the even GreaterScopeVillain, Alduin, the [[DragonsAreDivine draconic]] BeastOfTheApocalypse.
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In ''Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', ''[[Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city. city of Riften. Between using the Thieves Guild ThievesGuild for muscle, coercion, having contacts within the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood Brotherhood]] for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate. She legitimate). Maven has no problem burning down the competition, mind, but she'll competition (she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless) she regardless). She so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl (if you support the Empire in the {{Civil War}} questline) its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.
20th Aug '17 8:16:37 PM Akaihiryuu
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** It's also revealed in the series that this is the way Ferengi are supposed to seize power. They really frown on just killing the leader for a KlingonPromotion. They're supposed to undermine the current leader's power base, and accumulate power and wealth behind the scenes until they can financially humiliate the leader and depose them.
16th Aug '17 2:06:57 AM azbyc15243
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* The Bright Cross Disaster Prevention Foundation is set up as the main antagonist for the first two volumes of ''Literature/MyVampireOlderSisterAndZombieLittleSister''. After its [[CreatureHunterOrganisation true nature]] is revealed to the world, it turns out that it was no more than a cover for [[spoiler:the Absolute Noah project]].



* In ''Videogame/TheElderScrollsIVSkyrim'', the local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city. Between using the Thieves Guild for muscle, having contacts within the Dark Brotherhood for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate. She has no problem burning down the competition, mind, but she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless) she so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.

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* In ''Videogame/TheElderScrollsIVSkyrim'', ''Videogame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', the local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city. Between using the Thieves Guild for muscle, having contacts within the Dark Brotherhood for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate. She has no problem burning down the competition, mind, but she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless) she so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.
11th Aug '17 7:18:21 PM Njein
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*** Doesn't stop there. Shao Kahn and Onaga are both said to be manipulated by the One Being. The immortal omnipotent being that existed before the realms were created, that battled the Elder Gods before time. As he couldn't be defeated, the Elder Gods shattered his existence using a powerful weapon, and used it to create the realms before he could reform. The One Being is now essentially all reality, and his conscious exists within everyone. The only way for him to return is to merge the realms together, of which Shao Kahn and Onaga subconsciously try to do.
*** [[spoiler: In ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'', Shinnok's arcade ending reveals that the fallen Elder God was being manipulated by the One Being into merging the realms from behind the scenes.]]

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*** Doesn't stop there. [[spoiler:Shinnok]], Shao Kahn Kahn, and Onaga are both all said to be manipulated by the One Being. The immortal omnipotent being that existed before the realms were created, that battled the Elder Gods before time. As he couldn't be defeated, the Elder Gods shattered his existence using a powerful weapon, and used it to create the realms before he could reform. The One Being is now essentially all reality, and his conscious exists within everyone. The only way for him to return is to merge the realms together, of which Shao Kahn and Onaga together by subconsciously try to do.
manipulating powerful beings such as [[spoiler:Shinnok]], Shao Kahn, and Onaga in their conquests.
*** [[spoiler: In ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'', Shinnok's arcade ending reveals that the fallen Elder God was being manipulated by the One Being into merging the realms from behind the scenes.scenes, just as it did with Onaga and Shao Kahn.]]
10th Aug '17 2:48:26 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** In the anime, Archduke Gorgon was apparently a Dr. Hell's ally. In the last chapters we learnt he was a DragonWithAnAgenda was working for a BiggerBad, Great General of Darkness/Ankoku Daishogun. Likewise...

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** In the anime, Archduke Gorgon was apparently a Dr. Hell's ally. In the last chapters we learnt he was a DragonWithAnAgenda was working for a BiggerBad, Great General of Darkness/Ankoku Daishogun. Likewise...



** In ''Literature/ColdDays'' an entity called Nemesis is revealed to have possibly been the Man Behind The Man to the Black Council, and the BiggerBad of the entire series. It is an [[EldritchAbomination Outsider that can infect people's minds]], and is responsible for pretty much everything that's transpired so far, much of which Harry had previously attributed to the Black Council. The exact relationship between Nemesis and the Black Council remains unclear; it could be an organization that has been influenced by Nemesis, or they could be attempting to use it to further their own ends, or there may not even ''be'' a Black Council as such.

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** In ''Literature/ColdDays'' an entity called Nemesis is revealed to have possibly been the Man Behind The Man to the Black Council, and the BiggerBad of the entire series.Council. It is an [[EldritchAbomination Outsider that can infect people's minds]], and is responsible for pretty much everything that's transpired so far, much of which Harry had previously attributed to the Black Council. The exact relationship between Nemesis and the Black Council remains unclear; it could be an organization that has been influenced by Nemesis, or they could be attempting to use it to further their own ends, or there may not even ''be'' a Black Council as such.



** The Prime-Time Premiere of the second season reveals that Lord Zedd was Rita's BigBoss, by imprisoning her in another dumpster but he was only the trope to the humans (viewers or in-universe). Zordon and Goldar (and it's implied the same to the other non-humans in the series) already knew Zedd was Rita's "lord and master" and was just too busy conquering other worlds prior to his debut, making him a BiggerBad in their perspective.

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** The Prime-Time Premiere of the second season reveals that Lord Zedd was Rita's BigBoss, by imprisoning her in another dumpster but he was only the trope to the humans (viewers or in-universe). Zordon and Goldar (and it's implied the same to the other non-humans in the series) already knew Zedd was Rita's "lord and master" and was just too busy conquering other worlds prior to his debut, making him a BiggerBad in their perspective.debut.



** Cult Classic ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' perhaps subverts this formula most successfully. Yes, the Shinra Corporation quickly proves to be less fatal than [[BigBad Sephiroth]]. And yes, Sephiroth couldn't have gotten to be what he was without them, [[MadScientist Hojo]] and [[EldritchAbomination Jenova]]. But Sephiroth doesn't bother with manipulating Shinra, nor is Shinra delusional enough to attempt the same, and Shinra manages to stay a serious threat to the heroes right up to the end while [[BiggerBad Hojo and Jenova usually keep to the sidelines]].

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** Cult Classic ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' perhaps subverts this formula most successfully. Yes, the Shinra Corporation quickly proves to be less fatal than [[BigBad Sephiroth]]. And yes, Sephiroth couldn't have gotten to be what he was without them, [[MadScientist Hojo]] and [[EldritchAbomination Jenova]]. But Sephiroth doesn't bother with manipulating Shinra, nor is Shinra delusional enough to attempt the same, and Shinra manages to stay a serious threat to the heroes right up to the end while [[BiggerBad Hojo and Jenova usually keep to the sidelines]].sidelines.



* Zigzagged by ''VideoGame/MageGauntlet''. Hidden notes in several levels suggest the existence of a much more powerful demon than Hurgoth: Uamuleth, the deity of the Ashen Cult. He's the boss of the Cult's levels, and he's insulted by the notion that Hurgoth sent him to wreak havoc. When defeated, however, he drops the same crystal tether as the other Dark Realm bosses, indicating that Hurgoth really did send him. [[spoiler:Ultimately averted: Uamuleth is a Bigger Bad whose cult has nothing to do with the rest of the plot, Hurgoth is just an unintimidating gatekeeper, and the real Big Bad, Whitebeard, has no affiliation with either. It's never revealed whether or not Uamuleth is Hurgoth's boss, however.]]
* [[spoiler: Meden Traore]], in addition to being the BiggerBad of the story, is also revealed to be the true leader of Oros Phlox in ''VideoGame/ProjectXZone''. [[spoiler: Byaku Shin]] is also this to Saya and Sheath in the second game.

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* Zigzagged by ''VideoGame/MageGauntlet''. Hidden notes in several levels suggest the existence of a much more powerful demon than Hurgoth: Uamuleth, the deity of the Ashen Cult. He's the boss of the Cult's levels, and he's insulted by the notion that Hurgoth sent him to wreak havoc. When defeated, however, he drops the same crystal tether as the other Dark Realm bosses, indicating that Hurgoth really did send him. [[spoiler:Ultimately averted: Uamuleth is a Bigger Bad whose cult has nothing to do with the rest of the plot, Hurgoth is just an unintimidating gatekeeper, and the real Big Bad, Whitebeard, has no affiliation with either. It's never revealed whether or not Uamuleth is Hurgoth's boss, however.]]
* [[spoiler: Meden Traore]], in addition to being the BiggerBad of the story, Traore]] is also revealed to be the true leader of Oros Phlox in ''VideoGame/ProjectXZone''. [[spoiler: Byaku Shin]] is also this to Saya and Sheath in the second game.
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* Taken UpToEleven in ''[[VideoGame/WildARMs3 Wild ARMs 3]]''. The first villain presented is Janus, who has [[spoiler:the three prophets]] behind him. Then, you find the man behind ''them'': [[spoiler:the metal demon Siegfried from [[VideoGame/WildARMs1 the original game]]]]. After he's defeated, yet ''another'' example pops up in [[spoiler:the dream demon Beatrice]], who has been behind [[spoiler:the Order of the Ark of Destiny, Shane, and by extension ''the player'']] all along!
31st Jul '17 7:39:57 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In ''WatershipDown'', the antagonist rabbits from Efrafa corner the fierce fighting rabbit Bigwig, and are dismayed as he reveals that he is not the warren leader, but is defending the burrow at the orders of his chief -- whom they assume must be even larger and stronger than he is. They're wrong -- Hazel came by his authority and Bigwig's loyalty by being wiser, not stronger.

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* In ''WatershipDown'', ''Literature/WatershipDown'', the antagonist rabbits from Efrafa corner the fierce fighting rabbit Bigwig, and are dismayed as he reveals that he is not the warren leader, but is defending the burrow at the orders of his chief -- whom they assume must be even larger and stronger than he is. They're wrong -- Hazel came by his authority and Bigwig's loyalty by being wiser, not stronger.



** Sauron's also heavily implied or outright stated to be the man behind Angmar, several barbarian invasions of Gondor, and at least one plague. He did a lot to weaken his enemies before revealing himself openly a few decades prior to [[LordOfTheRings LOTR]].

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** Sauron's also heavily implied or outright stated to be the man behind Angmar, several barbarian invasions of Gondor, and at least one plague. He did a lot to weaken his enemies before revealing himself openly a few decades prior to [[LordOfTheRings [[Literature/LordOfTheRings LOTR]].
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Tywin Lannister has twice served as Hand of the King: first to Aerys Targaryen and secondly to his grandson Joffrey. His reign as Hand is seen (in-verse) as a time of prosperity, despite "The Mad King". He was also the true architect of the Red Wedding, by guaranteeing the Freys protection from retribution.
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