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18th Jun '18 1:15:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in the first six ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies: to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In the new trilogy, starting with ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Snoke appears to play this role to Kylo Ren, General Hux, and the baddies of the First Order. There's also a [[WildMassGuessing theory]] that [[TheScrappy Jar Jar Binks]] serves as either this or as a GreaterScopeVillain to Palpatine.

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* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in the first six prequel ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies: movies, where his minions are doing his dirty work for him while he remains in the shadows himself, such that for the longest time the Jedi Order is unsure whether the mysterious Sith Lord even exists: he's the benefactor to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', and to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In the new trilogy, starting along with ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Snoke appears to play this role to Kylo Ren, General Hux, Grievous in the latter. However, in the original trilogy there's no doubt or subterfuge involved about his status; he's clearly and openly the baddies evil ruler of the First Order. There's also a [[WildMassGuessing theory]] that [[TheScrappy Jar Jar Binks]] serves as either this or as a GreaterScopeVillain to Palpatine.Galactic Empire, he's just more of an OrcusOnHisThrone than an active BigBad.
9th Jun '18 6:17:15 PM YesnoYes
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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'', you spend the vast majority of the game chasing Edea; tragic [[BackStory back stories]] and conflicting emotions all come in to play about defeating your old mother-figure. But once you beat her, it turns out that your ''real'' enemy is a sorceress from the future who was controlling Edea. (Some fans criticize this as an AssPull to make the game longer, although it's actually foreshadowed as early as Edea's NewEraSpeech on disc 1.)

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** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'', you spend the vast majority a large portion of the game chasing Edea; tragic [[BackStory back stories]] and conflicting emotions all come in to play about defeating your old mother-figure. But once you beat her, it turns out that your ''real'' enemy is a sorceress from the future who was controlling Edea. (Some fans criticize this as an AssPull to make the game longer, although it's actually foreshadowed as early as Edea's NewEraSpeech on disc 1.)
4th Jun '18 1:57:11 PM WillKeaton
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*** The local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city of Riften. Between using the ThievesGuild for coercion, having contacts within the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] for assassination, being personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate). Maven has no problem burning down the competition (she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless). She so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl (if you support the Empire in the {{Civil War}} questline) its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.

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*** The local crime boss Maven Black-Briar is effectively in charge of the city of Riften. Between using She uses the ThievesGuild for coercion, having haa contacts within the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] for assassination, being is personal friends with the local Jarl/Governor (which appears to be an actual friendship; one Maven exploits without a second thought, but an actual friendship nonetheless), and running runs a very profitable meadery (which, much like her friendship, seems to be quite legitimate). Maven has no problem burning down the competition (she'll make an offer before doing that and Black-Briar mead seems quite popular through Skyrim regardless). She so effectively controls the city that when she becomes Jarl (if you support the Empire in the {{Civil War}} questline) its treated like little more than a formal acknowledgement of her position.
4th Jun '18 1:55:45 PM WillKeaton
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4th Jun '18 1:53:41 PM WillKeaton
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' (''Final Fantasy 2'' in the US) runs wild with this. The initial evil of King Baron turns out to have been facilitated by Golbez, who assumes the series' role of BigBad. Then it turns out HE was acting at the behest of another Lunarian, Zemus, who is thus the man behind the man behind the man. There's yet ANOTHER layer to the BigBad onion in the form of Zeromus, but as the incarnation of Zemus' hatred, it's not quite another man-behind-the-man layer. Several times, the main antagonist was set up as described above, or has even been on the losing end of a ManBehindTheMan moment, only to take the reins from his supposed master. ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' was a hallmark in the series because Kefka, the BigBad, appeared very early on and made appearances through the game. While he was serving an Emperor during his initial appearance, a later plot twist had him kill said leader and [[AGodAmI become a god]].

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' (''Final Fantasy 2'' in the US) runs wild with this. The initial evil of King Baron turns out to have been facilitated by Golbez, who assumes the series' game's role of BigBad. Then it turns out HE was acting at the behest of another Lunarian, Zemus, who is thus the man behind the man behind the man. There's yet ANOTHER layer to the BigBad onion in the form of Zeromus, but as the incarnation of Zemus' hatred, it's not quite another man-behind-the-man layer. Several times, the main antagonist was set up as described above, or has even been on the losing end of a ManBehindTheMan moment, only to take the reins from his supposed master. ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' was a hallmark in the series because Kefka, the BigBad, appeared very early on and made appearances through the game. While he was serving an Emperor during his initial appearance, a later plot twist had him kill said leader and [[AGodAmI become a god]].
2nd Jun '18 8:42:08 AM ZimFan89
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* ''Series/StrangerThings'': The Demogorgon, the main threat from the [[EldritchLocation Upside Down]] in Season 1 is revealed in Season 2 to have merely been an attack dog of the true threat, [[EldritchAbomination the Mind Flayer]].
17th May '18 6:55:48 AM LondonKdS
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* ''ComicBook/DCComicsBombshells'' did an onion-like multilayered version of this, with practically every villain revealed to be a tool of someone else who turned out to be a tool of someone else and so on. The final BigBad who almost all the villains had been consciously serving, or manipulated by, was revealed to be, of all people, [[spoiler:Faora Hu-Ul]].
28th Apr '18 10:15:01 PM nombretomado
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%%* In ''{{Gundam 00}}'', who would've thought that Ribbons Almarck was manipulating Alejandro Corner?
%%** Which was a ShoutOut to ''ZetaGundam'' with Paptimus Scirocco playing Jamitov and Bosque for fools.

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%%* In ''{{Gundam 00}}'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', who would've thought that Ribbons Almarck was manipulating Alejandro Corner?
%%** Which was a ShoutOut to ''ZetaGundam'' ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' with Paptimus Scirocco playing Jamitov and Bosque for fools.
5th Apr '18 9:19:20 AM ReddishGuy1
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* ''Franchise/SuperSentai'':
** Two thirds of the way through ''Series/JAKQDengekitai'', it's revealed that [[DiabolicalMastermind Boss Iron Claw]], the man initially thought to be the leader of CRIME, is actually TheDragon to a mysterious entity called Shine.
** In ''Series/TaiyouSentaiSunVulcan'', it's revealed in the last few episodes that the leader of Black Magma, [[BigBad Fuhrer Hell Saturn]] was receiving orders from [[BrainInAJar the Omnipotent God]], the deity of the Black Magma cult, all along. The Omnipotent God had previously popped up before in episode 5, but its influence wasn't revealed until towards the end.
** It's revealed in ''Series/ChikyuuSentaiFiveman'' that the leader of the Zone Empire, Galactic Empress Meadow, is actually an illusion created by [[TheDogWasTheMastermind Zone's flagship]], Vulgyre. The real Meadow whom the illusion was based was [[GoodAllAlong never evil]].
** In ''Series/GoseiSentaiDairanger'', Lieutenant Colonel Shadam was the one responsible for the Gorma Tribe's reemergence, having remade all their members out of clay dolls. It's also revealed at the end that Shadam is himself a clay doll created by the original Shadam.
** In ''Series/GekisouSentaiCarranger'', Exhaus is the one behind the Bowzock's ambitions to destroy the Earth, having told their leader Gynamo that he could amass good luck by blowing it up.
** ''Series/MiraiSentaiTimeranger'' reveals Captain Ryuya to be the true BigBad, having masterminded the events of the series and allowed the Londerz Family to escape to [[ItsAllAboutMe keep himself from dying]].
** In ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger'', it's revealed some time after [[BigBad Yogostein]]'s death that he was receiving orders from his father, Yogoshimacritein, all along.
** Brajira in ''Series/TensouSentaiGoseiger'' manages to be this to ''all three'' of the series' villain organizations, having manipulated all of them to further his own goals.
31st Mar '18 8:14:52 PM zequeins
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* Big Mom is one of the four strongest pirates in ''Manga/OnePiece'', a tyrant in the New World who, along with her children and other allies, can eliminate the armies of entire countries and get them to submit to her. She was not always like this though--she was always incredibly strong, but she was once kind-hearted. Who made her that way? It's [[spoiler:Streusen, a no-name cook]] who decided he would use her raw strength to achieve his own goals of being in control of people. [[spoiler:He met Big Mom when she was still a child and has since effortlessly manipulated her actions so that she would become the conqueror she is at the present while he stays free of suspicion as her head chef.]]

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Mom is one of the four strongest pirates in ''Manga/OnePiece'', a tyrant in the New World who, along with her children and other allies, can eliminate the armies of entire countries and get them to submit to her. She was not always like this though--she was always incredibly strong, but she was once kind-hearted. Who made her that way? It's [[spoiler:Streusen, a no-name cook]] who decided he would use her raw strength to achieve his own goals of being in control of people. [[spoiler:He met Big Mom when she was still a child and has since effortlessly manipulated her actions so that she would become the conqueror she is at the present while he stays free of suspicion as her head chef.]]]]
** Donquixote Doflamingo is a major underworld figure, supplying weapons left and right, having moles here and there, and even have enough political leverage to get the [[AristocratsAreEvil World Nobles]] to do him favors now and then. He also ate Ito Ito no Mi, allowing him to produce threads which can be used as RazorFloss and play PeoplePuppets. [[spoiler:[[VisualPun He's the man pulling the strings, figuratively and literally.]]]]
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