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3rd May '16 4:11:37 PM ReddishGuy1
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* When [[DangerousDeserter Talzo]] returns in ''Webcomic/KirbyAdventure'', he brings along several other baddies to back him up in his fight against the Kirby Adventure Squad. While at first appearing to be the leader of the group, he is soon revealed to be the TheDragon to an as of yet [[HiddenVillain unseen entity]] who also seems determined to take down the squad.
3rd May '16 3:28:14 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Dark in ''Manga/AsuNoYoichi'' is introduced as a self-aware puppet serving the current Torikago clan leader who is set up to be the apparent BigBad. When the leader is swayed by Yoichi's kind words, Dark reveals her true nature: she is the one who has been keeping the Torikago clan's hatred towards the Karasuma clan alive for generations. Dark turns against her supposed master, stating that she has no right to forgive the Karasuma clan after her ancestors devoted their entire lives to hating them.

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* Dark in ''Manga/AsuNoYoichi'' ''Manga/SamuraiHaremAsuNoYoichi'' is introduced as a self-aware puppet serving the current Torikago clan leader who is set up to be the apparent BigBad. When the leader is swayed by Yoichi's kind words, Dark reveals her true nature: she is the one who has been keeping the Torikago clan's hatred towards the Karasuma clan alive for generations. Dark turns against her supposed master, stating that she has no right to forgive the Karasuma clan after her ancestors devoted their entire lives to hating them.
2nd May '16 2:33:47 AM Mhazard
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Rarely involves TheMan.

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Rarely involves TheMan.
TheMan, unless he was the one who created the personified conceptual authority on the first place.
1st May '16 6:24:35 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in the first six ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies: to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In the new trilogy, starting with ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Snoke appears to play this role to Kylo Ren, General Hux, and the baddies of the First Order.

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* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in the first six ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies: to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In the new trilogy, starting with ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Snoke appears to play this role to Kylo Ren, General Hux, and the baddies of the First Order. There's also a [[WildMassGuessing theory]] that [[TheScrappy Jar Jar Binks]] serves as either this or as a GreaterScopeVillain to Palpatine.
1st May '16 6:23:12 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Compare and contrast GreaterScopeVillain, where a villain more powerful than the BigBad exists, but is either not personally involved in the plot or is not a "person" to begin with. Not to do with a GambitPileup though you might get one if everyone is trying to manipulate each other.

Rarely involves TheMan. This trope tends to come into play with terrorist ([[WesternTerrorists Western]] or otherwise) [[AfricanTerrorists and]]/or African villains being implied to be supported by RedChina or white characters (normally a CorruptCorporateExecutive).

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Compare and contrast GreaterScopeVillain, where a villain more powerful than the BigBad exists, but is either not personally involved in the plot or is not a "person" to begin with. Not to do with a GambitPileup GambitPileup, though you might get one if everyone is trying to manipulate each other.

other. This trope and/or GreaterScopeVillain may also come into play if the villains are terrorists backed by larger powers like DirtyCommunists or {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s.

Rarely involves TheMan. This trope tends to come into play with terrorist ([[WesternTerrorists Western]] or otherwise) [[AfricanTerrorists and]]/or African villains being implied to be supported by RedChina or white characters (normally a CorruptCorporateExecutive).
TheMan.



* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in ''Franchise/StarWars'': to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''.
** Snoke in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' appears to be the new BigBad of the new trilogy.

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* [=Chancellor/Emperor=] Palpatine is this in ''Franchise/StarWars'': the first six ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies: to Nute Gunray and Darth Maul in ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', to Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', to Grand Moff Tarkin in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to Darth Vader in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''.
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''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In the new trilogy, starting with ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Snoke in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' appears to be play this role to Kylo Ren, General Hux, and the new BigBad baddies of the new trilogy.First Order.
26th Apr '16 2:48:58 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* On Wrestling/RingOfHonor's 13th anniversary, Kyle O'Reilly credited reDRagon's ongoing success against Wrestling/TheYoungBucks and Wrestling/BulletClub to Shayna Baszler, who made her first professional wrestling appearance that night but would have been in contact with them for quite some time if true.[[/folder]]
26th Apr '16 7:22:05 AM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords'', Falk is set up as a villain from the start, but it quickly becomes apparent that his supposed servant Bergdahl is manipulating him, and he's in fact the one who planned it all.

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* In ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords'', ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords'':
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Falk is set up as a villain from the start, but it quickly becomes apparent that his supposed servant Bergdahl is manipulating him, and he's in fact the one who planned it all. all.
** In the epilogue, it turns out that [[spoiler:Raguel, a Grey Angel]], has been manipulating the events before they even begun.
25th Apr '16 11:27:20 AM ZimFan89
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* ''Fanfic/SonOfTheSevenKingdoms'':
** [[VampireMonarch Lord Harkon]] is eventually revealed to be the one who engineered the King in Rags' attempted invasion of the North.
** The White Walkers turn out to be in service to [[spoiler: [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Alduin]]]].
21st Apr '16 9:37:15 AM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords'', Falk is set up as a villain from the start, but it quickly becomes apparent that his supposed servant Bergdahl is manipulating him, and he's in fact the one who planned it all.
20th Apr '16 11:02:26 PM Loekman3
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' brings this trope to absurd extremes, it's first revealed that [[StandardEvilOrganizationSquad Akatsuki]] is lead by a mysterious figure known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Pain]]. Some chapters and an important character death later, we find out that "Pain" is actually a [[PeoplePuppets collection of dead bodies controlled]] by a man named Nagato, who [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil once studied under the same sensei]] as Naruto. Then Nagato is actually being manipulated by a masked man known by the alias "Tobi" who claims to actually be the [[TheDreaded legendary shinobi known as Madara Uchiha]]. Later on, Tobi [[DeadPersonImpersonation isn't the real Madara Uchiha, but is actually a former leaf shinobi named Obito who used to be a student of Naruto's father and later turned evil.]] Then ''he'' was being manipulated by the ''real'' Madara Uchiha the entire time, so as to carry out his AssimilationPlot. But ''then'' Madara was being manipulated the entire time by Black Zetsu, a mysterious member of Akatsuki and a being that Madara thought he himself had created to carry out his will. And Black Zetsu? He's actually carrying out the will of Princess Kaguya, an ancient [[PhysicalGod Physical Goddess]] whom the current shinobi clans are descended from and who created Black Zetsu centuries ago right before she was [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] to ensure that she would be revived. And ''then'' [[OverlyLongGag okay, just kidding.]]

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' brings exaggerates this trope to absurd extremes, it's first revealed that [[StandardEvilOrganizationSquad Akatsuki]] is lead by a mysterious figure known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Pain]]. Some chapters and an important character death later, we find out that "Pain" is actually a [[PeoplePuppets collection of dead bodies controlled]] by a man named Nagato, who [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil once studied under the same sensei]] as Naruto. Then Nagato is actually being manipulated by a masked man known by the alias "Tobi" who claims to actually be the [[TheDreaded legendary shinobi known as Madara Uchiha]]. Later on, Tobi [[DeadPersonImpersonation isn't the real Madara Uchiha, but is actually a former leaf shinobi named Obito who used to be a student of Naruto's father and later turned evil.]] Then ''he'' was being manipulated by the ''real'' Madara Uchiha the entire time, so as to carry out his AssimilationPlot. But ''then'' Madara was being manipulated the entire time by Black Zetsu, a mysterious member of Akatsuki and a being that Madara thought he himself had created to carry out his will. And Black Zetsu? He's actually carrying out the will of Princess Kaguya, an ancient [[PhysicalGod Physical Goddess]] whom the current shinobi clans are descended from and who created Black Zetsu centuries ago right before she was [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]] to ensure that she would be revived. And ''then'' [[OverlyLongGag okay, just kidding.]]
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