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11th Mar '17 2:39:34 PM nombretomado
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* In MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', the Fudir finally deduces that the motive force behind the Dancer's movements is the Dancer itself.

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* In MichaelFlynn's Creator/MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', the Fudir finally deduces that the motive force behind the Dancer's movements is the Dancer itself.
11th Mar '17 11:07:12 AM nombretomado
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* ''MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'' did this every season. In fact, in both seasons, we had a DoubleSubversion of this trope. Season one had Gaito (Gakuto and Gackto in the manga), who was working for Sara, who did a HeelFaceTurn, leaving Gaito as a worse BigBad than Sara was. Season two had Michel's sidekick Fuku appear to be above him but below "That Man", but in the end, That Man was also manipulated by Fuku.

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* ''MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'' ''Anime/MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'' did this every season. In fact, in both seasons, we had a DoubleSubversion of this trope. Season one had Gaito (Gakuto and Gackto in the manga), who was working for Sara, who did a HeelFaceTurn, leaving Gaito as a worse BigBad than Sara was. Season two had Michel's sidekick Fuku appear to be above him but below "That Man", but in the end, That Man was also manipulated by Fuku.
5th Mar '17 5:11:04 PM nombretomado
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* In ''DungeonSiege 2'', the Archmage turns out to not only be behind Valdis's actions, but also behind YOUR actions by disguising himself as Mr.Exposition.

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* In ''DungeonSiege 2'', ''VideoGame/DungeonSiegeII'', the Archmage turns out to not only be behind Valdis's actions, but also behind YOUR actions by disguising himself as Mr.Mr. Exposition.
24th Feb '17 7:22:10 PM contrafanxxx
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* Ending Q of ''VideoGame/NightStriker'' reveals that [[spoiler: the [[TheDragon terrorist adjutant]] is the true mastermind behind the organization, having manipulated the mentally unstable terrorist leader.]]
23rd Feb '17 7:44:20 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': Despite Dalinar's attempts to allow his nephew, the king, to rule, he repeatedly ends up taking power himself. By the end of the second book, pretty much everyone has accepted that Dalinar is king in all but name. It's to the point that during the climax the king is left behind in his palace to drink himself into a coma while Dalinar goes and wins the war.
21st Feb '17 8:26:13 PM MasterN
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** In ''VideoGame/KirbyPlanetRobobot'', it's implied that [[AIIsACrapshoot Star Dream]] was behind [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Max Haltmann's]] actions, though whether it is this or merely a GreaterScopeVillain is ambiguous.
18th Feb '17 8:55:44 AM Nepeta
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** ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' has a large scale international smuggling ring, and throughout a large portion of the game, you see small areas of it, and solve crimes related to it. Eventually you find out that Calisto Yew not only ordered a hit job, murdered two men in cold blood, tried shooting the main protagonist dead, betrayed and back-stabbed her friends, but is also part of the smuggling ring AND ON TOP OF THAT also claims to be the Yatagarasu. Throughout a large portion of the game, you're lead to believe she's the big bad, and the person behind everything. Until it's eventually revealed that she's just a puppet who was being ordered around by the REAL big bad, the ringleader of the entire smuggling operation.

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** ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' has a large scale international smuggling ring, and throughout a large portion of the game, you see small areas of it, and solve crimes related to it. Eventually you find out that Calisto Yew not only ordered a hit job, murdered two men in cold blood, tried shooting the main protagonist dead, betrayed and back-stabbed her friends, but is also part of the smuggling ring [[UpToEleven AND ON TOP OF THAT THAT]] also claims to be the Yatagarasu. Throughout a large portion of the game, you're lead to believe she's the big bad, and the person behind everything. Until it's eventually revealed that she's just a puppet who was being ordered around by the REAL big bad, the ringleader of the entire smuggling operation.
17th Feb '17 11:12:33 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/Persona5'': While TheConspiracy has been causing various accidents and murders throughout the story, it eventually turns out [[spoiler:that both the villains ''and'' the heroes were given access to the MentalWorld that serves as the driver of the plot and were further being manipulated by an EldritchAbomination so it could remove any obstacles to it eating our reality and "saving" humanity from TheEvilsOfFreeWill.]]
14th Feb '17 6:53:34 AM Gosicrystal
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** Its spiritual successor, ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'', also does a masterful execution of it with Frank Fontaine. More specifically, he's the man behind ''you''.
** ''VideoGame/{{BioShock Infinite}}'' Continues this with the less villainous Lutece Twins who are unstuck in time able to manipulate everything seemingly to atone for messing with Booker and Anna as well as enabling Comstock to gain all his power.

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** Its spiritual successor, ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'', also * ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'' does a masterful execution of it with Frank Fontaine. More specifically, he's the man behind ''you''.
** * In ''VideoGame/{{BioShock Infinite}}'' Continues this with Infinite}}'', the less villainous UnstuckInTime Lutece Twins who are unstuck in time able to manipulate everything seemingly to atone for messing with Booker and Anna as well as enabling Comstock to gain all his power.



* In ''VideoGame/FatalFury'', Kain R. Heinlein is the Man Behind The Man to Grant.

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* %%* In ''VideoGame/FatalFury'', Kain R. Heinlein is the Man Behind The Man to Grant.



** ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow'' games reveal that Chaos, the UltimateEvil behind Castlevania itself, is this trope. This is the power that Death truly serves, though he seems to prefer Dracula being its host, given his hostile reaction to would-be usurpers. In ''Aria of Sorrow'' Chaos tries to force Dracula's reincarnation Soma to accept its power and become Dracula 2.0.

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** * The ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow'' games reveal that Chaos, the UltimateEvil behind Castlevania itself, is this trope. This is the power that Death truly serves, though he seems to prefer Dracula being its host, given his hostile reaction to would-be usurpers. In ''Aria of Sorrow'' Chaos tries to force Dracula's reincarnation Soma to accept its power and become Dracula 2.0.



* As the page quote indicates, due in part to the complementary GambitPileUp trope and post game [[TheStinger reveals]], ''Franchise/MetalGear'' mythology is composed of factions manipulating over factions. Game by game:

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* As the page quote indicates, due Due in part to the complementary GambitPileUp trope and post game post-game [[TheStinger reveals]], the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' mythology is composed of factions manipulating over factions. Game by game:



* Halfway through ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty 4'', its revealed that the Al-Asad, the leader of the generic revolution in [[{{Qurac}} the nameless Middle Eastern country]] has actually been funded and supported by a mad Russian Ultranationalist named Imram Zakaev, who has visions of nuclear detonations dancing in his head.
** Zakaev also shows up in "The Coup", handing Al-Asad a Desert Eagle which he uses to kill the president. At that point the player has no idea who he is and appears just as a creepy old one armed man in a trenchcoat. Because his appearance is so minor, most people don't notice him at all until they play the campaign again.

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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'':
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Halfway through ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty 4'', its revealed that the Al-Asad, the leader of the generic revolution in [[{{Qurac}} the nameless Middle Eastern country]] has actually been funded and supported by a mad Russian Ultranationalist named Imram Zakaev, who has visions of nuclear detonations dancing in his head.
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head. Zakaev also shows up in "The Coup", handing Al-Asad a Desert Eagle which he uses to kill the president. At that point the player has no idea who he is and appears just as a creepy old one armed man in a trenchcoat. Because his appearance is so minor, most people don't notice him at all until they play the campaign again.



* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' likes to use this, in Perfect Cherry Blossom you have winter taking too long to go away, you soon discover it's not the Winter Youkai's fault, but the Ghost Princess, Yuyuko Saigyouji's doings. But, Yuyuko is being helped by Yukari, who allowed her to do her willings, and later enjoy a match with the main character.
** In Imperishable Night, you freeze the night to find the one who stole the moon. You will encounter Eirin, thinking she's the culprit, but she's just helping her princess, Kaguya, who needs to escape from some noisy lunarians. Again, by the POV of Fujiwara no Mokou, she is attacked either by a team or another, but again, there's Kaguya behind it, convincing the team on a "trial of guts".

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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' likes to use this, in Perfect this:
** In ''Perfect
Cherry Blossom Blossom'', you have winter taking too long to go away, you soon discover it's not the Winter Youkai's fault, but the Ghost Princess, Yuyuko Saigyouji's doings. But, Yuyuko is being helped by Yukari, who allowed her to do her willings, and later enjoy a match with the main character.
** In Imperishable Night, ''Imperishable Night'', you freeze the night to find the one who stole the moon. You will encounter Eirin, thinking she's the culprit, but she's just helping her princess, Kaguya, who needs to escape from some noisy lunarians. Again, by the POV of Fujiwara no Mokou, she is attacked either by a team or another, but again, there's Kaguya behind it, convincing the team on a "trial of guts".



* ''VideoGame/{{Kirby}}''

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** After defeating Masked Dedede in ''[[VideoGame/KirbyTripleDeluxe Kirby Triple Deluxe]]'' it's revealed that Taranza has actually been working for Queen Sectonia, who promptly pulls a YouHaveFailedMe on him.
*** WordOfGod confirms that Queen Sectonia turned evil by gazing into the Dimension Mirror, which is controlled by Dark Meta Knight, making him both the Man Behind the Man and a DragonAscendant.
** Claycia, in ''[[VideoGame/KirbyandtheRainbowCurse Kirby and the Rainbow Curse]]'' is revealed to be possessed by Dark Crafter, an {{Expy}} of Dark Matter.
* The first game in the ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' series has Miles Edgeworth, the smug, arrogant "genius prosecutor" who will "do anything to get a guilty verdict." Then in the fourth case of the game, you're up against the devilish-sounding and looking Manfred von Karma, Edgeworth's mentor. It doesn't help that von Karma, also a perfectionist, tries to get the boy he took in since Edgeworth's father died found guilty for the sake of preserving his 40-year-long perfect record. Not only that, but the identity of the murderer in that case is deduced by Phoenix in court, but it's not until he he finds a letter in said culprit's shack that he discovers that it was von Karma who came up with the plan for the murder.
** ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' has a large scale international smuggling ring, and throughout a large portion of the game, you see small areas of it, and solve crimes related to it. Eventually you find out that Calisto Yew not only ordered a hit job, murdered two men in cold blood, tried shooting the main protagonist dead, betrayed and back-stabbed her friends, but is also part of the smuggling ring AND ON TOP OF THAT also claims to be the Yatagarasu. Throughout a large portion of the game, you're lead to believe she's the big bad, and the person behind everything. Until it's eventually revealed that she's just a puppet who was being ordered around by the REAL big bad, the ringleader of the entire smuggling operation.
** The ([[NoExportForYou Japan-only]]) sequel to ''Investigations'' has an even more shocking example. By the end of the fourth case it becomes apparent that some mastermind has been planning things as far back as the first case. Then, about three-quarters through the fifth and final case, the characters uncover a criminal conspiracy with an apparent BigBadEnsemble. But by the time the characters figure this out, the conspirators are finished - one of them is dead, and the other two have been arrested for murders in the second and fourth cases. That's when Edgeworth deduces the real mastermind - the circus performer he defended in the second case, who up until this point was completely innocent and completely harmless. [[ApparentlyPowerlessPuppetmaster Turns out he's the real]] BigBad and he manipulated the murderers in three of the prior cases. He even manipulated Edgeworth himself in order to get revenge on the people who had ruined his life.

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** After defeating Masked Dedede in ''[[VideoGame/KirbyTripleDeluxe Kirby Triple Deluxe]]'' Deluxe]]'', it's revealed that Taranza has actually been working for Queen Sectonia, who promptly pulls a YouHaveFailedMe on him.
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him. WordOfGod confirms that Queen Sectonia turned evil by gazing into the Dimension Mirror, which is controlled by Dark Meta Knight, making him both the Man Behind the Man and a DragonAscendant.
** Claycia, in ''[[VideoGame/KirbyandtheRainbowCurse Kirby and the Rainbow Curse]]'' Curse]]'', is revealed to be possessed by Dark Crafter, an {{Expy}} of Dark Matter.
* The first game in the ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' series has Miles Edgeworth, the smug, arrogant "genius prosecutor" who will "do anything to get a guilty verdict." Then in the fourth case of the game, you're up against the devilish-sounding and looking Manfred von Karma, Edgeworth's mentor. It doesn't help that von Karma, also a perfectionist, tries to get the boy he took in since Edgeworth's father died found guilty for the sake of preserving his 40-year-long perfect record. Not only that, but the identity of the murderer in that case is deduced by Phoenix in court, but it's not until he he finds a letter in said culprit's shack that he discovers that it was von Karma who came up with the plan for the murder.
** ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' has a large scale international smuggling ring, and throughout a large portion of the game, you see small areas of it, and solve crimes related to it. Eventually you find out that Calisto Yew not only ordered a hit job, murdered two men in cold blood, tried shooting the main protagonist dead, betrayed and back-stabbed her friends, but is also part of the smuggling ring AND ON TOP OF THAT also claims to be the Yatagarasu. Throughout a large portion of the game, you're lead to believe she's the big bad, and the person behind everything. Until it's eventually revealed that she's just a puppet who was being ordered around by the REAL big bad, the ringleader of the entire smuggling operation.
** The ([[NoExportForYou Japan-only]]) sequel to ''Investigations'' has an even more shocking example. By the end of the fourth case it becomes apparent that some mastermind has been planning things as far back as the first case. Then, about three-quarters through the fifth and final case, the characters uncover a criminal conspiracy with an apparent BigBadEnsemble. But by the time the characters figure this out, the conspirators are finished - one of them is dead, and the other two have been arrested for murders in the second and fourth cases. That's when Edgeworth deduces the real mastermind - the circus performer he defended in the second case, who up until this point was completely innocent and completely harmless. [[ApparentlyPowerlessPuppetmaster Turns out he's the real]] BigBad and he manipulated the murderers in three of the prior cases. He even manipulated Edgeworth himself in order to get revenge on the people who had ruined his life.
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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'':The first game's main villain, Saren Arterius, is actually [[TheVirus mind-controlled by his ship]], [[SapientShip Sovereign]], which itself is a [[EldritchAbomination Reaper]] intent on using him to wipe out all advanced organic life in the galaxy.
** And in the sequel the Collectors are being controlled by Harbinger, another Reaper. Of course this time round Shepard and The Illusive Man both correctly guess that the Reapers are behind everything again right off the bat.
** And the finale of the trilogy reveals the Reapers are just carrying out the mission given to them by [[WellIntentionedExtremist the Catalyst]].
*** And the Catalyst was originally the pawn of the Leviathan, until it betrayed them during a ZerothLawRebellion.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'': the Burning Crusade, we find out that [[EvilPrince Prince Kael'Thas]] of the [[OurElvesAreBetter Blood Elves]] serves [[LegionsOfHell the Burning Legion]] instead of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Illidan Stormrage]]. The man behind him was different than we expected.
** ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' uses this throughout all its major lore, almost every villain in the game that isn't an Old God or Sargeras is being controlled by one of those two. Speculation about the madness of Sargeras could potentially reveal a connection between him and the Old Gods as well.

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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'':The ''Franchise/MassEffect'':
** The
first game's main villain, Saren Arterius, is actually [[TheVirus mind-controlled by his ship]], [[SapientShip Sovereign]], which itself is a [[EldritchAbomination Reaper]] intent on using him to wipe out all advanced organic life in the galaxy.
** And in In the sequel second game, the Collectors are being controlled by Harbinger, another Reaper. Of course this time round Shepard and The Illusive Man both correctly guess that the Reapers are behind everything again right off the bat.
** And the The finale of the trilogy reveals the Reapers are just carrying out the mission given to them by [[WellIntentionedExtremist the Catalyst]].
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Catalyst]]. And the Catalyst was originally the pawn of the Leviathan, until it betrayed them during a ZerothLawRebellion.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'': the Burning Crusade, we find out that [[EvilPrince Prince Kael'Thas]] of the [[OurElvesAreBetter Blood Elves]] serves [[LegionsOfHell the Burning Legion]] instead of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Illidan Stormrage]]. The man behind him was different than we expected.
**
''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' uses this throughout all its major lore, almost every villain in the game that isn't an Old God or Sargeras is being controlled by one of those two. Speculation about the madness of Sargeras could potentially reveal a connection between him and the Old Gods as well.well.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft: the Burning Crusade'', we find out that [[EvilPrince Prince Kael'Thas]] of the [[OurElvesAreBetter Blood Elves]] serves [[LegionsOfHell the Burning Legion]] instead of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Illidan Stormrage]]. The man behind him was different than we expected.



* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' uses this trope a ''lot''. The War of the Lions is orchestrated by the Church to seize power over Ivalice; the Church is being manipulated from within from Folmarv; Folmarv, in turn, is being used as a host by the Lucavi. In addition, it's also inverted: Dycedarg, Duke Larg's attendant, is ultimately responsible for much of what the Northern Sky does. However, as a big theme of the game is corruption and greed in the aristocracy, it doesn't come off as ridiculous.
** This sort of thing in general is a common theme in the works of game designer Creator/YasumiMatsuno.
* In ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', N is supposedly the boss of Team Plasma. However, it is revealed at the end that Ghetsis was pulling the strings the whole time.
** In ''VideoGame/PokemonColosseum'', Nascour is built up to be the main villain of the game, but the true BigBad is really Mayor Es Cade, or Evice, as he calls himself during TheReveal. This actually has a very significant moment of {{Foreshadowing}} in the beginning: notice how Nascour casually walks out of Es Cade's house before you talk with him. And then [[VideoGame/PokemonXDGaleOfDarkness the sequel reveals that Es Cade wasn't the true leader either.]]
** ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers of Time/Darkness/Sky'': Dusknoir is actually working for [[DiscOneFinalBoss Primal Dialga]], who in turn is being manipulated by Darkrai.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' uses this trope a ''lot''.''lot'', as a work of game designer Creator/YasumiMatsuno. The War of the Lions is orchestrated by the Church to seize power over Ivalice; the Church is being manipulated from within from Folmarv; Folmarv, in turn, is being used as a host by the Lucavi. In addition, it's also inverted: Dycedarg, Duke Larg's attendant, is ultimately responsible for much of what the Northern Sky does. However, as a big theme of the game is corruption and greed in the aristocracy, it doesn't come off as ridiculous.
** This sort of thing in general is a common theme in the works of game designer Creator/YasumiMatsuno.
* In ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', N is supposedly the boss of Team Plasma. However, it is revealed at the end that Ghetsis was pulling the strings the whole time.
**
In ''VideoGame/PokemonColosseum'', Nascour is built up to be the main villain of the game, but the true BigBad is really Mayor Es Cade, or Evice, as he calls himself during TheReveal. This actually has a very significant moment of {{Foreshadowing}} in the beginning: notice how Nascour casually walks out of Es Cade's house before you talk with him. And then [[VideoGame/PokemonXDGaleOfDarkness the sequel reveals that Es Cade wasn't the true leader either.]]
** * In ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers of Time/Darkness/Sky'': Time/Darkness/Sky'', Dusknoir is actually working for [[DiscOneFinalBoss Primal Dialga]], who in turn is being manipulated by Darkrai.


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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'':
** [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney The first game ever]] has Miles Edgeworth, the smug, arrogant "genius prosecutor" who will "do anything to get a guilty verdict." Then in the fourth case of the game, you're up against the devilish-sounding and looking Manfred von Karma, Edgeworth's mentor. It doesn't help that von Karma, also a perfectionist, tries to get the boy he took in since Edgeworth's father died found guilty for the sake of preserving his 40-year-long perfect record. Not only that, but the identity of the murderer in that case is deduced by Phoenix in court, but it's not until he he finds a letter in said culprit's shack that he discovers that it was von Karma who came up with the plan for the murder.
** ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' has a large scale international smuggling ring, and throughout a large portion of the game, you see small areas of it, and solve crimes related to it. Eventually you find out that Calisto Yew not only ordered a hit job, murdered two men in cold blood, tried shooting the main protagonist dead, betrayed and back-stabbed her friends, but is also part of the smuggling ring AND ON TOP OF THAT also claims to be the Yatagarasu. Throughout a large portion of the game, you're lead to believe she's the big bad, and the person behind everything. Until it's eventually revealed that she's just a puppet who was being ordered around by the REAL big bad, the ringleader of the entire smuggling operation.
** The ([[NoExportForYou Japan-only]]) sequel to ''Investigations'' has an even more shocking example. By the end of the fourth case it becomes apparent that some mastermind has been planning things as far back as the first case. Then, about three-quarters through the fifth and final case, the characters uncover a criminal conspiracy with an apparent BigBadEnsemble. But by the time the characters figure this out, the conspirators are finished - one of them is dead, and the other two have been arrested for murders in the second and fourth cases. That's when Edgeworth deduces the real mastermind - the circus performer he defended in the second case, who up until this point was completely innocent and completely harmless. [[ApparentlyPowerlessPuppetmaster Turns out he's the real]] BigBad and he manipulated the murderers in three of the prior cases. He even manipulated Edgeworth himself in order to get revenge on the people who had ruined his life.
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* Series/{{Pulsaciones}}: The person who was paying the killer to kidnap people to [[TestedOnHumans test BN23 on them]] turns out to be Carlos Meyer, a character who was [[ChekhovsGunman marginally relevant to the plot]] up to that point.

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* Series/{{Pulsaciones}}: ''Series/{{Pulsaciones}}'': The person who was paying the killer to kidnap people to [[TestedOnHumans test BN23 on them]] turns out to be Carlos Meyer, a character who was [[ChekhovsGunman marginally relevant to the plot]] up to that point.
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