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13th Jan '17 9:09:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Ruin]] wasn't controlling ''all'' of the other villains in ''{{Mistborn}}'', but he was (directly or indirectly) the cause of most of their actions, as well as being the driving force behind a good portion of history and the entire prophecy of the Hero of Ages.

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* [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Ruin]] wasn't controlling ''all'' of the other villains in ''{{Mistborn}}'', ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'', but he was (directly or indirectly) the cause of most of their actions, as well as being the driving force behind a good portion of history and the entire prophecy of the Hero of Ages.
9th Jan '17 4:39:33 PM ZimFan89
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* ''Series/ChannelZero'': The first season spends two-thirds of its six episode run building up [[EvilOldFolks Frances Booth]] as the mastermind behind ''[[ShowWithinAShow Candle Cove]]'' and all the evil associated with it. However, in the penultimate episode, she reveals that she's actually in service to the true creator of ''Candle Cove'', [[spoiler: [[PhysicalGod Eddie Painter]]]].
3rd Jan '17 9:01:19 AM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking [[ExtranormalInstitute Beacon Academy]], where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking [[ExtranormalInstitute Beacon Academy]], where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During spends the next two volumes, Cinder is volumes being the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.
3rd Jan '17 8:03:28 AM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking Beacon Academy, where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking [[ExtranormalInstitute Beacon Academy, Academy]], where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.
3rd Jan '17 8:02:50 AM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking Beacon Academy, where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking Beacon Academy, where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.
3rd Jan '17 8:02:25 AM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}: For the first volume, the main villain appears to be Roman, who is stealing all the Dust in Vale and appears to have some kind of plan that involves attacking Beacon Academy, where the protagonists are training. The end of the volume reveals that he's been working for Cinder, who has only briefly been seen in the pilot episode initially looking like Roman's flunky rather than his boss. During the next two volumes, Cinder is the threat the protagonists are trying to identify and stop. However, Cinder clearly communicates with someone that suggests she's not in charge, even though she adapts the plans on the fly whenever the situation on the ground changes. Salem is revealed in the Volume 3 finale, and Volume 4 makes it clear that both Cinder and Roman were working for her and that it's Salem's plans for Vale that Cinder has been [[TheHeavy in charge of carrying out]]. Salem has other subordinates for dealing with the other Kingdoms, but appears to favour Cinder, something the other subordinates can't stand. [[BigGood Ozpin]] and [[BenevolentConspiracy his subordinates]] knew Salem was the real threat, but [[YouCantThwartStageOne struggled to identify]] the subordinate she had sent to Vale.
31st Dec '16 8:56:08 PM nombretomado
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* This is implied near the end of ''FruitsBasket'', after Akito's HeelFaceTurn, the 'man' in question being the Sohma family elders, who criticize Akito for not emotionally destroying the members of the Zodiac..

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* This is implied near the end of ''FruitsBasket'', ''Manga/FruitsBasket'', after Akito's HeelFaceTurn, the 'man' in question being the Sohma family elders, who criticize Akito for not emotionally destroying the members of the Zodiac..
26th Dec '16 12:29:40 AM Tron80
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'', ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} is revealed to be a monstrous alien intellect operating through drones and constructs. This reveal was used in ''Comicbook/SupermanBrainiac'' to explain the contradicting appearances Brainiac made throughout the DC Universe, only now they're saying that Brainiac has been operating this way ever since his debut in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}.

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* ** In ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'', ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} is revealed to be a monstrous alien intellect operating through drones and constructs. This reveal was used in ''Comicbook/SupermanBrainiac'' to explain the contradicting appearances Brainiac made throughout the DC Universe, only now they're saying that Brainiac has been operating this way ever since his debut in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}.
26th Dec '16 12:29:01 AM Tron80
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* [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in ''ComicBook/TheNail''. It's implied that ComicBook/LexLuthor (believed by the Justice League to be the BigBad) is being manipulated by Starro until it's revealed that [[spoiler:[[RedHerring "Starro" is actually]] a [[TheGrotesque mutated]] version of [[KryptoTheSuperdog Krypto]]]]. The ''real'' BigBad is none other than... [[spoiler: ComicBook/JimmyOlsen]].
* ComicBook/LexLuthor is initially positioned as the BigBad of ''InfiniteCrisis'', but it turns out that the true culprit is Alexander Luthor, Lex's MirrorUniverse counterpart. Note that this also included everything ''leading up'' to the Crisis, such as [[AIIsACrapshoot granting sentience to Batman's Brother Eye satellite]] and instigating the war between Raan and Thanagar.

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* [[PlayingWithATrope Franchise/{{Superman}}:
** During ''Comicbook/KryptoniteNevermore'' Morgan Edge tries to bring Superman down because he poses a threat to his true leader, Darkseid.
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Played with]] with in ''ComicBook/TheNail''. It's implied that ComicBook/LexLuthor (believed by the Justice League Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica to be the BigBad) is being manipulated by Starro until it's revealed that [[spoiler:[[RedHerring "Starro" is actually]] a [[TheGrotesque mutated]] version of [[KryptoTheSuperdog [[Comicbook/KryptoTheSuperdog Krypto]]]]. The ''real'' BigBad is none other than... [[spoiler: ComicBook/JimmyOlsen]].
* ** ComicBook/LexLuthor is initially positioned as the BigBad of ''InfiniteCrisis'', ''Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis'', but it turns out that the true culprit is Alexander Luthor, Lex's MirrorUniverse counterpart. Note that this also included everything ''leading up'' to the Crisis, such as [[AIIsACrapshoot granting sentience to Batman's Brother Eye satellite]] and instigating the war between Raan and Thanagar.Thanagar.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'', ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} is revealed to be a monstrous alien intellect operating through drones and constructs. This reveal was used in ''Comicbook/SupermanBrainiac'' to explain the contradicting appearances Brainiac made throughout the DC Universe, only now they're saying that Brainiac has been operating this way ever since his debut in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}.



* In ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'', ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} is revealed to be a monstrous alien intellect operating through drones and constructs. This reveal was used in earlier Superman stories to explain the contradicting appearances Brainiac made throughout the DC Universe, only now they're saying that Brainiac has been operating this way ever since his debut in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}.
10th Dec '16 6:09:21 PM nombretomado
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* In the BackStory of Creator/RobertEHoward's ConanTheBarbarian story "Literature/AWitchShallBeBorn", the man who raised Salome intended this trope, but decided she wasn't good enough for a front man.
-->''He would have made me queen of the world and ruled the nations through me, he said, but I was only a harlot of darkness. ''

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* In the BackStory of Creator/RobertEHoward's ConanTheBarbarian story ''Literature/ConanTheBarbarian'':
** In the BackStory of
"Literature/AWitchShallBeBorn", the man who raised Salome intended this trope, but decided she wasn't good enough for a front man.
-->''He --->''He would have made me queen of the world and ruled the nations through me, he said, but I was only a harlot of darkness. ''



** Literature/{{Kull}} is surprised to be told this trope applies to Kaanuub.

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** %%* Literature/{{Kull}} is surprised to be told this trope applies to Kaanuub.
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