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17th Apr '17 5:08:04 PM nombretomado
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* In StephenBaxter's ''[[Literature/XeeleeSequence Exultant]]'', Luru Parz is one of a group of immortals who have survived more than 20,000 years. She claims that they can remember events from throughout their lives, but no more or less clearly than a normal person. Sometimes, events may bring forth a distinct memory that hadn't been recalled in several thousand years. Even so, they must "edit" their memories, but it isn't explained how this is achieved.

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* In StephenBaxter's Creator/StephenBaxter's ''[[Literature/XeeleeSequence Exultant]]'', Luru Parz is one of a group of immortals who have survived more than 20,000 years. She claims that they can remember events from throughout their lives, but no more or less clearly than a normal person. Sometimes, events may bring forth a distinct memory that hadn't been recalled in several thousand years. Even so, they must "edit" their memories, but it isn't explained how this is achieved.
25th Mar '17 6:32:03 PM nombretomado
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* The earliest known example of this in a video game is ''[[VideoGame/GloryOfHeracles Glory of Heracles III]]'', for the [[SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem Super Famicom]], where the protagonist of the game is an immortal [[AmnesiacHero who suffers from amnesia]]. This plot element is used again in one of the sequels, ''Glory of Heracles'' for the NintendoDS, where the protagonist is also an amnesiac immortal.

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* The earliest known example of this in a video game is ''[[VideoGame/GloryOfHeracles Glory of Heracles III]]'', for the [[SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem [[UsefulNotes/SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem Super Famicom]], where the protagonist of the game is an immortal [[AmnesiacHero who suffers from amnesia]]. This plot element is used again in one of the sequels, ''Glory of Heracles'' for the NintendoDS, UsefulNotes/NintendoDS, where the protagonist is also an amnesiac immortal.
13th Feb '17 8:02:29 AM Gosicrystal
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* Averted in Creator/FrederikPohl's ''Literature/TheWorldAtTheEndOfTime'', as Wan-To can remember ''all'' its past life [[spoiler:near the end of the book it's its unique pastime living inside a dead star in a moribund Universe. Later, in order to leave that star corpse, must [[LostForever destroy]] most of its memories as there's no energy to carry all of them]]

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* Averted in Creator/FrederikPohl's ''Literature/TheWorldAtTheEndOfTime'', as Wan-To can remember ''all'' its past life [[spoiler:near the end of the book it's its unique pastime living inside a dead star in a moribund Universe. Later, in order to leave that star corpse, must [[LostForever destroy]] destroy most of its memories as there's no energy to carry all of them]]
4th Feb '17 7:50:36 AM Gosicrystal
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* Averted in Creator/FrederikPohl's ''Literature/TheWorldAtTheEndOfTime'', as Wan-To can remember ''all'' its past life [[spoiler: near the end of the book it's its unique pastime living inside a dead star in a moribund Universe. Later, in order to leave that star corpse, must [[LostForever destroy]] most of its memories as there's no energy to carry all of them]]

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* Averted in Creator/FrederikPohl's ''Literature/TheWorldAtTheEndOfTime'', as Wan-To can remember ''all'' its past life [[spoiler: near [[spoiler:near the end of the book it's its unique pastime living inside a dead star in a moribund Universe. Later, in order to leave that star corpse, must [[LostForever destroy]] most of its memories as there's no energy to carry all of them]]
20th Jan '17 3:35:00 PM Landis
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** An interesting quirk of the Pensieve is that placing memories within it shows what actually happened, without any of the distorting effects of a SympatheticPOV or an UnreliableNarrator. (Although "edits" can occur, if one is careful enough when drawing out the memory in the first place, leading to odd fogs and conspicuously loud lines obscuring shameful bits, or quickly cutting away before a viewer can see too much)
8th Jan '17 5:09:16 PM nombretomado
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* Often (but not always) averted by VandalSavage, one of several immortals in the Franchise/DCUniverse. However, he has other powers in addition to his immortality, one of which is SuperIntelligence, so his recall is superhuman anyway.

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* Often (but not always) averted by VandalSavage, ComicBook/VandalSavage, one of several immortals in the Franchise/DCUniverse. However, he has other powers in addition to his immortality, one of which is SuperIntelligence, so his recall is superhuman anyway.
7th Jan '17 4:01:36 PM nombretomado
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* In the SamuraiDeeperKyo manga, this is the StartOfDarkness of MagnificentBastard Chinmei.

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* In the SamuraiDeeperKyo ''Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo'' manga, this is the StartOfDarkness of MagnificentBastard Chinmei.
9th Dec '16 11:50:35 AM narm00
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* Invoked in some ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' {{Fanon}} to explain why Shinigami generally don't remember their mortal lives- they measure their ages in hundreds. In truth, they were never mortal to begin with - the were literally born in [[CelestialBureaucracy Soul Society]], putting them on a different level than humans. Still comes up in fanfic a lot despite WordOfGod.

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* Invoked in some ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' {{Fanon}} to explain why Shinigami generally don't remember their mortal lives- lives - they measure their ages in hundreds. In truth, they were never mortal to begin with - the they were literally born in [[CelestialBureaucracy Soul Society]], putting them on a different level than humans. Still comes up in fanfic a lot despite WordOfGod.



* ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'' the Nonmen accepted immortality from the Inchoroi, but did not realize that their mortal brains would not be able to handle it. Thousands of years later, they all have a certain level of amnesia. Some of their number, called Erratics, have learned that they can only lock painful memories in their minds, so they go about murdering everyone they hold dear just so they can be sure that the people existed at all.

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* ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'' ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'': the Nonmen accepted immortality from the Inchoroi, but did not realize that their mortal brains would not be able to handle it. Thousands of years later, they all have a certain level of amnesia. Some of their number, called Erratics, have learned that they can only lock painful memories in their minds, so they go about murdering everyone they hold dear just so they can be sure that the people existed at all.



* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'', the high priest Dios prevented himself from dying by reversing time by sleeping in a pyramid, but mentions that the process doesn't preserve memory. Instead, he refers to the written history of the the kingdom as his memory. As a result, he can't escape a millenia-long StableTimeLoop. By the time it comes around again it's a surprise.

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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'', the high priest Dios prevented himself from dying by reversing time by sleeping in a pyramid, but mentions that the process doesn't preserve memory. Instead, he refers to the written history of the the kingdom as his memory. As a result, he [[spoiler:he can't escape a millenia-long StableTimeLoop. By the time it comes around again it's a surprise.]]



** Methos, the legendary [[TheOlderImmortal Oldest Immortal]] tells [=MacLeod=] that he's over 5000 years old, then explains that's when he took his first head and "before that, it all starts to blur." Methos therefore has no idea ''how much'' over 5000 years old he is; for all he knows he could've gone for thousands of years before killing another Immortal for the first time.

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** Methos, the legendary [[TheOlderImmortal Oldest Immortal]] Immortal]], tells [=MacLeod=] that he's over 5000 years old, then explains that's when he took his first head and "before that, it all starts to blur." Methos therefore has no idea ''how much'' over 5000 years old he is; for all he knows he could've gone for thousands of years before killing another Immortal for the first time.



*** She even has pages that she ripped out if some journals. She can't remember the events but does remember she ripped out the pages because the memory of the events were too painful.

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*** She even has pages that she ripped out if of some journals. She can't remember the events but does remember she ripped out the pages because the memory of the events were too painful.



* ''TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem'' is the TropeNamer. One side effect of torpor (the comatose state [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] experience when they run out of blood or are beaten into unconsciousness) is that, the longer the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] sleeps, the more their memories shift. A two week nap is no big problem, but if you're asleep for decades, trying to recall your own memories is like trying to remember details from a dream. A number of bloodlines put a spin on this basic concept:

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* ''TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem'' 1e is the TropeNamer. One side effect of torpor (the comatose state [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] experience when they run out of blood or are beaten into unconsciousness) is that, the longer the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] sleeps, the more their memories shift. A two week nap is no big problem, but if you're asleep for decades, trying to recall your own memories is like trying to remember details from a dream. A number of bloodlines put a spin on this basic concept:



** In the TabletopGame/{{Eberron}} setting, the [[MechanicalLifeforms War-Forged]] are immortal constructs with souls. They must get their minds periodically wiped so that they do not go insane from an overload of memories. They can, however, vaguely recall their memories in a pinch, such that they can always make an untrained Knowledge roll for the off chance that they dig up information on a subject learned in a "previous life."

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** In the TabletopGame/{{Eberron}} setting, the [[MechanicalLifeforms War-Forged]] Warforged]] are immortal constructs with souls. They must get their minds periodically wiped so that they do not go insane from an overload of memories. They can, however, vaguely recall their memories in a pinch, such that they can always make an untrained Knowledge roll for the off chance that they dig up information on a subject learned in a "previous life."



* The earliest known example of this in a video game is ''[[GloryOfHeracles Glory of Heracles III]]'', for the [[SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem Super Famicom]], where the protagonist of the game is an immortal [[AmnesiacHero who suffers from amnesia]]. This plot element is used again in one of the sequels, ''GloryOfHeracles'' for the NintendoDS, where the protagonist is also an amnesiac immortal.

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* The earliest known example of this in a video game is ''[[GloryOfHeracles ''[[VideoGame/GloryOfHeracles Glory of Heracles III]]'', for the [[SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem Super Famicom]], where the protagonist of the game is an immortal [[AmnesiacHero who suffers from amnesia]]. This plot element is used again in one of the sequels, ''GloryOfHeracles'' ''Glory of Heracles'' for the NintendoDS, where the protagonist is also an amnesiac immortal.



** Fairies in general, and Cirno specifically, fall into this category - as {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of nature, they are immortal to FromASingleCell levels for as long as their aspect of nature is powerful enough to support them. Individual fairies may well be TimeAbyss material, but because they are also permanently childish and simple-minded, they often forget everything that happened yesterday, much less a thousand years ago. Cirno, for example, can only vaguely remember the previous occurrence of the flower's odd growth from ''Phantasmagoria Of Flower View'', only after being reminded a few times, and can't remember any of the details, but is fine with it, since she doesn't care, anyway. She simply wants to do what she always does - play, fly around, and pick fights to see if she'll win. Downplayed somewhat in that she's relatively young at less then a human's lifespan, as well as more intelligent then the average fairy. Simpler fairies have absolutely no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.
** Fujiwara no Mokou, an immortal, somewhat played this trope straight. In a supplementary material for a manga, it's explained that her rivalry with another immortal that's often thought to have driven her to take the immortality elixir wasn't - she had forgotten about her by the time she was tasked to dispose of the elixir and was more interested in the prospect of, er, being immortal. Her rivalry is more out of a sense that she has something constant in her life, now.
* Used in part in ''LostOdyssey''. The main character is an amnesiac immortal who's lived for a thousand years; most of his memories are recalled through dreams as the game progresses. It's not a natural side effect of the immortality, though, but rather a case of LaserGuidedAmnesia that makes him more easy to manipulate.
** Another character in ''LostOdyssey'' does in fact keep journals; when that character experiences amnesia, the journals prove to be very helpful.

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** Fairies in general, and Cirno specifically, fall into this category - as {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of nature, they are immortal to FromASingleCell levels for as long as their aspect of nature is powerful enough to support them. Individual fairies may well be TimeAbyss material, but because they are also permanently childish and simple-minded, they often forget everything that happened yesterday, much less a thousand years ago. Cirno, for example, can only vaguely remember the previous occurrence of the flower's flowers' odd growth from ''Phantasmagoria Of Flower View'', only after being reminded a few times, and can't remember any of the details, but is fine with it, since she doesn't care, anyway. She simply wants to do what she always does - play, fly around, and pick fights to see if she'll win. Downplayed somewhat in that she's relatively young at less then than a human's lifespan, as well as more intelligent then the average fairy. Simpler fairies have absolutely no sense of self-preservation whatsoever.
** Fujiwara no Mokou, an immortal, somewhat played this trope straight. In a supplementary material for a manga, it's explained that her rivalry with another immortal that's often thought to have driven her to take the immortality elixir wasn't actually her motive - she had forgotten about her by the time she was tasked to dispose of the elixir and was more interested in the prospect of, er, being immortal. Her rivalry is more out of a sense that she has something constant in her life, now.
* Used in part in ''LostOdyssey''.''VideoGame/LostOdyssey''. The main character is an amnesiac immortal who's lived for a thousand years; most of his memories are recalled through dreams as the game progresses. It's not a natural side effect of the immortality, though, but rather a case of LaserGuidedAmnesia that makes him more easy to manipulate.
** Another character in ''LostOdyssey'' ''VideoGame/LostOdyssey'' does in fact keep journals; when that character experiences amnesia, the journals prove to be very helpful.



* In ''[[VideoGame/The7thSaga The 7th Saga]]'', the robot Lux was built with a finite amount of memory and as a result has forgotten who built him and why.

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* In ''[[VideoGame/The7thSaga The 7th Saga]]'', ''VideoGame/The7thSaga'', the robot Lux was built with a finite amount of memory and as a result has forgotten who built him and why.



* A variation on ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'' where most of the robots have a "day memory" which starts to overwrite if they stay "awake" for too long. They must connect to a "dream machine" while they recharge in order to integrate important memories into permanent memory.

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* A variation on in ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'' where most of the robots have a "day memory" which starts to overwrite if they stay "awake" for too long. They must connect to a "dream machine" while they recharge in order to integrate important memories into permanent memory.



* In OrionsArm this can easily happen to [[{{Muggles}} nearbaselines]] who live more than a few hundred years. Though cybernetic and [[NanoMachines nanotech]] enhancements to memory are usually widely available, it is still rare to live longer than about 1,500 years without [[BrainUploading trans]][[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence cending]].

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* In OrionsArm WebOriginal/OrionsArm this can easily happen to [[{{Muggles}} nearbaselines]] who live more than a few hundred years. Though cybernetic and [[NanoMachines nanotech]] enhancements to memory are usually widely available, it is still rare to live longer than about 1,500 years without [[BrainUploading trans]][[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence cending]].



* In WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic, according to Rob, Santa Christ's age is around 2000 but started losing his memory at 1200.

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* In WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic, according to Rob, Santa Christ's age is around 2000 but he started losing his memory at 1200.



* Recent scientific evidence suggests that this may now be on its way to being a [[DiscreditedTrope an obsolete trope]]; evidence from the beginning of 2016 by the Salk Institute suggests that human memory capacity may be much bigger than we thought. Like ''Size of the Internet big''. http://www.salk.edu/news-release/memory-capacity-of-brain-is-10-times-more-than-previously-thought/

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* Recent scientific evidence suggests that this may now be on its way to being a [[DiscreditedTrope an obsolete trope]]; evidence from the beginning of 2016 by the Salk Institute suggests that human memory capacity may be much bigger than we thought. Like ''Size ''size of the Internet big''. big'': http://www.salk.edu/news-release/memory-capacity-of-brain-is-10-times-more-than-previously-thought/
17th Oct '16 11:20:47 AM DracoKanji
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* Invoked in some ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' {{Fanon}} to explain why Shinigami generally don't remember their mortal lives- they measure their ages in hundreds.

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* Invoked in some ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' {{Fanon}} to explain why Shinigami generally don't remember their mortal lives- they measure their ages in hundreds. In truth, they were never mortal to begin with - the were literally born in [[CelestialBureaucracy Soul Society]], putting them on a different level than humans. Still comes up in fanfic a lot despite WordOfGod.
7th Aug '16 11:59:35 AM shawn_allen
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*** She even has pages that she ripped out if some journals. She can't remember the events but does remember she ripped out the pages because the memory of the events were too painful.
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