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18th Jan '17 3:34:09 PM margdean56
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*** Yet it still is OlderThanFeudalism. St. Augustine, the famous church father who lived around 400 AD, wrote extensively on free will and had arguments about it with both the Manicheans (a non-Christian religion of which he was a former member) and, more famously, with Pelagius (a British Christian monk). Augustine believed in free will, but also believed that humanity was tainted with original sin and would therefore be in need of divine grace to achieve moral perfection. Pelagius denied this necessity and the impact of orginal sin on anyone else but Adam. Augustine was not the first church father to write on free will. Among others Justin Martyr, Tertullian and Irenaeus have all written on the subject. Furthermore, even though the Bible does not raise the question directly, reading the narrative will naturally provoke the question, especially concerning Adam and Eve's actions surrounding the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (did they eat its fruit willingly or was it predetermined?)

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*** Yet it still is OlderThanFeudalism. St. Augustine, the famous church father who lived around 400 AD, wrote extensively on free will and had arguments about it with both the Manicheans (a non-Christian religion of which he was a former member) and, more famously, with Pelagius (a British Christian monk). Augustine believed in free will, but also believed that humanity was tainted with original sin and would therefore be in need of divine grace to achieve moral perfection. Pelagius denied this necessity and the impact of orginal original sin on anyone else but Adam. Augustine was not the first church father to write on free will. Among others Justin Martyr, Tertullian and Irenaeus have all written on the subject. Furthermore, even though the Bible does not raise the question directly, reading the narrative will naturally provoke the question, especially concerning Adam and Eve's actions surrounding the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (did they eat its fruit willingly or was it predetermined?)
18th Jan '17 3:30:08 PM margdean56
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** Not only are they readily available, but they're also consequence-free. They've engineered a drug who's only negative side effect is a shortened lifespan, and women are taught from a ''very'' young age to regularly use contraceptives. The population is also kept {{brainwashed}} via MemeticMutation and sleep learning.

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** Not only are they readily available, but they're also consequence-free. They've engineered a drug who's whose only negative side effect is a shortened lifespan, and women are taught from a ''very'' young age to regularly use contraceptives. The population is also kept {{brainwashed}} via MemeticMutation and sleep learning.
5th Jan '17 9:01:31 AM GoodGamer14
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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include [[HeWhoFightsMonsters reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.

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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include include]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.
26th Dec '16 4:17:52 PM LBHills
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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution?]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.

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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution?]] solution may include [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Reeducation reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.
10th Dec '16 8:10:52 PM ScotieRw
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The typical heroic rejoinder is: "What would be the point? We might enjoy it, but [[HumansAreFlawed we wouldn't be people anymore]]."

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The typical heroic rejoinder is: "What would "I don't want to be the point? We might enjoy it, but [[HumansAreFlawed we wouldn't be people anymore]].told what to do."
30th Nov '16 1:33:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* Marvel had the ''Emperor Doom'' storyline. It was about Doctor Doom creating a giant MindControl device using the Purple Man and actually taking over the world with it, without anyone (except WonderMan) noticing, and turning it into a real utopia. It was interesting, first because there was an argument between the heroes about the rightness of stopping it, and second because Doom answered the "why should I be the one in control" question by literally [[{{Badass}} removing his protective mask in front of the Purple Man and challenging him to try to control him]]. ''And it worked''.

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* Marvel had the ''Emperor Doom'' storyline. It was about Doctor Doom creating a giant MindControl device using the Purple Man and actually taking over the world with it, without anyone (except WonderMan) noticing, and turning it into a real utopia. It was interesting, first because there was an argument between the heroes about the rightness of stopping it, and second because Doom answered the "why should I be the one in control" question by literally [[{{Badass}} removing his protective mask in front of the Purple Man and challenging him to try to control him]].him. ''And it worked''.
10th Nov '16 5:32:15 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler:Oberon]] from JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'' wants to relieve Earth of its evils, chaos, and agonies by applying this trope. Predictably, the heroes tell him to [[ScrewYouElves get stuffed]].

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* [[spoiler:Oberon]] from JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'' wants to relieve Earth of its evils, chaos, and agonies by applying this trope. Predictably, the heroes tell him to [[ScrewYouElves get stuffed]].
27th Oct '16 2:11:46 PM morenohijazo
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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom argues that the subconscious makes decisions before the conscious mind becomes aware of it and, as such, free will is only an illusion. [[spoiler:Tom claims that mind-controlling Ava is right because, as free will does not exist, she's either a slave to her impulses, or a slave to Tom's.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TheTuringTest'': Tom TOM argues that the subconscious makes decisions before the conscious mind becomes aware of it and, as such, free will is only an illusion. [[spoiler:Tom [[spoiler:TOM claims that mind-controlling Ava is right because, as free will does not exist, she's either a slave to her impulses, or a slave to Tom's.TOM's.]]
5th Oct '16 9:26:37 PM Thurisaz314
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* Psychologist B. F. Skinner's 1971 book "Beyond Freedom and Dignity". Check the other Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Freedom_and_Dignity). He also did some pretty terrible things to pigeons.

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* Psychologist B. F. Skinner's 1971 book "Beyond Freedom and Dignity". Check the other Wiki (http://en.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Freedom_and_Dignity). He also did some pretty terrible things to pigeons.
25th Sep '16 11:45:49 PM PsychoGecko
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*** The Book of Exodus, for example, has Pharaoh wanting to let the Jews go after just the first couple of plagues, with God telling Moses he's going to make Pharaoh change his mind, with the Bible saying that He did so when it gets to that point in the story, and later recapping that He did so. The phrase "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" comes up a lot.
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