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16th Oct '17 11:44:49 AM lillolillo
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* In ''ComicBook/GothamCityGarage'', ComicBook/LexLuthor designed his mind-control devices "Lexlocks" -later "Ridealongs"- to free the masses from a pesky thing called "independent thought".
-->'''Luthor:''' I have a problem that needs solving.\\
'''Harley:''' Premature hair loss?\\
'''Luthor:''' Free will. There tiny machines can be gradted to every human mind in my garden. They can control thought, behavior, preference, happiness. Wash away the sins of the Dark Age and give the world a clean slate. But they must do so without driving the cattle insane.
15th Oct '17 10:39:22 PM PistolsAtDawn
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There is so much suffering in the world, so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreBastards We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention the ''chaos'' of [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]

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There is so much suffering in the world, so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than than humans themselves and their pesky free will]].will. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreBastards We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention the ''chaos'' of [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]
11th Oct '17 8:05:13 AM PistolsAtDawn
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* ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'': (Pony) free will is fine. Helping humankind to lose violent and selfish attitude is okay.

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* ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'': (Pony) free will is fine. Helping humankind to lose Humankind is violent and selfish attitude selfish, so removing our free will is okay.acceptable.
30th Sep '17 8:28:10 PM DustSnitch
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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention the ''chaos'' of [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]

[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous--the usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.

A frequent element of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and a [[StockEvilOverlordTactics quintessential]] EvilPlan to TakeOverTheWorld. Frequently justified by the WellIntentionedExtremist VisionaryVillain or KnightTemplar in a JustBetweenYouAndMe with the hero as being a small sacrifice. If it means the end of conflict, a quadruplication of the standard of living, the eradication of inequality, poverty, discrimination, hate... [[DealWithTheDevil isn't it worth it?]]

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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], world, so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed [[HumansAreBastards We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention the ''chaos'' of [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]

[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters include reeducation camps]], camps, a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous--the usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.

A frequent element of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and a [[StockEvilOverlordTactics quintessential]] EvilPlan to TakeOverTheWorld. Frequently justified by the WellIntentionedExtremist VisionaryVillain WellIntentionedExtremist, VisionaryVillain, or KnightTemplar in a JustBetweenYouAndMe with the hero as being a small sacrifice. If it means the end of conflict, a quadruplication of the standard of living, the eradication of inequality, poverty, discrimination, hate... [[DealWithTheDevil isn't it worth it?]]
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13th Sep '17 1:05:39 PM Onlythrice
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* In ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'', Cyrus believes that Spirit is the cause of all suffering, so he [[TheStoic rejects it himself]] and tries to destroy it in everyone else, by capturing the origin deities of emotion, wisdom, and intellect, and later [[spoiler:planning to destroy the entire freaking universe and just start over]].

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* In ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'', Cyrus [[BigBad Cyrus]] believes that Spirit spirit is the cause of all suffering, so he [[TheStoic rejects it himself]] and tries to destroy it in everyone else, else by capturing the [[OlympusMons origin deities of knowledge, emotion, wisdom, and intellect, willpower]] to [[OlympusMons summon the deities of time and later [[spoiler:planning space]] in order [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 to destroy the entire freaking universe universe]] and just start over]].create a new, emotionless one for him to [[AGodAmI rule as a god]].



** It should note that the Qun technically doesn't think Free Will is evil as much as it is ''nonexistent''.
** Neither does the Qun think that Free Will is evil, nor that it is nonexistent. They believe that chaos and selfishness are evil, and that everyone should work together in their struggle to reach a better future without such flaws. They do, however, like any other religion in Thedas, follow the concept of "join us or die (or in their case be made a mindless working drone via poison and whatnot)", atleast in times of war.

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** It should note that the Qun technically doesn't think Free Will is evil as much as it is ''nonexistent''.
** Neither does the Qun think that Free Will is evil, nor that it is nonexistent. They believe that chaos and selfishness are evil, and that everyone should work together in their struggle to reach a better future without such flaws. They do, however, like any other religion in Thedas, follow the concept of "join us or die (or in their case be made a mindless working drone via poison and whatnot)", atleast at least in times of war.



* In ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' Unity defends her enslavement of a planet by saying that it was torn apart by war and she's made productive citizens out of everyone. After getting a glimpse of what the planet is like without her influence Summer, who had been expecting free will to involve choices like "picking a phone plan" rather than the re-ignition of a brutal race war based on nipple shape, concludes that Unity is great and her grandfather is a terrible influence on her (making her lose control of people or use them to fulfill his ridiculous sexual fantasies).

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* In ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' Unity ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', [[HiveMind Unity]] defends her enslavement of a planet by saying that it was torn apart by war and she's made productive citizens out of everyone. After getting a glimpse of what the planet is like without her influence Summer, who had been expecting free will to involve choices like "picking a phone plan" rather than the re-ignition of a brutal race war based on nipple shape, concludes that Unity is great and her grandfather is a terrible influence on her (making her lose control of people or use them to fulfill his ridiculous sexual fantasies).
3rd Sep '17 9:31:38 PM ShadetheMystic
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**The Instruments of The First Will are even worse, actively worshipping the Precursors - Juno in particular - and desire a world where humanity has been stripped of sapience and reduced to the unthinking beasts of burden they were in antiquity.
14th Aug '17 6:38:16 PM Threen
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* Psychologist Nicholas Humphrey who, in a lecture entitled "What Shall We Tell The Children" to Amnesty unironically shows what exactly is wrong with this concept, first by applying MoralMyopia:
-->'''"'''Freedom of speech is too precious a freedom to be meddled with..... And since I am sure of this in general, and since I'd expect most of you to be so too, I shall probably shock you when I say it is the purpose of my lecture tonight to argue in one particular area just the opposite. To argue, in short, [[CulturePolice in favour of censorship against freedom of expression]], and to do so in an area of life that has traditionally been regarded as sacrosanct. I am talking about [[spoiler: moral and religious]] education. And especially the education a child receives at [[spoiler: home]]....[[spoiler: parents]] have no god-given licence to enculturate children in whatever ways they personally choose....in short, children have the right not to have their minds addled by [[spoiler: religion]]. [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans And we as a society have a duty to protect them from it]]. So we should no more allow [[spoiler: parents]] to teach their children to believe, for example, [[spoiler: the literal truth of the Bible, or that the parents rule their lives]], than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out or lock them in a dungeon. That's the negative side of what I want to say. But there will be a positive side as well. If children have a right to be protected from false ideas, they have too a right to be succored by the truth. And we as a society have a duty to provide it.'''"'''
** Of course, whether he is right or wrong is a matter of perspective [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and is best discussed elsewhere]].
16th Jul '17 6:24:15 PM Pastykake
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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.

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[[FreedomFromChoice The solution may include]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters reeducation camps]], a [[BigBrotherIsWatching police state, censorship]], ''concentration camps'' for those who resist the previous. The previous--the usual. If there's a MadScientist or mutant around, MassHypnosis and MindControl are also handy options to turn everyone (that's left) into obedient GullibleLemmings for the BigBad to rule. In extreme cases it will include the [[IndividualityIsIllegal destruction of individuality]] [[AssimilationPlot and the creation of a]] HiveMind.
22nd Jun '17 1:34:28 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the ''chaos'' of everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]

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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], so much hate, inequality, ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the ''chaos'' of [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]



Contrast RousseauWasRight, where people are naturally good by their own free will.

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Contrast RousseauWasRight, RousseauWasRight where people are naturally good by their own free will.
22nd Jun '17 12:25:45 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], so much hate, inequality, ignorance, chaos. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]

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There is so much [[CrapsackWorld suffering in the world]], so much hate, inequality, ignorance, chaos.ignorance. And the cause of all this evil is nothing more than [[HumansAreBastards than humans themselves and their pesky free will]]. HobbesWasRight. [[HumansAreFlawed We are selfish, narcissistic, violent]], readily tread on others to better ourselves, and while [[AMillionIsAStatistic our love is selective]], our {{Greed}} knows no bounds. Not to mention [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the ''chaos'' of everyone having different dental hygiene habits]]. When people are capable of ''willingly'' doing so much wrong, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans isn't removing that free will, by any means available, justified?]]



A frequent element of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and a [[StockEvilOverlordTactics quintessential]] EvilPlan to TakeOverTheWorld. Frequently justified by the WellIntentionedExtremist VisionaryVillain or KnightTemplar in a JustBetweenYouAndMe with the hero as being a small sacrifice. If it means no conflict, a quadruplication of the standard of living, the eradication of inequality, poverty, discrimination, and ''hate...'' [[DealWithTheDevil isn't it worth it?]]

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A frequent element of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and a [[StockEvilOverlordTactics quintessential]] EvilPlan to TakeOverTheWorld. Frequently justified by the WellIntentionedExtremist VisionaryVillain or KnightTemplar in a JustBetweenYouAndMe with the hero as being a small sacrifice. If it means no the end of conflict, a quadruplication of the standard of living, the eradication of inequality, poverty, discrimination, and ''hate...'' hate... [[DealWithTheDevil isn't it worth it?]]
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