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31st Jan '16 1:22:13 AM TitoMosquito
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* In a scene in Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue, Carter has a monster at his mercy with two BFGs pressed against its' chest, but can't simply execute him and turns away (Odd, considering "weaken the monster and then destroy it when it's at your mercy" is a pretty standard PowerRangers MO). He turns away, and of course the monster attacks and he whirls around and blasts it. In the corresponding scene in Series/KyuuKyuuSentaiGogoV, Matoi simply shoots the monster.
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* In a scene in Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue, ''Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue'', Carter has a monster at his mercy with two BFGs pressed against its' chest, but can't simply execute him and turns away (Odd, considering "weaken the monster and then destroy it when it's at your mercy" is a pretty standard PowerRangers MO). He turns away, and of course the monster attacks and he whirls around and blasts it. In the corresponding scene in Series/KyuuKyuuSentaiGogoV, ''Series/KyukyuSentaiGoGoV'', Matoi simply shoots the monster.
16th Jan '16 3:07:01 AM Anddrix
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** In [[AllThereInTheManual one of the original scripts]] (dated January 15, 1976), Han indeed shot first. Which makes it even more [[ViewersAreMorons insulting]] when George Lucas made a statement, in 2012, [[OrwellianEditor claiming that Greedo has always shot first]]:
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** In [[AllThereInTheManual one of the original scripts]] (dated January 15, 1976), Han indeed shot first. Which makes it even more [[ViewersAreMorons insulting]] insulting when George Lucas made a statement, in 2012, [[OrwellianEditor claiming that Greedo has always shot first]]:
12th Jan '16 12:00:26 AM CommanderAce
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** In the special edition, Greedo shoots, [[EpicFail misses at point-blank range]], and gets shot in self-defense. This was done so the movie could maintain its PG rating by giving Han the moral high ground. Of course, since Greedo had Han at gunpoint and was going to kill him, Han already had the moral high ground even without the OrwellianRetcon - he was acting in self-defense either way. All the edit did was make the moral high ground even more obvious (which is rumored to have been necessary for a PG rating).
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** In the special edition, Greedo shoots, [[EpicFail misses at point-blank range]], and gets shot in self-defense. This was done so the movie could maintain its PG rating by giving due to Lucas' insisting it made Han the moral high ground.not a cold-blooded killer. Of course, since Greedo had Han at gunpoint and was going to kill him, Han already had the moral high ground even without the OrwellianRetcon - he was acting in self-defense either way. All the edit did was make the moral high ground even more obvious (which is rumored to have been necessary for a PG rating).
9th Jan '16 9:35:40 PM chicagomel
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*** They also use it in ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheYodaChronicles''. Han shoots a Stormtrooper in "The Empire Strikes Out", and someone says "Hey, Han shot first!" Han replies "Of course I shot first, I always shoot first. It was him or me!"
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*** They also use it in ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheYodaChronicles''. Han shoots a Stormtrooper in "The Empire Strikes Out", and someone says "Hey, Han shot first!" Han replies "Of course I shot first, I always shoot first. It was him or me!"me. Why wouldn't I shoot first?"
7th Jan '16 4:12:51 PM nighttrainfm
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-->'''Darth Vader''': What you're doing, you?.. You shot first! -->'''Han Solo''': Yeah. Why wouldn't I? -->'''Darth Vader''': I, eh... I don't know the answer on that.
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-->'''Darth Vader''': Whoa, whoa! What you're doing, you?.. You you..you shot first! -->'''Han first!\\ '''Han Solo''': Yeah. Why wouldn't I? -->'''Darth I?\\ '''Darth Vader''': I, eh... I don't know the answer on that.
6th Jan '16 11:54:37 PM CommanderAce
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Rumors over a rating change have only been that as Lucas has always claimed it to be an intentional change rather than an enforced one
** In the special edition, Greedo shoots, [[EpicFail misses at point-blank range]], and gets shot in self-defense. This was done so the movie could maintain its PG rating by giving Han the moral high ground. Of course, since Greedo had Han at gunpoint and was going to kill him, Han already had the moral high ground even without the OrwellianRetcon - he was acting in self-defense either way. All the edit did was make the moral high ground even more obvious (which, admittedly, may have been necessary for a PG rating). ** The scene was later re-re-edited to [[TakeAThirdOption make Han dodge the shot and fire at almost the same time as Greedo]]. In this edit, Greedo still got in that first shot necessary for the PG rating, but Han was already preparing to shoot Greedo, fulfilling the original intent of Han as a wily AntiHero.
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** In the special edition, Greedo shoots, [[EpicFail misses at point-blank range]], and gets shot in self-defense. This was done so the movie could maintain its PG rating by giving Han the moral high ground. Of course, since Greedo had Han at gunpoint and was going to kill him, Han already had the moral high ground even without the OrwellianRetcon - he was acting in self-defense either way. All the edit did was make the moral high ground even more obvious (which, admittedly, may (which is rumored to have been necessary for a PG rating). ** The scene was later re-re-edited to [[TakeAThirdOption make Han dodge the shot and fire at almost the same time as Greedo]]. In this edit, Greedo still got in that first shot necessary for the PG rating, shot, but Han was already preparing to shoot Greedo, fulfilling the original intent of Han as a wily AntiHero.
5th Jan '16 11:40:01 PM MissConception
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** Tellingly, both novelizations make it clear that Han shot first and last. The original, ''Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker'', was even the very first ''Star Wars'' product released in 1976 during the film's production and ''has George Lucas credited as the writer''. To paraphrase: "Light and noise filled that corner of the bar, and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, drawing chuckles and knowing looks from the more experienced patrons of the bar, who knew the bounty hunter had made his fatal mistake by giving the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover." The newer one, ''A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy'', which was part of a retold trilogy released by Disney in 2015, officially does not acknowledge any of the Special Edition changes, and [[http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2015/09/alexandra-bracken-on-the-symbol-the-skeptic-and-the-sponge/ the author was quick to give a definite answer confirming that Han shot only.]]
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** Tellingly, both novelizations make it clear that Han shot first and last. The original, ''Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker'', was even the very first ''Star Wars'' product released in 1976 during the film's production and ''has George Lucas credited as the writer''. To paraphrase: quote: "Light and noise filled that the litte corner of the bar, cantina, and when it had faded, all that remained of the unctuous alien was a smoking, slimy spot on the stone floor. Solo brought his hand and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, smoking weapon it held out from beneath the table, drawing chuckles and knowing looks bemused stares from several of the more experienced cantina's patrons of and clucking sounds from its more knowledgeable ones. They had known the bar, who knew the bounty hunter creature had made his committed its fatal mistake by giving in allowing Solo the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover." The newer one, ''A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy'', which was part of a retold trilogy released by Disney in 2015, officially does not acknowledge any of the Special Edition changes, and [[http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2015/09/alexandra-bracken-on-the-symbol-the-skeptic-and-the-sponge/ the author was quick to give a definite answer confirming that Han shot only.]]
5th Jan '16 3:14:01 PM unokkun
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** For further irony: In one of [[Creator/{{JRR Tolkien}} Tolkien]]'s letters, he wrote that once Frodo was released from the burden of the Ring, it stopped being such a corrupting influence. So fighting Gollum for it at that moment would have been a MoralEventHorizon.
5th Jan '16 8:41:29 AM MissConception
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There are at least two novelizations now, and the first one even predates the final film.
** Tellingly, in the novelization for Star Wars that was released in 1977 in conjunction with film's release and ''has George Lucas as the author,'' it's made very clear that Han shot first and last. To paraphrase: "Light and noise filled that corner of the bar, and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, drawing chuckles and knowing looks from the more experienced patrons of the bar, who knew the bounty hunter had made his fatal mistake by giving the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover."
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** Tellingly, in the novelization for Star Wars that was released in 1977 in conjunction with film's release and ''has George Lucas as the author,'' it's made very both novelizations make it clear that Han shot first and last.last. The original, ''Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker'', was even the very first ''Star Wars'' product released in 1976 during the film's production and ''has George Lucas credited as the writer''. To paraphrase: "Light and noise filled that corner of the bar, and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, drawing chuckles and knowing looks from the more experienced patrons of the bar, who knew the bounty hunter had made his fatal mistake by giving the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover."" The newer one, ''A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy'', which was part of a retold trilogy released by Disney in 2015, officially does not acknowledge any of the Special Edition changes, and [[http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2015/09/alexandra-bracken-on-the-symbol-the-skeptic-and-the-sponge/ the author was quick to give a definite answer confirming that Han shot only.]]
1st Jan '16 6:42:45 PM Taskmaster123
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** Tellingly, in the novelization for Star Wars that was released in 1977 in conjunction with film's release and ''has George Lucas' as the author,'' it's made very clear that Han shot first and last. To paraphrase: "Light and noise filled that corner of the bar, and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, drawing chuckles and knowing looks from the more experienced patrons of the bar, who knew the bounty hunter had made his fatal mistake by giving the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover."
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** Tellingly, in the novelization for Star Wars that was released in 1977 in conjunction with film's release and ''has George Lucas' Lucas as the author,'' it's made very clear that Han shot first and last. To paraphrase: "Light and noise filled that corner of the bar, and the bounty hunter slumped forward, dead. Han stood up and holstered his blaster, drawing chuckles and knowing looks from the more experienced patrons of the bar, who knew the bounty hunter had made his fatal mistake by giving the canny Corellian a chance to get his hands under cover."
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