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6th May '18 11:38:31 AM CynicalBastardo
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* Cid in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''. While he's older than Cloud, far more learned than Cloud (e.g. a science education and an accomplished pilot as compared to Cloud's InformedAbility) and arguably shouldn't have given Cloud leadership back after Cloud's incident... decided to do so anyway because being TheLeader wasn't his thing.

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* Cid in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''.''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'':
** Cid.
While he's older than Cloud, far more learned than Cloud (e.g. a science education and an accomplished pilot as compared to Cloud's InformedAbility) and arguably shouldn't have given Cloud leadership back after Cloud's incident... decided to do so anyway because being TheLeader wasn't his thing.thing.
** Barret eventually becomes this. He's originally the leader of AVALANCHE and gives the orders to Cloud in the game's first act. However, by the time of Cloud's incident, he states that he thought he should be the leader, but realises that he isn't cut out for it.
14th Feb '18 9:57:25 PM Headrock
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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; maybe he respects his boss too much; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer. But he can do the job if he has to step up.

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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; maybe he respects his boss too much; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer. But he can do the job if he has to step up.
offer.
14th Feb '18 3:52:58 PM ANTMuddle
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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; maybe he respects his boss too much; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer.

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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; maybe he respects his boss too much; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer.
offer. But he can do the job if he has to step up.
31st Jan '18 8:10:49 PM OmegaTengu
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* Thomas in '' Webcomic/BetweenFailures'' outright says on multiple occasions how managers of the store only have 6 months before being fired, and whereas he is the longest running employee and the guy controlling everything with minor recommendations behind the scenes. Not only that, but he was offered multiple promotions and has turned every single one down.
15th Jan '18 3:20:31 PM TheNerevarine
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15th Jan '18 3:19:09 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''Series/DeusSalveORei'': Prince Rodolfo is an UpperClassTwit with no interest in gaining power because he'd have a [[TheChainsOfCommanding responsibility to the realm]] and prefers spending his time [[TheHedonist partying, drinking and bedding girls instead]]. He is quite scared about the possibility of being king when his [[TheWisePrince older brother Afonso]] is presumed dead since he [[SelfDeprecation he is aware]] that he would have been a SketchySuccessor.
14th Nov '17 11:38:09 PM skzip887
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* In ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'', Major Kira starts out quite irate that the Federation placed one of their own people in charge after her people had spent decades fighting the Cardassians. She eventually turns around and becomes extremely loyal to Sisko, and not just because he's technically the MessianicArchetype of her religion.

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* In ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'', Major Kira starts out quite irate that the Federation placed one of their own people in charge after her people had spent decades fighting the Cardassians. She eventually turns around and becomes extremely loyal to Sisko, and not just because he's technically the MessianicArchetype of her religion.
9th Oct '17 12:03:44 PM Samothrace42
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** Following the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', Emperor Uriel Septim VII is dead and his only remaining heir, Martin, [[spoiler:sacrificed himself to end the Oblivion Crisis]]. With no Septim on the throne for the first time in nearly 500 years, High Chancellor Ocato takes over as [[RegentForLife Potentate]]. As evidenced by Ocato exhausting every other option before taking over, he clearly preferred serving as a NumberTwo rather than being in charge himself. He performed well in this role, holding the [[VestigialEmpire crumbling Empire]] together for 10 years before being assassinated by [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Thalmor]] in a successful attempt to destabilize the Empire.
** Brynjolf from ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' actually can be the Guildmaster of the Thieves Guild, but serves as Mercer Frey's, the current Guildmaster, right-hand man [[spoiler: and yours after you complete the Thieves Guild questline and become the new Guildmaster.]] He even outright tells the Player that he is not interested in being a leader and prefers supporting roles.
* Gage in ''Videogame/{{Fallout4}}'' has no interest in becoming the Overboss of the raiders of Nuka-world, fearing that he'd be in the crosshairs of all the other raiders with any ambition. Instead, he's content to let the player character take the role after they kill the previous Overboss, Colter, in gladiatorial combat, and use his experience of working with raider gangs to help you get comfortable in your new position.
** Preston Garvey also seems to be this. He controls a larger portion of the Minutemen duties, but when he was leader he gave away his leadership to you a day after meeting you. [[GameplayStorySegregation You still do most of the gruntwork, though]].
* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout3}}'', Bob from the Republic of Dave is Dave's second-in-command (as well as his son). When the player tries to convince Bob that he should run for president of the Republic, he refuses saying that he's fine just where he is - although in the same conversation he also says that he does want to inherit the presidency naturally from Dave some day, and make himself a dictator.

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** Following the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', Emperor Uriel Septim VII is dead and his only remaining heir, Martin, [[spoiler:sacrificed himself to end the Oblivion Crisis]]. With no Septim on the throne for the first time in nearly 500 years, High Chancellor Ocato takes over as [[RegentForLife Potentate]]. As evidenced by Ocato exhausting every other option before taking over, he clearly preferred serving as a NumberTwo rather than being in charge himself. He performed well in this role, holding the [[VestigialEmpire crumbling Tamrielic Empire]] together for 10 years a decade before being assassinated by [[ANaziByAnyOtherName the Thalmor]] in a successful attempt to destabilize the Empire.
** Brynjolf from ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' actually can ''can'' be the Guildmaster of the Thieves Guild, but serves as Mercer Frey's, the current Guildmaster, right-hand man [[spoiler: and yours after you complete the Thieves Guild questline and become the new Guildmaster.]] He even outright tells the Player [[PlayerCharacter Last Dragonborn]] that he is not interested in being a leader and prefers supporting roles.
* The page quote comes courtesy of [[AffablyEvil Porter]] [[TokenEvilTeammate Gage]] from ''Videogame/{{Fallout 4}}: Nuka-World''. Gage in ''Videogame/{{Fallout4}}'' has no interest in becoming the Overboss of the raiders of Nuka-world, [[WretchedHive Nuka-World]] [[BadassCrew Raiders]], fearing that he'd be in the crosshairs of all the other raiders any Raider [[KlingonPromotion with any ambition. the slightest inklings of ambition]]. Instead, he's content to let the player character [[PlayerCharacter Sole Survivor]] take the role after they kill the previous Overboss, Colter, in [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt gladiatorial combat, combat]], and use his experience of working with raider Raider gangs to help you get comfortable in your new position.
** Preston Garvey [[OfficerAndAGentleman Preston]] [[NiceGuy Garvey]] also seems to be this. this in the base game. He controls a larger ''huge'' portion of the Minutemen [[WeHelpTheHelpless Commonwealth Minutemen's]] remaining administrative duties, but when he was leader he gave away his ''actual'' position as leadership to you a day few days after meeting you. [[GameplayStorySegregation You still do most [[BigDamnHeroes you saved his life and that of the gruntwork, though]].
his charges]]. Both Justified and Lampshaded, as Preston admits that while he's not fit to be [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority General]], he knows that ''[[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre you]]'' are.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout3}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', Bob from the [[{{Egopolis}} Republic of Dave Dave]] is Dave's second-in-command (as well as his son). When the player [[PlayerCharacter Lone Wanderer]] tries to convince Bob that he should run for president President of the Republic, he refuses saying that he's fine just where he is - [[ImmediateSelfContradiction although in the same conversation conversation]] he also says that he does ''does'' want to inherit the presidency naturally from Dave some day, and but as to make himself a the Republic's dictator.
16th Sep '17 9:15:21 AM StarTropes
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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer.

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The Creon is basically the [[NumberTwo right-hand man]], king's ([[TheGoodChancellor good]] or [[EvilChancellor evil]]) advisor, chief general, TheDragon, or other somesuch person of considerable power or influence who is not himself at the pinnacle of the pyramid. He's the second-in-command. However, unlike TheStarscream, The Creon is decidedly ''not'' gunning for the first spot. Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility; maybe he's just fine where he is; maybe he respects his boss too much; or maybe the top spot is just too dangerous a place for a person like him. His job as second-in-command suits him just fine, and even if offered the top spot he just won't take it - regardless of how lucrative the offer.
9th Sep '17 11:35:51 AM Headrock
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To qualify as a Creon, the character must have had at least one chance to take all the power for himself, and actively refused to do so, whether for altruism, cowardice, lack of interest in leadership, or any other personal reason. It doesn't count if the character likes pulling strings and being the TheManBehindTheMan the character has to reject absolute power hidden or openly. If there was no other choice, and the Creon did in fact have to take the top spot, he must have relinquished it ''voluntarily'' as soon as the actual leader returned. The Creon always gravitates back to the second spot on his own accord, rather than being forced to stay there by circumstances, etiquette or regulations.

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To qualify as a Creon, the character must have had at least one chance to take all the power for himself, and actively refused to do so, whether for altruism, cowardice, lack of interest in leadership, or any other personal reason. It doesn't count if the character likes pulling strings and being the TheManBehindTheMan the character has to reject absolute power hidden or openly. If there was no other choice, and the Creon did in fact have to take the top spot, he must have relinquished it ''voluntarily'' as soon as the actual leader returned. The Creon always gravitates back to the second spot on his own accord, rather than being forced to stay there by circumstances, etiquette or regulations.



This trope is the opposite of TheStarscream, who spends almost all his time scheming to get rid of his superior and assume the top spot. Some of the less ambitious [[OpportunisticBastard OpportunisticBastards]] can be this if they are fine with someone else getting the lion's share as long as they get their piece. The Creon may be TheGoodChancellor, a SarcasticDevotee, a reliable DragonInChief (though there's many [[DragonInChief DragonsInChief]] who don't qualify because they like being technically in charge and only following nominally) or even a PoisonousFriend - there are many options.

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This trope is the opposite of TheStarscream, who spends almost all his time scheming to get rid of his superior and assume the top spot. Some of the less ambitious [[OpportunisticBastard OpportunisticBastards]] can be this if they are fine with someone else getting the lion's share as long as they get their piece. The Creon may be TheGoodChancellor, a SarcasticDevotee, a reliable DragonInChief (though there's many [[DragonInChief DragonsInChief]] who don't qualify because they like being technically in charge and only following nominally) or even a PoisonousFriend - there are many options.
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