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15th Jan '17 11:08:07 AM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutron''. When the Yolkians (the villains from TheMovie) come to the Earth, Jimmy says they're not to be trusted, [[CivilianVillain even after they seem harmless and give everyone free stuff]]. It turns out they ''were'' trying to destroy the Earth and were only giving them stuff to get on their good side. After saving the town, Jimmy makes them say "We were wrong and you were right" in English and French (and tries with Chinese, but nobody knows it). Really most of the time Jimmy is always right and will always be the one to solve the problem, [[IgnoredExpert but no one ever trusts him]] because [[InsufferableGenius he's such a jerk about it]] and half of the problems were [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused by him in the first place]].

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* Subverted in ''TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutron''.''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutronBoyGenius''. When the Yolkians (the villains from TheMovie) come to the Earth, Jimmy says they're not to be trusted, [[CivilianVillain even after they seem harmless and give everyone free stuff]]. It turns out they ''were'' trying to destroy the Earth and were only giving them stuff to get on their good side. After saving the town, Jimmy makes them say "We were wrong and you were right" in English and French (and tries with Chinese, but nobody knows it). Really most of the time Jimmy is always right and will always be the one to solve the problem, [[IgnoredExpert but no one ever trusts him]] because [[InsufferableGenius he's such a jerk about it]] and half of the problems were [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused by him in the first place]].
9th Dec '16 10:03:59 AM kyojikasshu
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** In the episode "Douche and Turd", Stan refuses to vote for either of the titular school mascot replacements because he thinks that both choices are stupid, and gets ''kicked out of town'' for his troubles. In what may be a combination of FamilyUnfriendlyAesop and BrokenAesop (considering Trey and Matt's own voter apathy), the episode ends with a message that a person should vote even if the choice is between a douche and a turd.

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** In the episode "Douche and Turd", Stan refuses to vote for either of the titular school mascot replacements because he thinks that both choices are stupid, and gets ''kicked out of town'' for his troubles. In what may be a combination of FamilyUnfriendlyAesop and BrokenAesop (considering Trey and Matt's own voter apathy), the episode ends with a message that a person should vote even if the choice is between a douche and a turd. And then they set fire to the remains of the Aesop by having the whole reason for the election nullified, thus rendering Stan's vote moot anyway.
30th Nov '16 11:25:05 AM AnoneMouseJr
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* ''Franchise/CareBears'': most of the characters are characterized by unique personality quirks, but GrumpyBear is unique in being the only bear to make a hobby out of finding the cloud wrapped around every silver lining (understandably, since the universe's opinion of him tends towards the ButtMonkey-esque.) Nonetheless, he remains quite possibly [[EnsembleDarkhorse the most awesome character on the show]], having cobbled together a fully-functional teleporter, survived an attack from a renegade bowl of fruit and ''playing baseball with lightning''. Even the latest TV series, which gives all the bears a special power unique to their symbol, happily grants Grumpy arguably the most broken power on the show... The complainer may usually be wrong, but even hunting for clouds among the silver linings sometimes has a silver lining. The trope is outright subverted in at least one ''FranchiseCareBears'' story involving Grumpy Bear; the other Care Bears spend the entire story trying to cheer Grumpy Bear up and only succeed in irritating him. Eventually they reach the revelation that Grumpy Bear is ''happy being grumpy'' and that they should just let him go on being so. Although one might interpret this as the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "If someone you care about is unhappy, don't bother trying to cheer them up because it won't work."

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* ''Franchise/CareBears'': most ''Franchise/CareBears'':
** Most
of the characters are characterized by unique personality quirks, but GrumpyBear is unique in being the only bear to make a hobby out of finding the cloud wrapped around every silver lining (understandably, since the universe's opinion of him tends towards the ButtMonkey-esque.) Nonetheless, he remains quite possibly [[EnsembleDarkhorse the most awesome character on the show]], having cobbled together a fully-functional teleporter, survived an attack from a renegade bowl of fruit and ''playing baseball with lightning''. Even the latest TV series, which gives all the bears a special power unique to their symbol, happily grants Grumpy arguably the most broken power on the show... The complainer may usually be wrong, but even hunting for clouds among the silver linings sometimes has a silver lining.
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The trope is outright subverted in at least one ''FranchiseCareBears'' story involving Grumpy Bear; story, in which the other Care Bears spend the entire story trying to cheer Grumpy Bear up and but only succeed in irritating him. Eventually they reach the revelation that Grumpy Bear is ''happy being grumpy'' and that they should just let him go on being so. Although one might interpret this as the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "If someone you care about is unhappy, don't bother trying to cheer them up because it won't work."



** On the Joes side, the token complainer is usually Shipwreck, though constant bellyaching is usually echoed by his allies. ("Oh, man, not ''push-ups'', I ''hate'' push-ups..." "''Everybody'' hates push-ups, Shipwreck, but we gotta do 'em. So pick up the pace!"). Still, while an effective member of the team, he tends to get in trouble when he goes off on his own. But the trouble he gets into tends to foil Cobra plots.

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** On the Joes side, the token complainer is usually Shipwreck, though his constant bellyaching is usually echoed by his allies. ("Oh, man, not ''push-ups'', I ''hate'' push-ups..." "''Everybody'' hates push-ups, Shipwreck, but we gotta do 'em. So pick up the pace!"). Still, while an effective member of the team, he tends to get in trouble when he goes off on his own. But the trouble he gets into tends to foil Cobra plots.



* Subverted in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats 2011}}'': the cats need to get into an elephant village held by the lizards, Lion-o decides they should go in quietly and use stealth, but Tygra argues that, given the lizards' superior firepower, they should charge in with the Thundertank. The cats are spotted and Lion-o's plan fails, then, just when it looks like the cats are doomed, Tygra comes in BigDamnHeroes-style with the Thundertank and saves the day

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* Subverted in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats 2011}}'': the cats need to get into an elephant village held by the lizards, Lion-o decides they should go in quietly and use stealth, but Tygra argues that, given the lizards' superior firepower, they should charge in with the Thundertank. The cats are spotted and Lion-o's plan fails, then, just when it looks like the cats are doomed, Tygra comes in BigDamnHeroes-style with the Thundertank and saves the dayday.
23rd Nov '16 2:49:12 PM rjd1922
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* This trope seemed to become a running gag in ''SonicX'', a recurring situation would come in which Knuckles would object to a team mission plan, usually leading the gang to use peer pressure and goad his ego and bravery until he gave in (just for ComedicSociopathy humor, even normally sweet characters like [[{{Moe}} Cream]] or unrelated background ones would join in bullying the poor guy). This was only worsened by the fact that a lot of times [[StrawmanHasAPoint he turned out to be right to doubt their plans]] (like the idea of gambling a chaos emerald in a baseball game that Eggman surely wouldn't cheat in) yet oddly Knuckles rarely ever called them out on it nor did [[BecauseISaidSo they really give much of an argument against it]] outside that [[MilesGloriosus he was a gutless hack]] for not agreeing to go along with their plan. Also led to MoralDissonance since the gang also spent a lot of time explaining to Knuckles how he shouldn't constantly fall for Eggman manipulating or tricking him into working for him.

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* This trope seemed to become a running gag in ''SonicX'', a recurring situation would come in which Knuckles would object to a team mission plan, usually leading the gang to use peer pressure and goad his ego and bravery until he gave in (just for ComedicSociopathy humor, even normally sweet characters like [[{{Moe}} Cream]] or unrelated background ones would join in bullying the poor guy). This was only worsened by the fact that a lot of times [[StrawmanHasAPoint he turned out to be right to doubt their plans]] (like the idea of gambling a chaos emerald Chaos Emerald in a baseball game that Eggman surely wouldn't cheat in) yet oddly Knuckles rarely ever called them out on it nor did [[BecauseISaidSo they really give much of an argument against it]] outside that [[MilesGloriosus he was a gutless hack]] for not agreeing to go along with their plan. Also led to MoralDissonance since the gang also spent a lot of time explaining to Knuckles how he shouldn't constantly fall for Eggman manipulating or tricking him into working for him.
14th Nov '16 7:31:11 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler:Ultimately double subverted]] in Hanako's route of ''KatawaShoujo'', Hisao spends most of the route complaining, in his narration and occasionally to others, that no one, not even the teachers, cares whether Hanako attends class. [[spoiler:In the good ending, he realizes that he is being overprotective and understands why Mutou allows Hanako to leave if she needs to do so.]]

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* [[spoiler:Ultimately double subverted]] in Hanako's route of ''KatawaShoujo'', ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'', Hisao spends most of the route complaining, in his narration and occasionally to others, that no one, not even the teachers, cares whether Hanako attends class. [[spoiler:In the good ending, he realizes that he is being overprotective and understands why Mutou allows Hanako to leave if she needs to do so.]]
2nd Nov '16 12:21:05 AM TropesForever
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* Jim Henson created some puppet characters to advertise Advertising/WilkinsCoffee. One was called Wilkins and one was called Wontkins. Wilkins would go on about how wonderful coffee was and would offer some to Wontkins, who would refuse. Wilkins would then shoot Wontkins with a cannon or drop something heavy on him. In one ad, Wilkins ''erased Wontkins from existence'' before cryptically saying to the camera, "If you don't like Wilkins, you don't go anywhere!" Less The Complainer Is Always Wrong, more The Complainer Must DIE! And as pointed out by a Website/{{Cracked}} article, the Muppet used as the Wilkins spokesman later evolved into KermitTheFrog.

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* Jim Henson Creator/JimHenson created some puppet characters to advertise Advertising/WilkinsCoffee. One was called Wilkins and one was called Wontkins. Wilkins would go on about how wonderful coffee was and would offer some to Wontkins, who would refuse. Wilkins would then shoot Wontkins with a cannon or drop something heavy on him. In one ad, Wilkins ''erased Wontkins from existence'' before cryptically saying to the camera, "If you don't like Wilkins, you don't go anywhere!" Less The Complainer Is Always Wrong, more The Complainer Must DIE! And as pointed out by a Website/{{Cracked}} article, the Muppet used as the Wilkins spokesman later evolved into KermitTheFrog.DIE!
22nd Oct '16 8:54:35 PM NWolfman
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* ''APupNamedScoobyDoo'' is an odd case. It's a subversion in the fact that the complainer, Daphne, is right in that the MonsterOfTheWeek is never real, yet she'll panic and run like the rest of them, crying out "Ghost!" when it jumps out to scare them. Granted, having a six-foot freaky looking creature hop out at you ''would'' make you panic, even if you didn't believe in them.

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* ''APupNamedScoobyDoo'' both subverted and parodied this.
** Daphne
is an odd case. It's a subversion in the fact subversion: she's always the first to rightfully point out that the complainer, Daphne, is right in that the MonsterOfTheWeek is never real, yet she'll panic and run like the rest of them, crying out "Ghost!" when it jumps out to scare them. Granted, having a six-foot freaky looking creature hop out at you ''would'' make you panic, even if you didn't believe in them.them.
** Fred, meanwhile, is the parody: a RunningGag of the series is to have Fred always immediately trace every single mystery back to a kid named [[MeaningfulName Red Herring]], who would never have anything to do with it. [[spoiler: The ''only'' episode where Red is guilty is, of course, one where Daphne dares Fred that he can't go a single mystery without blaming him]].
18th Sep '16 4:04:03 PM Rowdycmoore
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* DonaldDuck is frequently subject to this, especially in his confrontations with Chip and Dale, but "Crazy Over Daisy" is one of the worst: The chipmunks spend the entire short ridiculing, tormenting and abusing Donald to the point where they destroy his bicycle, and when he essentially punishes them by building a new bike that the chipmunks have to power, Daisy scolds and dumps Donald for being abusive to THEM.
10th Sep '16 3:35:14 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': In "Let He Who Is Without Sin", Worf is regarded as a big party-pooper throughout his trip to Risa. Yes, he should ease up a bit, but with how much Jadzia keeps shrugging off his requests to discuss their relationship, which was ''the'' reason they were going to Risa to begin with (which was also where ''she'' wanted to go, by the way), it's hard to blame him for finally losing his cool when he does.

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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': In "Let He Who Is Without Sin", Worf is regarded as a big party-pooper throughout his trip to Risa. Yes, he should ease up a bit, but with how much Jadzia keeps shrugging off his requests to discuss their relationship, which was ''the'' reason they were going to Risa to begin with (which was also where ''she'' wanted to go, by the way), it's hard to blame him for finally losing his cool when he does. At one point she shouts at him for pointing out she's ''allergic'' to the fruit in her drink order.
23rd Aug '16 8:58:19 AM AnimeSunglasses
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* Inverted in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. The Complainer of the group, Sokka, is also TheSmartGuy. Of course, Sokka is also The ButtMonkey, so it is played straight on occasion. Basically, if the thing being discussed is [[SingleIssueWonk a trivial matter]], Sokka will almost always be wrong, often for comedic effect. If it's something plot-relevant, [[ProperlyParanoid he's almost always right]].

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* Inverted and Played With in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. The Complainer of the group, Sokka, is also TheSmartGuy. Of course, Sokka is also The ButtMonkey, so it is played straight on occasion. Basically, if the thing being discussed is [[SingleIssueWonk a trivial matter]], Sokka will almost always be wrong, often for comedic effect. If it's something plot-relevant, [[ProperlyParanoid he's almost always right]].
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