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28th May '16 7:59:20 PM Kereea1
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** Several other Marines are shown to struggle with this trope. Garp actively avoided it, refusing any and all attempts to promote him to Admiral and stepped down to a lower rank in the same manner as Sengoku over the coverup. Kuzan had no interest in Sengoku's job and only even tried for it to prevent the zealous Sakazuki from taking it. And after the timeskip it's already wearing on Sakazuki, with his bosses the Five Elder Stars pushing him to make decisions even his ruthless sense of justice doesn't agree with for the sake of the government saving face at the cost of the Marines' honor.
18th May '16 7:43:35 PM LtFedora
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* ''[[Film/ThePhantomMenace Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace]] implies that this is happening to Chancellor Valorum in its novellisation, as he sounds and looks significantly older than a member of his house at his age should, burdened down by laws, protocol and ultimately his very own heritage, which all make it easy for the corrupt senate to work around the tired man.

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* ''[[Film/ThePhantomMenace Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace]] Menace]]'' implies that this is happening to Chancellor Valorum in its novellisation, as he sounds and looks significantly older than a member of his house at his age should, burdened down by laws, protocol and ultimately his very own heritage, which all make it easy for the corrupt senate to work around the tired man.
15th May '16 8:27:39 PM SonofAkatosh
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* Many people who knew George VI, his wife the Queen Mother especially, have long maintained that his suddenly becoming King in the wake of the Abdication, and the stresses of leading the British through the Second World War, are what ultimately killed him at the age of 56.
30th Mar '16 8:14:33 AM kyojikasshu
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* Rodimus Prime in series 3 of ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers''.

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* Rodimus Prime in series 3 of ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers''.''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' is often struggling with living up to the legacy of Optimus Prime, and at times is even willing to justify any excuse to give up command.
6th Mar '16 12:20:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* SpaceAboveAndBeyond: this trope was used several times by the main characters.
* StarCommand: Shane Ridnaur explains this to a cadet. The commanding officer is [[LonelyAtTheTop alone]] and must appear invincible to encourage confidence among the crew. Also titled "In the Fold". (This is a tv movie and not a film, therefore it belongs in the live action TV folder.) [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Command_(film)]]

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* SpaceAboveAndBeyond: ''Series/SpaceAboveAndBeyond'': this trope was used several times by the main characters.
* StarCommand: ''StarCommand'': Shane Ridnaur explains this to a cadet. The commanding officer is [[LonelyAtTheTop alone]] and must appear invincible to encourage confidence among the crew. Also titled "In the Fold". (This is a tv movie and not a film, therefore it belongs in the live action TV folder.) [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Command_(film)]]



** Londo Mollari of ''[[Series/BabylonFive Babylon 5]]'' [[LampshadeHanging remarks]] that he started with no power and all the choice in the world, and ended up with all the power in the world and no choice at all. Not only are his hands tied by the complex political machinations, but he's also [[spoiler:being [[PuppeteerParasite controlled by a Drakh Keeper]].]] In the end, he sulks in his throne room because [[spoiler:he can't bear the thought of accidentally looking at [[LookOnMyWorksYeMightyAndDespair the ruined Centauri homeworld and bursting into tears]].]]

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** Londo Mollari of ''[[Series/BabylonFive Babylon 5]]'' [[LampshadeHanging [[DiscussedTrope remarks]] that he started with no power and all the choice in the world, and ended up with all the power in the world and no choice at all. Not only are his hands tied by the complex political machinations, but he's also [[spoiler:being [[PuppeteerParasite controlled by a Drakh Keeper]].]] In the end, he sulks in his throne room because [[spoiler:he can't bear the thought of accidentally looking at [[LookOnMyWorksYeMightyAndDespair the ruined Centauri homeworld and bursting into tears]].]]



* President David Palmer of ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'' is a lot like this. President Allison Taylor more-so.

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* President David Palmer of ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'' ''Series/TwentyFour'' is a lot like this. President Allison Taylor more-so.
19th Feb '16 6:10:24 AM Willbyr
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19th Feb '16 6:10:12 AM Willbyr
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17th Feb '16 12:41:18 PM Morg34
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* [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 William Adama.]] Seeing as how the military affairs of all that's left of mankind are in his hands...Also, Laura Roslin as a non-military example.
** In the miniseries, at one point the Galactica is hit by a nuke. The damaged section's fires are endangering the ship and the automatic fire suppressors are out. Nearly a hundred of Tyrol's people are fighting the fires with handheld gear... when Tigh orders the section to be sealed off and the atmosphere to be vented, putting out the fires and [[ThrownOutTheAirlock killing everyone inside]]. Understandably, Tyrol tries to protest but not only Tigh is his superior officer, they don't really have a choice because [[SadisticChoice if they wait until everyone gets out, the fire will reach the fuel lines and blow the whole ship to smithereens]]. Afterwards, Tyrol tries to appeal to Adama and almost breaks down in tears right then and there, had it not for Adama's GetAHoldOfYourselfMan DeathGlare.

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* [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'':
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William Adama.]] Adama. Seeing as how the military affairs of all that's left of mankind are in his hands...Also, Laura Roslin as a non-military example.
hands, dropping the ball even once means humanity's last chance is gone.
** In the miniseries, at one point the Galactica is hit by a nuke. The damaged section's fires are endangering the ship and the automatic fire suppressors are out. Nearly a hundred of Tyrol's people are fighting the fires with handheld gear... when Tigh orders the section to be sealed off and the atmosphere to be vented, putting out the fires and [[ThrownOutTheAirlock killing everyone inside]]. Understandably, Tyrol tries to protest but not only Tigh is his superior officer, they don't really have a choice because [[SadisticChoice [[ColdEquation if they wait until everyone gets out, the fire will reach the fuel lines and blow the whole ship to smithereens]]. Afterwards, Tyrol tries to appeal to Adama and almost breaks down in tears right then and there, had it not for Adama's GetAHoldOfYourselfMan DeathGlare.
17th Feb '16 12:37:43 PM Morg34
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* ''Film/TheKingsSpeech'' shows what [[TheUnfavourite Albert]] [[WellDoneSonGuy went through]] [[SpartanSibling growing up]] [[TheWoobie in the royal family]] and later, being the king after his brother abdicates. Shortly after he is declared king, [[TearJerker he breaks down]] because he has no idea how to handle the pressure.
-->'''Albert''': "I'm just a naval officer... ''[sobs]'' I don't know how to do anything else..."
** Reference to how constrictive the business of "kinging" shows up over and over again in the film, from beginning to be end, spoken by all three kings (George V, Edward VIII, and George VI). As constitutional monarchs, they have virtually no power. But they have a great deal of responsibility in meeting the expectations of their people that limit their freedom to do as they choose.

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* ''Film/TheKingsSpeech'' shows what [[TheUnfavourite Albert]] [[WellDoneSonGuy went through]] [[SpartanSibling growing up]] [[TheWoobie in the royal family]] and later, being the king after his brother abdicates. Shortly after he is declared king, [[TearJerker he breaks down]] because he has no idea how to handle the pressure.
-->'''Albert''': "I'm just a naval officer... ''[sobs]'' I don't know how to do anything else..."
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pressure. Reference to how constrictive the business of "kinging" shows up over and over again in the film, from beginning to be end, spoken by all three kings (George V, Edward VIII, and George VI). As constitutional monarchs, they have virtually no power. But they have a great deal of responsibility in meeting the expectations of their people that limit their freedom to do as they choose.



*** This is a quite tragic case of TruthInTelevision. Being king has been described to have practically killed George VI (notably by biographers of his daughter, Queen Elizabeth II), who died quite young after leading Britain through WorldWarII and the dissolution of its empire.



** Janeway started to embody this trope over the course of ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]''. Entire episodes would revolve around her being forced to make tough calls about whether or not to compromise the Federation's ideals in order to help get Voyager home.
** Sisko lives and breathes this trope from day one. He has to deal with the volatile and extreme politics of Bajor, the machinations of the Cardassians, the [[spoiler:Dominion War]], his role as Emissary to the Prophets, an (initially) uncooperative First Officer and the difficulties of single fatherhood on top of his regular duties as the commanding officer of Starfleet busiest and most strategically important space station.
** Really, this has been in Trek ever since the ''very first pilot'', where [[ThePeteBest Captain Christopher Pike]] discusses the possibility of resigning, tired of being responsible for the lives and deaths of his crew.
** One episode of ''Next Gen'' features Troi taking the Bridge Officer's Test, which she keeps failing until she realizes that the win condition is saving the ship by sending a virtual crewman to certain death.
*** This in turn ties into an earlier episode where, due to an accident, Troi is stuck as the senior most officer on the bridge but her rank was conferred based on her counselor position, not her technical or command experience. So she has to rely on the junior officers to explain the situation to her and make a gut call which, based on the above latter episode, she made wrong. Its only by luck that her decision didn't get anyone killed, something that she acknowledges which is what leads her to seek that Bridge Officer qualification later on.
** Another episode of [=TNG=] has Picard set finally this aside to join the bridge crew's poker game. Riker tells him he was welcome all along.
* General George Hammond of ''Series/StargateSG1'' has it tough as head of Stargate Command. He has to juggle the conflicting issues of his SG teams and their safety, the Air Force, the President, other politicians, and of course, the safety of the Galaxy as a whole. The point is driven home when Jack O'Neill is promoted and takes over for Hammond and almost quits because "he can't fill Hammond's shoes".
** Same thing with Dr. Weir, Colonel Carter, and Mr. Woolsey during their respective times as the leader of Atlantis. While the IOA likes to interfere and chew them out for not following protocol, they always refuse to make decisions, instead leaving the leader to make the tough calls and then deal with being chewed out for making said tough decisions (vicious cycle, no?)

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** Janeway started to embody Really, this trope over has been in Trek ever since the course ''very first pilot'' of ''[[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]''. Entire episodes would revolve around her ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', where [[ThePeteBest Captain Christopher Pike]] discusses the possibility of resigning, tired of being forced responsible for the lives and deaths of his crew.
** One episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' features Troi taking the Bridge Officer's Test, which she keeps failing until she realizes that the win condition is saving the ship by sending a virtual crewman
to certain death. This in turn ties into an earlier episode where, due to an accident, Troi is stuck as the senior most officer on the bridge but her rank was conferred based on her counselor position, not her technical or command experience. So she has to rely on the junior officers to explain the situation to her and make tough calls about whether or not to compromise a gut call which, based on the Federation's ideals in order to help above latter episode, she made wrong. Its only by luck that her decision didn't get Voyager home.
anyone killed, something that she acknowledges which is what leads her to seek that Bridge Officer qualification later on.
** Sisko lives and breathes this trope from day one.one of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''. He has to deal with the volatile and extreme politics of Bajor, the machinations of the Cardassians, the [[spoiler:Dominion War]], his role as Emissary to the Prophets, an (initially) uncooperative First Officer and the difficulties of single fatherhood on top of his regular duties as the commanding officer of Starfleet busiest and most strategically important space station.
** Really, Janeway started to embody this has been in Trek ever since trope over the ''very first pilot'', where [[ThePeteBest Captain Christopher Pike]] discusses the possibility course of resigning, tired of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager''. Entire episodes would revolve around her being responsible for the lives and deaths of his crew.
** One episode of ''Next Gen'' features Troi taking the Bridge Officer's Test, which she keeps failing until she realizes that the win condition is saving the ship by sending a virtual crewman
forced to certain death.
*** This in turn ties into an earlier episode where, due to an accident, Troi is stuck as the senior most officer on the bridge but her rank was conferred based on her counselor position, not her technical or command experience. So she has to rely on the junior officers to explain the situation to her and
make a gut call which, based on tough calls about whether or not to compromise the above latter episode, she made wrong. Its only by luck that her decision didn't Federation's ideals in order to help get anyone killed, something that she acknowledges which is what leads her to seek that Bridge Officer qualification later on.
Voyager home.
* ''Franchise/StargateVerse'':
** Another episode of [=TNG=] has Picard set finally this aside to join the bridge crew's poker game. Riker tells him he was welcome all along.
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General George Hammond of ''Series/StargateSG1'' has it tough as head of Stargate Command. He has to juggle the conflicting issues of his SG teams and their safety, the Air Force, the President, other politicians, and of course, the safety of the Galaxy as a whole. The point is driven home when Jack O'Neill is promoted and takes over for Hammond and almost quits because "he can't fill Hammond's shoes".
** Same thing with Dr. Weir, Colonel Carter, and Mr. Woolsey during their respective times as the leader of Atlantis.Atlantis in ''Series/StargateAtlantis''. While the IOA likes to interfere and chew them out for not following protocol, they always refuse to make decisions, instead leaving the leader to make the tough calls and then deal with being chewed out for making said tough decisions (vicious cycle, no?)



** The Scoobies finally revolt late in season 7 when they disagreed with one of Buffy's conclusions. She was right, but her attitude about it certainly worsened matters.
*** Faith later confesses to Buffy that while she was in charge, she felt it too.



* In one of the more humanizing moments for Dr. Kelso in ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'', he puts Dr. Cox in charge of trying to figure out how to balance the budget without firing someone. Much to Cox's chagrin, he can't, and Kelso points out that he doesn't (always) make his decisions because he's a {{jerkass}}; sometimes, it's the only way to keep Sacred Heart running.

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In one of the more humanizing moments for Dr. Kelso in ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'', Kelso, he puts Dr. Cox in charge of trying to figure out how to balance the budget without firing someone. Much to Cox's chagrin, he can't, and Kelso points out that he doesn't (always) make his decisions because he's a {{jerkass}}; sometimes, it's the only way to keep Sacred Heart running.
15th Feb '16 7:25:42 PM Willbyr
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