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20th May '16 2:03:41 PM Shadowgazer
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History has plenty of examples of this trope, especially in stories of failed rebellions against a powerful empire or recountings of real life tragedies. But in Fictionland, when this kind of ending shows up, it's often used either as a [[SequelHook hook for a sequel]] that will give the hero (or a new hero) the chance to succeed where they failed in the first one, or as a way of showing how much of an utter, hopeless CrapsackWorld that the characters live in -- particularly in the case of {{Dystopia}}s, where it serves as a warning to those living in the here and now not to let this kind of thing happen for real. There can be any number of other reasons for the bad guy winning: simply for the sake of a twist ending (especially in horror stories, which are often most effective if they leave the audience with a hugely emotionally negative final shock); out of the writer's desire to be original or to throw in a new twist to keep things fresh or unpredictable; or just because the writer couldn't find any other way to end the story which suited them. Sometimes it may all just be part of a BlackComedy anyway.

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History has plenty of examples of this trope, especially in stories of failed rebellions against a powerful empire or recountings of real life tragedies. But in Fictionland, when this kind of ending shows up, it's often used either as a [[SequelHook hook for a sequel]] that will give the hero (or a new hero) the chance to succeed where they failed in the first one, or as a way of showing how much of an utter, hopeless CrapsackWorld that the characters live in -- particularly in the case of {{Dystopia}}s, where it serves as a warning to those living in the here and now not to let this kind of thing happen for real. There can be any number of other reasons for the bad guy winning: simply for the sake of a twist ending (especially in horror stories, which are often most effective if they leave the audience with a hugely emotionally negative final shock); out of the writer's desire to be original or to throw in a new twist to keep things fresh or unpredictable; or just because the writer couldn't find any other way to end the story which suited them. Sometimes it may all just be part of a BlackComedy anyway.



Some stories may attempt to use this trope, yet still try to soften the blow. Perhaps the villain's goal is [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans ultimately a good thing]]. Or the heroes are really NotSoDifferent after all (especially true if they're VillainProtagonist characters up against a 'good' antagonist) and [[AssholeVictim their loutish behavior keeps us from feeling too sorry for them]]. Another variant is for the villain to create a VillainWorld that the heroes must topple in a future story.

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Some stories may attempt to use this trope, yet still try to soften the blow. Perhaps the villain's goal is [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans ultimately a good thing]]. Or the heroes are really NotSoDifferent after all (especially true if they're VillainProtagonist characters up against a 'good' nicer antagonist) and [[AssholeVictim their loutish behavior keeps us from feeling too sorry for them]]. Another variant is for the villain to create a VillainWorld that the heroes must topple in a future story.



Compare PyrrhicVillainy when the villain's victory came at a great cost.

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Compare PyrrhicVillainy when the villain's victory came at a great cost.
cost. This is NOT necessarily the same with KarmaHoudini and DownerEnding, as there are plenty of happy endings where villains escape unscathed and a plenty of DownerEnding s where the villains suffer as much as everyone.
7th May '16 5:19:18 PM Discar
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-->-- '''Yuri Orlov, ''Film/LordOfWar''

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-->-- '''Yuri Orlov, Orlov''', ''Film/LordOfWar''
7th May '16 5:19:08 PM Discar
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->''"They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act". What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails".''
-->-'''Yuri Orlov, ''Film/LordOfWar''.'''

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->''"They say, "Evil 'Evil prevails when good men fail to act". act.' What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails".''
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-->-- '''Yuri
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29th Mar '16 5:43:44 AM tropeminer
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->''"They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act". What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails".

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->''"They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act". What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails".''
29th Mar '16 4:56:03 AM tropeminer
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->''"They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act". What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails".
-->-'''Yuri Orlov, ''Film/LordOfWar''.'''
19th Feb '16 5:06:53 PM DanMat6288
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See also: DownerEnding, KarmaHoudini, IndustrializedEvil, and ShootTheShaggyDog. {{Dystopia}}s often end this way. Compare TeamRocketWins, when the bad guys in question are usually so [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain ineffectual]] the audience may actually be ''happy'' for them to catch a break. Contrast TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin. Can overlap with GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel. May be considered a form of YouCantThwartStageOne if it happens in a serial work. Also compare MeaninglessVillainVictory, in which The Bad Guy Wins, but the victory is rendered hollow or meaningless or actually becomes a defeat due to some technicality or unforeseen chance.

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See also: DownerEnding, KarmaHoudini, IndustrializedEvil, and ShootTheShaggyDog. {{Dystopia}}s often end this way. Compare TeamRocketWins, when the bad guys in question are usually so [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain ineffectual]] the audience may actually be ''happy'' for them to catch a break. Contrast TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin. Can overlap with GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel. May be considered a form of YouCantThwartStageOne if it happens in a serial work. Also compare MeaninglessVillainVictory, in which The Bad Guy Wins, but the victory is rendered hollow or meaningless or actually becomes a defeat due to some technicality or unforeseen chance.
chance. NearVillainVictory is a typical subversion of the trope in which the bad guy does win for a time, only for the good guys to rebound and take that victory away.
30th Dec '15 2:04:43 PM eroock
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[[caption-width-right:320:[[AffablyEvil It's not that horrible]].]]


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24th Apr '15 4:17:45 PM TheUnknownUploader
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See also: DownerEnding, KarmaHoudini, IndustrializedEvil, and ShootTheShaggyDog. {{Dystopia}}s often end this way. Compare TeamRocketWins. Contrast TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin. Can overlap with GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel. May be considered a form of YouCantThwartStageOne if it happens in a serial work. Also compare MeaninglessVillainVictory, in which The Bad Guy Wins, but the victory is rendered hollow or meaningless or actually becomes a defeat due to some technicality or unforeseen chance.

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See also: DownerEnding, KarmaHoudini, IndustrializedEvil, and ShootTheShaggyDog. {{Dystopia}}s often end this way. Compare TeamRocketWins.TeamRocketWins, when the bad guys in question are usually so [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain ineffectual]] the audience may actually be ''happy'' for them to catch a break. Contrast TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin. Can overlap with GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel. May be considered a form of YouCantThwartStageOne if it happens in a serial work. Also compare MeaninglessVillainVictory, in which The Bad Guy Wins, but the victory is rendered hollow or meaningless or actually becomes a defeat due to some technicality or unforeseen chance.
26th Mar '15 6:18:15 PM Ultimatum
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->''"Gentlemen. Since you are about to die anyway, I [[LampshadeHanging may as well]] [[JustBetweenYouAndMe tell you the entire plot]]! Think of villains, Jack. You want Literature/{{Dracula}}? Dra-cool-la? Hang on, (takes out the [[PlotCoupon ticket]]) I'll fetch him. Dracula? Huh. I can get Film/KingKong! We'll have a [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet nightmare with Freddy Krueger]], have a surprise party for UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler; [[Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]] can [[ImAHumanitarian do the catering]], and then we'll have a christening for Film/RosemarysBaby! All I have to do is snap my fingers and they'll be here. They're lining up to get here, and do you know why, Jack? Should I tell you why? Hmm? Because [[ThisIsReality here, in this world]], '''the bad guys can win!'''"''
-->-- '''Benedict''', ''Film/LastActionHero''

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->''"Gentlemen. Since you are about to die anyway, I [[LampshadeHanging may as well]] [[JustBetweenYouAndMe tell you the entire plot]]! Think of villains, Jack. You want Literature/{{Dracula}}? Dra-cool-la? Hang on, (takes out the [[PlotCoupon ticket]]) I'll fetch him. Dracula? Huh. I can get Film/KingKong! We'll have a [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet nightmare with Freddy Krueger]], have a surprise party for UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler; [[Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]] can [[ImAHumanitarian do the catering]], and then we'll have a christening for Film/RosemarysBaby! All I have to do is snap my fingers and they'll be here. They're lining up to get here, and do you know why, Jack? Should I tell you why? Hmm? Because [[ThisIsReality here, in this world]], '''the bad guys can win!'''"''
-->-- '''Benedict''', ''Film/LastActionHero''



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14th Dec '14 11:44:29 PM LordXavius
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