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30th Apr '16 2:00:29 AM Aubren
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* Usually, this is the Classical response of atheists, agnostics, deists, Epicureans and the like to accusations of nihilism and hedonism, since some theists think that if there is no god or gods (or the god in question is apathetic) who will give us a meaning in such a miserable life, everyone would be DrivenToSuicide. "The fact that we have only one life to live should make it all the more precious." Also, some philosophers say that one must find their own meaning in life, not a pre-made one.

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* Usually, this is the Classical response of atheists, agnostics, deists, Epicureans and the like to accusations of nihilism and hedonism, hedonism; since some theists think that if there is no god or gods (or the god in question is apathetic) who will give us a meaning in such a miserable life, everyone would be DrivenToSuicide. "The fact that we have only one life to live should make it all the more precious." Also, some philosophers say that one must find their own meaning in life, not a pre-made one.
30th Apr '16 1:56:46 AM Aubren
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* The {{Final Boss}}es of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' heavily imply that this is the reason why Sans acts the way he does. He mentions during banter in the No Mercy run that he gave up trying to go back long ago after he figured out [[RippleEffectProofMemory the nature of determination and the ability to SAVE]].

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* The {{Final Boss}}es of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' heavily imply that this is the reason why Sans acts the way he does. He mentions during banter in the No Mercy run that he gave up trying to go back long ago after he figured out [[RippleEffectProofMemory the nature of determination and the ability to SAVE]].SAVE.
27th Apr '16 12:06:34 PM PeppermintTwist
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* The song "Matches" by Sifu Hotman, [[ColbertBump featured on]] ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightvale'' address this kind of mentality, and about how humanity is capable of truly awe-inspiring things, regardless of there being no greater purpose in life.
--> The reason I'm not a nihilist\\
Is someday I wanna live like they do in Star Trek
19th Apr '16 11:46:04 AM Mabus101
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** For this reason, C.S. Lewis considered Norse religion the noblest form of paganism, and wrote that if God told us he was dying, it was better to die nobly with him than to join the forces killing him and "win".
13th Apr '16 10:07:27 PM KingClark
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* Creator/MorganFreeman's Det. Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (an Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):

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* Creator/MorganFreeman's Det. Detective Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (an Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):
10th Apr '16 5:54:36 AM ading
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** He's slightly different from the example, but Rorschach has a similar philosophy. Instead of abandoning rules and discipline due to a nihilistic outlook he decides his rules and principles are all the more important in a world that has no more meaning than the one we impose on it.

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** He's slightly different from the example, but Despite being totally batshit psycho, Rorschach has is a similar philosophy.textbook example. Instead of abandoning rules and discipline due to a nihilistic outlook he decides his rules and principles are all the more important in a world that has no more meaning than the one we impose on it.



** Rorschach's therapist, Malcolm Long, who becomes influenced by his philosophy, also comes to a similar conclusion. When his wife tells him not to intervene in a street fight, he says: "I have to. In a world like this... I mean, it's all we can do, try to help each other. It's all that means anything..." [[spoiler: And then they--and half of New York City--die. Not exactly a subversion, but certainly tragic.]]

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** Rorschach's therapist, Malcolm Long, who becomes influenced by his philosophy, also comes to a similar conclusion. When his wife tells him not to intervene in a street fight, he says: "I have to. In a world like this... I mean, it's all we can do, try to help each other. It's all that means anything..." [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And then they--and half of New York City--die. Not exactly a subversion, but certainly tragic.]]]]
** [[UnreliableExpositor Rorschach describes]] The Comedian as being someone who understood the pointlessness of life and never let that fact stop him from trying to make it better. In truth, The Comedian was a StrawNihilist who felt that life being meaningless made morality meaningless as well and gave him an excuse to do whatever he wanted, including raping and murdering people.
9th Apr '16 6:53:00 PM Fireblood
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* In ''Film/TheSeventhSeal'', Block ultimately becomes this. He can't find God or any meaning in life, so his final quest is to perform some meaningful act to validate his life. He attempt to distract Death to let Mia and Jof and their young child escape alive by overturning the [[ChessWithDeath game of chess]] that could result in his death. Death simply resets the pieces, saying he is glad that Block got some joy out of the altruistic gesture, but also implying that it changed nothing.

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* In ''Film/TheSeventhSeal'', Block ultimately becomes this. He can't find God or any meaning in life, so his final quest is to perform some meaningful act to validate his life. He attempt attempts to distract Death to let Mia and Jof and their young child escape alive by overturning the [[ChessWithDeath game of chess]] that could result in his death. Death simply resets the pieces, saying he is glad that Block got some joy out of the altruistic gesture, but also implying that it changed nothing.



-->'''Rufus:''' Be Excellent to Each Other and Party On, Dudes

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-->'''Rufus:''' Be Excellent to Each Other and Party On, DudesDudes.



* Creator/MorganFreeman's Det. Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (An Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):

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* Creator/MorganFreeman's Det. Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (An (an Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):
9th Apr '16 6:48:41 PM Fireblood
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This, however, is turned around when Alvy shares another joke at the very end of the film[[note]]This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, "Doc, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And, the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs."[[/note]] and rationalizes that he has a reason to endure all of the absurdity and suffering "because he needs the eggs". The theme is also exemplified through Dr. Flicker's viewpoint in his talk with young Alvy and his mother, when young Alvy had concluded that nothing is important because the the universe is expanding and everything in existence will fall apart.

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This, however, is turned around when Alvy shares another joke at the very end of the film[[note]]This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, "Doc, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And, the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs."[[/note]] and rationalizes that he has a reason to endure all of the absurdity and suffering "because he needs the eggs". The theme is also exemplified through Dr. Flicker's viewpoint in his talk with young Alvy and his mother, when young Alvy had concluded that nothing is important because the the universe is expanding and everything in existence will fall apart.



** In ''Film/StardustMemories'', [[AuthorAvatar Sandy Bates is a director of many comedy films who started to tell more serious stories]] because he started finding life to be too miserable and full of suffering and nothing seemed funny to him anymore. [[FilmWithinAFilm His latest movie]] is about delivering a message along the lines of, "No matter who you are or what you did, your life is headed for a garbage dump." He desperately searches for meaning in life, discovering that he'd find it in love and enjoyment in such, despite maintaining that everyone is just headed for the metaphorical "garbage dump".

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** In ''Film/StardustMemories'', [[AuthorAvatar Sandy Bates is a director of many comedy films who started to tell more serious stories]] because he started finding life to be too miserable and full of suffering and nothing seemed funny to him anymore. [[FilmWithinAFilm His latest movie]] is about delivering a message along the lines of, of "No matter who you are or what you did, your life is headed for a garbage dump." He desperately searches for meaning in life, discovering that he'd find it in love and enjoyment in such, despite maintaining that everyone is just headed for the metaphorical "garbage dump".
6th Apr '16 6:22:37 AM Willbyr
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Instead of angsting all the time about "[[CrapsackWorld Life is hell,]] [[DownerEnding we're all gonna die]] [[YouCantFightFate and you can't fight fate,]] [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery thus we might as well start killing each other right now]]", this type thinks more like "Life is hell, we're all gonna die and you can't fight fate... [[YouAreNotAlone but why not make each others' lives worthwhile and enjoyable in the meantime?]] [[ForGreatJustice The only thing that matters is letting people know that you care about them, because whatever someone is, has, or can do doesn't mean a damned thing in the end.]]" The Anti-Nihilist is usually a KnightInSourArmor who knows how cynical the world is, but decides to stick to a particular value and make meaning out of it, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite knowing how utterly meaningless, pointless and nonrewarding doing so is]].

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Instead of angsting all the time about "[[CrapsackWorld Life is hell,]] hell]], [[DownerEnding we're all gonna die]] [[YouCantFightFate and you can't fight fate,]] fate]], [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery thus we might as well start killing each other right now]]", this type thinks more like "Life is hell, we're all gonna die and you can't fight fate... [[YouAreNotAlone but why not make each others' lives worthwhile and enjoyable in the meantime?]] meantime]]? [[ForGreatJustice The only thing that matters is letting people know that you care about them, because whatever someone is, has, or can do doesn't mean a damned thing in the end.]]" end]]." The Anti-Nihilist is usually a KnightInSourArmor who knows how cynical the world is, but decides to stick to a particular value and make meaning out of it, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite knowing how utterly meaningless, pointless and nonrewarding doing so is]].



--->'''Jack:''' [[http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-sensei-negima/316/5 Truth? Meaning? That crap ain't got nothing to do with my life!]]
** Fate Averruncus appears to be growing into this as of late. [[spoiler:[[SincerityMode Thanks a lot, Rakan-san.]]]]

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--->'''Jack:''' [[http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-sensei-negima/316/5 Truth? Meaning? That crap ain't got nothing to do with my life!]]
life!
** Fate Averruncus appears to be growing into this as of late.this. [[spoiler:[[SincerityMode Thanks a lot, Rakan-san.]]]]



** Shinji Ikari grows into this trope at the end of ''[[TheMovie End of Evangelion]]''. With all the hell he's put through, and with the [[MindRape horrifying]] EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, it would make sense that he would jump into the DespairEventHorizon and become an [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]] StrawNihilist, especially when [[spoiler:Rei gives him control over the fate of humanity]]. Nevertheless, he [[spoiler:lets the AssimilationPlot fail, and]] chooses to live life as an individual. Based on how you interpret it, ''Evangelion'' itself is loaded with Existentialist themes, like Jean-Paul Sartre's "[[Theatre/NoExit Hell Is Other People]]" (in ''Eva'', the so-called Absolute Terror Field surrounding all souls), but at the same time affirms that being alive and suffering are parts of life and that happiness can be achieved.
** Kaji also has very strong traits of it. He knows more about what's going on than almost anyone else, yet he's the only character who appears genuinely happy. During one very close battle against an angel that appears to be the final moments before the end of the world, he is watering the melon patch he is growing, with the battle being visible in the distance. If the world does not end on that day, then the melons need to be watered. If it does, then it won't matter what he is doing in the final moments anyway. Either way, he can't do anything to change what's going to happen in the next ten minutes.

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** Shinji Ikari grows into this trope at the end of ''[[TheMovie End of Evangelion]]''. With all the hell he's put through, and with the [[MindRape horrifying]] EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, it would make sense that he would jump into the DespairEventHorizon and become an [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]] {{omnicidal|Maniac}} StrawNihilist, especially when [[spoiler:Rei gives him control over the fate of humanity]]. Nevertheless, he [[spoiler:lets the AssimilationPlot fail, and]] chooses to live life as an individual. Based on how you interpret it, ''Evangelion'' itself is loaded with Existentialist themes, like Jean-Paul Sartre's "[[Theatre/NoExit Hell Is Other People]]" (in ''Eva'', the so-called Absolute Terror Field surrounding all souls), but at the same time affirms that being alive and suffering are parts of life and that happiness can be achieved.
** Kaji also has very strong traits of it. He knows more about what's going on than almost anyone else, yet he's the only character who appears genuinely happy. During one very close battle against an angel Angel that appears to be the final moments before the end of the world, he is watering the melon patch he is growing, with the battle being visible in the distance. If the world does not end on that day, then the melons need to be watered. If it does, then it won't matter what he is doing in the final moments anyway. Either way, he can't do anything to change what's going to happen in the next ten minutes.



* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Toy Story}}'', Buzz Lightyear experiences a major HeroicBSOD when he realizes that he's a toy and not a real space ranger. This trope comes into play when he accepts who he really is and what he ''can'' do.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Toy Story}}'', ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', Buzz Lightyear experiences a major HeroicBSOD when he realizes that he's a toy and not a real space ranger. This trope comes into play when he accepts who he really is and what he ''can'' do.



-->'''Woody:''' Why wouldn't Andy want you? Look at you! You're a Buzz Lightyear! Any other toy would give up his moving parts just to ''be'' you. You've got wings! You glow in the dark! You talk! Your helmet does [[BuffySpeak that... that... that "whoosh" thing]]! ''You'' are a cool toy! As a matter of fact, you're too cool. I mean-- [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter I mean, what chance does a toy like me have against a Buzz Lightyear action figure? ...Why would Andy ever want to play with me, when he's got you?]]

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-->'''Woody:''' Why wouldn't Andy want you? Look at you! You're a Buzz Lightyear! Any other toy would give up his moving parts just to ''be'' you. You've got wings! You glow in the dark! You talk! Your helmet does [[BuffySpeak that... that... that "whoosh" thing]]! ''You'' are a cool toy! As a matter of fact, you're too cool. I mean-- [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter mean--[[AlwaysSomeoneBetter I mean, what chance does a toy like me have against a Buzz Lightyear action figure? ...Why would Andy ever want to play with me, when he's got you?]]



* Creator/MorganFreeman's Dt. Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (An Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):

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* Creator/MorganFreeman's Dt.Det. Somerset becomes this by the end of ''Film/{{Seven}}'', exemplified by his final line (An Creator/ErnestHemingway quote):



** This is a significant plot point in ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'': Death is convinced that the real reason for concepts like the Hogfather (and the reason [[spoiler: the Auditors]] want to destroy them) is [[spoiler: training - if you learn to believe in the little lies, you can believe in the big ones, like, for example, [[StrawNihilist justice or mercy]]]]. Susan affirms her belief in the necessity for this belief, and, in possibly the most [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming heartwaring moment in the story]], Death agrees:
-->[[AC: '''Death:''' [[spoiler:You need to believe in things that aren't true; how else can they ''become?'']]]]

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** This is a significant plot point in ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'': Death is convinced that the real reason for concepts like the Hogfather (and the reason [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Auditors]] want to destroy them) is [[spoiler: training [[spoiler:training - if you learn to believe in the little lies, you can believe in the big ones, like, for example, [[StrawNihilist justice or mercy]]]]. Susan affirms her belief in the necessity for this belief, and, in possibly the most [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming heartwaring moment in the story]], Death agrees:
-->[[AC: '''Death:''' --->[[AC:'''Death:''' [[spoiler:You need to believe in things that aren't true; how else can they ''become?'']]]]



* Nurgle, the Chaos God of disease and despair in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is, suprisingly enough, like this. Yes, all things will eventually die and rot, and you will most likely never achieve your dreams, but does that matter? Instead of angsting over it or spending you life trying to reach an impossible goal, you should just be happy with what you have. Nurgle loves you no matter what you do. Of course he is the god of disease, so while he genuinely does care for you, his idea of caring involves "gifting" people with terrible diseases...

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* Nurgle, the Chaos God of disease and despair in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is, suprisingly surprisingly enough, like this. Yes, all things will eventually die and rot, and you will most likely never achieve your dreams, but does that matter? Instead of angsting over it or spending you life trying to reach an impossible goal, you should just be happy with what you have. Nurgle loves you no matter what you do. Of course he is the god of disease, so while he genuinely does care for you, his idea of caring involves "gifting" people with terrible diseases...







* In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Shirou lives his life by this sort of doctrine, even though he doesn't realize it. The "Unlimited Blade Works" route causes him to actively seek it, as he realizes his life is empty and the only thing he finds meaning in is selflessly sacrificing himself for others.
** It's not too uncommon for ''{{Franchise/Nasuverse}}'' protagonists to be Anti-Nihilists. ''{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}}'''s protagonist, Shiki. holds a similar view. The main difference between his and Shirou's outlooks is that Shiki sees everything as meaningless because of his Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, which force him to see the world and everything in it as being as fragile as cardboard, and as such can derive meaning for himself simply from living a good life in what little time he has (and he has even less than a normal person, also as a result of his powers).

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* It's not too uncommon for ''{{Franchise/Nasuverse}}'' protagonists to be Anti-Nihilists.
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In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Shirou lives his life by this sort of doctrine, even though he doesn't realize it. The "Unlimited Blade Works" route causes him to actively seek it, as he realizes his life is empty and the only thing he finds meaning in is selflessly sacrificing himself for others.
** It's not too uncommon for ''{{Franchise/Nasuverse}}'' protagonists to be Anti-Nihilists. ''{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}}'''s protagonist, Shiki. holds a similar view. The main difference between his and Shirou's outlooks is that Shiki sees everything as meaningless because of his Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, which force him to see the world and everything in it as being as fragile as cardboard, and as such can derive meaning for himself simply from living a good life in what little time he has (and he has even less than a normal person, also as a result of his powers).



* Dechs of ''Webcomic/{{Antihero for Hire}}'' once got a medium-sized [[HannibalLecture lecture]] from a mercenary out to kill him ([[CasualDangerDialog during the fight]]), about how his morals are meaningless and the people he protects would not return the favour and so on. Eventually the mercenary left, making it clear that he probably could win, but it [[MoneyDearBoy wasn't worth the risk]]; but it left him rattled and doubting everything. At the end of the chapter, [[MissionControl Wrench]] shakes him out of it by simply asking "does it matter if it matters?".

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* Dechs of ''Webcomic/{{Antihero for Hire}}'' ''Webcomic/AntiheroForHire'' once got a medium-sized [[HannibalLecture lecture]] from a mercenary out to kill him ([[CasualDangerDialog during the fight]]), about how his morals are meaningless and the people he protects would not return the favour and so on. Eventually the mercenary left, making it clear that he probably could win, but it [[MoneyDearBoy wasn't worth the risk]]; but it left him rattled and doubting everything. At the end of the chapter, [[MissionControl Wrench]] shakes him out of it by simply asking "does it matter if it matters?".





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