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5th Jul '16 12:34:24 PM StClair
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** Played straight for the pilot. The front cockpit's instrument panel is populated entirely by round analog dials. No digital readouts, no cathode-ray tubes, no flat-panel LCDs.
*** The '''back'''seat cockpit, on the other hand, is where the Reconnaissance Systems Operator's instruments are, and while the vast majority of that instrument panel's content is STILL classified top-secret, we ''do'' know that the communication radios were controlled by the RSO, and '''not''' the pilot, which many Blackbird pilots admitted they initially found frustrating, since in any other plane, the pilot talks directly to air-traffic control himself, without a middle-man.
** For a bit of perspective, consider this: a titanium-skinned ''spaceplane'' that shrinks and expands up to three feet (one meter) in flight, has fuel so exotic it was also used as a coolant, read the stars to find out where it was (no GPS) and the engine and oil tanks had to be lined with ''gold'' because of the sheer amount of thermal-conductive cooling needed. Its engines were a mix of a standard turbojet and a ramjet, a mostly passive engine that requires you to be going half the speed of sound for it to even ''work''. It could go from New York to London in just under two hours. Now consider that it was designed in the '60s, with nothing more computationally complex than a '''slide rule'''.
*** It also had one of the most advanced air-conditioners of its day to keep the pilot from cooking in the cockpit and special paint for better cooling.
*** Also, the final one set a new world air-speed record on it's way to the museum...just because it could.
* The F-117 "Stealth Fighter" was actually a light bomber. Looks futuristic. Each one was [[WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture built by hand]] with electronics from other more mundane aircraft (including the C-130). One was shot down over Serbia. When it was retired there was an outcry in the defense press. Why was such an advanced craft headed to storage? It was obsolete, the program that designed the faceted shape was decades old. Its hand built construction made repairs and upgrades difficult because each airplane is an AceCustom.

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** Played straight for the pilot. The front cockpit's instrument panel is populated entirely by round analog dials. No digital readouts, no cathode-ray tubes, no flat-panel LCDs.
[=LCDs=].
*** The '''back'''seat cockpit, on the other hand, is where the [[GuyInBack Reconnaissance Systems Operator's Operator]]'s instruments are, and while the vast majority of that instrument panel's content is STILL classified top-secret, we ''do'' know that the communication radios were controlled by the RSO, and '''not''' the pilot, which many Blackbird pilots admitted they initially found frustrating, since in any other plane, the pilot talks directly to air-traffic control himself, without a middle-man.
** For a bit of perspective, consider this: a titanium-skinned ''spaceplane'' that shrinks and expands up to three feet (one meter) in flight, has fuel so exotic it was also used as a coolant, read the stars to find out where it was (no GPS) and the engine and oil tanks had to be lined with ''gold'' because of the sheer amount of thermal-conductive cooling needed. Its engines were a mix of a standard turbojet and a ramjet, a mostly passive engine that requires you to be going half the speed of sound for it to even ''work''. It could go from New York to London in just under two hours. Now consider that it was designed in the '60s, with nothing more computationally complex than a '''slide rule'''.
*** It also had one of the most advanced air-conditioners of its day to keep the pilot crew from cooking in the cockpit and special paint for better cooling.
*** Also, the final one set a new world air-speed record on it's its way to the museum...museum... just because it could.
* The F-117 "Stealth Fighter" was actually a light bomber. Looks futuristic. Each one was [[WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture built by hand]] with electronics from other more mundane aircraft (including the C-130). One was shot down over Serbia. When it was retired there was an outcry in the defense press. Why was such an advanced craft headed to storage? It was obsolete, obsolete: the program that designed the faceted shape was decades old. Its hand built old, and its hand-built construction made repairs and upgrades difficult because each airplane is an AceCustom.



*** The F-117 was an aerodynamic abomination designed and built at a time when the most powerful supercomputers in the world weren't capable of calculating the radar return signal from curved surfaces. When the F-117 was designed practically all aircraft in the world could be tracked by radar.

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*** The F-117 was an aerodynamic abomination designed and built at a time when the most powerful supercomputers in the world weren't capable of calculating the radar return signal from curved surfaces. When the F-117 was designed designed, practically all aircraft in the world could be tracked by radar.
5th Jul '16 12:22:31 PM StClair
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In rare cases, some design choices ''do'' age well, which can make them appear more modern now than when they were first produced. Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey is an excellent example: in utilizing the minimalistic AsceticAesthetic design fad of the 1960's as the primary design aesthetic, it inadvertently matches today's vision that EverythingIsAnIPodInTheFuture in numerous instances, such as Hal's interfaces being a simple red lens and speaker on a plain surface, rather than a complex panel covered in buttons, switches, and blinking lights, and his core oddly similar to modern plug-in server rack layouts.

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In rare cases, some design choices ''do'' age well, which can make them appear more modern now than when they were first produced. Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey is an excellent example: in utilizing the minimalistic AsceticAesthetic design fad of the 1960's as the primary design aesthetic, it inadvertently matches today's vision that EverythingIsAnIPodInTheFuture in numerous instances, such as Hal's interfaces being a simple red lens and speaker on a plain surface, rather than a complex panel covered in buttons, switches, and blinking lights, and his core is oddly similar to modern plug-in server rack layouts.



Note that this is completely [[InvertedTrope inverted]] by SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology, where extremely advanced technology appears deceptively primitive in the form of stones, crysals, idols, monuments or ancient ruins.

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Note that this is completely [[InvertedTrope inverted]] by SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology, where extremely advanced technology appears deceptively primitive in the form of stones, crysals, crystals, idols, monuments or ancient ruins.
7th Jun '16 3:08:50 PM TheKaizerreich
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*** On valid (and yet [[NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup incredibly silly]]) reason why the A-10 is to be retired is its own complexity. The special polymer that is used to make an A-10's hull cannot be produced anymore, the recipes of which had been stored on old computers (which no longer function) and the US Air Force has stated that nobody among its ranks still knows the recipe or has any notes left. The Warthogs still in service always have to be repaired by canibalising parts from others which were already retired, which will eventually deplete the whole fleet... but it will take a while since the A-10 ''is'' known to be absurdly sturdy.
25th May '16 7:49:23 PM FloydPinkerton
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** One notable bit is that the Republic Venator Class Star Destroyer is notably more advanced looking than it's sucessor, the Imperial Class (The iconic "Flying Triangle") Star Destroyer, with a more effective placement of fighter bays, engines, and bridge, and an overall "Sleeker" appearance. On the other hand, the Imperial is [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture a triangular box with a box on the top]] and 3 engines.

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** One notable bit is that the Republic Venator Class Star Destroyer is notably more advanced looking than it's sucessor, successor, the Imperial Class (The iconic "Flying Triangle") Star Destroyer, with a more effective placement of fighter bays, engines, and bridge, and an overall "Sleeker" appearance. On the other hand, the Imperial is [[OurWeaponsWillBeBoxyInTheFuture a triangular box with a box on the top]] and 3 engines.


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*** Also note that the Venator and Acclamator classes are shown inside a planetary atmosphere, giving them a reason to be more streamlined than the Imperial class, which operates in a vacuum.
20th May '16 9:54:55 PM RurikWolfe
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Design aesthetics also change over time, totally independent of technology. In the 1950s, people thought that flares and tail fins looked futuristic. But we have just reached the [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture impossibly far-off AD 2016]], and very few things have tail fins, aside from actual fish, airplanes, and the Batmobile.[[note]]Even the Batmobile [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga recently got rid of 'em.]][[/note]] Ironically, things like flares and tail fins now [[{{Zeerust}} look decidedly retro]]: recent models of the Ford Thunderbird have fins to keep the ''vintage'' '50s feel.

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Design aesthetics also change over time, totally independent of technology. In the 1950s, people thought that flares and tail fins looked futuristic. But we have just reached the [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture impossibly far-off AD 2016]], and very few things have tail fins, aside from actual fish, airplanes, and the Batmobile.[[note]]Even the Batmobile [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga recently got rid of 'em.]][[/note]] Ironically, things like flares and tail fins now [[{{Zeerust}} look decidedly retro]]: recent models of the Ford Thunderbird have fins to keep the ''vintage'' '50s feel.feel[[note]]...or would, if they had fins. They're shaped more like bars of soap[[/note]].
18th May '16 9:39:08 PM StevieC
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*** The [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Dream_Chaser_pre-drop_tests.6.jpg SNC DreamChaser]] is the odd-man-out in next-gen manned-spacecraft designs, being a derivative of NASA's cancelled [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HL-20_Personnel_Launch_System HL-20 Personnel Launch System]], which was a proposed "space-taxi" designed to launch vertically and land on a runway like the Space Shuttle, and carry up to 7 astronauts like the Shuttle, but without expending fuel for all that extra cargo-haul capability.

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*** The [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Dream_Chaser_pre-drop_tests.6.jpg SNC DreamChaser]] is the odd-man-out in [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers odd man out]] among next-gen manned-spacecraft designs, being a derivative of NASA's cancelled [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HL-20_Personnel_Launch_System HL-20 Personnel Launch System]], which was a proposed "space-taxi" designed to launch vertically and land on a runway like the Space Shuttle, and carry up to 7 astronauts like the Shuttle, but without expending fuel for all that extra cargo-haul capability.
18th May '16 9:36:45 PM StevieC
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*** The [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Dream_Chaser_pre-drop_tests.6.jpg SNC DreamChaser]] is the odd-man-out in next-gen manned-spacecraft designs, being a derivative of NASA's cancelled [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HL-20_Personnel_Launch_System HL-20 Personnel Launch System]], which was a proposed "space-taxi" designed to launch vertically and land on a runway like the Space Shuttle, and carry up to 7 astronauts like the Shuttle, but without expending fuel for all that extra cargo-haul capability.
15th May '16 12:43:22 PM Kirayoshi
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** This appears in other Film/MarvelCinematicUniverse films as well. In ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', when Tony Stark talks privately with [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter Parker]], he kids him on his makeshift homemade-looking Spider-Man suit (calling it a "onesie") and the fact that the only computer Peter can afford is an old Apple [=MacIntosh=] he salvaged from the trash. On the other hand he expressed admiration that Peter was able to synthesise spider silk. When Tony convinces Peter to join him in Germany against ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and his fugitive Avengers, he upgrades Spider-Man's suit, making it more high-tech and also more closely resembling the webspinner we all know and love.
23rd Apr '16 7:37:19 PM SkyHavenPath13
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** Averted with weapons. For example, plasma weapons: in the Imperial they're rare but not uncommon (which is relative - thousands of plasma guns are made each year, while ''billions'' of lasguns are made), and hand held. Tau have hand held plasma weapons in the form of the Pulse Rifle. But are nowhere near as powerful, the closest can only be mounted on MiniMechs or tanks and are still less powerful (but don't overheat).

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** Averted with weapons. For example, plasma weapons: in the Imperial they're rare but not uncommon (which is relative - thousands of plasma guns are made each year, while ''billions'' of lasguns are made), and hand held. Tau have hand held plasma weapons in the form of the Pulse Rifle. But are nowhere near as powerful, the closest can only be mounted on MiniMechs {{Mini Mecha}}s or tanks and are still less powerful (but don't overheat).
7th Apr '16 5:45:21 PM WillKeaton
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Design aesthetics also change over time, totally independent of technology. In the 1950s, people thought that flares and tail fins looked futuristic. But we have just reached the [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture impossibly far-off AD 2016]], and very few things have tail fins, aside from actual fish, airplanes, and the Batmobile [[note]]and even the Batmobile [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga recently got rid of 'em]][[/note]]. Ironically, things like flares and tail fins now [[{{Zeerust}} look decidedly retro]]: recent models of the Ford Thunderbird have fins to keep the ''vintage'' '50s feel.

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Design aesthetics also change over time, totally independent of technology. In the 1950s, people thought that flares and tail fins looked futuristic. But we have just reached the [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture impossibly far-off AD 2016]], and very few things have tail fins, aside from actual fish, airplanes, and the Batmobile [[note]]and even Batmobile.[[note]]Even the Batmobile [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga recently got rid of 'em]][[/note]]. 'em.]][[/note]] Ironically, things like flares and tail fins now [[{{Zeerust}} look decidedly retro]]: recent models of the Ford Thunderbird have fins to keep the ''vintage'' '50s feel.
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