History Main / TerroristsWithoutACause

17th May '16 12:38:22 PM Luigifan
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Caused by the same motives as WesternTerrorists, but more so. Apparently, terrorists are willing to kill, maim, torture - not to mention putting their own lives at risk - just ForTheEvulz. These can actually be very dangerous opponents, being ruthless, impossible to predict, and impossible to negotiate with, and generally occupying the place [[OlderThanTheyThink once held by demons throughout world mythology]].

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Caused by the same motives as WesternTerrorists, but more so. Apparently, terrorists are willing to kill, maim, torture - -- not to mention putting their own lives at risk - -- just ForTheEvulz. These can actually be very dangerous opponents, being ruthless, impossible to predict, and impossible to negotiate with, and generally occupying the place [[OlderThanTheyThink once held by demons throughout world mythology]].



* ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' engages in some PlayingWithATrope in the Teddy Bomber episode. TB ''has'' a reason that's very important to him for bombing tall buildings, and he keeps trying to explain it, but every last time he tries he's [[TheUnReveal interrupted]].
* ''Why'' does Millennium want to fight Alucard and destroy England in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''? Revenge for being defeated by the Allies during WorldWarII? Nope. Do they want to TakeOverTheWorld and have it ruled by vampires? Nuh-uh. Why then? The Major not only admits that "[Millennium's] purpose is the ''total absence'' of purpose," he openly states to his mooks his main drive for doing what he does: "Gentlemen, [[BloodKnight I like war]]."

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* ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' engages in some PlayingWithATrope in the Teddy Bomber episode. TB ''has'' a reason that's very important to him for bombing tall buildings, and he keeps trying to explain it, but every last time he tries tries, he's [[TheUnReveal interrupted]].
* ''Why'' does Millennium want to fight Alucard and destroy England in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''? Revenge for being defeated by the Allies during WorldWarII? Nope. Do they want to TakeOverTheWorld and have it ruled by vampires? Nuh-uh. Why Why, then? The Major not only admits that "[Millennium's] purpose is the ''total absence'' of purpose," he openly states to his mooks his main drive for doing what he does: "Gentlemen, [[BloodKnight I like war]]."
9th Apr '16 11:27:07 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The Ten Rings terrorist organization in the ''Film/IronMan'' films have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that they're an ancient international organization ruled by the mysterious Mandarin, not that his own motivations are particularly clear]]. That said, the Afghan cell that kidnapped Tony Stark in the [[Film/IronMan1 first film]] [[spoiler:was actually hired by Obadiah Stane to kill him as part of an exchange for money and weapons; they decided instead to keep him alive and make him build weapons for them because Stane wasn't paying them enough]].

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* The Ten Rings terrorist organization in the ''Film/IronMan'' films have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that they're an ancient international organization ruled by the mysterious Mandarin, not that his own motivations are particularly clear]]. That said, the Afghan cell that kidnapped Tony Stark in the [[Film/IronMan1 first film]] [[spoiler:was actually hired by Obadiah Stane to kill him as part of an exchange for money and weapons; they decided instead to keep him Tony alive and make him build weapons for them because Stane wasn't paying them enough]].
9th Apr '16 11:25:45 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The terrorist organization "Ten Rings" in ''Film/IronMan1'' have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that they're an ancient international organization ruled by the mysterious Mandarin, not that his own motivations are particularly clear]]. That said, the Afghan cell that kidnapped Tony Stark [[spoiler:was actually hired by Obadiah Stane to kill him in exchange for money and weapons; they decided instead to keep him alive and make him build weapons for them because Stane wasn't paying them enough]].

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* The Ten Rings terrorist organization "Ten Rings" in ''Film/IronMan1'' the ''Film/IronMan'' films have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that they're an ancient international organization ruled by the mysterious Mandarin, not that his own motivations are particularly clear]]. That said, the Afghan cell that kidnapped Tony Stark in the [[Film/IronMan1 first film]] [[spoiler:was actually hired by Obadiah Stane to kill him in as part of an exchange for money and weapons; they decided instead to keep him alive and make him build weapons for them because Stane wasn't paying them enough]].
9th Apr '16 11:23:43 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The (possibly) Afghan terrorist organization "Ten Rings" in ''Film/IronMan1'' (they operate out of Afghanistan but speak a wide variety of languages) have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. The novelization and script note that the sequel is supposed to reveal that they're [[spoiler:in the employ of [[YellowPeril the Mandarin]], Iron Man's magic ring-wielding arch enemy, not that his TakeOverTheWorld motivations are much more complex]].[[note]] Of course, it is revealed that [[spoiler:they were hired by Obidiah Stane to kidnap and kill Tony Stark, so their motivation for that may have been money]].

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* The (possibly) Afghan terrorist organization "Ten Rings" in ''Film/IronMan1'' (they operate out of Afghanistan but speak a wide variety of languages) have no discernible cause beyond conquest and power. The novelization and script note that the sequel is supposed to reveal [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that they're [[spoiler:in an ancient international organization ruled by the employ of [[YellowPeril the Mandarin]], Iron Man's magic ring-wielding arch enemy, mysterious Mandarin, not that his TakeOverTheWorld own motivations are much more complex]].[[note]] Of course, it is revealed particularly clear]]. That said, the Afghan cell that [[spoiler:they were kidnapped Tony Stark [[spoiler:was actually hired by Obidiah Obadiah Stane to kidnap and kill Tony Stark, so their motivation him in exchange for that may have been money]].money and weapons; they decided instead to keep him alive and make him build weapons for them because Stane wasn't paying them enough]].
6th Apr '16 10:47:36 AM hamza678
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* Joseph Konopka, known as Dr. Ch@os, hired a bunch of teenagers to commit crimes like causing failures at power plants, committing arson, disrupting broadcasts, disabling a air traffic control system, and hiding cyanide in the Chicago transit system. When asked why he did those acts, he admitted, "I don't have a real good reason".
5th Apr '16 9:33:20 PM HeroGal2347
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* The United People's Resistance from ''Series/TheATeam'' episode ''The Beast from the Belly of a Boeing''. They consisted of Americans, hijacking an airliner with the aim to extort money.

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* The United People's Resistance from ''Series/TheATeam'' episode ''The ''[[Recap/TheATeamS1E13TheBeastFromTheBellyOfABoeing The Beast from the Belly of a Boeing''.Boeing]]''. They consisted of Americans, hijacking an airliner with the aim to extort money.
25th Feb '16 9:44:58 AM Tyk5919
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* The group of mercenaries from ''Film/HighRisk'' only care about money and causing destruction. The Doctor in particular has a [[MadBomber fascination with bombs]], and is not above killing innocents to satisfy his own sadism.
18th Feb '16 10:44:10 AM Morgenthaler
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** Something like that [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan actually]] [[Creator/JodieFoster happened]], you know.



** Of course, drug lords/cartels having planes blown up isn't entirely unheard of. See Pablo Escobar.
18th Feb '16 10:43:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* A dash of FridgeLogic can pin this on Captain Feathersword the friendly pirate on ''TheWiggles''. Pirates aren't nice people - they're thieves. Captain Feathersword isn't just a sailor, he's a ''pirate''. So what's his deal? [[MST3KMantra Best not to dwell on it too long.]]
** Sir Francis Drake was a hero (with a knighthood) in England, but a "pirate" (with a bounty on his head equivalent to about $4 million today) in Spain. Perhaps Feathersword is in the same ... er, boat.



* [[UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold]] arguably qualify as this. They intended to use terrorist tactics (blowing up their school cafeteria and then shooting the survivors) in a suicidal attack that would "out-do" the Oklahoma City Bombing, solely to make themselves infamous. However, [[WheresTheKaboom the failure of their bombs]], coupled with the initial media coverage that tried to fit them into existing models of bullied, disgruntled students, has resulted in the incident being mostly remembered as just a particularly bloody school shooting.
18th Feb '16 10:39:53 AM Morgenthaler
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** He does finally get to reveal it at the end of the episode, and despite being a MadBomber, actually comes off as somewhat sympathetic. The whole episode works better when you know he's very obviously inspired (in looks, MO, and philosophy) by Ted "Teddy Bear" Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who actually had very well thought-out reasons for his actions. TB in Cowboy Bebop may have had a similar cause but he was never able to explain it past a fleeting generality.
* ''Why'' does Millennium want to fight Alucard and destroy England in ''{{Hellsing}}''? Revenge for being defeated by the Allies during WorldWarII? Nope. Do they want to TakeOverTheWorld and have it ruled by vampires? Nuh-uh. Why then? The Major not only admits that "[Millennium's] purpose is the ''total absence'' of purpose," he openly states to his mooks his main drive for doing what he does: "Gentlemen, [[BloodKnight I like war]]."
** Should be noted that some fascist philosophers actually made that as a serious case. (WarIsGlorious being the essence of fascism) They also quite deliberately avoided making programs or statements that could be taken as such, seeing it as a sign of decadence and that action itself was the mark of the true fascist... Incidentally, this is one of the main reason why the word is so hard to define: They did it on purpose.

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** He does finally get to reveal it at the end of the episode, and despite being a MadBomber, actually comes off as somewhat sympathetic. The whole episode works better when you know he's very obviously inspired (in looks, MO, and philosophy) by Ted "Teddy Bear" Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who actually had very well thought-out reasons for his actions. TB in Cowboy Bebop may have had a similar cause but he was never able to explain it past a fleeting generality.
* ''Why'' does Millennium want to fight Alucard and destroy England in ''{{Hellsing}}''? ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''? Revenge for being defeated by the Allies during WorldWarII? Nope. Do they want to TakeOverTheWorld and have it ruled by vampires? Nuh-uh. Why then? The Major not only admits that "[Millennium's] purpose is the ''total absence'' of purpose," he openly states to his mooks his main drive for doing what he does: "Gentlemen, [[BloodKnight I like war]]."
** Should be noted that some fascist philosophers actually made that as a serious case. (WarIsGlorious being the essence of fascism) They also quite deliberately avoided making programs or statements that could be taken as such, seeing it as a sign of decadence and that action itself was the mark of the true fascist... Incidentally, this is one of the main reason why the word is so hard to define: They did it on purpose.
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** This is [[RealityIsUnrealistic more accurate than you'd think.]] Several terrorist groups as far apart as the IRA, Japanese Red Army, and Hamas actually have scarily good working relationships in spite of their ideological and practical differences. A conspiracy like the one the book details is several orders of magnitude beyond anything known to have been attempted in real life, but is just a vastly overblown example of some of the joint initiatives some terrorist groups have done.



** Many terrorists commit robberies, mostly for financial ends (terrorism is not cheap), but often for ideological ones (the [[KnightTemplar Phineas]] [[ChurchMilitant Priesthood]], when not killing the associates of Midianites, robbed banks because they felt they were counterfeiting).



* The BigBad former IRA nut in ''Blown Away'' is accused to his face of not caring for the cause but merely being fascinated by bombs.
** Well, his last bomb is basically a huge RubeGoldberg device, so the accusation isn't exactly without grounds...
** In fairness, it's likely that a fair number of people who joined the IRA during TheTroubles were in it for the violence, the power, or money. It's worth noting that these days, most of the old IRA element has exchanged terrorism for [[TheIrishMob mere organised crime]].

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* The BigBad former IRA nut in ''Blown Away'' ''Film/BlownAway'' is accused to his face of not caring for the cause but merely being fascinated by bombs.
** Well, his last bomb is basically a huge RubeGoldberg device, so the accusation isn't exactly without grounds...
** In fairness, it's likely that a fair number of people who joined the IRA during TheTroubles were in it for the violence, the power, or money. It's worth noting that these days, most of the old IRA element has exchanged terrorism for [[TheIrishMob mere organised crime]].
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** If they used to blow things up in the cause of Northern Irish independance, and they now blow things up for money, they're not really "without a cause", more "looking for an excuse".



** Indeed they, like Rippner, may simply be hired mercenaries. Someone else apparently wants to send "a big brash message."



** This is explained in the book. Their real objective was to discredit the leadership of the IRA, so they could take it over and run it the way they thought it should be run. They kept doing things to make the IRA look bad, since as far as the general public was concerned, all Irish terrorists were IRA.
** Although attempting to kidnap a member of the Royal Family seems a lot bolder and more productive than simply blowing up pubs or shooting random squaddies.
*** Kidnapping a figurehead monarchy may be bold, but it wouldn't be productive. For all her ceremonial worth, the Queen is, politically, an ultimately expendable quantity. As long as somebody sits in the throne- and there are ''plenty'' of candidates- Britain trundles on.
*** In the book after the IRA in RealLife murdered Lord Louis Mountbatten, the resulting backlash was so great that the IRA decided to put the royal family off limits. The public outcry against harming a member of the royal family would not help the IRA.
** Creator/BillBailey noted this, referring to them as "not the Real IRA, not the Continuity IRA, but only-two-of-them-and-neither-of-them-knows-who-the-other-one-is-IRA".



** There's a subtext, as with some versions of the comic book Joker, that the Joker has an actual belief system that he seeks to instill in others with his terrorist actions. It's nihilistic and deranged, but what do you expect from the poster boy for ChaoticEvil?



* The BigBad of ''Film/FaceOff'', Castor Troy, is a "freelance terrorist".
** He explicitly refers to his profession as "terrorism-for-hire", which suggests that he's a mercenary hired by organizations which actually do have causes. That said, ''he'' quite clearly doesn't have an actual cause besides ForTheEvulz. Money isn't his main objective.

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* The BigBad of ''Film/FaceOff'', Castor Troy, is a "freelance terrorist".
** He
explicitly refers to his profession as "terrorism-for-hire", which suggests that he's a mercenary hired by organizations which actually do have causes. That said, ''he'' quite clearly doesn't have an actual cause besides ForTheEvulz. Money isn't his main objective.



* ''Film/TwelveMonkeys'': [[spoiler:It's eventually discovered that the ''Twelve Monkeys'' were only an Animal Rights Group that wanted to release the animals from the zoo. But who was that red-haired guy with a ponytail? And why did he want to KillAllHumans?]]
** [[spoiler:Doctor Red Hair does in fact talk about his motivation early in the movie, but the character he's talking to isn't really listening, and the audience haven't been given any real reason to pay close attention to him either - he's just another weird guy in a movie full of them. He's basically a radical environmentalist who believes that humans are destroying the planet through pollution, consumption and overpopulation. In truth, a lot of people [[HumansAreBastards claim similar beliefs]], but he was actually willing to act on them.]]



** They are presented as having goals, but they are not emphasized very much. The film seems to skirt the issue, as though the filmmakers have some sympathy with the group's goals but don't want to be seen as endorsing terrorism.



* The terrorist in ''Film/DejaVu'' never really talks about his reasons. He's obviously unbalanced, and his only apparent gripe against society is that he wasn't allowed in the army.
** Actually he seems to be a RightWingMilitiaFanatic ([[WellIntentionedExtremist of the type that thinks blowing up a couple of hundred people now is a perfect way to expose weaknesses in American security and prevent more deaths in the future]]). He was not allowed in the army because his psych testing came back as "too damn crazy".



* ''Misiion: Impossible''

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* ''Misiion: ''Mision: Impossible''



** This is used oddly later, where the team foil a terrorist plot, but the terrorist cell is left shrouded in mystery, with their motivation never revealed. This is strange given that the whole premise of the show centres around trying to work out why criminals do what they do.
*** It's indicated that they were trying to kill someone high ranking in the U.S. government who had a Secret Service protection. The team muses that they simply don't have the clearance to know who that person was.



* Subverted in the MTV series ''Super Adventure Team''; a group of Middle-Eastern terrorists kidnap some Americans, and Team America wants to know their demands. The terrorists were taken aback; they didn't know that they could ''make'' demands. After a few moments huddling together, the lead terrorists give their demand: "We want to see ''{{Kiss}}''!

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* Subverted in the MTV series ''Super Adventure Team''; a group of Middle-Eastern terrorists kidnap some Americans, and Team America wants to know their demands. The terrorists were taken aback; they didn't know that they could ''make'' demands. After a few moments huddling together, the lead terrorists give their demand: "We want to see ''{{Kiss}}''!Music/{{Kiss}}!



** Well, it's true that major conflicts have a large number of good side effects. It's just that the bad main effects usually far outweigh them.



** They had two, but they wanted a few dozen. Hence the plan.



** Um, there was this ''war'' going on in the 1940s ...
** But..."Destruction, Inc."? ''Those'' guys never corporatized.



** They may have been using the word "terrorist" loosely here, as her plot centers around holding Gotham for ransom using a deadly virus.



* ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' gives us Cobra, whose motivations and ideology (beyond just [[ForTheEvulz being bad]]) are vague and open to many interpretations.
** Cobra are terrorists ''with'' a cause: ''money''
** A better example of this trope would be the saboteur Firefly: more mercenary than terrorist, though for some reason he seems to hang out more with terrorists than governments (who could probably pay more). This may be because he finds tearing down social order more fun than shoring it up. In the ''Reloaded'' continuity, especially, he seems to be [[StuffBlowingUp all about the explosions]].
** Terrorism has been defined at least once as "ideologically driven organized crime". That would make "terrorists" whose cause is money, plain ol' criminals...
** As the stakes (and weirdness) escalated in the cartoon series, Cobra Commander was revealed to be part of a secret race of survivors from the Age of Reptiles. His mission was to bring humans under reptile control, and the Cobra organization was his convoluted means for achieving this end.
*** Interestingly, WordOfGod has talked about a Nietzsche figure for the Cobra organization, a spiritual leader figure who made the original doctrine for the Cobra organization, based on an amoral (if honorable) system of RightMakesMight, that Cobra Commander perverted Hitler-style. ExecutiveMeddling prevented the character from ever appearing in-show.
**** The comics show that Cobra Commander seems to think he's making the world a better place as it shows Cobra is a faction that accepts anyone who was disenfranchised or "wrongfully" exiled by their native country which stemmed from the disillusioned fact that the world is owned by Illuminati type groups which he deemed as snakes and wanted to be the head snake . Mainly because of the aftereffects of the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and how UsefulNotes/TheAmericanDream was dead in his eyes when his brother was put the chopping block when [[StartOfDarkness after one of the]] [[ShellShockedVeteran of the soldiers]] torched the halfway house for veterans where his brother was living and it goes downhill from here.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' gives us ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'':
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Cobra, whose motivations and ideology (beyond just [[ForTheEvulz being bad]]) are vague and open to many interpretations.
** Cobra are terrorists ''with'' a cause: ''money''
** A better example of this trope would be the
The saboteur Firefly: more mercenary than terrorist, though for some reason he seems to hang out more with terrorists than governments (who could probably pay more). This may be because he finds tearing down social order more fun than shoring it up. In the ''Reloaded'' continuity, especially, he seems to be [[StuffBlowingUp all about the explosions]].
** Terrorism has been defined at least once as "ideologically driven organized crime". That would make "terrorists" whose cause is money, plain ol' criminals...
** As the stakes (and weirdness) escalated in the cartoon series, Cobra Commander was revealed to be part of a secret race of survivors from the Age of Reptiles. His mission was to bring humans under reptile control, and the Cobra organization was his convoluted means for achieving this end.
*** Interestingly, WordOfGod has talked about a Nietzsche figure for the Cobra organization, a spiritual leader figure who made the original doctrine for the Cobra organization, based on an amoral (if honorable) system of RightMakesMight, that Cobra Commander perverted Hitler-style. ExecutiveMeddling prevented the character from ever appearing in-show.
**** The comics show that Cobra Commander seems to think he's making the world a better place as it shows Cobra is a faction that accepts anyone who was disenfranchised or "wrongfully" exiled by their native country which stemmed from the disillusioned fact that the world is owned by Illuminati type groups which he deemed as snakes and wanted to be the head snake . Mainly because of the aftereffects of the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and how UsefulNotes/TheAmericanDream was dead in his eyes when his brother was put the chopping block when [[StartOfDarkness after one of the]] [[ShellShockedVeteran of the soldiers]] torched the halfway house for veterans where his brother was living and it goes downhill from here.
explosions]].



** WordOfGod has it that their cause would (will?) be revealed... someday...



** Specifically, the manifesto is as follows: "there is a conflict coming between the new world order... and the ''newest''. The winner will be the side which possesses the most advanced technology." This seems true as far as it goes, but why Silas pursues this goal through massive acts of violence rather than, say, buying out Google is never explored or mused upon.
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