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20th Oct '17 7:43:34 PM DVB
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** The most explicit Technician vs Performer argument in the series though would be [[MilesGloriosus The Great and Powerful Trixie]] (performer) vs [[BadassBookworm Twilight Sparkle]] (technician). Twilight has the natural talent and ability of the Performer, but with a slant of constantly learning new spells and being trained by [[PhysicalGod Celestia]]. Trixie has a natural affinity to magic as well, and is about as Performer as they come when it comes to desire and charisma, but while she has a more limited bag of tricks than Twilight, she seems to have them more adapt and flexible with her spell craft, getting through her complex spells about as fast as Twilight can go through a TK cantrip. While Twilight is a main character, and Trixie is a {{Jerkass}} FakeUltimateHero in her one episode, the two have an interesting dynamic in fanon when all other things are equal. Their dynamics are ''inverted'' in the episode ''Magic Duel'', where Trixie gets a powerful artifact and Twilight is forced to play the role of Performer to outwit her.

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** The most explicit Technician vs Performer argument in the series though would be [[MilesGloriosus The Great and Powerful Trixie]] (performer) vs [[BadassBookworm Twilight Sparkle]] (technician). Twilight has the natural talent and ability of the Performer, but with a slant of constantly learning new spells and being trained by [[PhysicalGod Celestia]]. Trixie has a natural affinity to magic as well, and is about as Performer as they come when it comes to desire and charisma, but while she has a more limited bag of tricks than Twilight, she seems to have them more adapt and flexible with her spell craft, getting through her complex spells about as fast as Twilight can go through a TK cantrip. While Twilight is a main character, and Trixie is a {{Jerkass}} FakeUltimateHero in her one debut episode, the two have an interesting dynamic in fanon when all other things are equal. Their dynamics are ''inverted'' in the episode ''Magic Duel'', where Trixie gets a powerful artifact that augments her magic (while corrupting her) and Twilight is forced to play the role of Performer to outwit her.her.
** Another would be Twilight as technician and Starlight as performer. Starlight relies alot on her emotions to drive her magic and she has unique ideas, as shown during her original villainous presentations. However, she is pretty lacking in magical theory or the consequences of her actions, but she gets better over time. Furthermore, she's actually better on magical theory and knowledge than Trixie is and has been teaching Trixie to better use her magic.



** This is inverted come the series finale however. Zuko discovers the true secret behind Firebending is energy and light instead the anger and hatred he was using prior and becomes a much more efficient bender as a result. Azula suffers a VillainousBreakdown as a result of her only two friends betraying her and her father pretty much abandoning her, and quickly goes insane. Zuko manages to take advantage of this and very nearly beats Azula had she not tried a sneak attack against Katara, who was spectating at the time.

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** This is inverted come the series finale however. When Zuko discovers the true secret behind temporarily loses his firebending, he and Aang go to rediscover a forgotten style powered by passion and liveliness (taught by a lost tribe of Firebenders) and it's flat-out stated that this is how Firebending actually is energy and light instead compared to the anger and hatred he was using prior and becomes driven style it is now, thus allowing Zuko to become a much more efficient bender as a result.better bender. Azula suffers a VillainousBreakdown as a result of her only two friends betraying her and her father pretty much abandoning her, and quickly goes insane. Zuko manages to take advantage of this and very nearly beats Azula had she not tried a sneak attack against Katara, who was spectating at the time.
20th Oct '17 7:30:49 PM DVB
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* The [[LongRunner many many episodes of]] ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' did this a few times, once with two rival restaurants, one where the chef was a Mr. Mime and the other where the chef was a Sneasel. The Mr. Mime cook put a lot of flash into his cooking, turning even the cooking itself into a performance of sorts with his psychic abilities, and the presentation of the meal could not have been nicer...[[LethalChef but the food itself was virtually inedible, as the flavor was nightmarish]]. The Sneasel, by comparison, was an unimpressive minimalist, cooking in the backroom and bringing out extremely ordinary-looking, even ugly-looking dishes...[[SupremeChef that turned out to be mouthgasmically delicious]]. After a CookingDuel, the two rival restaurants teamed up, with Mr. Mime teaching Sneasel about presentation and Sneasel teaching Mr. Mime about how to make food your patrons can actually eat.
** This also happens a lot with Ash in Pokemon battles. Ash is a Performer whose Pokemon are ultimate because of the PowerOfLove, and often gets paired up with Technician opponents who go for type advantages and such and aren't as inspiring to their Pokemon.

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* The [[LongRunner many many episodes of]] ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' did this a few times, once with two rival restaurants, owned by sisters, one where the chef was a Mr. Mime and the other where the chef was a Sneasel. The Mr. Mime cook put a lot of flash into his cooking, turning even the cooking itself into a performance of sorts with his psychic abilities, and the presentation of the meal could not have been nicer...[[LethalChef but the food itself was virtually inedible, as the flavor was nightmarish]]. The Sneasel, by comparison, was an unimpressive minimalist, cooking in the backroom and bringing out extremely ordinary-looking, even ugly-looking dishes...[[SupremeChef that turned out to be mouthgasmically delicious]]. After a CookingDuel, the two rival restaurants teamed up, with While Ash and his friends helped out Mr. Mime by teaching which flavors work best and to take it a bit slower, ''Team Rocket'' helps out the Sneasel about presentation in being a bit more flashy with presentation. After a CookingDuel and Sneasel teaching Mr. Mime about how to make food your patrons can actually eat.
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** This also happens a lot with Ash in Pokemon battles. Ash is a Performer whose Pokemon are ultimate strong because of the PowerOfLove, and often gets paired up with Technician opponents who go for type advantages and such and aren't as inspiring to their Pokemon.
20th Oct '17 5:26:04 PM OldSchoolGamer1203
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** The more calm and calculated Wrestling/JerryLynn vs. the more intense and uncanny Wrestling/RobVanDam.
15th Oct '17 5:19:51 AM moloch
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** In the stories involving the Witch Trials, Granny Weatherwax is the Technician and she always wins but Nanny Ogg is the Performer, and people buy her drinks and say "It was a good try". Both of them are happy with this.
** In general, Nanny is suggested to have more raw power / potential than Granny Weatherwax, but the latter is the most respected and feared witch alive by dint of sheer discipline. Nanny, however, has the ability to get along with anyone she meets instantly, which is one trick Granny has never picked up.
** Played with in ''Discworld/{{Maskerade}}'', where Bucket, Salzetta ''et al.'' argue that though Agnes is the technically superior singer who puts in all the work, Christine has superior stage presence and "star power" (read: she's thin and conventionally attractive). In truth, Agnes is both performer (she is naturally talented) and technician (she works to improve), while Christine cannot sing for peanuts.

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** In the stories involving the Witch Trials, Granny Weatherwax is the Technician and she always wins but Nanny Ogg is the Performer, and people buy her drinks and say "It was a good try". Both of them are happy with this.
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this. In general, "The Sea And Little Fishes", in response to someone commenting on Granny's "natural talent", Nanny is suggested to have notes she has much more raw power / potential "natural talent" than Granny Weatherwax, but the latter is the most respected and feared witch alive by dint of sheer discipline.years of sheer, bloody-minded application of the little talent she does have. Nanny, however, has the ability to get along with anyone she meets instantly, which is one trick Granny has never picked up.
** Played with in ''Discworld/{{Maskerade}}'', where Bucket, Salzetta Salzella ''et al.'' argue that though Agnes is the technically superior singer who puts in all the work, Christine has superior stage presence and "star power" (read: she's thin thin, blonde and conventionally attractive). In truth, Agnes is both performer (she is naturally talented) and technician (she works to improve), while Christine cannot sing for peanuts.



* The rivalry between Bob Belcher and Jimmy Pesto in ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'', with Bob as the performer and Jimmy as the technician. Bob may not be a good restauranteur, with his restaurant always on the verge of closing, but he is an amazing burger cook and frequently gets praise from professional chefs. Jimmy, on the other hand, is a great businessman who runs his pizzeria like a well-oiled machine, but he's a terrible chef as eating his own burger once drove him to tears by how bad it was.

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* The rivalry between Bob Belcher and Jimmy Pesto in ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'', with Bob as the performer and Jimmy as the technician. Bob may not be a good restauranteur, with his restaurant always on the verge of closing, but he is an amazing burger cook and frequently gets praise from professional chefs. Jimmy, on the other hand, is a great businessman who runs his pizzeria like a well-oiled machine, but he's a terrible chef as eating his own burger once drove him to tears by how bad it was. Episodes that [[ADayIntheLimelight focus on Gene]] often feature this too, because Gene is ''way'' over on the performer end of the scale, and often struggles with the discipline and attention span required to become a better musician.
13th Oct '17 4:36:00 PM SpiritofPublicAccess
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* Creator/PlatinumGames, a performer-leaning game studio, ended up taking a more technician approach when it came to the development of ''VideoGame/NierAutomata.''
8th Oct '17 3:15:04 PM nombretomado
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* The whole point of {{Smash}}. Ivy is the technician (generally, she is more able to "sex-up" the role of Marilyn Monroe than Karen and is a very good actor in her own right) having previous Broadway experience, and knowing how to the play the game to get the role. Karen, on the other hand, has no previous theater experience, and shows up to her audition not dressed as Marilyn or singing one of her songs, yet her audition for the role of Marilyn impresses the producers and directors so much they decide to put her in the chorus, and make her the understudy for Marilyn. [[spoiler: Ivy gets the role of Marilyn, then loses it to a famous movie actress (Rebecca), cast in an effort to attract more publicity. Then as Rebecca gets an allergic reaction, Karen gets the role, as she has "something" that Ivy does not.]]

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* The whole point of {{Smash}}.''Series/{{Smash}}''. Ivy is the technician (generally, she is more able to "sex-up" the role of Marilyn Monroe than Karen and is a very good actor in her own right) having previous Broadway experience, and knowing how to the play the game to get the role. Karen, on the other hand, has no previous theater experience, and shows up to her audition not dressed as Marilyn or singing one of her songs, yet her audition for the role of Marilyn impresses the producers and directors so much they decide to put her in the chorus, and make her the understudy for Marilyn. [[spoiler: Ivy gets the role of Marilyn, then loses it to a famous movie actress (Rebecca), cast in an effort to attract more publicity. Then as Rebecca gets an allergic reaction, Karen gets the role, as she has "something" that Ivy does not.]]
8th Oct '17 2:07:37 PM nombretomado
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* ''RuPaulsDragRace'' used to appear that Ru preferred technicians to performers come the final elimination, that is until season 4 onward, when Ru will start asking for the Drag Race audience to give their online feedback on the queens, who usually show preference to the performer. Season 4's Chad Michaels (Technician, gives flawless presentations and performances), and Sharon Needles (Performer, spooky but lovable with a big heart and lots of creativity) are perfect examples of this dynamic in action.

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* ''RuPaulsDragRace'' ''Series/RuPaulsDragRace'' used to appear that Ru preferred technicians to performers come the final elimination, that is until season 4 onward, when Ru will start asking for the Drag Race audience to give their online feedback on the queens, who usually show preference to the performer. Season 4's Chad Michaels (Technician, gives flawless presentations and performances), and Sharon Needles (Performer, spooky but lovable with a big heart and lots of creativity) are perfect examples of this dynamic in action.
6th Oct '17 7:32:46 PM WillKeaton
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* Used in a subplot in VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou. The Ramen Don's ordinary but very tasty and masterfully made Ramen is being ignored in favor of the mediocre, yet flashy and crowd pleasing Shadow Ramen, and Neku and Joshua work to reverse this by getting the celebrity supporter to try the "plain" Ramen and therefore support Ramen Don. Although in this case, Ramen Don is a guy who loves his Ramen, where as Shadow Ramen just views it in terms of cold hard cash, and this subplot is about integrity and doing whats right, not what looks good. It's also played straight with the characters of Shooter and Yammer. Yammer himself says he's more technical, but Shooter has more heart so he wins all the matches.

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* Used in a subplot in VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou.''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou''. The Ramen Don's ordinary but very tasty and masterfully made Ramen is being ignored in favor of the mediocre, yet flashy and crowd pleasing Shadow Ramen, and Neku and Joshua work to reverse this by getting the celebrity supporter to try the "plain" Ramen and therefore support Ramen Don. Although in this case, Ramen Don is a guy who loves his Ramen, where as Shadow Ramen just views it in terms of cold hard cash, and this subplot is about integrity and doing whats right, not what looks good. It's also played straight with the characters of Shooter and Yammer. Yammer himself says he's more technical, but Shooter has more heart so he wins all the matches.



* Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog: Sonic (Performer) and Knuckles (Technician). Sonic has greater agility and speed and always tries to be as much of a show off possible when he engages his foes, fitting his laid-back and smarmy attitude. Knuckles is focused on his strength and power and is a skilled martial artist with various techniques at his disposal, being a descendant of a warrior race. Who's the better fighter is something of a debate between the two themselves, but they're generally considered equals.

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* Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog: ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': Sonic (Performer) and Knuckles (Technician). Sonic has greater agility and speed and always tries to be as much of a show off possible when he engages his foes, fitting his laid-back and smarmy attitude. Knuckles is focused on his strength and power and is a skilled martial artist with various techniques at his disposal, being a descendant of a warrior race. Who's the better fighter is something of a debate between the two themselves, but they're generally considered equals.
6th Oct '17 7:31:42 PM WillKeaton
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** And finally when it comes to the cards themselves, we have the dichotomy between Vorthos (Performer) and Melvin (Technician). Vorthos is all about the "flavor", the story the cards are telling. Some Vorthos are far more interested in the artwork on the cards then they are in the game itself! Melvins, by contrast, are all about the rules and mechanics of the game. They might not even be aware of the story the cards are telling at all, and the artwork serves as little more than a visual reminder of which card is which. The difference can be best summed up with the go-to example cards for Vorthos and Melvin, [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=form+of+the+dragon Form of the Dragon]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=126156 Mystic Speculation]];

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** And finally when it comes to the cards themselves, we have the dichotomy between Vorthos (Performer) and Melvin (Technician). Vorthos is all about the "flavor", the story the cards are telling. Some Vorthos are far more interested in the artwork on the cards then they are in the game itself! Melvins, by contrast, are all about the rules and mechanics of the game. They might not even be aware of the story the cards are telling at all, and the artwork serves as little more than a visual reminder of which card is which. The difference can be best summed up with the go-to example cards for Vorthos and Melvin, [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=form+of+the+dragon Form of the Dragon]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=126156 Mystic Speculation]];Speculation.]]
6th Oct '17 7:30:17 PM WillKeaton
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** Teammate example: Klay Thompson (a tall guard with textbook-perfect shooting mechanics and steady post moves, described by his teammates as acting the same whether he's made 10 shots or missed 10) vs. Stephen Curry (a smaller guard with [[http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10703246/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-reinventing-shooting-espn-magazine an unorthodox but deadly shot,]] a broad repertoire of high-risk, no-look passes, and a habit of enthusiastic on-court celebrations.)

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** Teammate example: Klay Thompson (a tall guard with textbook-perfect shooting mechanics and steady post moves, described by his teammates as acting the same whether he's made 10 shots or missed 10) vs. Stephen Curry (a smaller guard with [[http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10703246/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-reinventing-shooting-espn-magazine an unorthodox but deadly shot,]] a broad repertoire of high-risk, no-look passes, and a habit of enthusiastic on-court celebrations.)celebrations).
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