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18th Jan '17 8:47:08 PM YoshimitsuMaster
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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-152 ISU-152]], a [[{{BFG}} 152mm howitzer]] mounted on the IS tank chassis, was a heavy assault gun that -was also used as a heavy tank destroyer. And a fearsome one, at that- like the British Sherman Firefly, the [=ISU-152=] was TheDreaded to German heavy tank commanders. This was mainly because it's massive 152mm gun created enough blast force to ''blow the turret clean off a Tiger tank'', while it's 90mm sloped front armor was enough to protect it against return fire. Due to it's capability to destroy the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger tanks and even the rarely-fielded Ferdinand/Elefant and Jagdtiger tank destroyers, it received a nickname- ''zveroboi''- [[BillingualBonus which translates to "Beast Killer"]]. In fact, prior to the introduction of the SU-100, this was the only thing capable of destroying these German tanks- and even after that it remained a major reason why King Tigers weren't very inconvenient to Soviets, despite being ''absolute nightmares'' in the Western front.

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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-152 ISU-152]], a [[{{BFG}} 152mm howitzer]] mounted on the IS tank chassis, was a heavy assault gun that -was also used as a heavy tank destroyer. And a fearsome one, at that- like the British Sherman Firefly, the [=ISU-152=] was TheDreaded to German heavy tank commanders. This was mainly because it's massive 152mm gun created enough blast force to ''blow the turret clean off a Tiger tank'', while it's 90mm sloped front armor was enough to protect it against return fire. Due to it's capability to destroy the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger tanks and even the rarely-fielded Ferdinand/Elefant and Jagdtiger tank destroyers, it received a nickname- ''zveroboi''- [[BillingualBonus [[BilingualBonus which translates to "Beast Killer"]]. In fact, prior to the introduction of the SU-100, this was the only thing capable of destroying these German tanks- and even after that it remained a major reason why King Tigers weren't very inconvenient to Soviets, despite being ''absolute nightmares'' in the Western front.
15th Jan '17 1:40:55 PM SirMaxwellofMacsen
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Brigador}}'', Of the three vehicle types your [[PrivateMilitaryContractors Brigadors]] can use, good old fashioned Tanks are by far the most versatile, boasting a fair mix of Speed and Armor (Where as [[HumongousMecha Mechs]] have better armor but less speed and [[HoverTank Anti-Grav vehicles]] have better speed but less armor). Tanks also have the unique Ram ability, which temporally increases the tank's speed, allowing it to smash into and destroy any Enemy, Building, or '''[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Innocent Pedestrian]]''' in its path, with no adverse effects to the Tank itself. And, like everything else in ''Brigador'', the design theme of the Tanks you buy is different depending on which of the three factions it came from. [[TheEmpire The NEP Loyalist]] have a more conventional design philosophy for their tanks, But with some [[{{Retraux}} 1970s/1980s retro SciFi flair]] throughout, [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized The Corvids]] have Tanks made from [[ScavengedPunk junk and scrapped cars/tanks]] like something straight out of ''Film/MadMax'', and [[{{Transhuman}} The Spacers]] have Tanks that look like Space Rovers with turrets mounted to them.
8th Jan '17 12:12:21 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfTanks'' in spades. the tanks in the game stretch from the interwar period through WorldWar2 and into the postwar period, including tanks that existed only as prototypes or only on paper. But they've made the tanks as close to real life as possible without becoming a sim game. There are Light, Medium, and Heavy Tanks, Tank Destroyers, and Self-Propelled Guns. All from (as of Patch 9.13) the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks USA]], [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets USSR]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades France]], [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Germany]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Britain]], [[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport China]], [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Japan]], and [[UsefulNotes/BohemiansWithBombers Czechoslovakia]].

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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfTanks'' in spades. the tanks in the game stretch from the interwar period through WorldWar2 UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 and into the postwar period, including tanks that existed only as prototypes or only on paper. But they've made the tanks as close to real life as possible without becoming a sim game. There are Light, Medium, and Heavy Tanks, Tank Destroyers, and Self-Propelled Guns. All from (as of Patch 9.13) the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks USA]], [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets USSR]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades France]], [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Germany]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Britain]], [[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport China]], [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Japan]], and [[UsefulNotes/BohemiansWithBombers Czechoslovakia]].
6th Jan '17 4:06:20 PM Nautilus1
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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-152 ISU-152]], a [[BFG 152mm howitzer]] mounted on the IS tank chassis, was a heavy assault gun that -was also used as a heavy tank destroyer. And a fearsome one, at that- like the British Sherman Firefly, the [=ISU-152=] was TheDreaded to German heavy tank commanders. This was mainly because it's massive 152mm gun created enough blast force to ''blow the turret clean off a Tiger tank'', while it's 90mm sloped front armor was enough to protect it against return fire. Due to it's capability to destroy the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger tanks and even the rarely-fielded Ferdinand/Elefant and Jagdtiger tank destroyers, it received a nickname- ''zveroboi''- [[BillingualBonus which translates to "Beast Killer"]]. In fact, prior to the introduction of the SU-100, this was the only thing capable of destroying these German tanks- and even after that it remained a major reason why King Tigers weren't very inconvenient to Soviets, despite being ''absolute nightmares'' in the Western front.

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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-152 ISU-152]], a [[BFG [[{{BFG}} 152mm howitzer]] mounted on the IS tank chassis, was a heavy assault gun that -was also used as a heavy tank destroyer. And a fearsome one, at that- like the British Sherman Firefly, the [=ISU-152=] was TheDreaded to German heavy tank commanders. This was mainly because it's massive 152mm gun created enough blast force to ''blow the turret clean off a Tiger tank'', while it's 90mm sloped front armor was enough to protect it against return fire. Due to it's capability to destroy the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger tanks and even the rarely-fielded Ferdinand/Elefant and Jagdtiger tank destroyers, it received a nickname- ''zveroboi''- [[BillingualBonus which translates to "Beast Killer"]]. In fact, prior to the introduction of the SU-100, this was the only thing capable of destroying these German tanks- and even after that it remained a major reason why King Tigers weren't very inconvenient to Soviets, despite being ''absolute nightmares'' in the Western front.
5th Jan '17 2:24:39 AM AgentTasmania
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** Talking about IS tanks ( '''I'''ossif '''S'''talin, by the way), don't forget the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2 IS-2]], a heavy, breakthrough tank developed to counter the German Panthers & Tigers. The [=IS-2=] main armament was a [[MoreDakka 122mm gun]].

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** Talking about IS tanks ( '''I'''ossif '''S'''talin, by the way), don't forget the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2 IS-2]], a heavy, breakthrough tank developed to counter the German Panthers & Tigers. The [=IS-2=] main armament was a [[MoreDakka [[BFG 122mm gun]].gun]] that could kill a Tiger or Panther from much greater range than they could kill it or bust open fortifications with the best of them AND it could match a Panther on [[LightningBruiser mobility]]. Only flaw was a very low fire rate from handling the huge ammunition in a quite compact fighting compartment.
4th Jan '17 11:31:27 AM jazzyamx
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* ''FanFic/HereWeGoAgain'' brings the US Marines' [=M1A1=] Abrams tanks into the story of ''Literature/{{Gate}}''. The 2nd Tank Battalion, Charlie Company a.k.a "TheFourHorsemen" often brings additional firepower to Itami's Recon Team and are major force multipliers into fights that were ''already'' a CurbStompBattle to the JSDF in canon. Especially when the titular tank, 'Here We Go Again' goes up against the flame dragon, lives to tell the tale and even gets badass claw marks scarred into it's hull for all to see!

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* ''FanFic/HereWeGoAgain'' brings the US Marines' [=M1A1=] Abrams tanks into the story of ''Literature/{{Gate}}''. The 2nd Tank Battalion, Charlie Company a.k.a "TheFourHorsemen" often brings additional firepower to Itami's Recon Team and are major force multipliers into fights that were ''already'' a CurbStompBattle to for the JSDF in canon. Especially when the titular tank, 'Here We Go Again' goes up against the flame dragon, lives to tell the tale and even gets badass claw marks scarred into it's hull for all to see!
19th Dec '16 8:49:03 AM YoshimitsuMaster
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* The Israeli Merkava is the most versatile tank of the lot. Not only is it big, bad and extremely powerful, it has been designed first and foremost with crew survivability in mind. Also, its gun/Fire control system allow it to shoot attacking helicopters out of the sky, fire air bursting munitions and launch laser guided missiles. in addition to these features, it can also carry [[AwesomePersonnelCarrier troops into battle]],allowing the tank to double as an APC, Mobile command center and even a Medevac platform. Can one possibly ask more of a tank?

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* The Israeli Merkava is the most versatile tank of the lot. Not only is it big, bad and extremely powerful, it has been designed first and foremost with crew survivability in mind. Also, its gun/Fire control system allow it to shoot attacking helicopters out of the sky, fire air bursting munitions and launch laser guided missiles. in addition to these features, it can also carry [[AwesomePersonnelCarrier troops into battle]],allowing the tank to double as an APC, Mobile command center and even a Medevac platform. Can one possibly ask more of It is basically a tank?SwissArmyWeapon in tank form.



** Unfortunately for Israel, ambulance vehicles claiming protection under [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar the Geneva conventions]] aren't allowed to be armed, meaning that they have to choose between being protected by their medical status, and being protected by, well, being in a main battle tank. Also unfortunate is that the Merkava has to choose between either carrying troops or carrying ammunition. One might think this AwesomeButImpractical, but most of the people that Israel would be likely to fight are guerrilla organizations without much of a [[Main/ShootTheMedicFirst history of respecting]] the [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar protection afforded medical vehicles]], so it may not make much of a difference. (Should it ever come to land war with one of the Arab states, or--somehow--Iran,[[note]]The geography and the politics of it make such an eventuality a near impossibility, but whatever.[[/note]] the Geneva Conventions will likely be respected on both sides--as they were, by and large, in the previous wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973--but suffice it to say that such a war is presently highly unlikely.)
** The downside of all this coolness is that Merkava IV is so freaking HUGE and heavy that it literally has difficulties moving. Even with the Israel's tiny size it is usually delievered to the battlefield on trailer, because running it on its own power consumes the engine and transmission's service life, and the bridges have to be specially reinforced so they withstand its 63+ tons weight -- it helps that Israel has so few rivers.

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** Unfortunately for Israel, ambulance vehicles claiming protection under [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar the Geneva conventions]] aren't allowed to be armed, meaning that they have to choose between being protected by their medical status, and being protected by, well, being in a main battle tank. Also unfortunate is that the Merkava has to choose between either carrying troops or carrying ammunition. One might think this AwesomeButImpractical, but most of the people that Israel would be likely to fight are guerrilla organizations without much of a [[Main/ShootTheMedicFirst history of respecting]] the [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar protection afforded medical vehicles]], so it may not make much of a difference. (Should it ever come to land war with one of the Arab states, or--somehow--Iran,[[note]]The or-somehow-Iran,[[note]]The geography and the politics of it make such an eventuality a near impossibility, but whatever.Israel still has to prepare for such a scenario no matter how unlikely it is.[[/note]] the Geneva Conventions will likely be respected on both sides--as they were, by and large, in the previous wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973--but suffice it to say that such a war is presently highly unlikely.)
** The downside of all this coolness is that Merkava IV is so freaking HUGE and heavy that it literally has difficulties moving. Even with the Israel's tiny size it is usually delievered to the battlefield on trailer, because running it on its own power consumes the engine and transmission's service life, and the bridges have to be specially reinforced so they withstand its 63+ tons weight -- it helps that weight- fortunately, there are very few rivers in Israel has so few rivers. (it is a dry country after all, most of it desert).



*** It also demonstrates the skill of the British tankers, in that, despite Jeremy being in a car with a lot of "viewing ports" and essentially 360 degree vision, they still managed to hide from him. I repeat: a 63 ton MBT managed to jump a man in a vehicle designed to have high visibility.

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*** It also demonstrates the skill of the British tankers, in that, despite Jeremy being in a car with a lot of "viewing ports" and essentially 360 degree vision, they still managed to hide from him. I repeat: You heard that right: a 63 ton MBT managed to jump a man in a vehicle designed to have high visibility.



** Don't forget [[SpotOfTea the brew-up]], people. The Chally: a virtually impenetrable, go-anywhere tortoise with teeth that can calmly boil water for a decent cuppa (or, you know: heat up a meal) when you've got five or ten minutes to spare when not under direct fire. That's pretty cool. And, can find you friends in strange places willing to hog your ability to make their meal breaks more interesting. It's a British tank: not being able to make tea for a break any time, anywhere? Inconceivable! Arguably the strongest-armoured, best-armed, fastest, heaviest, manoeuvrable and well-engineered kettle you'll ever meet. Until the next version rolls up, that is.

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** Don't forget [[SpotOfTea the brew-up]], people. The Chally: a virtually impenetrable, go-anywhere tortoise with teeth that can calmly boil water for a decent cuppa (or, you know: heat up a meal) when you've got five or ten minutes to spare when not under direct fire. That's pretty cool. And, can find you friends in strange places willing to hog your ability to make their meal breaks more interesting. It's a British tank: not being able to make tea for a break any time, anywhere? Inconceivable! Arguably the strongest-armoured, best-armed, fastest, heaviest, manoeuvrable maneuvrable and well-engineered kettle you'll ever meet. Until the next version rolls up, that is.



** Talking about IS tanks ( '''I'''ossif '''S'''talin, by the way), don't forget the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2 IS-2]], a heavy, breakthrough tank developed to counter the German Panthers & Tigers whose main armament was a [[MoreDakka 122mm gun]].

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** Talking about IS tanks ( '''I'''ossif '''S'''talin, by the way), don't forget the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2 IS-2]], a heavy, breakthrough tank developed to counter the German Panthers & Tigers whose Tigers. The [=IS-2=] main armament was a [[MoreDakka 122mm gun]].



** During WorldWarTwo ThoseWackyNazis developed the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus Panzerkampfwagen VIII]] ''Maus'', a 188 ton superheavy tank (it means 'mouse' -- who says the Germans [[FluffyTheTerrible don't have a sense of humor]]) with a 128mm ''and'' a 75mm coaxial gun. These two prototypes one with, one without turret underwent trials in late 1944. The second was pressed into combat against the Soviets in the last days of the war and was scuttled by it's crew to prevent the Soviets from capturing in, when it was destroyed by placing charges in the engine and fighting compartments. Unfortunately for them, the Soviet Commander of Armored and Mechanized troops ordered the hull of the first to be mated with the turret of second and it was put it in a museum.

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** During WorldWarTwo ThoseWackyNazis developed the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus Panzerkampfwagen VIII]] ''Maus'', a 188 ton superheavy tank (it means 'mouse' -- who says the Germans [[FluffyTheTerrible don't have a sense of humor]]) with a 128mm ''and'' a 75mm coaxial gun. These two prototypes one with, one without turret underwent trials in late 1944. The second was pressed into combat against the Soviets in the last days of the war and was scuttled by it's crew to prevent the Soviets from capturing in, when it was destroyed by placing charges in the engine and fighting compartments. Unfortunately for them, the Soviet Commander of Armored and Mechanized troops ordered the hull of the first to be mated with the turret of second and it was put it in a museum.the Kubinka Tank Museum.



** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. 95-ton monstrosity with 8 mph top speed and 4 sets of tracks for different soils wasn't much more usable than the rest, but at least got to move on its own -- there are two prototypes.

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** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. 95-ton monstrosity with 8 mph top speed and 4 sets of tracks for different soils wasn't much more usable than the rest, but at least got to move on its own -- there are two prototypes. One was destroyed by a fire and was scrapped, and the other sat for 25 years unnoticed (no one knew for sure how it was abandoned and what happened in 25 years intervening) until 1974 when a farmer hunting in the woods found it and told the authorities. It now sits in Fort Benning in Georgia.



* Speaking of the failed German superheavy tanks from World War II, there's also what was without a doubt Nazi Germany's [[LightningBruiser scariest war machine]] -- if not its most reliable -- the [=PzKpfw=] VI, otherwise known as the Tiger. Yes, its design suffered from being overengineered, lacking sloped armour and being costly to produce, but it's arguably the most iconic armoured vehicle to ever have existed, with its thick armour and [[{{BFG}} enormous 88mm cannon]]. Allied forces suffered "Tiger terror" for a reason, and recommended tactics for Sherman tanks -- at least before stuff like the Firefly came about -- was to outnumber it ''five'' to one, and it was still generally accepted that four of those were likely to be destroyed. [[WeHaveReserves Since there were many more Shermans than Tigers, though...]] (Specifically, ''25'' Shermans for every Tiger I, II, or Jagdtiger.)

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* Speaking of the failed German superheavy tanks from World War II, there's also what was without a doubt Nazi Germany's [[LightningBruiser scariest war machine]] -- if not its most reliable -- the [=PzKpfw=] VI, otherwise known as the Tiger. Yes, its design suffered from being overengineered, lacking sloped armour Sure, it is over-engineered, expensive to produce and being costly to produce, broke down often, but it's arguably the most iconic armoured vehicle to ever have existed, with its thick armour and [[{{BFG}} enormous 88mm cannon]]. Allied forces suffered "Tiger terror" for a reason, and recommended tactics for Sherman tanks -- at least before stuff like the Firefly came about -- was to outnumber it ''five'' to one, and it was still generally accepted that four of those were likely to be destroyed. [[WeHaveReserves Since there [[ZergRush There were many more Shermans than Tigers, though...]] (Specifically, ''25'' Tigers though]] [[note]]Specifically, there were ''eight'' Shermans for every Tiger I, II, or Jagdtiger.)Tiger.[[/note]]



** Awesome as the King Tiger was, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdtiger Jagdtiger]] tank destroyer had even more armour (a freakish ''quarter of a metre thick'' in places - ten inches, all but a hairsbreadth) and an [[BiggerIsBetter even bigger]] 128mm gun that could trash any enemy tank from two miles away. Fortunately, few were built and mechanical problems were common (along with fuel and equipment shortages). And mobility issues, since a lot of bridges couldn't actually take its 70+ ton weight.

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** Awesome as the King Tiger was, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdtiger Jagdtiger]] tank destroyer had even more armour (a freakish ''quarter of a metre thick'' in places - ten inches, all but a hairsbreadth) and an [[BiggerIsBetter even bigger]] 128mm gun that could trash any enemy tank from two miles away. Fortunately, few were built and mechanical problems were common (along with fuel and equipment shortages). And mobility issues, since a lot of bridges couldn't actually take its 70+ ton weight.[[note]] The Jagdtiger, in fact, was the heaviest armored fighting vehicle to see service in World War II.[[/note]]



*** Shermans upgunned with 76mm (American) and Ordnance QF 17-pounder (British) guns didn't do too badly either, and in fact Sherman Fireflies (armed with 17-pounder guns) could penetrate Panther turrets at a decent range and were almost a match for Tiger 1s.
** Panthers actually ''were'' tanks in the blitzkrieg tradition. That is they were made to be heavy cavalry without horses. Tigers were anti-tank guns on tracks.
*** Tigers were anti-aircraft guns on tracks. It's just they realized that their 88mm FLAK gun was really good at destroying armored vehicles but was difficult to deploy, so they decided to build a tank around it.

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*** Shermans upgunned with 76mm (American) and Ordnance QF 17-pounder (British) guns didn't do too badly either, and in fact Sherman Fireflies (armed with 17-pounder guns) could penetrate Panther turrets at a decent range and were almost a match for Tiger 1s.
1s. [[note]] In fact, the Sherman Firefly is TheDreaded to Tiger I crews, who made Fireflies a first-priority target if encountered. It was also a Sherman Firefly that ultimately did in famed German tank ace Michael Witmann's Tiger I [[/note]]
** Panthers actually ''were'' tanks in the blitzkrieg tradition. That is is. they were made to be heavy cavalry without horses. Tigers were anti-tank anti-air guns on tracks.
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tracks- developed because they needed a way to give mobility to the cumbersome but powerful FlaK 88 gun- and Tigers were anti-aircraft guns on tracks. It's just they realized that their 88mm FLAK gun was really good at destroying armored vehicles but was difficult to deploy, so they decided to build a tank around it.the result.



** One fact that is often left out is that the Panther had huge flaws, like its secondary gear shift and complicated intersected wheels for example. It was poorly constructed and held together for a whopping 150km, before needing a maintenance overhaul. The turret had a weak motorisation that left the crew with hand cranking it while tilted, and the intersected wheels made changing the inner row a pain, since you had to remove 3 wheels to change one. The motor and tracks also didn't hold together that much, needing to be swapped every 1000 and 500km respectively. That said, the good did outweigh the bad by a huge degree, and in combat the design's merits were proved beyond a doubt. Despite this, the [[BoringButPractical Panzer IV]] remained the workhorse of the German Army until the end.

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** One fact that is often left out is that the Panther The Panther, however, had huge flaws, like its secondary gear shift and complicated intersected wheels for example. It was poorly constructed and held together for a whopping 150km, before needing a maintenance overhaul. The turret had a weak motorisation that left the crew with hand cranking it while tilted, and the intersected wheels made changing the inner row a pain, since you had to remove 3 wheels to change one. The motor and tracks also didn't hold together that much, needing to be swapped every 1000 and 500km respectively. That said, the good did outweigh the bad by a huge degree, and in combat the design's merits were proved beyond a doubt. Despite this, the [[BoringButPractical Panzer IV]] remained the workhorse of the German Army until the end.



*** Early T-34s were also borderline blind, a combination of not having a cupola, and terrible optics for both the Driver and Gunner, effectively blinding it, and further esclalating a problem of only being able to engage german tanks in close distances. Later models rectified some, but not all of the problems involving the T-34's visibility.

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*** Early T-34s were also borderline blind, a combination of not having a cupola, and terrible optics for both the Driver and Gunner, effectively blinding it, and further esclalating a problem of only being able to engage german German tanks in close distances. Later models rectified some, but not all of the problems involving the T-34's visibility.



** The Military Channel show ''Top Tens'' episode on tanks ranked the T-34 as number one, ahead of M1 Abrams. One of the main ranking categories were production numbers and historical impact. The M1 Abrams, while arguably the best modern tank, has not yet made significant historical impact. Also, they're very high-tech and expensive, meaning there aren't very many of them made. The T-34 is the second most produced tank in history(after the T-54/55) and was crucial in turning the tide of a world war. It is basically, the AK-47 of tanks.
*** "Aren't very many" being a relative term. There are roughly 9,000 Abrams rolling around the world today which is much more than any other entry in its generation. The reason why such a respectable number is considered small? Over 84,000 T-35's rolled off the assembly lines. [[CaptainObvious That is a lot of tanks.]]

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** The Military Channel show ''Top Tens'' episode on tanks ranked the T-34 as number one, ahead of M1 Abrams. One of the main ranking categories were production numbers and historical impact. The M1 Abrams, while arguably the best modern tank, has not yet made significant historical impact. Also, they're very high-tech and expensive, meaning there aren't very many of them made.made [[note]]Altough this is a relative term; there are over 8.000 Abrams in service all over the world, but this is a drop in the bucket compared to the 85.000 T-34s of all modifications that rolled off the assembly lines[[/note]]. The T-34 is the second most produced tank in history(after the T-54/55) and was crucial in turning the tide of a world war. It is is, basically, the AK-47 of tanks.
*** "Aren't very many" being a relative term. There are roughly 9,000 Abrams rolling around the world today which is much more than any other entry in its generation. The reason why such a respectable number is considered small? Over 84,000 T-35's rolled off the assembly lines. [[CaptainObvious That is a lot of
tanks.]]



** The most massively ironic factor? Syria fielded, among more modern Soviet export tanks, surplus ''[=Panzer IVs=]''.

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** The most massively ironic factor? And as an extra dose of irony, Syria fielded, among more modern Soviet export tanks, surplus ''[=Panzer IVs=]''.amongst other things, ''surplus Panzer IVs''.



** The Sherman actually performed very well historically with the US Army, and its failures are much exaggerated by many modern "history" shows that only did very basic research (the oft-quoted "It takes five Shermans to kill a Tiger / Panther" for instance was largely a myth...and in the case of Tigers it should hardly be a surprise that it was harder to kill than a medium tank like the Sherman as that's the entire point of heavy tanks). They actually won the majority of the major tank vs tank battles, even when ''outnumbered'' by the Germans. The textbook case is the Battle of Arracourt wherein the US Army lost only 30 Shermans while destroying over 90 German tanks, mostly the vaunted Panthers - despite being outnumbered and lacking air support for most of the battle. Moreover, the US Armored ''Divisions'' were far superior to their German equivalents, because the US Army paid careful attention to supporting their tankers with mechanized infantry and artillery units. Somewhere between one third to one half of a US Armored Division's strength was actually mech infantry or artillery, while the equivalent German formations were lucky to have some infantry (often marching on foot and getting left behind) to support them.
*** Better tactics and training can make up for a lot of deficiencies in tanks--and the Sherman was not too far behind the tanks of 1940s or even 50s, with appropriate upgrades. During conflicts in Middle East and in South Asia, Israeli and Indian Shermans made mincemeat of Jordanian and Pakistani M-48s on several occasions.
** Well before the Israelis created their Super Shermans, the British upgraded the Sherman to carry the enormous and powerful 17-pounder anti-tank gun, having decided that the US Army's tank destroyer doctrine was complete horseshit. The resulting tank, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly Sherman Firefly,]] was rightly feared by German tank crews and Fireflies became priority targets to the extent that the Firefly's main gun was often camouflaged to [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Sherman_Firefly_9-08-2008_15-05-43.JPG resemble the Sherman's original 75mm gun.]] Famously, it was likely a Firefly that did in German tank ace Michael Wittmann's Tiger.

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** The Sherman actually performed very well historically also had an excellent service history with the US Army, and its failures are much contrary to modern history films that often exaggerated by many modern "history" shows that it's failures largely due to only did very basic research (the (for example, the oft-quoted "It "it takes five 5 Shermans to kill a take out one Tiger" was redundant- the Tiger / Panther" for instance was largely a myth...heavy tank, and in the case of Tigers it should hardly be a surprise that it was harder to kill than a medium tank like the Sherman as that's the ''the entire point of heavy tanks). They actually won tanks'' was summed up nicely in the majority of the major tank vs tank battles, even when ''outnumbered'' by the Germans. The textbook case is the Battle of Arracourt wherein quote- take down more than 1 vehicle from a lesser weight class). During one engagement in 1944, the US Army lost only 30 Shermans while destroying over 90 German tanks, tanks- mostly the vaunted Panthers - despite being outnumbered and Panthers. ''While lacking air support for most of the battle. Moreover, support''. This was also somewhat helped that the US Armored ''Divisions'' were far superior to their German equivalents, because the US Army paid careful attention to supporting their tankers with Corps had adequate support of mechanized infantry and artillery units. Somewhere between one third to one half of a US Armored Division's strength was actually mech infantry or artillery, while the equivalent something their German formations counterparts were severely lacking in, if they were lucky enough to have some infantry (often marching on foot and getting left behind) to support them.
receive it at all.
*** Better tactics and training can make up for a lot of deficiencies in tanks--and the Sherman was not too far behind the tanks of 1940s or even 50s, with appropriate upgrades. During conflicts in Middle East and in South Asia, Israeli and Indian Shermans made mincemeat of Jordanian and Pakistani M-48s [=M48s=] on several occasions.
** Well before the Israelis created their Super Shermans, the British upgraded the Sherman to carry the enormous and powerful 17-pounder anti-tank gun, having decided that the US Army's tank destroyer doctrine was complete horseshit. The resulting tank, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly Sherman Firefly,]] was rightly [[TheDreaded feared by German tank crews crews]] and Fireflies became priority targets to the extent that the Firefly's main gun was often camouflaged to [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Sherman_Firefly_9-08-2008_15-05-43.JPG resemble the Sherman's original 75mm gun.]] Famously, it was likely a Firefly that did in German tank ace Michael Wittmann's Tiger.Tiger, as noted above.



** The M4 Sherman was deployed after the T-34 so had less of a shock value to the German forces who had prepared anti-tank guns like the pak 75mm and flak 88mm. It was a highly reliable vehicle that had small but important upgrades in only a few years time to improve its mobility, armor, and most importantly its gun. The delay of the much needed 76mm upgrade was withheld due to ObstructiveBureaucrat considering the M4 Sherman to be a kind of cavalry vehicle which led to Crippling Overspecialization as turreted Tank Hunters the m10 Wolverine, M18 Hellcat, and M36 Jackson carried anti-tank guns in separate groups..
** While the Sherman ''was'' produced in smaller numbers than the T-34, this was more a result of the united states simply not being as focused on a single land war as the Soviet Union. A good portion of American production was put towards the naval war with Japan, as well as an air war and bombing campaign in europe, not to mention supplying trucks, food, and countless other supplies for the entirety of the allied military. If the U.S. Had singlemindedly produced M4 models like the Soviets did with the T-34, it's likely that the Sherman production would have vastly outpaced that of the T-34.

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** The M4 Sherman was deployed after the T-34 so had less of a shock value to the German forces who had prepared anti-tank guns like the pak 75mm and flak Flak 88mm. It was a highly reliable vehicle that had small but important upgrades in only a few years time to improve its mobility, armor, and most importantly its gun. The delay of the much needed 76mm upgrade was withheld due to ObstructiveBureaucrat considering the M4 Sherman to be a kind of cavalry vehicle which led to Crippling Overspecialization as turreted Tank Hunters the m10 Wolverine, M18 Hellcat, and M36 Jackson carried anti-tank guns in separate groups..
** While the Sherman ''was'' produced in smaller numbers than the T-34, this was more a result of the united states United States simply not being as focused on a single land war as the Soviet Union. A good portion of American production was put towards the naval war with Japan, as well as an air war and bombing campaign in europe, not to mention supplying trucks, food, and countless other supplies for the entirety of the allied military. If the U.S. Had singlemindedly produced M4 models like the Soviets did with the T-34, it's likely that the Sherman production would have vastly outpaced that of the T-34.



** The M3 Lee was also sent to the Red Army. While the Russians were not happy with the high profile, the poor hull shape, inadequate armor and the need for gasoline fuel (as opposed to Diesel), they liked the high explosive capacity of the weapon, and the spacious crew compartment allowed them to function as heavy Armored Personnel Carriers in summer, carrying ten troops armed with submachineguns.

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** The M3 Lee was also sent to the Red Army. While the Russians were not happy with the high profile, the poor hull shape, inadequate armor and the need for gasoline fuel (as opposed to Diesel), they liked the high explosive capacity of the weapon, and the spacious crew compartment allowed them to function as heavy Armored Personnel Carriers in summer, carrying ten troops armed with submachineguns.[=SMGs=].



* British Infantry Tank II Matilda. Before late 1941 it completely outclassed anything the Germans and Italians could throw in, and the only weapon which had chances to destroy it was the [[CoolGun 88 mm anti-aircraft gun]]. It gained the nickname ''Queen of the Desert'' during the Operation Compass in 1940. Obsolete at West by 1942, the surviving Matildas were shipped to Far East - where it proved superior against anything the Japanese had. The Australians dubbed Matilda as ''Queen of the Jungle''. One of the more whimsical modifications was to equip Matilda with Hedgehog ''depth charge'' launcher.(The Hedgehog is actually a Cluster mortar system, and uses impact-fused rounds) [No, it was not used against submarines, but Japanese bunkers.]

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* British Infantry Tank II Matilda. Before late 1941 it completely outclassed anything the Germans and Italians could throw in, and the only weapon which had chances to destroy it was the [[CoolGun [[CoolGuns 88 mm anti-aircraft gun]]. It gained the nickname ''Queen of the Desert'' during the Operation Compass in 1940. Obsolete at West by 1942, the surviving Matildas were shipped to Far East - where it proved superior against anything the Japanese had. The Australians dubbed Matilda as ''Queen of the Jungle''. One of the more whimsical modifications was to equip Matilda with Hedgehog ''depth charge'' launcher.(The Hedgehog is actually a Cluster mortar system, and uses impact-fused rounds) [No, rounds, and no, it was not used against submarines, but Japanese bunkers.] ]



* The Matilda's "companion", the Valentine, was no slouch. Although not nearly as heavily armored as the Matilda, it was still a small, well-protected and versatile tank that could fit a variety of roles. The diesel versions of the Valentine were very reliable, had superb fording and terrain-crossing capabilities, far better off-road speed than one would expect, and excellent fuel economy.
* The nomenclature of British tanks was always a problem as far as psychological warfare goes, however. Somehow, it's a lot easier to be terrified by a "Tiger" or a "Panther" than by a tank called a "Matilda" or a "Valentine!"
** No, not so intimidating. Right up until [[BewareTheSillyOnes it blows your head off.]]
* The [[UsefulNotes/PolesWithPoleaxes Polish]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_TPzN1s9FQ PL-01]] concept tank. Stealthy like the Armata, but also equipped with [[RobotBuddy an unmanned turret]] to maximize crew survivability. [[Webcomic/{{Polandball}} Poland cannot into space]], but [[TheAestheticsOfTechnology it can certainly make its war machines absolutely badass]].

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* The Matilda's "companion", the Valentine, was no slouch. Although not nearly as heavily armored as the Matilda, it was still a small, well-protected and versatile tank that could fit a variety of roles. The diesel versions of the Valentine were very reliable, had superb fording and terrain-crossing capabilities, far better off-road speed than one would expect, and excellent fuel economy.
economy. The Soviets also received it under the Lend-Lease program, and while they weren't happy with the slow speed and weak firepower, they liked it's extreme reliability and still-impressive armor.
* The nomenclature of British tanks was always a problem as far as double-edged sword when psychological warfare goes, however. Somehow, it's was involved. It's a lot easier to be terrified frightened by a "Tiger" or a "Panther" [[note]] These two were NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast after all.[[/note]] than by a tank called a "Matilda" or a "Valentine!"
** No, not so intimidating. Right up until [[BewareTheSillyOnes it blows
"Valentine". But it's a lot easier to deceive your head off.]]
enemy when you have the FluffyTheTerrible trope on your side too.
* The [[UsefulNotes/PolesWithPoleaxes Polish]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_TPzN1s9FQ PL-01]] concept tank. Stealthy like the Armata, but also equipped with [[RobotBuddy an unmanned turret]] to maximize crew survivability. [[Webcomic/{{Polandball}} Poland cannot go into space]], but [[TheAestheticsOfTechnology it can certainly make its war machines absolutely badass]].


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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-152 ISU-152]], a [[BFG 152mm howitzer]] mounted on the IS tank chassis, was a heavy assault gun that -was also used as a heavy tank destroyer. And a fearsome one, at that- like the British Sherman Firefly, the [=ISU-152=] was TheDreaded to German heavy tank commanders. This was mainly because it's massive 152mm gun created enough blast force to ''blow the turret clean off a Tiger tank'', while it's 90mm sloped front armor was enough to protect it against return fire. Due to it's capability to destroy the Panther, Tiger and King Tiger tanks and even the rarely-fielded Ferdinand/Elefant and Jagdtiger tank destroyers, it received a nickname- ''zveroboi''- [[BillingualBonus which translates to "Beast Killer"]]. In fact, prior to the introduction of the SU-100, this was the only thing capable of destroying these German tanks- and even after that it remained a major reason why King Tigers weren't very inconvenient to Soviets, despite being ''absolute nightmares'' in the Western front.
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** It's not just the run-of-the-mill FanNickname, it's an ''[[SureWhyNot Official]]'' FanNickname, because Wargaming.net and PAW are actually cross-merchandizing.

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** It's not just the run-of-the-mill FanNickname, it's an ''[[SureWhyNot ''[[AscendedFanon Official]]'' FanNickname, because Wargaming.net and PAW are actually cross-merchandizing.
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* ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' example: an early boss (the second, if I recall correctly) was the Dragon Tank. Three guesses as to what it looks like.

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* ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' example: an early boss (the second, if I recall correctly) was the Dragon Tank. Three guesses as to what it looks like.
29th Nov '16 12:31:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* ReBoot had two games where the User character was a tank. Unfortunately one of the games crashed and a dinosaur game was loaded on top of the crashed game, merging the games. The result was a User character that was a [[NinjaZombiePirateRobot t-rex with a tank turret for a head]].

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* ReBoot ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'' had two games where the User character was a tank. Unfortunately one of the games crashed and a dinosaur game was loaded on top of the crashed game, merging the games. The result was a User character that was a [[NinjaZombiePirateRobot t-rex with a tank turret for a head]].
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