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16th Sep '17 5:26:36 PM nombretomado
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* The 1980 [=CoinOp=] game ''VideoGame/{{BattleZone|1980}}'' had you driving a tank against other tanks in a first person view.. The [[YanksWithTanks US Army]] expressed enough interest that it was the first basis for electronic simulators.

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* The 1980 [=CoinOp=] game ''VideoGame/{{BattleZone|1980}}'' had you driving a tank against other tanks in a first person view.. The [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks US Army]] expressed enough interest that it was the first basis for electronic simulators.



* There's a good case for TruthInTelevision with this trope. Even though a single tank may not be a rampaging fortress of badassery in itself without combined arms support, it doesn't mean that they're not cool. The [[YanksWithTanks M1A2 Abrams]], [[UsefulNotes/WeAreNotTheWehrmacht Leopard 2A6]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Challenger 2]], [[UsefulNotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Merkava Mk.4]], [[UsefulNotes/RussiansWithRustingRockets T-90]],[[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport Type-99]], [[UsefulNotes/PakistanisWithPanters Khalid]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades Leclerc]] and several others are all examples of RealLife tanks that are pretty damn cool and fairly badass. Plus, they don't suffer from the CripplingOverspecialization of fictional tanks (though most of them fall somewhere separate of the others in terms of speed, armour, firepower, and cost (the hidden factor!), ensuring [[CosmeticallyDifferentSides no two nation's tanks are exactly alike]]). Most of them also have the neat feature of being totally modular - swapping the entire engine, suspension, armor plates, etc is easier and faster than actually repairing the components.

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* There's a good case for TruthInTelevision with this trope. Even though a single tank may not be a rampaging fortress of badassery in itself without combined arms support, it doesn't mean that they're not cool. The [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks M1A2 Abrams]], [[UsefulNotes/WeAreNotTheWehrmacht Leopard 2A6]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Challenger 2]], [[UsefulNotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Merkava Mk.4]], [[UsefulNotes/RussiansWithRustingRockets T-90]],[[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport Type-99]], [[UsefulNotes/PakistanisWithPanters Khalid]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades Leclerc]] and several others are all examples of RealLife tanks that are pretty damn cool and fairly badass. Plus, they don't suffer from the CripplingOverspecialization of fictional tanks (though most of them fall somewhere separate of the others in terms of speed, armour, firepower, and cost (the hidden factor!), ensuring [[CosmeticallyDifferentSides no two nation's tanks are exactly alike]]). Most of them also have the neat feature of being totally modular - swapping the entire engine, suspension, armor plates, etc is easier and faster than actually repairing the components.



*** That said, the one thing that the YanksWithTanks are [[InternetBackdraft uncontroversially]] best at is [[EasyLogistics logistics]]. No other country can ship supplies from point A to point B faster or more reliably than the US which means that the Abrams can and do meet most of its fuel requirements. After all, there are thousands of Abrams deployed all over the world, and there has only been one instance where an Abrams ran out of fuel in the field. Indeed, the main reason for adopting the turbine engine was logistics: (1) the logistics people wanted an engine that would run most efficiently on JP-8, an oily kerosene-based jet fuel closely resembling the Jet A-1 fuel used to power most commercial jet aircraft, which (it was decided) would be the sole fuel of the US military, so they used a turbine (JP-8 can be and ''is'' used as diesel fuel, but not quite as well as it can be used in a turbine, generally speaking); (2) ''because'' the US is so good at logistics, it's generally no problem for American tanks to get their fuel.

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*** That said, the one thing that the YanksWithTanks UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks are [[InternetBackdraft uncontroversially]] best at is [[EasyLogistics logistics]]. No other country can ship supplies from point A to point B faster or more reliably than the US which means that the Abrams can and do meet most of its fuel requirements. After all, there are thousands of Abrams deployed all over the world, and there has only been one instance where an Abrams ran out of fuel in the field. Indeed, the main reason for adopting the turbine engine was logistics: (1) the logistics people wanted an engine that would run most efficiently on JP-8, an oily kerosene-based jet fuel closely resembling the Jet A-1 fuel used to power most commercial jet aircraft, which (it was decided) would be the sole fuel of the US military, so they used a turbine (JP-8 can be and ''is'' used as diesel fuel, but not quite as well as it can be used in a turbine, generally speaking); (2) ''because'' the US is so good at logistics, it's generally no problem for American tanks to get their fuel.
15th Sep '17 8:51:27 PM nombretomado
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* The most popular early online game after ''Net Trek'' was a {{Macintosh}} title by the name of ''VideoGame/{{Bolo}}''. Gameplay consisted of a fight over stationary bases that could refuel ammo and armor, destructible automatic pillboxes that could be rebuilt anywhere on the map, and your tank's ability to almost completely alter the terrain of a map thanks to a construction worker that could stockpile building materials in your tank.

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* The most popular early online game after ''Net Trek'' was a {{Macintosh}} UsefulNotes/{{Macintosh}} title by the name of ''VideoGame/{{Bolo}}''. Gameplay consisted of a fight over stationary bases that could refuel ammo and armor, destructible automatic pillboxes that could be rebuilt anywhere on the map, and your tank's ability to almost completely alter the terrain of a map thanks to a construction worker that could stockpile building materials in your tank.
8th Aug '17 3:40:44 PM kikiandlala
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* The Krawls from ''ComicBook/TheRedStar'' are tanks deployed by dropships. They pack enormous fire with their heavy main cannon and sponson-mounted autocannons. Additionally, they double as artillery with their mounted multi-missile launchers.
8th Aug '17 7:12:02 AM JamesAustin
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* ''FanFic/HereWeGoAgain'' brings the US Marines' [=M1A1=] Abrams tanks into the story of ''Literature/{{Gate}}''. The 2nd Tank Battalion, Charlie Company a.k.a "TheFourHorsemen" often brings additional firepower to Itami's Recon Team and are major force multipliers into fights that were ''already'' a CurbStompBattle for the JSDF in canon. Especially when the titular tank, 'Here We Go Again' goes up against the flame dragon, lives to tell the tale and even gets badass claw marks scarred into it's hull for all to see!

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* ''FanFic/HereWeGoAgain'' brings the US Marines' [=M1A1=] Abrams tanks into the story of ''Literature/{{Gate}}''. The 2nd Tank Battalion, Charlie Company a.k.a "TheFourHorsemen" "[[HorsemenOfTheApocalypse The Four Horsemen]]" often brings additional firepower to Itami's Recon Team and are major force multipliers into fights that were ''already'' a CurbStompBattle for the JSDF in canon. Especially when the titular tank, 'Here We Go Again' goes up against the flame dragon, lives to tell the tale and even gets badass claw marks scarred into it's hull for all to see!
3rd Aug '17 4:34:37 AM DarthWalrus
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** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. Essentially, when the Americans decided they needed a new Tank to take down the Siegfried Line, they decided to fight bunkers ''with'' bunkers. A 95-ton rolling bunker with a literal ''foot'' of armor and a [[SarcasmMode blistering]] top speed of 8 miles per hour. [[DamnedByFaintPraise atleast it managed to move under it's own power and ''not'' sink into the dirt]], in no small part thanks to it's mounting ''4'' tracks, 2 on each side. Of the two prototypes built, one was recovered in 1974 when a farmer stumbled upon it, abandoned in a field. It currently sits in Fort Benning, Georgia. The other one sadly, was damaged in an engine fire while being used as a testbed for heavy vehicle components and had to be scrapped

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** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. Essentially, when the Americans decided they needed a new Tank to take down the Siegfried Line, they decided to fight bunkers ''with'' bunkers. A 95-ton rolling bunker with a literal ''foot'' of armor and a [[SarcasmMode blistering]] top speed of 8 miles per hour. [[DamnedByFaintPraise But atleast it managed to move under it's own power and ''not'' not sink into the dirt]], in no small part thanks to it's mounting ''4'' tracks, 2 on each side. Of the two prototypes built, one was recovered in 1974 when a farmer stumbled upon it, abandoned in a field. It currently sits in Fort Benning, Georgia. The other one sadly, was damaged in an engine fire while being used as a testbed for heavy vehicle components and had to be scrapped
3rd Aug '17 2:51:03 AM DarthWalrus
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** The British counterpart to the T28 above, is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise_heavy_assault_tank Tortoise Heavy Assault Tank]], likewise built to break through the Siegfried Line. Weighing in at only 78 tons, and mounting both a smaller gun and less armor than the T28, the Tortoise was capable of being marginally more mobile, albeit still being comically slow by any standard.



* The M26 Pershing, the ancestor of M47, M47, M48, and M60 was only introduced in the last year of world war 2, but is well remembered. Like the 76mm Sherman, it was delayed by Obstructive Bureaucrats who tried to reduce the gun caliber among other things. When it was finally seen in battle it was superior to the Tiger 1 and Panther. Like the Tiger it used a repurposed anti-aircraft gun but improvements made its gun closer to the Tiger 2 gun. It does have reliability problem, however, partly due to the engine essentially being M4's engine being used on a tank 10 ton heavier, which eventually results in its service in the Korean War being cut short and replaced by M4 and M46 instead.

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* The M26 Pershing, the ancestor of M47, M47, M48, and M60 was only introduced in the last year of world war 2, but is well remembered. Like the 76mm Sherman, it was delayed by Obstructive Bureaucrats who tried to reduce the gun caliber among other things. When it was finally seen in battle it was superior to the Tiger 1 and Panther. Like the Tiger it used a repurposed anti-aircraft gun but improvements made its gun closer to the Tiger 2 gun. It does have reliability problem, however, partly due to the engine essentially being M4's engine being used on a tank 10 ton heavier, which eventually results in its service in the Korean War being cut short and replaced by M4 and M46 instead. Like the Panther, the Pershing was designed, not as a heavy tank, but as an outright replacement for the Sherman, essentially being the "Missing link" between WW2-era mediums and the modern MBT.
3rd Aug '17 2:38:47 AM DarthWalrus
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** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. 95-ton monstrosity with 8 mph top speed and 4 sets of tracks for different soils wasn't much more usable than the rest, but at least got to move on its own -- there are two prototypes. One was destroyed by a fire and was scrapped, and the other sat for 25 years unnoticed (no one knew for sure how it was abandoned and what happened in 25 years intervening) until 1974 when a farmer hunting in the woods found it and told the authorities. It now sits in Fort Benning in Georgia.

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** Americans meanwhile tried [[http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=331 T28 Super Heavy Tank / Gun Motor Carriage T95]], redesignated back and forth due to lack of turret. Essentially, when the Americans decided they needed a new Tank to take down the Siegfried Line, they decided to fight bunkers ''with'' bunkers. A 95-ton monstrosity rolling bunker with 8 mph a literal ''foot'' of armor and a [[SarcasmMode blistering]] top speed and 4 sets of tracks for different soils wasn't much more usable than the rest, but at least got 8 miles per hour. [[DamnedByFaintPraise atleast it managed to move on its under it's own -- there are power and ''not'' sink into the dirt]], in no small part thanks to it's mounting ''4'' tracks, 2 on each side. Of the two prototypes. One prototypes built, one was destroyed by a fire and was scrapped, and the other sat for 25 years unnoticed (no one knew for sure how it was abandoned and what happened recovered in 25 years intervening) until 1974 when a farmer hunting stumbled upon it, abandoned in the woods found it and told the authorities. a field. It now currently sits in Fort Benning Benning, Georgia. The other one sadly, was damaged in Georgia.an engine fire while being used as a testbed for heavy vehicle components and had to be scrapped
3rd Aug '17 2:22:55 AM DarthWalrus
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*** The Firefly was not [[NecessaryDrawback without it's own disadvantages]] however. The oversized 17-pounder gun barely fit inside the M4's turret, making it extremely difficult to aim and load the gun, and it's lack of a high explosive round made it highly vulnerable to both anti-tank guns and infantry with the increasingly common Jagdfaust.
24th Jul '17 4:04:01 AM Jubileus57
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* ''VideoGame/{{Miitopia}}'' has the heavy-hitting Tank class (as in, Miis wearing a tank on their ''heads'').



** ''VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey'' has the Sherm, a tank enemy that Mario can capture. [[spoiler:This is required to defeat the Mecha-Wiggler]].



* ''VideoGame/WiiPlay'' has a whole minigame, soberly named [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Tanks]], made out of this trope (albeit in a miniature version).



* ''VideoGame/{{Miitopia}}'' has the heavy-hitting Tank class (as in, Miis wearing a tank on their ''heads'').
* ''VideoGame/WiiPlay'' has a whole minigame, soberly named [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Tanks]], made out of this trope (albeit in a miniature version).
16th Jul '17 5:38:46 PM nombretomado
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** ''Literature/IfThisGoesOn'' has these. They are sort of "landships". To get an idea of the "landships", think of a WW2 battleship that goes overland like a tank.

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** ''Literature/IfThisGoesOn'' has these. They are sort of "landships". To get an idea of the "landships", think of a WW2 [=WW2=] battleship that goes overland like a tank.



** Or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II Tiger II (aka King Tiger)]], a [[UptoEleven Tiger tank on several jars of steroids]] with an even more powerful gun and sloped armor. However, as with many German WW2 tanks, mechanical problems were quite common and few were built as they appeared in the last year of the war.

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** Or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II Tiger II (aka King Tiger)]], a [[UptoEleven Tiger tank on several jars of steroids]] with an even more powerful gun and sloped armor. However, as with many German WW2 [=WW2=] tanks, mechanical problems were quite common and few were built as they appeared in the last year of the war.



* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34 T-34,]] the tank that broke the Nazi armies. It was built in 1940, and its appearance completely shocked the Third Reich, who did not think the Russians could design good tanks. The T-34 was cheap, fast, reliable, tough and very powerful. Its 76mm gun outclassed the 37mm and 50mm guns of early Panzers, whose shots would simply bounce off the T-34's sloped armor. The 1943 upgrade of an 85-millimeter gun allowed them to deal with upgunned Panzer IV variants, Panthers and Tigers. Although not the first tank ever to have sloping armor, it was the first to use it so well in its design that it became an obvious factor to its battlefield survivability, thus prompting the Germans to come up with what eventually was the Panther. Consequently, sloped armor became a standard feature on pretty much every tank post-WW2.

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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34 T-34,]] the tank that broke the Nazi armies. It was built in 1940, and its appearance completely shocked the Third Reich, who did not think the Russians could design good tanks. The T-34 was cheap, fast, reliable, tough and very powerful. Its 76mm gun outclassed the 37mm and 50mm guns of early Panzers, whose shots would simply bounce off the T-34's sloped armor. The 1943 upgrade of an 85-millimeter gun allowed them to deal with upgunned Panzer IV variants, Panthers and Tigers. Although not the first tank ever to have sloping armor, it was the first to use it so well in its design that it became an obvious factor to its battlefield survivability, thus prompting the Germans to come up with what eventually was the Panther. Consequently, sloped armor became a standard feature on pretty much every tank post-WW2.post-[=WW2=].



** The Matilda II has this distinction: it is the only British tank of WW2 that was in continual front-line service from September 1939 to August 1945.

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** The Matilda II has this distinction: it is the only British tank of WW2 [=WW2=] that was in continual front-line service from September 1939 to August 1945.
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