History Main / TalkingTheMonsterToDeath

29th Nov '16 12:21:15 AM Morgenthaler
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** Also, in "Silence in the Library" the Tenth Doctor [[spoiler: makes the unstoppable microscopic swarm-species Vashta Nerada back off using this technique - "I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe. [[BadAss Look me up.]]". .]]

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** Also, in "Silence in the Library" the Tenth Doctor [[spoiler: makes the unstoppable microscopic swarm-species Vashta Nerada back off using this technique - "I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe. [[BadAss Look me up.]]".". .]]
23rd Nov '16 12:49:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* Possible in a roundabout manner in ''IndianaJonesAndTheFateOfAtlantis'': [[spoiler: by exploiting Ubermann's lust for power so that he uses the ascension machine on himself]].

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* Possible in a roundabout manner in ''IndianaJonesAndTheFateOfAtlantis'': ''VideoGame/IndianaJonesAndTheFateOfAtlantis'': [[spoiler: by exploiting Ubermann's lust for power so that he uses the ascension machine on himself]].
10th Nov '16 5:31:20 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Literature/TheHobbit'', Gandalf achieves a variant of this by keeping the trolls who had taken Thorin and his companions prisoner talking until the sun came up (turning the trolls to stone). Bilbo attempts this to defuse the tension between the elves and men and the dwarves. It doesn't turn out so well. Also, in a milder example, Bilbo learns Smaug's weakness and avoids being caught and eatten by flattering and speaking cleverly with the dragon.
* The ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene Golden Age]]'' series by JohnCWright has this as a property of the setting--AIs are all [[ThreeLawsCompliant inherently ethical]], and if you can convince them their very existence is making the universe worse [[LogicBomb they'll shut down]]. Similarly, the robots of Creator/IsaacAsimov can be coerced into shutting down, the method of which depends on how advanced they are. The early robots in 'I, Robot' could be shut down simply by giving them a decision whose end results, including those caused by inaction, would result in some sort of harm to humans (mental included), a violation of the first law of robotics. Later robots were programmed to choose the lesser harm and could avoid destruction this way, though a sufficiently advanced roboticist could still cause their destruction through a very deliberate and specific conversation. Lastly, (most) robots of all time periods could theoretically be ordered directly to destroy themselves, as the 2nd law, which dictates that robots must obey the commands of humans, supersedes the 3rd, which dictates that robots must enforce self-preservation. However, the robot would need to understand the reasons for its destruction as the difference between the two laws is not terribly considerable.\\

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* In ''Literature/TheHobbit'', Gandalf achieves a variant of this by keeping the trolls who had taken Thorin and his companions prisoner talking until the sun came up (turning the trolls to stone). Bilbo attempts this to defuse the tension between the elves and men and the dwarves. It doesn't turn out so well. Also, in a milder example, Bilbo learns Smaug's weakness and avoids being caught and eatten eaten by flattering and speaking cleverly with the dragon.
* The ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene Golden Age]]'' series by JohnCWright Creator/JohnCWright has this as a property of the setting--AIs are all [[ThreeLawsCompliant inherently ethical]], and if you can convince them their very existence is making the universe worse [[LogicBomb they'll shut down]]. Similarly, the robots of Creator/IsaacAsimov can be coerced into shutting down, the method of which depends on how advanced they are. The early robots in 'I, Robot' could be shut down simply by giving them a decision whose end results, including those caused by inaction, would result in some sort of harm to humans (mental included), a violation of the first law of robotics. Later robots were programmed to choose the lesser harm and could avoid destruction this way, though a sufficiently advanced roboticist could still cause their destruction through a very deliberate and specific conversation. Lastly, (most) robots of all time periods could theoretically be ordered directly to destroy themselves, as the 2nd law, which dictates that robots must obey the commands of humans, supersedes the 3rd, which dictates that robots must enforce self-preservation. However, the robot would need to understand the reasons for its destruction as the difference between the two laws is not terribly considerable.\\
5th Nov '16 11:17:08 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* The ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series is famous for this. In almost every game you can talk the BigBad down by just telling him how stupid his plan is.

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* The ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series is famous for this. In almost every game you can talk the BigBad down by just telling him how stupid flawed his plan is.



-->'''Chosen One:''' Can't we talk this over?\\

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-->'''Chosen --->'''Chosen One:''' Can't we talk this over?\\
14th Sep '16 12:00:19 PM Theriocephalus
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** Still played straight in Britain, but with a twist: Because the rules of the British Parliament say that an MP must make points germane to the topic, the usual US tactic of rambling on about anything (derisively referred to by British parliamentarians as "reading the phone book") is not available. The record for managing to spin reflections on a single topic is eleven hours.

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** Still played straight in Britain, but with a twist: Because because the rules of the British Parliament say that an MP must make points germane to the topic, the usual US tactic of rambling on about anything (derisively referred to by British parliamentarians as "reading the phone book") is not available. The record for managing to spin reflections on a single topic is eleven hours.



* Zhuge Liang has a knack for this. He once challenged Wang Lang to a battle of words, and when Zhuge finished verbally lobotomizing the reasons for Wei's political moves, Wang Lang DIED. Same thing happened with Cao Zhen, but with a LETTER. In the exact words, "Cao Zhen became furious, coughed, and spat blood..." If only Zhuge Liang could have a little chat with all his enemies...

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* Zhuge Liang has Liang, a legendary Chinese strategist who lived in the Three Kingdoms era, had a knack for this. He In an event recorded in ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', he once challenged an enemy general named Wang Lang to a battle of words, and when Zhuge finished verbally lobotomizing the reasons for Wei's political moves, Wang Lang DIED. Same thing happened with Cao Zhen, but with a LETTER. In the exact words, "Cao Zhen became furious, coughed, and spat blood..." If if only Zhuge Liang could have had a little chat with all his enemies...
28th Aug '16 8:35:06 PM BattleMaster
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* The ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' spell Power Word: Kill. The spell is just a single word that will automatically kill the target if their current hit point level is low enough.
26th Aug '16 9:11:15 PM StrixObscuro
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* In ''[[ComicBook/TheSandman The Thessaliad]]'', Thessaly talks her way past a Sphinx and an axe-murderer, distracting the former long enough to escape on a train and distracting the latter long enough to cast a shrinking spell on him and then cleave his head in two.

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* In ''[[ComicBook/TheSandman The Thessaliad]]'', ''ComicBook/TheThessaliad'', Thessaly talks her way past a Sphinx and an axe-murderer, distracting the former long enough to escape on a train and distracting the latter long enough to cast a shrinking spell on him and then cleave his head in two.
20th Aug '16 4:17:28 PM 100pointonepercent
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* The "boss battle" of Chapter 1 of ''Strawberry Jam'' involves [[PlayerCharacter Jam]] trying to convince the [[WellIntentionedExtremist King]] into [[spoiler:giving up his goal to make everyone work in his caramel factory]].
15th Aug '16 1:21:00 AM Orbiting
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->"Has anyone tried talking to him? Violence may be the best answer, but it's not the only answer!"

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->"Has ->''"Has anyone tried talking to him? Violence may be the best answer, but it's not the only answer!"answer!"''
5th Aug '16 5:52:32 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' (from the makers of the Planescape game above), the BigBad, the Master, could be beaten like this. The Master wants to forcibly turn every human into a MasterRace of Super Mutants, but by talking to several scientific experts on the subject around the wasteland, the Vault Dweller can learn that the Super Mutants are in fact all sterile, and can to pick up a holodisk on Super Mutant anatomy containing this information as evidence. All of this unlocks a dialogue choice in the final confrontation with the Master, where the Dweller can confront him with the fact his plan is doomed to failure because of the Super Mutants' inability to reproduce and present the evidence to him. The Master [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone despairs at what he has done]] when he learns that the evidence checks out and all he did where for naught, and commits suicide and initiates his base's self-destruct mechanism.

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** In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' (from the makers of the Planescape game above), the BigBad, the Master, could be beaten like this. The Master wants to is at his core a WellIntentionedExtremist who believes he can save mankind by forcibly turn every human into a MasterRace of Super Mutants, but by talking to several scientific experts on the subject around the wasteland, the Vault Dweller can learn that the Super Mutants are in fact all sterile, and can to pick up a holodisk on Super Mutant anatomy containing this information as evidence. All of this unlocks a dialogue choice in the final confrontation with the Master, where the Dweller can confront him with the fact his plan is doomed to failure because of the Super Mutants' inability to reproduce and present the evidence to him. The Master [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone despairs at what he has done]] when he learns that the evidence checks out and all he did where for naught, and commits suicide and initiates his base's self-destruct mechanism.
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