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19th Apr '17 4:34:19 PM jtierney50
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* In ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', Alexander takes the third option when Burr refuses to promise to keep his silence about Alexander's affair with Maria Reynolds. Instead of letting Burr hold it over him or letting himself fall to the treason accusations, Alexander instead decides to publically announce the affair, thus allowing himself to explain himself on his own terms. It ... doesn't go well.
17th Apr '17 12:07:58 PM Madrugada
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* In an Creator/EddieIzzard routine people is asked if they would like "Cake or death?" Everyone responds "Cake" and eventually the cake runs out. To which the next person replies "So my choices are... or death?? I'll take the chicken."
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*** Or it's completely ''empty''. Half empty of water and half empty of air.



** Who's the jerk that drank half my water!?
** Played with in a classic ''ComicStrip/TheFarSide'' cartoon. The first two people say "half empty" and "half full" respectively, a third goes back and forth between the two before forgetting the question, while a fourth looks at the glass and goes, "HEY! I ordered a cheeseburger!"
*** In the same vein: [[VideoGame/JurassicParkTheGame "Hey, I ordered a beer!"]]



*** Or is it half a glass of air?
** Drink the water and ''take the glass with you''.
** Completely empty! (burp)

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*** Or is it half a glass of air?
** Drink the water and ''take the glass with you''.
** Completely empty! (burp)
water. Now it's empty.



** It's 50% water, 50% air.
*** "Dear optimist, pessimist and realist, while you were arguing about the water in the glass, I drank it." - The opportunist
*** [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1426 "While you were discussing it, I slept with your moms."]]
** Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'s "What If?" section had a post about this. [[http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/ What if the glass is LITERALLY half empty?]]
*** "The lesson: If the optimist says the glass is half full, and the pessimist says the glass is half empty, the physicist ducks."
** The surrealist says the glass is a giraffe wearing a necktie
** The optimist says, the glass is half-full. The pessimist says the glass is half-empty. The realist says "Yep. That sure is a glass alright." The idealist says one day, cold fusion from the glass will provide unlimited energy and end wars. The capitalist says if he bottles the glass and gives it a New Age-y name, he can make a fortune. The communist says the glass belongs to everyone in equal measure. The sexist says the glass isn't going to fill itself, honey-bun. The nihilist says the glass does not exist and neither does he. The opportunist says he knows there's a T-shirt in here somewhere. (This is a famous T-shirt).
** The liar says the glass is all the way full.
* In an Creator/EddieIzzard routine people is asked if they would like "Cake or death?" Everyone responds "Cake" and eventually the cake runs out. To which the next person replies "So my choices are... or death?? I'll take the chicken."

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** It's 50% water, 50% air.
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"Dear optimist, pessimist and realist, while you were arguing about the water in the glass, I drank it." - The opportunist
*** [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1426 "While you were discussing it, I slept with your moms."]]
** Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'s "What If?" section had a post about this. [[http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/ What if the glass is LITERALLY half empty?]]
*** "The lesson: If the optimist says the glass is half full, and the pessimist says the glass is half empty, the physicist ducks."
** The surrealist says the glass is a giraffe wearing a necktie
** The optimist says, the glass is half-full. The pessimist says the glass is half-empty. The realist says "Yep. That sure is a glass alright." The idealist says one day, cold fusion from the glass will provide unlimited energy and end wars. The capitalist says if he bottles the glass and gives it a New Age-y name, he can make a fortune. The communist says the glass belongs to everyone in equal measure. The sexist says the glass isn't going to fill itself, honey-bun. The nihilist says the glass does not exist and neither does he. The opportunist says he knows there's a T-shirt in here somewhere. (This is a famous T-shirt).
** The liar says the glass is all the way full.
* In an Creator/EddieIzzard routine people is asked if they would like "Cake or death?" Everyone responds "Cake" and eventually the cake runs out. To which the next person replies "So my choices are... or death?? I'll take the chicken."
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11th Mar '17 4:04:56 PM nombretomado
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* When the titular character in ''Theatre/Giselle'' is forced to choose between [[spoiler: dancing Albrecht to death]] or [[spoiler: definitely dying]] by [[spoiler: Myrtha the Queen of the Willis]], her decision is... [[spoiler: dancing slowly enough for Albrecht to keep up and reviving him when he's exhausted and near death. That way, Albrecht survives and Giselle manages to free herself from the willis, passing on in peace.]]

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* When the titular character in ''Theatre/Giselle'' ''{{Theatre/Giselle}}'' is forced to choose between [[spoiler: dancing Albrecht to death]] or [[spoiler: definitely dying]] by [[spoiler: Myrtha the Queen of the Willis]], her decision is... [[spoiler: dancing slowly enough for Albrecht to keep up and reviving him when he's exhausted and near death. That way, Albrecht survives and Giselle manages to free herself from the willis, passing on in peace.]]
11th Mar '17 4:04:44 PM nombretomado
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* ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' is an interesting example. Hermia has to decide between marrying Demetrius or being put to death, with the "third option" of becoming a nun. She takes a ''fourth'' option, running off with Lysander to get away from the laws of Athens.

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* ''AMidsummerNightsDream'' ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream'' is an interesting example. Hermia has to decide between marrying Demetrius or being put to death, with the "third option" of becoming a nun. She takes a ''fourth'' option, running off with Lysander to get away from the laws of Athens.
27th Feb '17 5:46:17 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* When the titular character in ''Theatre/Giselle'' is forced to choose between [[spoiler: dancing Albrecht to death]] or [[spoiler: definitely dying]] by [[spoiler: Myrtha the Queen of the Willis]], her decision is... [[spoiler: dancing slowly enough for Albrecht to keep up and reviving him when he's exhausted and near death. That way, Albrecht survives and Giselle manages to free herself from the willis, passing on in peace.]]



* [[spoiler: Sakura Oogami]] from ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' took one. [[spoiler: It's eventually revealed at the end of case 4's trial that the reason Monobear was able to persuade Sakura to be TheMole was because Monobear was holding the Oogami dojo hostage. Sakura either had to kill someone and thus lose her moral integrity, which would emotionally destroy her (and cause her to be ''bloodily executed'' if she can't get away with it), or lose her family's beloved dojo which is the other important thing in her life... And what does she do? [[HeroicSuicide She kills herself]], which simultaneously satisfies the dojo-saving requirement of killing someone (''her own person'') while preserving Sakura's moral integrity by not actually killing any of the others.]]

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* [[spoiler: Sakura Oogami]] from ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' took one. [[spoiler: It's eventually revealed at the end of case 4's trial that the reason Monobear was able to persuade Sakura to be TheMole was because Monobear was holding the Oogami dojo hostage. Sakura either had to kill someone and thus lose her moral integrity, which would emotionally destroy her (and cause her to be ''bloodily executed'' if she can't get away with it), or lose her family's beloved dojo dojo, which is the other important thing in her life... And what does she do? [[HeroicSuicide She kills herself]], which simultaneously satisfies the dojo-saving requirement of killing someone (''her own person'') while preserving Sakura's moral integrity by not actually killing any of the others.]]
25th Feb '17 4:07:11 PM nombretomado
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* "Weapon of Choice" by FatboySlim.

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* "Weapon of Choice" by FatboySlim.Music/FatboySlim.
25th Feb '17 3:50:24 PM nombretomado
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* In an {{EddieIzzard}} routine people is asked if they would like "Cake or death?" Everyone responds "Cake" and eventually the cake runs out. To which the next person replies "So my choices are... or death?? I'll take the chicken."

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* In an {{EddieIzzard}} Creator/EddieIzzard routine people is asked if they would like "Cake or death?" Everyone responds "Cake" and eventually the cake runs out. To which the next person replies "So my choices are... or death?? I'll take the chicken."
22nd Feb '17 10:21:05 AM petersohn
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* In its [[http://www.xkcd.com/566/ ten year anniversary of The Matrix comic]], ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' manages to screw the red and blue pills and take the third option.

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* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'':
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In its the [[http://www.xkcd.com/566/ ten year anniversary of The Matrix comic]], ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' Neo manages to screw the red and blue pills and take the third option.


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** In [[https://www.xkcd.com/1801/ Decision Paralysis]], the AltText mentions a third option: not to take a decision.
31st Jan '17 2:13:48 PM Larkmarn
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31st Jan '17 2:11:32 PM Larkmarn
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->''"We live in a three dimensional space at minimum (SIX directional). Could you please pay attention to this fundamental fact of life already, and stop thinking in bloody binary? IF you are thinking in Binary, THEN you may be causing problems, OR you have found the correct solution AND may have not actually thought NOR learned anything at all, ELSE you may not have been hit by the consequences yet. IF. THEN. AND. OR. NOR. ELSE. Those six little words, plus concepts like QUERY, BECAUSE, and UNCERTAIN, are the fundamentals of actually thinking whilst running the English Programming Language for the Human Operating System. Thank you."''
-->-- '''A Random Green Oni operating under the pseudonym of Charles for this Trope'''

If an individual faces an agonizing decision where [[MortonsFork the apparent two choices are terrible]], such as a FriendOrIdolDecision or a SadisticChoice, then the individual will attempt to choose the lesser evil, or else that individual has probably failed their hero test.

If the individual is bamboozled by the shiny Morton's Fork, then they will also likely fail their hero test, or else the individual may get lucky and one of the two branches of Morton's Fork will actually be the Good End in disguise.

If the individual then responds with, "I don't like those choices; I'm taking a third option!" then the third option is probably something completely unorthodox and or seemingly suicidal. Yet this typically may turn out to be the best choice after all, or at the very least, it hopefully turns out to be better than what the consequences of the other two options were. Unfortunately, everybody is a critic after the fact, and will immediately point out several dozen things that the the individual on the scene should have done better, which begs the question: where are all of these bright ideas from these bright individuals when they are actually needed and or wanted?

In general, a Third Option, just like the First Option and the Second Option, usually has [[RuleOfThree three basic requirements]] to seem plausible after the fact: time, resources, and knowledge. A Third Option is useless if you don't have time to implement it, don't have (usable) resources/power, or don't have knowledge of it. Depending on how well that rule is followed, the solution will usually either be [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome incredibly awesome]] or [[AssPull incredibly stupid]]. Deciding which examples are which is an exercise left to the reader, although {{Foreshadowing}} possible answers can help win them over.

In terms of personality, the Third Personality can be coined as the "Green Oni." The Green Oni may or may not exhibit some combination of traits from [[RedOniBlueOni Red Oni and Blue Oni]]. For example, Alice can be the loud, extroverted, and [[BookDumb Book Dumb]] Red Oni to Bob's silent, introverted, and [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable Genius]] Blue Oni. They often argue a lot, such as the objective of the mission, political alignments, or just where to go out for dinner in general. In order for their relationship to work, they often go to Charles to resolve their problems, who is ambiverted and socially accepted everywhere, and has a degree in engineering from {{Oxbridge}}.

Or Charles could just be completely and utterly wacko and of no help to anyone at all. Or Charles could be comatose, but Alice and Bob will talk to him anyway, or possibly to the potted plant, simply because they aren't talking to each other right now. Or Charles could be a socially unnacceptable petty tyrant that refuses to listen to anybody else. Or Charles could be just plain not interested in getting involved because Alice and Bob are always knocking on his door demanding that he solves their problems without sitting down and actually thinking of option three, four, five, six, etcetera, for themselves--and he doesn't even remember giving them permission to do so in the first place. It's even possible that Charles could be the subordinate, child, or other powerless individual related to Alice and Bob, and he has to put up with the clear raging insanity of Alice and Bob and all the other letters of the alphabet whilst Alice and Bob blithely refuse to listen to Charles saying "Option Three. 'Nuff Said. Every Single Time," through accident of birth. God help Charles if the latter is the case, because no one else will.

Green Oni characters are simply those those that do not fit into neatly into the boxes of Red Oni or Blue Oni, and they may not like being called Magenta, because that would be a Secondary, lesser colour under the RGB Primary colour system--or Purple, as that is at best a Tertiary colour. The Green Oni may be rare, and typically not well liked by the more common Red Oni and/or Blue Oni, unless they are somehow useful, in which case the Red and Blue Onis will likely viciously abuse and blatantly use the Green Oni whilst under the mistaken impression that they are doing the Green Oni a favour. Those with Autism-spectrum disorders may be a real-life example of the Green Oni Trope.

This can be the hidden solution to a SecretTestOfCharacter. It's also one way to resolve a DebateAndSwitch and the only one of CuttingTheKnot. If done poorly, it may fall victim to the GoldenMeanFallacy. Sometimes it's triggered by HeadsTailsEdge. When the options are different sides in a conflict, taking a third option may lead to becoming OmnicidalNeutral. Or the third option can be just plain random because the scriptwriters wanted to get some cheap and easy laughs from the audience.

In most PowerTrio scenarios, when TheSpock [Mr. Straw Logic if on a bad day] advocates one course of action and TheMcCoy [The Doctor: An Acceptable Target] insists upon the other, TheKirk [The Destined Hero, That Lucky Bastard, The Gary Stu, Mr. Always Right In The End] will be particularly fond of using this method as a solution to the problem of the week. This is also the best way to deal with a XanatosGambit. A true MagnificentBastard will have [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow anticipated that]], though.

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->''"We live in a three dimensional space at minimum (SIX directional). Could you please pay attention Changed line(s) 6,17 (click to this fundamental fact of life already, and stop thinking in bloody binary? IF you are thinking in Binary, THEN you may be causing problems, OR you have found the correct solution AND may have not actually thought NOR learned anything at all, ELSE you may not have been hit by the consequences yet. IF. THEN. AND. OR. NOR. ELSE. Those six little words, plus concepts like QUERY, BECAUSE, and UNCERTAIN, are the fundamentals of actually thinking whilst running the English Programming Language for the Human Operating System. Thank you."''
-->-- '''A Random Green Oni operating under the pseudonym of Charles for this Trope'''

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In general, a Third Option, just like the First Option and the Second Option, usually has [[RuleOfThree three basic requirements]] needed to seem plausible after the fact: plausible: time, resources, and knowledge. A Third Option is useless if you don't have time to implement it, don't have (usable) resources/power, or don't have knowledge of it. Depending on how well that rule is followed, the solution will usually either be [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome incredibly awesome]] or [[AssPull incredibly stupid]]. stupid.]] Deciding which examples are which is an exercise left to the reader, although {{Foreshadowing}} possible answers can help win them over.

In terms of personality, the Third Personality can be coined as the "Green Oni." The Green Oni may or may not exhibit some combination of traits from [[RedOniBlueOni Red Oni and Blue Oni]]. For example, Alice can be the loud, extroverted, and [[BookDumb Book Dumb]] Red Oni to Bob's silent, introverted, and [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable Genius]] Blue Oni. They often argue a lot, such as the objective of the mission, political alignments, or just where to go out for dinner in general. In order for their relationship to work, they often go to Charles to resolve their problems, who is ambiverted and socially accepted everywhere, and has a degree in engineering from {{Oxbridge}}.

Or Charles could just be completely and utterly wacko and of no help to anyone at all. Or Charles could be comatose, but Alice and Bob will talk to him anyway, or possibly to the potted plant, simply because they aren't talking to each other right now. Or Charles could be a socially unnacceptable petty tyrant that refuses to listen to anybody else. Or Charles could be just plain not interested in getting involved because Alice and Bob are always knocking on his door demanding that he solves their problems without sitting down and actually thinking of option three, four, five, six, etcetera, for themselves--and he doesn't even remember giving them permission to do so in the first place. It's even possible that Charles could be the subordinate, child, or other powerless individual related to Alice and Bob, and he has to put up with the clear raging insanity of Alice and Bob and all the other letters of the alphabet whilst Alice and Bob blithely refuse to listen to Charles saying "Option Three. 'Nuff Said. Every Single Time," through accident of birth. God help Charles if the latter is the case, because no one else will.

Green Oni characters are simply those those that do not fit into neatly into the boxes of Red Oni or Blue Oni, and they may not like being called Magenta, because that would be a Secondary, lesser colour under the RGB Primary colour system--or Purple, as that is at best a Tertiary colour. The Green Oni may be rare, and typically not well liked by the more common Red Oni and/or Blue Oni, unless they are somehow useful, in which case the Red and Blue Onis will likely viciously abuse and blatantly use the Green Oni whilst under the mistaken impression that they are doing the Green Oni a favour. Those with Autism-spectrum disorders may be a real-life example of the Green Oni Trope.

This can be the hidden solution to a SecretTestOfCharacter. It's also one way to resolve a DebateAndSwitch and the only one of CuttingTheKnot. If done poorly, it may fall victim to the GoldenMeanFallacy. Sometimes it's triggered by HeadsTailsEdge. When the options are different sides in a conflict, taking a third option may lead to becoming OmnicidalNeutral. Or the third option can be just plain random because the scriptwriters wanted to get some cheap and easy laughs from the audience.

OmnicidalNeutral.

In most PowerTrio scenarios, when TheSpock [Mr. Straw Logic if on a bad day] advocates one course of action and TheMcCoy [The Doctor: An Acceptable Target] insists upon the other, TheKirk [The Destined Hero, That Lucky Bastard, The Gary Stu, Mr. Always Right In The End] will be particularly fond of using this method as a solution to the problem of the week. This is also the best way to deal with a XanatosGambit. A true MagnificentBastard will have [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow anticipated that]], though.
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