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16th Feb '18 2:21:13 AM shadowmanwkp
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* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Battletech}}'' universe, Clan Nova Cat decided to fight on the side of the Second Star League, since to them the entire point of the Clan Invasion was to rebuild the Star League in the first place. This was generally seen as treasonous by the other Clans, which told them in something called a Trial of Abjuration to get out of Clan space or be destroyed. This left them with no particularly good options: they could either effectively refuse the Abjuration, which would get it upgraded to a Trial of Annihilation (which is exactly what it sounds lik]) or they could go to the Inner Sphere and conquer a new homeland, where they would get absolutely destroyed by the Second Star League they had just effectively joined. The Draconis Combine actually offered them a third option in taking over the Irece Prefecture (and thus becoming an effective buffer state against the Clans), but just accepting this would be against Clan honor and Clan Nova Cat would lose all of its face and suffer internal revolt. The Nova Cats came up with a ''fourth'' option by goading the Combine into a series of Trials of Absorption that the Nova Cats rigged to ''lose''.

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* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Battletech}}'' universe, Clan Nova Cat decided to fight on the side of the Second Star League, since to them the entire point of the Clan Invasion was to rebuild the Star League in the first place. This was generally seen as treasonous by the other Clans, which told them in something called a Trial of Abjuration to get out of Clan space or be destroyed. This left them with no particularly good options: they could either effectively refuse the Abjuration, which would get it upgraded to a Trial of Annihilation (which is exactly what it sounds lik]) like) or they could go to the Inner Sphere and conquer a new homeland, where they would get absolutely destroyed by the Second Star League they had just effectively joined. The Draconis Combine actually offered them a third option in taking over the Irece Prefecture (and thus becoming an effective buffer state against the Clans), but just accepting this would be against Clan honor and Clan Nova Cat would lose all of its face and suffer internal revolt. The Nova Cats came up with a ''fourth'' option by goading the Combine into a series of Trials of Absorption that the Nova Cats rigged to ''lose''.



** How this rules-lawyering still managed to be honorable as far as the Clans were concerned can be explained by the explanation given by the Clanner who called the previous coin-flip, IIRC: "What if it had landed on its edge? Think of the ''glory''." Meaning the glory of a win against such odds.

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** How this rules-lawyering still managed to be honorable as far as the Clans were concerned can be explained by the explanation given by the Clanner who called the previous coin-flip, IIRC: coin-flip. His reasoning is along the lines of: "What if it had landed on its edge? Think of the ''glory''." Meaning the glory of a win against such odds.
15th Feb '18 6:37:55 PM TitaniumDragon
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This can be the hidden solution to a SecretTestOfCharacter. It's also one way to resolve a DebateAndSwitch and the only one of CuttingTheKnot. If done poorly, it may fall victim to the GoldenMeanFallacy. Sometimes it's triggered by HeadsTailsEdge. When the options are different sides in a conflict, taking a third option may lead to becoming OmnicidalNeutral.

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This can be the hidden solution to a SecretTestOfCharacter. It's also one way to resolve a DebateAndSwitch and the only one or of CuttingTheKnot.turning a MortonsFork to your advantage. CuttingTheKnot is almost always an example. If done poorly, it may fall victim to the GoldenMeanFallacy. Sometimes it's triggered by HeadsTailsEdge. When the options are different sides in a conflict, taking a third option may lead to becoming OmnicidalNeutral.
15th Feb '18 3:54:19 PM Fireblood
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* In ''WebVideo/JourneyQuest'', sir Glorian does this all the time. In the Temple of All Dooms (technically the Temple of Some Dooms, or as the Orcs call it, the Temple of Select Dooms), there's the classic puzzle with two gargoyles guard two doors. One can only speak the truth, the other can only lie. One of the doors is the correct way, the other leads to certain death. The normal solution to this dilemma is to ask the right questions and think before making a decision... Unless you're an ObliviouslyEvil BloodKnight with a love for fighting, in which case the solution is to ''kill one of the gargoyles, throw the other down one of the halls and if he survives, that must be the right way.

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* In ''WebVideo/JourneyQuest'', sir Sir Glorian does this all the time. In the Temple of All Dooms (technically the Temple of Some Dooms, or as the Orcs call it, the Temple of Select Dooms), there's the classic puzzle with two gargoyles guard two doors. One can only speak the truth, the other can only lie. One of the doors is the correct way, the other leads to certain death. The normal solution to this dilemma is to ask the right questions and think before making a decision... Unless you're an ObliviouslyEvil BloodKnight with a love for fighting, in which case the solution is to ''kill one of the gargoyles, gargoyles'', throw the other down one of the halls and if he survives, that must be the right way.
15th Feb '18 3:53:11 PM Fireblood
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* Video game reviewer WebVideo/{{Caddicarus}} has a system where he "slaughters" a bad game by shooting it, or "salvages" it by beaming it up with a transporter. In his review of ''Destruction Derby 2'', he declares that the game isn't quite bad enough to slaughter since he got some enjoyment out of it, but not quite good enough to salvage. He instead opts to "slauvage" it by beaming it up halfway, then shooting it. A few games since have gotten the "slauvage" too.
* In Journeyquest, sir Glorian does this all the time. In the Temple of All Dooms (technically the Temple of Some Dooms, or as the Orcs call it, the Temple of Select Dooms), there's the classic puzzle with two gargoyles guard two doors. One can only speak the truth, the other can only lie. One of the doors is the correct way, the other leads to certain death. The normal solution to this dilemma is to ask the right questions and think before making a decision... Unless you're an ObliviouslyEvil BloodKnight with a love for fighting, in which case the solution is to ''kill one of the gargoyles, throw the other down one of the halls and if he survives, that must be the right way.

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* Video game reviewer WebVideo/{{Caddicarus}} ''WebVideo/{{Caddicarus}}'' has a system where he "slaughters" a bad game by shooting it, or "salvages" it by beaming it up with a transporter. In his review of ''Destruction Derby 2'', he declares that the game isn't quite bad enough to slaughter since he got some enjoyment out of it, but not quite good enough to salvage. He instead opts to "slauvage" it by beaming it up halfway, then shooting it. A few games since have gotten the "slauvage" too.
* In Journeyquest, ''WebVideo/JourneyQuest'', sir Glorian does this all the time. In the Temple of All Dooms (technically the Temple of Some Dooms, or as the Orcs call it, the Temple of Select Dooms), there's the classic puzzle with two gargoyles guard two doors. One can only speak the truth, the other can only lie. One of the doors is the correct way, the other leads to certain death. The normal solution to this dilemma is to ask the right questions and think before making a decision... Unless you're an ObliviouslyEvil BloodKnight with a love for fighting, in which case the solution is to ''kill one of the gargoyles, throw the other down one of the halls and if he survives, that must be the right way.


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* ''WebAnimation/DarkMatter2525'': {{Discussed}} in ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcfQ1SRQAE&t=0s Worse than the Wolf]]'' in relation to the "choice" between {{Heaven}} and {{Hell}}, which in this context is simply a glorified MortonsFork.
--> The fish would be better off if never caught. The wheat would be better off if never harvested. And the sheep would be better off to escape from the Sheperd and take their chances with the wolf.
2nd Feb '18 2:16:18 AM jormis29
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* One TableTopGames/{{Pathfinder}} module has you breaking into a warehouse in Riddle Port in order to question the the guards. after accomplishing this and taking out all of the guards you can then loot the warehouse and find several potions and weapons. Far more than you could ever carry. Upon leaving the warehouse a group of thugs will threaten to kill you if you don't give them what you stole. You can either fight them off or hand over the goods and they will leave you alone. OR you can simply point out to them that they could just rob the currently unguarded warehouse which would take less effort while being more profitable. They're pretty stupid though so it is actually possible to fail the diplomacy check.

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* One TableTopGames/{{Pathfinder}} ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' module has you breaking into a warehouse in Riddle Port in order to question the the guards. after accomplishing this and taking out all of the guards you can then loot the warehouse and find several potions and weapons. Far more than you could ever carry. Upon leaving the warehouse a group of thugs will threaten to kill you if you don't give them what you stole. You can either fight them off or hand over the goods and they will leave you alone. OR you can simply point out to them that they could just rob the currently unguarded warehouse which would take less effort while being more profitable. They're pretty stupid though so it is actually possible to fail the diplomacy check.
31st Jan '18 2:06:40 PM Milarqui
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** Physicists will say it is a superposition of the "full" and "empty" states.
23rd Dec '17 11:29:48 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->''"There's always a third way, and it's not [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs a combination of the other two ways]]. It's a '''different''' way."''

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->''"There's always a third way, and it's not [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs a combination of the other two ways]].ways. It's a '''different''' way."''
20th Dec '17 6:24:17 PM nombretomado
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* TohoKingdomToons has one in one of their earlier cartoons, where Gabara offers Little Godzilla a potion that could kill him. You have the option of saying "'''YES'''" OR "'''NO'''", but regardless of which choice you pick you ultimately get the 3rd option of "'''He should resist this peddler of peculiar potions @ all costs!'''"

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* TohoKingdomToons ''WebAnimation/TohoKingdomToons'' has one in one of their earlier cartoons, where Gabara offers Little Godzilla a potion that could kill him. You have the option of saying "'''YES'''" OR "'''NO'''", but regardless of which choice you pick you ultimately get the 3rd option of "'''He should resist this peddler of peculiar potions @ all costs!'''"
4th Dec '17 5:15:33 PM E1craZ4life
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->''"There's always a third way, and it's not a combination of the other two ways. It's a '''different''' way."''

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->''"There's always a third way, and it's not [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs a combination of the other two ways.ways]]. It's a '''different''' way."''
12th Nov '17 4:10:48 PM ladyofthelibrary
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** A much earlier episode has the parents of Odyssey banning Halloween because it's a Pagan holiday. Two kids are skeptical and go to Whit for help. After confirming that the adults are correct, the kids briefly are torn between going along with the non-Christian crowd but disappointing their parents or missing out on the fun parts of Halloween but ultimately they get the idea to host a Bible character dress up party in celebration of All Saints' Day at Whit's End, which Whit personally caters meaning that the menu features items from Whit's End including ice cream.
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