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7th Nov '17 11:43:50 AM Gamermaster
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* In any other setting, ''all'' of the characters (except Kasumi Tendo and Akari Unryu, both of whom are practically background characters) of ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' would be horrible monsters who might occasionally do good deeds (some more then others), but are still horrific {{JerkAss}}es whose sole good quality is they constantly tear into each other instead of teaming up and wreaking havoc on the countryside. As the story focuses specifically on them, however, they can come off as amusing, sympathetic, even tragic.

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* In any other setting, ''all'' of the characters (except Kasumi Tendo and Akari Unryu, both of whom are practically background characters) of ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' would be horrible monsters who might occasionally do good deeds (some more then others), but are still horrific {{JerkAss}}es {{Jerkass}}es whose sole good quality is they constantly tear into each other instead of teaming up and wreaking havoc on the countryside. As the story focuses specifically on them, however, they can come off as amusing, sympathetic, even tragic.
11th Oct '17 12:18:37 PM RedScharlach
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* It could be argued that ''LightNovel/{{Katanagatari}}'' is a traditional HighFantasy Chambara sword fights in eighteenth century Japan, but the SympatheticPOV is from the villains: Itís about the story of the {{Mooks}} who look cool for just a moment and is killed immediately by the Antihero. Togame is the Dragon In Chief who thanks she was killed before getting a true chance to become the BigBad. Shichika is TheDragon. The BigBad was Shikizaki Kiki, the guy who organized all the plot. Princess Hitei is the {{Antihero}} and Emonzaemon is TheLancer. The EvilPlan was stopped. Japanís true history was restored, and YouCannotChangeTheFuture.

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* It could be argued that ''LightNovel/{{Katanagatari}}'' is a traditional HighFantasy Chambara sword fights in eighteenth century Japan, but the SympatheticPOV is from the villains: Itís about the story of the {{Mooks}} who look cool for just a moment and is are killed immediately by the Antihero. Togame is the Dragon In Chief who thanks is thankful she was killed before getting a true chance to become the BigBad. Shichika is TheDragon. The BigBad was Shikizaki Kiki, the guy who organized all the plot. Princess Hitei is the {{Antihero}} and Emonzaemon is TheLancer. The EvilPlan was stopped. Japanís true history was restored, and YouCannotChangeTheFuture.



* ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'' originally had scenes that depicted the GreatWhiteHunter beating up some drunken perverts harassing a waitress, and the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive "Corrupt" Corporate Executive]] describing how much money their company has lost thanks to that island and it's dinosaurs. Both were removed to make the audience [[DesignatedVillain see them as villains]], with [[RootingForTheEmpire very little success]].

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* ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'' originally had scenes that depicted the GreatWhiteHunter beating up some drunken perverts harassing a waitress, and the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive "Corrupt" Corporate Executive]] describing how much money their company has lost thanks to that island and it's its dinosaurs. Both were removed to make the audience [[DesignatedVillain see them as villains]], with [[RootingForTheEmpire very little success]].



* ''Literature/ForLoveOfEvil'', the sixth book of the RotatingProtagonist series Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality, gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler:whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.

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* ''Literature/ForLoveOfEvil'', the sixth book of the RotatingProtagonist series Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality, gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler:whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.



* One of the four playable characters in ''VideoGame/DreamfallTheLongestJourney'' is Kian Alvane, a faithful soldier and apostle of the Azadi Empire, which up until that point of the game is seen only as TheEmpire. His prescence in the game adds shades of grey to the empire's action, both by making the Empire's motivations seem more human, and by presenting a counterpoint to April Ryan's (one of the game's other protagonists and a rebel fighting the Azadi) seemingly-righteous goals.

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* One of the four playable characters in ''VideoGame/DreamfallTheLongestJourney'' is Kian Alvane, a faithful soldier and apostle of the Azadi Empire, which up until that point of the game is seen only as TheEmpire. His prescence presence in the game adds shades of grey to the empire's Empire's action, both by making the Empire's motivations seem more human, and by presenting a counterpoint to April Ryan's Ryan (one of the game's other protagonists and a rebel fighting the Azadi) and her seemingly-righteous goals.
4th Sep '17 5:54:44 AM cherrychels
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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', all sides' characters are shown sympathetically. Even though the struggle is LaResistance vs. TheEmpire, the Britannian royals, knights, and other soldiers are shown as lovable characters just like the rebels. Take Gino, for instance - a [[{{Keet}} charming, sweet guy]] who fits right in with Lelouch's ordinary high school friends when he transfers to the school - episodes after he was eagerly looking forward to wiping out a million rebels. This serves to promote the series' theme of forgiveness, that all people are just trying to live their lives and find success and happiness the best that they can, and that, as Lelouch says in Stage 4, "Your enemy is not people, but Britannia itself." It's a system like TheEmpire, which leads people like Gino to want to become killers and rewards them for it, that needs to be destroyed, not the individual humans who are parts of it.

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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', all sides' characters are shown sympathetically. Even though the struggle is LaResistance vs. TheEmpire, the Britannian royals, knights, and other soldiers are shown as lovable characters just like the rebels. Take Gino, for instance - -- a [[{{Keet}} charming, sweet guy]] who fits right in with Lelouch's ordinary high school friends when he transfers to the school - -- episodes after he was eagerly looking forward to wiping out a million rebels. This serves to promote the series' theme of forgiveness, that all people are just trying to live their lives and find success and happiness the best that they can, and that, as Lelouch says in Stage 4, "Your enemy is not people, but Britannia itself." It's a system like TheEmpire, which leads people like Gino to want to become killers and rewards them for it, that needs to be destroyed, not the individual humans who are parts of it.



* ''Film/DamselsInDistress'': The Damsels - an arrogant clique trying to shape their university to their way of thinking - would be the villains in most other movies but we get to know them and for all their eccentricity and flaws they are deeply lovable. Likewise the dimwitted jocks of the local fraternities are adorable goofs and characters who would normally be heroes in a university story - the editor of the college paper and a depressed goth girl-come across as judgemental jerks.

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* ''Film/DamselsInDistress'': The Damsels - -- an arrogant clique trying to shape their university to their way of thinking - -- would be the villains in most other movies but we get to know them and for all their eccentricity and flaws they are deeply lovable. Likewise the dimwitted jocks of the local fraternities are adorable goofs and characters who would normally be heroes in a university story - -- the editor of the college paper and a depressed goth girl-come across as judgemental judgmental jerks.



** '''Tyrion''', who mostly comes across as sympathetic because we see him almost entirely from his point of view. It's easy to forget that he's the same guy who [[spoiler: ordered a singer to be murdered and carved up for soup in King's Landing, threatened to rape his nephew to keep his sister from abusing a girl she thought was his whore (though to the reader it is clear he wouldn't do that), murdered the same whore while on his way towards murdering his father, helps his (in his own words) [[TheCaligula "vicious idiot"]] of a nephew remain on the throne even though in reality they don't have any right to it, and let his group of thieving, raping barbarians run wild around King's Landing]].
** '''Jon''', although to a milder extent. The few viewpoints we get on him that aren't from a friend (namely, [[spoiler: Theon]]) and his favorite sister (Arya) describe him as cold and stand-offish.
** '''Jaime''', who spends two books cast as a cold bastard hiding behind golden armor before we get to his [=POV=] right around the time he starts to defrost and realize his errors. Even if after that, he does threaten to [[spoiler: send Edmure Tully -- who's already lost his sister and nephew to the Freys joining the Lannisters -- his unborn child on a trebuchet if he doesn't comply with a truce]], though whether he was bluffing or not to avoid real bloodshed is up for debate. He also counts as a subversion. His initial [=POV=] chapters portray him as the arrogant prick we've come to think of him as, [[spoiler:then his hand is cut off]] leading to a BreakTheHaughty moment. It isn't until after that he becomes sympathetic, largely because he himself starts to wonder how he turned out like this.
** '''Cersei''' is actually something of an aversion; while the audience finally gets a look at [[spoiler: the childhood prophecy that's shaped her entire life through fear]], they also get a look at her utter hostility, such as her silent fury during the marriage of Tommen and Margaery, and her paranoia, assuming anyone who opposes her is working with her enemies. Even in her own POV, she comes across as petty and selfish at best, and outright psychopathic at worst - even as a child of ten she was capable of [[spoiler: arranging the murder of one of her best friends.]]

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** '''Tyrion''', who mostly comes across as sympathetic because we see him almost entirely from his point of view. It's view, are aware of his struggles, and know the times he tries to do the right thing. Partly due to his charisma, humor, and likability, it's easy to forget that he's the same guy who [[spoiler: ordered a singer to be murdered and carved up for soup in King's Landing, threatened to rape his nephew to keep his sister from abusing a girl she thought was his whore (though to the reader reader, it is clear he wouldn't do that), murdered the this same whore while on his way towards murdering his father, helps his (in his own words) [[TheCaligula "vicious idiot"]] of a nephew remain on the throne even though in reality they don't have any right to it, and let his group of thieving, raping barbarians run wild around King's Landing]].
** '''Jon''', although to a milder extent. extent as he is one of the series' heroic characters. He is a moral, caring and compassionate boy but, [[LikeFatherLikeSon like his father]], often comes off as TheStoic -- cold and distant -- to those who don't know him well. The few viewpoints we get on of him that aren't from a friend (namely, (namely [[spoiler: Theon]]) and his favorite sister (Arya) or a family member mostly describe him as cold and stand-offish.
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** '''Jaime''', who spends two books cast as a cold bastard {{JerkAss}} hiding behind golden armor before we get to his [=POV=] right around the time he starts to defrost and realize his errors. Even if after that, he does threaten to [[spoiler: send Edmure Tully -- who's already lost his sister and nephew to the Freys joining the Lannisters -- and his unborn child on a trebuchet if he doesn't comply with a truce]], though whether he was bluffing or not to avoid real bloodshed is up for debate. He also counts as a subversion. His initial [=POV=] chapters portray him as the arrogant prick we've come to think of him as, [[spoiler:then his hand is cut off]] leading to a BreakTheHaughty moment. It isn't until after that he becomes sympathetic, largely because he himself starts to wonder how he turned out like this.
** '''Cersei''' is actually something of an aversion; while the audience finally gets a look at [[spoiler: the childhood prophecy that's which has shaped her entire life through fear]], they we also get a look at her utter hostility, hostility -- such as her silent fury during the marriage of Tommen and Margaery, Margaery and her paranoia, assuming paranoia beliefs that anyone who opposes her is working with her enemies. Even in her own POV, she comes across as petty and selfish at best, and outright psychopathic at worst - even worst. Even as a child of ten ten, she was capable of [[spoiler: arranging the murder of one of her best friends.]]



* The ''Literature/WarriorCats'' ExpandedUniverse book ''The Ultimate Guide'' is narrated in third person, but the [[MetaphoricallyTrue information]] given is noticeably slanted towards whoever's life it's recounting. For example, Ashfur's omits his betrayal of [=ThunderClan=] to Hawkfrost, which nearly killed Firestar (as Ashfur hoped it would) in favor of saying that he "was not a friend of Firestar", and describes him as a "good mentor" when he actively sabotaged Lionblaze's training. However, this could also be the result of FlipFlopOfGod - the different authors do ''not'' agree on his characterization.

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* The ''Literature/WarriorCats'' ExpandedUniverse book ''The Ultimate Guide'' is narrated in third person, but the [[MetaphoricallyTrue information]] given is noticeably slanted towards whoever's life it's recounting. For example, Ashfur's omits his betrayal of [=ThunderClan=] to Hawkfrost, which nearly killed Firestar (as Ashfur hoped it would) in favor of saying that he "was not a friend of Firestar", and describes him as a "good mentor" when he actively sabotaged Lionblaze's training. However, this could also be the result of FlipFlopOfGod - -- the different authors do ''not'' agree on his characterization.
30th Aug '17 5:23:57 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* This is a factor in what makes Tuco (the Ugly) at ''least'' as sympathetic as Blondie (the Good) in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly''. Tuco has done some [[RetiredMonster pretty horrible things]] [[VillainyDiscretionShot off-screen]], but of the three protagonists, he's the one who's given the most on-screen "human" moments and displays the broadest emotional range. Blondie is an enigma who gets a few PetTheDog moments in the last third of the film, and Angel Eyes is a stone-cold killer except for a scene in the director's cut which plays him sympathetically as well.

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* This is a factor in what makes Tuco (the Ugly) at ''least'' as sympathetic as Blondie (the Good) in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly''. Tuco has done some [[RetiredMonster pretty horrible things]] [[VillainyDiscretionShot off-screen]], or is at the very least a thief and [[ReallyGetsAround a whore]] who made up most of his charges to drive up his bounty during the scam, but of the three protagonists, he's the one who's given the most on-screen "human" moments and displays the broadest emotional range. Blondie is an enigma who gets a few PetTheDog moments in the last third of the film, and Angel Eyes is a stone-cold killer except for a scene in the director's cut which plays him sympathetically as well.
21st Aug '17 11:19:23 AM SeptimusHeap
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** There are a lot of books where the Imperial characters who don't jump ship to the New Republic are [[CardCarryingVillain blatantly evil]], but there are also Imperial WorthyOpponent characters who support only the non-evil aspects of the Empire. Some of them, as in ''Literature/DeathStar'', never even go through a HeelFaceTurn because they were never {{Heel}}s in the first place -- and some of ''those'', as seen in ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'', don't even defect and join the New Republic. Eventually [[HandOfThrawn Supreme Commander Pellaeon]] actually [[PeaceConference makes peace]] between the Empire and the New Republic, and they become two interstellar governments with different ruling systems and an uneasy history.

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** There are a lot of books where the Imperial characters who don't jump ship to the New Republic are [[CardCarryingVillain blatantly evil]], but there are also Imperial WorthyOpponent characters who support only the non-evil aspects of the Empire. Some of them, as in ''Literature/DeathStar'', never even go through a HeelFaceTurn because they were never {{Heel}}s in the first place -- and some of ''those'', as seen in ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'', don't even defect and join the New Republic. Eventually [[HandOfThrawn [[Literature/HandOfThrawn Supreme Commander Pellaeon]] actually [[PeaceConference makes peace]] between the Empire and the New Republic, and they become two interstellar governments with different ruling systems and an uneasy history.
3rd Aug '17 12:17:50 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/BeyondTwoSouls'': Done rather cleverly in "The Dinner". For most of the game you can switch between Jodie and Aiden at will to accomplish several objectives, making them a perfect team. In this chapter this interactivity is dropped so you control either Jodie or Aiden in sequence. Subsequently from Jodie's POV Aiden looks an obsessive stalker trying to prevent her from having her own life, while from Aiden's POV Jodie looks like she's intentionally ignoring the soul who's eternally tied to her.

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* ''VideoGame/BeyondTwoSouls'': Done rather cleverly in "The Dinner". For most of the game you can switch between Jodie and Aiden at will to accomplish several objectives, making them a perfect team. In this chapter this interactivity is dropped so you control either Jodie or Aiden in sequence. Subsequently from Jodie's POV Aiden looks an obsessive stalker trying to prevent her from having her own life, while from Aiden's POV Jodie looks like she's intentionally ignoring the soul who's who can't help being eternally tied to her.
3rd Aug '17 10:47:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/BeyondTwoSouls'': Done rather cleverly in "The Dinner". For most of the game you can switch between Jodie and Aiden at will to accomplish several objectives, making them a perfect team. In this chapter this interactivity is dropped so you control either Jodie or Aiden in sequence. Subsequently from Jodie's POV Aiden looks an obsessive stalker trying to prevent her from having her own life, while from Aiden's POV Jodie looks like she's intentionally ignoring the soul who's eternally tied to her.
29th Jul '17 3:17:43 AM johnnye
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Compare VillainEpisode and POVSequel. Contrast with InAnotherMansShoes, OnlyOne, RashomonStyle. InformedWrongness may be an inversion. See also ALighterShadeOfGrey.

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Compare VillainProtagonist, VillainEpisode and POVSequel. Contrast with InAnotherMansShoes, OnlyOne, RashomonStyle. InformedWrongness may be an inversion. See also ALighterShadeOfGrey.



* ''Film/FourLions'' is a black comedy from the POV of five Islamist terrorists who are just young guys who happen to want to blow themselves and other people up. Or at least four of them; [[TokenEvilTeammate the fifth isn't much of a nice guy]].

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* ''Film/FourLions'' is a black comedy from the POV of five Islamist terrorists who terrorists, four of whom are just young guys StupidCrooks who happen to want to blow themselves and other people up. Or at least four of them; [[TokenEvilTeammate the The fifth isn't much of a nice guy]].guy at all]] (albeit [[StupidEvil almost as dumb]]), and is largely responsible for radicalising the others.
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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' has chapters from [[spoiler:Reiner, the Armored Titan's]] POV that show how [[spoiler:he, Annie, Bertolt and Marcel were chosen to be shifters and how they reach the island of Paradis.]] It also depicts [[spoiler:Marley fighting against another nation and choosing the successors of the Armored Titan and the Beast Titan, who will set out to attack the protagonists again.]]
11th Jun '17 9:48:25 PM nombretomado
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* Used to great effect in ''YggdraUnion'' starting in the middle of the seventh chapter, where the game's GreyAndGrayMorality becomes blatant. This is the first point in the game where the important scenes starting off each battlefield are shown from an Imperial perspective, [[spoiler:and happens to be just in time to make the remaining generals' HeroicSacrifice moments considerably more poignant]].

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* Used to great effect in ''YggdraUnion'' ''VideoGame/YggdraUnion'' starting in the middle of the seventh chapter, where the game's GreyAndGrayMorality becomes blatant. This is the first point in the game where the important scenes starting off each battlefield are shown from an Imperial perspective, [[spoiler:and happens to be just in time to make the remaining generals' HeroicSacrifice moments considerably more poignant]].
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