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19th Sep '16 10:25:27 PM PaulA
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* ''For Love of Evil'', the sixth book of the series Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality, which [[POVSequel features different protagonists for each volume]], gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler: whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.

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* ''For Love of Evil'', ''Literature/ForLoveOfEvil'', the sixth book of the RotatingProtagonist series Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality, which [[POVSequel features different protagonists for each volume]], gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler: whom ([[spoiler:whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.
14th Sep '16 8:19:40 PM PaulA
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* ''Ender's Shadow'', the sequel to ''Literature/EndersGame,'' is mostly from the view point of Bean, whose POV is much more sympathetic and more profound. It's Bean who gives the actual final order of the War to detonate the MD device within the last fighter remaining.

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* ''Ender's Shadow'', ''Literature/EndersShadow'', the sequel to ''Literature/EndersGame,'' ''Literature/EndersGame'', is mostly from the view point of Bean, whose POV is much more sympathetic and more profound. It's Bean who gives the actual final order of the War to detonate the MD device within the last fighter remaining.
5th Sep '16 11:49:00 PM Silverblade2
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* [[http://www.funi-pics.com/Watched-a-documentary-on-lions/2880 Wildlife documentaries]].
14th Aug '16 8:03:30 PM oforiousmic
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*** Jaime is the incestuous, child murdering, oath breaking Kingslayer yet when he talks to Catelyn, he is surpirsingly sympathetic. He also shows some sympathy for Brienne when he works out that she was in love with Renly, despite mocking her for it ("We don't get to choose who we love"), tells a lie to prevent her from being gang-raped, and later goes back and gets her out of a beat pit. We also get his story of how became the Kingslayer, [[ZeroApprovalGambit and what a]] [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight story it is.]]

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*** Jaime is the incestuous, child murdering, oath breaking Kingslayer yet when he talks to Catelyn, he is surpirsingly sympathetic. He also shows some sympathy for Brienne when he works out that she was in love with Renly, despite mocking her for it ("We don't get to choose who we love"), tells a lie to prevent her from being gang-raped, and later goes back and gets her out of a beat bear pit. We also get his story of how became the Kingslayer, [[ZeroApprovalGambit and what a]] [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight story it is.]]



* ''Series/BreakingBad''. Series creator Creator/VinceGilligan expressly said his goal with the series was to take Mr. Chips and turn him into Scarface. And yet, despite all the many horrible, horrible things Walt does, a part of you is still rooting for him. As with many of the other examples, it helps that most of Walt's opponents are [[BlackAndGrayMorality a significantly darker shade of gray than Walt is]], though many of them get their moments as well.

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* ''Series/BreakingBad''. Series creator Creator/VinceGilligan expressly said his goal with the series was to take Mr. Chips and [[ProtagonistJourneyToVillain turn him into into]] Scarface. And yet, despite all the many horrible, horrible things Walt does, a part of you is still rooting for him. As with many of the other examples, it helps that most of Walt's opponents are [[BlackAndGrayMorality a significantly darker shade of gray than Walt is]], though many of them get their moments as well.



* One of the earlier episodes of ''WesternAnimation/AeonFlux'' deconstructed this by ''constantly'' switching the sympathetic POV and showing that anyone can look like the hero when the camera's fixed on them and there's epic bacground music. Even if they were just another nameless mook literally 2 seconds before.

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* One of the earlier episodes of ''WesternAnimation/AeonFlux'' deconstructed this by ''constantly'' switching the sympathetic POV and showing that anyone can look like the hero when the camera's fixed on them and there's epic bacground background music. Even if they were just another nameless mook literally 2 seconds before.
9th Aug '16 11:38:56 PM PaulA
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* Steven Brust does this very well in some of his {{Dragaera}} novels. For instance, the leader of LaResistance in the ''Taltos'' series was a servant of one of the heroes of the ''Khaavren Romances'', and each is presented as a minor character in the opposite series. Similarly, through CanonWelding, the human hero Fenario, of an originally-unrelated novel based on Hungarian folklore, turns up as the leader of a somewhat unsympathetically-presented rebellion against TheEmpire in the ''Khaavren Romances'', and ultimately signs a treaty with the hero of that series.

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* Steven Brust does this very well in some of his {{Dragaera}} Literature/{{Dragaera}} novels. For instance, the leader of LaResistance in the ''Taltos'' series was a servant of one of the heroes of the ''Khaavren Romances'', ''Literature/KhaavrenRomances'', and each is presented as a minor character in the opposite series. Similarly, through CanonWelding, the human hero Fenario, of an originally-unrelated novel based on Hungarian folklore, turns up as the leader of a somewhat unsympathetically-presented rebellion against TheEmpire in the ''Khaavren Romances'', and ultimately signs a treaty with the hero of that series.
28th Jul '16 8:04:47 PM PaulA
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* JudyBlume's ''Literature/{{Fudge}}'' novels (''Tales of a Fourth-Grade Nothing'' and its sequels) are written from the perspective of Peter Hatcher, an ordinary pre-teen boy who has to put up with such torments as his goofy kid brother Farley ([[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname better known to all and sundry]], including his parents, as "Fudge") and his SitcomArchNemesis Sheila Tubman. Blume also wrote a book starring Sheila, ''Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great'', around the time ''Fourth-Grade Nothing'' came out.

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* JudyBlume's Creator/JudyBlume's ''Literature/{{Fudge}}'' novels (''Tales of a Fourth-Grade Nothing'' and its sequels) are written from the perspective of Peter Hatcher, an ordinary pre-teen boy who has to put up with such torments as his goofy kid brother Farley ([[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname better known to all and sundry]], including his parents, as "Fudge") and his SitcomArchNemesis Sheila Tubman. Blume also wrote a book starring Sheila, ''Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great'', ''Literature/OtherwiseKnownAsSheilaTheGreat'', around the time ''Fourth-Grade Nothing'' came out.
26th Jun '16 6:24:39 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''For Love of Evil'', the sixth book of the series IncarnationsOfImmortality, which [[POVSequel features different protagonists for each volume]], gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler: whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.

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* ''For Love of Evil'', the sixth book of the series IncarnationsOfImmortality, Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality, which [[POVSequel features different protagonists for each volume]], gets told from the POV of Satan, the antagonist of all the previous books, giving him [[SatanIsGood noble (or at least sympathetic) motives]] for all his actions in the previous novels. Turns out Satan is TheChessmaster who really does want for good to triumph ... he just doesn't want ''God'' ([[spoiler: whom we finally see for the first time in the series in Satan's book ... turns out He's a total narcissist completely absorbed in self-adoration, which is the real reason He hasn't been taking an active part in the series]]) to triumph. One example of something the reader only finds out from following Satan's POV: none of the characters except Satan and JHVH (who is distinct from God, and on friendly terms with Satan) remember the Holocaust, because Satan was appalled by it and ''changed history in order to make it not happen''.



* ''Ender's Shadow'', the sequel to ''EndersGame,'' is mostly from the view point of Bean, whose POV is much more sympathetic and more profound. It's Bean who gives the actual final order of the War to detonate the MD device within the last fighter remaining.

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* ''Ender's Shadow'', the sequel to ''EndersGame,'' ''Literature/EndersGame,'' is mostly from the view point of Bean, whose POV is much more sympathetic and more profound. It's Bean who gives the actual final order of the War to detonate the MD device within the last fighter remaining.
17th Jun '16 11:41:10 AM Eievie
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Compare VillainEpisode and POVSequel. Contrast with InAnotherMansShoes, OnlyOne, TheRashomon. InformedWrongness may be an inversion. See also ALighterShadeOfGrey.

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Compare VillainEpisode and POVSequel. Contrast with InAnotherMansShoes, OnlyOne, TheRashomon.RashomonStyle. InformedWrongness may be an inversion. See also ALighterShadeOfGrey.
13th Jun '16 8:59:41 PM PaulA
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* Creator/JamesFenimoreCooper's ''The Last of the Mohicans'' is an example where this occurs despite the general ProtagonistCenteredMorality. The passages which focus on Magua and the other Hurons make their motives more understandable and show that they have their own tragedies to bear, some of which have nothing to do with the novel's protagonists.

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* Creator/JamesFenimoreCooper's ''The Last of the Mohicans'' ''Literature/TheLastOfTheMohicans'' is an example where this occurs despite the general ProtagonistCenteredMorality. The passages which focus on Magua and the other Hurons make their motives more understandable and show that they have their own tragedies to bear, some of which have nothing to do with the novel's protagonists.
1st Jun '16 3:58:21 PM lavendermintrose
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* The staff and cast of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' openly admits that [[MagnificentBastard Lelouch]] is a NinetiesAntiHero. Ultimately subverted, intentionally or not, in that he often suffers DisproportionateRetribution, and that some of his problems are a result of DiabolusExMachina, especially later on in the series, whereas [[KarmaHoudini the comparable if not worse transgressions of a few other characters]] [[MoralDissonance are never addressed]].

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* The staff In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', all sides' characters are shown sympathetically. Even though the struggle is LaResistance vs. TheEmpire, the Britannian royals, knights, and cast of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' openly admits that [[MagnificentBastard Lelouch]] is a NinetiesAntiHero. Ultimately subverted, intentionally or not, in that he often suffers DisproportionateRetribution, and that some of his problems are a result of DiabolusExMachina, especially later on in the series, whereas [[KarmaHoudini the comparable if not worse transgressions of a few other characters]] [[MoralDissonance soldiers are never addressed]].shown as lovable characters just like the rebels. Take Gino, for instance - a [[{{Keet}} charming, sweet guy]] who fits right in with Lelouch's ordinary high school friends when he transfers to the school - episodes after he was eagerly looking forward to wiping out a million rebels. This serves to promote the series' theme of forgiveness, that all people are just trying to live their lives and find success and happiness the best that they can, and that, as Lelouch says in Stage 4, "Your enemy is not people, but Britannia itself." It's a system like TheEmpire, which leads people like Gino to want to become killers and rewards them for it, that needs to be destroyed, not the individual humans who are parts of it.
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