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12th Jul '17 3:27:22 PM KingLyger
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** In "Crusaders of the Lost Mark," after helping Diamond Tiara make a HeelFaceTurn and discover the true meaning of her special talent (the crown means being a true leader, not a stuck-up RichBitch) and helping Pipsqueak win the student council election at the same time, and seeing the two of them work together to do a lot of good for the school and the other kids, they decide that what they really want to do is [[spoiler: help others learn the meaning of their talents like the did for Diamond Tiara]]. Scootaloo exclaims that [[spoiler: she doesn't care if she never gets her cutie mark so long as she can keep being with her friends and doing things like they did today]], and the other two wholeheartedly agree. [[spoiler: Cue the trio getting their cutie marks all at once]].

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** In "Crusaders of the Lost Mark," after helping the Cutie Mark Crusaders help Diamond Tiara make a HeelFaceTurn and discover the true meaning of her special talent (the crown means being a true leader, not a stuck-up RichBitch) RichBitch), and helping also help Pipsqueak win the student council election at the same time, and seeing time. Seeing the two of them work together to do a lot of good for the school and the other kids, they the Crusaders decide that what they really want to do is [[spoiler: help others learn the meaning of their talents like the did for Diamond Tiara]]. Tiara. Scootaloo exclaims that [[spoiler: she doesn't care if she never gets her cutie mark so long as she can keep being with her friends and doing things like they did today]], today, and the other two wholeheartedly agree. [[spoiler: Cue the trio getting their cutie marks all at once]].once.
26th May '17 4:23:27 PM jtierney50
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* A minor example in ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': for almost as long as she's onstage, Eponine is constantly pining after Marius, but he just doesn't see her. She eventually gives up the chase in "On My Own", saying that "she knows that he is blind", and that while she won't stop loving him, she knows that he'll never love her and admits defeat. A few songs later, in "Little Fall of Rain", she finally has Marius hold her in his arms after she tells him how she feels. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, she's just been shot, and [[DiedInYourArmsTonight is slowly bleeding out]].

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* A minor example in ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': for almost as long as she's onstage, Eponine is constantly pining after Marius, but he just doesn't see her. She eventually gives up the chase in "On My Own", saying that "she knows that he is blind", and that while she won't stop loving him, she knows that he'll never love her and admits defeat. A few songs later, in "Little Fall of Rain", she finally has Marius hold her in his arms after she tells him how she feels. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, she's just been shot, and [[DiedInYourArmsTonight is slowly bleeding out]].out]]]].
26th May '17 4:23:12 PM jtierney50
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* A minor example in ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': for almost as long as she's onstage, Eponine is constantly pining after Marius, but he just doesn't see her. She eventually gives up the chase in "On My Own", saying that "she knows that he is blind", and that while she won't stop loving him, she knows that he'll never love her and admits defeat. A few songs later, in "Little Fall of Rain", she finally has Marius hold her in his arms after she tells him how she feels. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, she's just been shot, and [[DyingInYourArmsTonight is slowly bleeding out]].

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* A minor example in ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': for almost as long as she's onstage, Eponine is constantly pining after Marius, but he just doesn't see her. She eventually gives up the chase in "On My Own", saying that "she knows that he is blind", and that while she won't stop loving him, she knows that he'll never love her and admits defeat. A few songs later, in "Little Fall of Rain", she finally has Marius hold her in his arms after she tells him how she feels. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, she's just been shot, and [[DyingInYourArmsTonight [[DiedInYourArmsTonight is slowly bleeding out]].
26th May '17 4:22:35 PM jtierney50
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* A minor example in ''Theatre/LesMiserables'': for almost as long as she's onstage, Eponine is constantly pining after Marius, but he just doesn't see her. She eventually gives up the chase in "On My Own", saying that "she knows that he is blind", and that while she won't stop loving him, she knows that he'll never love her and admits defeat. A few songs later, in "Little Fall of Rain", she finally has Marius hold her in his arms after she tells him how she feels. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, she's just been shot, and [[DyingInYourArmsTonight is slowly bleeding out]].
** "Prologue" has Valjean try again and again to become an honest man, only to have no one trust him because [[DisproportionateRetribution he's been in jail for 19 years for stealing a loaf of bread]]. He eventually gives up being an honest man and steals the Bishop's silver, only to have the Bishop give him the silver candlesticks in addition to what he stole so that he can sell them and start a new life.
** And again: Valejean spends the entire show running from Javert. In "[[spoiler:Javert's Suicide]]", Valjean promises to turn himself in if Javert will let him take Marius to safety. [[spoiler:Immediately afterwards, however, Javert kills himself, and Valjean is presumably allowed to go free]].
* In ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', the eponymous Hamilton's decisive and bold strokes to establish America's economy are constantly blocked by the Democratic-Republicans, led by Jefferson and Madison. In "The Room Where It Happens", he gives up on those and begins trying Burr's approach of waiting, listening, and comprimising, and is surprised to learn that his bold strokes go over just fine when he's willing to give something up in return.
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27th Mar '17 8:06:20 AM thatother1dude
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "Blendin's Game", we learn Soos' father abandoned him, and wrote postcards every year on his birthday [[BlatantLies promising he'd come back]]. Dipper and Mabel enter into a life-threatening challenge with Blendin Blandin in order to get a Time Wish, so that Soos can wish his father would come and visit him. Soos instead uses it to clean up Dipper and Mabel (and to get a self-regenerating pizza slice), realizing the the Twins have done more for him than his father and are his real family.
23rd Mar '17 1:43:15 AM Irradiance
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* Wrestling/SamiZayn's quest for the [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] Championship and his reputation as the guy who's incapable of winning "the big one" come to a head in his feud with long time friend Wrestling/AdrianNeville. Zayn's unwavering stance on winning and doing things the honest way earned him criticism from the champion, Neville, who never outright cheated, but showed he was willing to cut corners to retain the belt when pushed to the brink even if doing so risked compromising his friendship with Zayn. Neville cited his friend's kindness and lack of a killer instinct as reasons he would never win when it truly mattered. These words lit a fire under Zayn, who put his career on the line and slapped Neville in anger, finally done with being the nice guy that worked to earn the respect of others. During the championship match, the referee gets knocked out and Zayn is left with the perfect opportunity to smash Neville's face in with the championship belt for an easy win. This is Zayn's chance to not only prove he win the big one, but that he ''isn't'' "too nice" to be champion. Zayn is [[MoralDilemma conflicted]], but ultimately decides against using the belt...and then goes on to win the match clean. In doing so, Zayn keeps his career ''and'' his friendship with Neville, wins the big one, and above all, stays true to himself.

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* Wrestling/SamiZayn's quest for the [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] Championship and his reputation as the guy who's [[EveryYearTheyFizzleOut incapable of winning "the big one" one"]] come to a head in his feud with long time friend Wrestling/AdrianNeville. Zayn's unwavering stance on winning and doing things the honest way earned him criticism from the champion, Neville, who never outright cheated, but showed he was willing to cut corners to retain the belt when pushed to the brink even if doing so risked compromising his friendship with Zayn. Neville cited his friend's kindness and lack of a killer instinct as reasons he would never win when it truly mattered. These words lit a fire under Zayn, who put his career on the line and slapped Neville in anger, finally done with being the nice guy that worked always has to earn the respect of others.show respect. During the championship match, the referee gets knocked out and Zayn is left with the perfect opportunity to smash Neville's face in with the championship belt for an easy win. This is Zayn's chance to not only prove he can win the big one, but that to also prove he ''isn't'' "too nice" to be champion. Zayn is [[MoralDilemma conflicted]], but ultimately decides against using the belt...and then goes on to win wins the match clean. In doing so, Zayn keeps his career ''and'' his friendship with Neville, wins the big one, and above all, stays true to himself.
23rd Mar '17 1:29:35 AM Irradiance
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* Wrestling/SamiZayn's quest for the [[Wrestling/{{WWENXT}} NXT]] Championship and his reputation as the guy who's incapable of winning "the big one" come to a head in his feud with long time friend Wrestling/AdrianNeville. Zayn's unwavering stance on winning and doing things the honest way earned him criticism from the champion, Neville, who never outright cheated, but showed he was willing to cut corners to retain the belt when pushed to the brink even if doing so risked compromising his friendship with Zayn. Neville cited his friend's kindness and lack of a killer instinct as reasons he would never win when it truly mattered. These words lit a fire under Zayn, who put his career on the line and slapped Neville in anger, finally done with being the nice guy that worked to earn the respect of others. During the championship match, the referee gets knocked out and Zayn is left with the perfect opportunity to smash Neville's face in with the championship belt for an easy win. This is Zayn's chance to not only prove he win the big one, but that he ''isn't'' "too nice" to be champion. Zayn is [[MoralDilemma conflicted]], but ultimately decides against using the belt...and then goes on to win the match clean. In doing so, Zayn keeps his career ''and'' his friendship with Neville, wins the big one, and above all, stays true to himself.
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19th Feb '17 7:35:12 PM SpectralTime
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* ''{{WesternAnimation/Moana}}'' has the hero Maui sacrificing his magical fishhook, which is the source of many of his powers, and to which he attaches a great deal of his self-worth, blocking a blow from the mad volcano demon to protect Moana and right a past wrong. In the end, [[spoiler: the goddess presents him with a new one as thanks for his service]].
11th Feb '17 1:16:16 PM KingClark
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* ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'' has an infamous example. Whenever you encounter a [[CreepyChild Little Sister]], you're given two options: "Harvest", which kills the Little Sister [[EvilPaysBetter but gives you more]] [[BioAugmentation ADAM]], or "Rescue", which cures the Little Sister of her [[BodyHorror sea slug]]-induced possession [[BeingGoodSucks but gives you less]]... ''in theory.'' [[MamaBear Dr. Tenenbaum]] will reward you for saving the Little Sisters with free [[PowersAsPrograms Plasmids]] and bonus ADAM; all things considered (see Second bullet for details) resisting temptation and playing the hero is ultimately just as rewarding, if not more so, than choosing the evil route.
** Harvesting every Little Sister grants 280 ADAM which is more than one will get for rescuing. However when you account for the free plasmids and gene tonics you get from Tenenbaum, some of which can only be acquired in this manner, the value of Harvesting disappears entirely; from a rewards perspective, virtue is the superior option. It's especially worth it when you consider the 100G Achievement that comes with rescuing every little sister.

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* ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'' has an infamous example. Whenever you encounter a [[CreepyChild Little Sister]], you're given two options: "Harvest", which kills the Little Sister [[EvilPaysBetter but gives you more]] [[BioAugmentation ADAM]], or "Rescue", which cures the Little Sister of her [[BodyHorror sea slug]]-induced possession [[BeingGoodSucks but gives you less]]... ''in theory.'' [[MamaBear Dr. Tenenbaum]] will reward you for saving the Little Sisters with free [[PowersAsPrograms Plasmids]] and bonus ADAM; all things considered (see Second bullet for details) considered, resisting temptation and playing the hero is ultimately just as rewarding, if not more so, than choosing the evil route.
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route. Harvesting every Little Sister grants 280 ADAM which is more than one will get for rescuing. However when you account for the free plasmids and gene tonics you get from Tenenbaum, some of which can only be acquired in this manner, the value of Harvesting disappears entirely; from a rewards perspective, virtue is the superior option. It's especially worth it when you consider the 100G Achievement that comes with rescuing every little sister.
25th Dec '16 7:56:23 PM Kayube
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* ToBeAMaster shows frequently have this. This often plays out with a competitor who believes that [[SecondPlaceIsForLosers winning is more important than anything else]], while our considerably more casual protagonist tries to show him the error of his mentality. Usually by beating him in competition, thus resulting in the protagonist becoming the grand champion after all. It says something about the broken nature of this when protagonists who ''don't'' go on to win the overall competition (for example, in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', Ash Ketchum) are written off by fans as {{Failure Hero}}es. They seem to forget that he ''did'' win the Orange Islands League and Battle Frontier, even though they're on a lower tier than the major league competitions. When he won the latter and got a trophy for it, he turned down their offer to become a Frontier Brain so he could continue traveling. Nintendo doesn't seem to have a problem with him winning arcs that aren't adapted from the games.

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* ToBeAMaster shows frequently have this. This often plays out with a competitor who believes that [[SecondPlaceIsForLosers winning is more important than anything else]], while our considerably more casual protagonist tries to show him the error of his mentality. Usually by beating him in competition, thus resulting in the protagonist becoming the grand champion after all. It says something about the broken nature of this when protagonists who ''don't'' go on to win the overall competition (for example, in ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', Ash Ketchum) are written off by fans as {{Failure Hero}}es. They seem to forget that he ''did'' win the Orange Islands League and Battle Frontier, even though they're on a lower tier than the major league competitions. When he won the latter and got a trophy for it, he turned down their offer to become a Frontier Brain so he could continue traveling. Nintendo doesn't seem to have a problem with him winning arcs that aren't adapted from the games.
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