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23rd Aug '16 8:50:34 PM Tank50us
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* Don't just think this works in Nature and in the Military or Police. City Fire Departments are often organized into "boxes" [[note]] short for Alarm Box, a reference to how fire departments were called before the advent of the radio and telephone[[/note]], so that when one station is called to a scene, several others will respond as well.
** This especially comes in handy when a fire is exceptionally large, such as when Grain Elevators turn themselves into blast furnaces. It's not uncommon to see dozens of companies respond to such an event when the first company arrives on scene and calls out "Fire Showing".
** On a smaller scale, if you ever watch footage of a fire scene, you'll notice a group of about 4-5 fire fighters just sitting off to one side. This is the RIC team[[note]]short for Rapid Intervention Crew[[/note]]. These are the Fire Fighters who's sole purpose in life is to rescue ''other'' Fire Fighters. The spit second the radio call goes out "MAYDAY! MAYDAY! FIRE FIGHTER DOWN!" these guys snap into action, [[BigEntrance cut and smash through the wall]] and [[BigDamnHeroes pull out the fallen Fire Fighter out.]]
** It's not just City Fire Departments that get to invoke this trope. Forrest Service Fire Fighters often invoke it with Air Tankers. And if you think that these things are just [[http://www.airtractor.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/aircraft_medium/planes/air-tractor-802f-1.jpg tiny planes]]... [[http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_34/1178396/150817-evergreen-747-supertanker_9b1f09069f18e43892e66536ef71ae35.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg guess]] [[http://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ian-James-2-Tanker-911-pulling-up-just-after-a-drop-on-the-Poco-Fire-June-15-2012-smaller.jpg again]].
21st Aug '16 1:13:16 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids'' is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. Ironically, this never happens with the character who is convinced he can do that. (Except in two non-canon [[http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0208.html bonus]] [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0670.html strips]]). In [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1032.html this]] later strip Han says he did it on purpose with the giant space wyrm, but he could be lying or delusional like Qui-Gon. Should be noted, they're played by the same person.

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* ''Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids'' is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. Ironically, this never happens with the character who is convinced he can do that. (Except in two non-canon [[http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0208.html bonus]] [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0670.html strips]]). In [[http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1032.html this]] later strip Han says he did it on purpose with the giant space wyrm, but he could be lying or delusional like Qui-Gon. Should be noted, they're played by the same person. In a short filler arc between Episodes 2 and 3, based on a ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' episode which was likely itself a reference to the comic, Jar-Jar does it for real.
21st Aug '16 1:03:17 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** This is the backstory for the Planeswalker Kiora. Her homeland, Zendikar, was torn apart by [[EldritchAbomination the Eldrazi]]. Her plan? Travel around the Multiverse to learn how to summon some eldritch abominations of her own to defeat them!

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** This is the backstory for the Planeswalker Kiora. Her homeland, Zendikar, was torn apart by [[EldritchAbomination the Eldrazi]]. Her plan? Travel around the Multiverse to learn how to summon some eldritch abominations of her own to defeat them!them! She ultimately [[spoiler: assembled a team of the most powerful living Planeswalkers who proceeded to do just that]], which amounts to pretty much the same thing.
10th Aug '16 7:00:59 PM Grade0
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* ''Blog/ThingsMrWelchIsNoLongerAllowedToDoInAnRPG'':
-->''583. Can't intimidate the evil wizard just by constantly summoning bigger versions of what he's just summoned.''
28th Jul '16 9:26:48 PM maxwellsilver
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** While we're on the subject of rabbits, it's theorized that the reason they [[CuteButCacophonic scream bloody murder]] when seized by a predator is because it just might invoke this trope, causing a rival predator to intervene and giving the rabbit a slim chance to get away or at very least make predators too scared to hunt the rabbits.

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** While we're on the subject of rabbits, it's theorized that the reason they [[CuteButCacophonic scream bloody murder]] murder when seized by a predator is because it just might invoke this trope, causing a rival predator to intervene and giving the rabbit a slim chance to get away or at very least make predators too scared to hunt the rabbits.



** The best example that comes to mind is Finland. The Soviets were looking over the border and remembering the [[ThePurge White Terror]], and soon enough invaded. The Finns put up a good fight; ironically, their performance was caused largely by the Soviets, and then they signed up with the Nazis, whom the USSR was just not ready to deal with quite yet. A bigger fish indeed. The Finns wanted to join up with the UK and the US, but the USSR, being on the side of the allied powers, prevented it.

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** The best example that comes to mind is Finland. The Soviets were looking over the border and remembering the [[ThePurge White Terror]], Terror, and soon enough invaded. The Finns put up a good fight; ironically, their performance was caused largely by the Soviets, and then they signed up with the Nazis, whom the USSR was just not ready to deal with quite yet. A bigger fish indeed. The Finns wanted to join up with the UK and the US, but the USSR, being on the side of the allied powers, prevented it.



* An example of this GoneHorriblyWrong happened in mid-18th century Texas. In 1749, several Apache bands rode into San Antonio and announced to the Spanish colonial authorities there that they wanted to make peace, convert to Christianity, and become loyal subjects of Spanish crown; they would do this if the Spanish would come and establish a mission and a fort in their territory. This smelled [[IncrediblyLamePun fishy]] from the start and many Spaniards doubted the Apaches' sincerity, but eventually the padres and the optimists in the government won out and by 1757 the fort and the mission were established on the bank of the San Saba river. The Apaches had been losing their war with the Comanches, and in fact they had [[LuredIntoATrap tricked the Spanish into building their settlement in the territory of the Comanches]]--who they knew would consider this an act of war--in the hope that the Spanish would deal with the Comanches. In March 1758 a huge force of Comanches came and massacred the padres on the mission while the soldiers and civilians cowered inside the fort, and in October 1759 the Spaniards' punitive expedition of 600 men encountered such a large force of Comanches that they [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere scattered and ran almost immediately]], resulting in the most [[EpicFail humiliating defeat]] the Spanish had suffered in the New World.
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM A very popular video]] shows some lions attacking a cape buffalo calf near a watering hole. The struggles of the calf in the water attract a crocodile, which tries to fight the lions for their prey and gives the calf a chance to escape. However, the crocodile loses and the lions are about to set upon the calf. [[BigDamnHeroes Then the entire cape buffalo herd masses on them...]]
* When Kuwait was invaded by Iraq and completely overwhelmed, it resorted to asking the United States to push Iraq out knowing America had interests in it. This mostly worked as intended, with America and its coalition allies [[CurbStompBattle beating Iraq easily]] despite initial fears, though Iraq getting desperate during the coalition air campaign pummeling for weeks sadly resulted in them dumping a large amount of Kuwait's oil into the sea and setting its oil wells on fire in a desperate attempt to force the coalition to attack.

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* An example of this GoneHorriblyWrong happened in mid-18th century Texas. In 1749, several Apache bands rode into San Antonio and announced to the Spanish colonial authorities there that they wanted to make peace, convert to Christianity, and become loyal subjects of Spanish crown; they would do this if the Spanish would come and establish a mission and a fort in their territory. This smelled [[IncrediblyLamePun fishy]] fishy from the start and many Spaniards doubted the Apaches' sincerity, but eventually the padres and the optimists in the government won out and by 1757 the fort and the mission were established on the bank of the San Saba river. The Apaches had been losing their war with the Comanches, and in fact they had [[LuredIntoATrap tricked the Spanish into building their settlement in the territory of the Comanches]]--who Comanches--who they knew would consider this an act of war--in the hope that the Spanish would deal with the Comanches. In March 1758 a huge force of Comanches came and massacred the padres on the mission while the soldiers and civilians cowered inside the fort, and in October 1759 the Spaniards' punitive expedition of 600 men encountered such a large force of Comanches that they [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere scattered and ran almost immediately]], immediately, resulting in the most [[EpicFail humiliating defeat]] defeat the Spanish had suffered in the New World.
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM A very popular video]] shows some lions attacking a cape buffalo calf near a watering hole. The struggles of the calf in the water attract a crocodile, which tries to fight the lions for their prey and gives the calf a chance to escape. However, the crocodile loses and the lions are about to set upon the calf. [[BigDamnHeroes Then the entire cape buffalo herd masses on them...]]
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* When Kuwait was invaded by Iraq and completely overwhelmed, it resorted to asking the United States to push Iraq out knowing America had interests in it. This mostly worked as intended, with America and its coalition allies [[CurbStompBattle beating Iraq easily]] easily despite initial fears, though Iraq getting desperate during the coalition air campaign pummeling for weeks sadly resulted in them dumping a large amount of Kuwait's oil into the sea and setting its oil wells on fire in a desperate attempt to force the coalition to attack.



** And if that does not work, bring on the [[GatlingGood A-]][[MightyGlacier 10]]s. Still not working? [[GunshipRescue Call for an AC-130]]. ''Still'' in trouble? [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill Have a B-2 swing by and deliver a 5,000 pound JDAM]]. Really, the U.S field manual on air support ought to be called ''How To Summon Bigger Bomb''.

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** And if that does not work, bring on the [[GatlingGood A-]][[MightyGlacier 10]]s. A-10s. Still not working? [[GunshipRescue Call for an AC-130]]. AC-130. ''Still'' in trouble? [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill Have a B-2 swing by and deliver a 5,000 pound JDAM]].JDAM. Really, the U.S field manual on air support ought to be called ''How To Summon Bigger Bomb''.
28th Jul '16 9:06:09 PM maxwellsilver
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[[caption-width-right:350:Orcs beware! This time, the good guys [[MemeticMutation have a cave troll.]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Orcs beware! This time, the good guys [[MemeticMutation have a cave troll.]]]]
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There is AlwaysABiggerFish, but sometimes they aren't willing to pop up out of nowhere and get you out of the current mess. [[SubTrope That's where this trope comes in.]] Summon Bigger Fish is when you get another monster/god/whatever [[LetsYouAndHimFight to fight the current one]], and hope that once the smoke is cleared the one you called will leave you alone or at least be weakened enough by the fight to be taken out with less insane tactics. Sadly, the odds of this [[OutOfTheFryingPan making things worse]] is 50/50 -- EvilIsNotAToy, after all-- but then again, once you've crossed the GodzillaThreshold, '''[[ForbiddenChekhovsGun anything]]''' is a viable option.

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There is AlwaysABiggerFish, but sometimes they aren't willing to pop up out of nowhere and get you out of the current mess. [[SubTrope That's where this trope comes in.]] in. Summon Bigger Fish is when you get another monster/god/whatever [[LetsYouAndHimFight to fight the current one]], one, and hope that once the smoke is cleared the one you called will leave you alone or at least be weakened enough by the fight to be taken out with less insane tactics. Sadly, the odds of this [[OutOfTheFryingPan making things worse]] worse is 50/50 -- EvilIsNotAToy, after all-- but then again, once you've crossed the GodzillaThreshold, '''[[ForbiddenChekhovsGun anything]]''' '''anything''' is a viable option.



* in ''Manga/DragonBall'', Vegeta's still powerful enough to kill Goku, Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe even after all the unGodly punishment he took in the climactic battle of the Saiyan saga. In a desperate gambit, Goku tells Gohan to look at the Power Ball in the sky, which transforms him into a raging, uncontrollable giant were-ape (oozaru). Initially, having lost all reason, Oozaru Gohan presents just as much of a threat to the heroes as Vegeta does, but Goku is able to telepathically communicate with him, and sics him on Vegeta.
** [[WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged Remember Icarus?]] [[MotivationalLie He did it.]]

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* in ''Manga/DragonBall'', Vegeta's still powerful enough to kill Goku, Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe even after all the unGodly [=unGodly=] punishment he took in the climactic battle of the Saiyan saga. In a desperate gambit, Goku tells Gohan to look at the Power Ball in the sky, which transforms him into a raging, uncontrollable giant were-ape (oozaru). Initially, having lost all reason, Oozaru Gohan presents just as much of a threat to the heroes as Vegeta does, but Goku is able to telepathically communicate with him, and sics him on Vegeta.
** [[WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged Remember Icarus?]] [[MotivationalLie He did it.]]
21st Jul '16 11:50:37 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Dr. Serizawa is GenreSavvy enough to know that humanity ''needs'' Godzilla to stop the [=MUTO=]s.\\\

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Dr. Serizawa is GenreSavvy enough to know knows that humanity ''needs'' Godzilla to stop the [=MUTO=]s.\\\



** And Nanny Ogg, being GenreSavvy, uses this to good effect in ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'' when she invokes [[spoiler:Oberon, the [[DistaffCounterpart Spear Counterpart]] to the [[TheFairFolk Queen of Elves]]]].

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** And Nanny Ogg, being GenreSavvy, Ogg uses this to good effect in ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'' when she invokes [[spoiler:Oberon, the [[DistaffCounterpart Spear Counterpart]] to the [[TheFairFolk Queen of Elves]]]].



* In ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'', surviving humans aboard the Sevastopol station are usually hostile, armed, and travel in groups, making it a poor choice to attack them head on. [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Throwing a scratch-build noisemaker device in the middle of their ranks will summon the titular Xenomorph]], [[CurbStompBattle who can tear through them like so much tissue paper]]. However, [[TemptingFate this leaves you in the room]] with a [[ImplacableMan relentless]] [[SuperPersistentPredator hungry super-predator]] who [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy can adapt to your behavior]], [[LightningBruiser is faster than you]], and [[NoSell is immune to all of your low-powered weapons]]. If you can't sneak past them, sometimes taking on an armed mob is the ''smart'' option.

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* In ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'', surviving humans aboard the Sevastopol station are usually hostile, armed, and travel in groups, making it a poor choice to attack them head on. [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Throwing a scratch-build noisemaker device in the middle of their ranks will summon the titular Xenomorph]], [[CurbStompBattle who can tear through them like so much tissue paper]]. However, [[TemptingFate this leaves you in the room]] with a [[ImplacableMan relentless]] [[SuperPersistentPredator hungry super-predator]] who [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy can adapt to your behavior]], behavior, [[LightningBruiser is faster than you]], and [[NoSell is immune to all of your low-powered weapons]]. If you can't sneak past them, sometimes taking on an armed mob is the ''smart'' option.
17th Jul '16 10:51:29 PM Thunderchin
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* Film/JohnWick is described as this by his former boss...to his son, [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge who has now drawn Wick's ire]].
--> '''Viggo:''' John wasn't exactly The Boogeyman. He was the one you send to '''kill''' the [[PrecisionFStrike fuckin']] Boogeyman.
17th Jul '16 10:19:52 PM PaulA
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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'', has Perseus using Medusa's head to defeat the kraken.

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* ''Film/ClashOfTheTitans'', ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|1981}}'' has Perseus using Medusa's head to defeat the kraken.
9th Jul '16 1:03:40 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/{{BuffyTheVampireSlayer}}'': In 'The Dark Age', Jenny is possessed by a body-hopping demon called Eyghon, who can't be forcibly exorcised without killing her. To get around this, the Scoobies trick Eyghon into jumping into Angel, a vampire. In the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Buffyverse]], vampires are effectively corpses possessed by demons; the demon already inhabiting Angel's body makes short work of Eyghon.

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* ''Series/{{BuffyTheVampireSlayer}}'': ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': In 'The "The Dark Age', Age", Jenny is possessed by a body-hopping demon called Eyghon, who can't be forcibly exorcised without killing her. To get around this, the Scoobies trick Eyghon into jumping into Angel, a vampire. In the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Buffyverse]], vampires are effectively corpses possessed by demons; the demon already inhabiting Angel's body makes short work of Eyghon.



* Kongu did this in ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'', during the Pit story. He used his Mask of Summoning to summon a giant EldritchAbomination-style Rahi to kill a 300-foot Matoran-eating Eel. It was an interesting battle. This is Kongu's mask power, to summon monsters ... the only problem is he doesn't get to control the monster ... nor can he choose what monster arrives. [[spoiler: This ends up biting him and the other Toa in the ass later on, as the Rahi and the Eel team up with each other and the mutated Gadunka during the MeleeATrois at the end of that arc.]]

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* Kongu did this in ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'', ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'', during the Pit story. He used his Mask of Summoning to summon a giant EldritchAbomination-style Rahi to kill a 300-foot Matoran-eating Eel. It was an interesting battle. This is Kongu's mask power, to summon monsters ... the only problem is he doesn't get to control the monster ... nor can he choose what monster arrives. [[spoiler: This ends up biting him and the other Toa in the ass later on, as the Rahi and the Eel team up with each other and the mutated Gadunka during the MeleeATrois at the end of that arc.]]
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