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12th Jan '16 7:56:51 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'': The Sisters of the Light believe suicide is an offense to the Creator. Thus the Prelate claims she covered up a Sister's apparent suicide to save her reputation (it turns out that she was [[NeverSuicide actually murdered]]).
10th Jan '16 2:33:16 PM Fireblood
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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', ''Film/RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
9th Jan '16 5:44:26 PM jewishenjolras
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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
2nd Jan '16 9:53:58 PM Fireblood
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room who shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room who shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.known. * ''Film/CruelAndUnusual'': Doris is condemned as a murderer for hanging herself. The tattoo on her arm she has in the afterlife says "Ego", showing that she is her own victim (along with her family).
12th Dec '15 6:58:14 PM Fireblood
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide though (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
12th Dec '15 6:57:21 PM Fireblood
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
12th Dec '15 9:24:55 AM NemoSpecific
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*** Interestingly, Ophelia's burial scene implies that Shakespeare himself did not agree with this view; the priest who buries her does so with the absolute minimum of rites and openly tells her grieving brother that he only did that much because he was ordered to bury the noble-born Ophelia by the king and [[KickTheDog "for charitable prayers/ Shards, flints, and pebbles should be thrown on her"]]. The brother retorts "I tell thee, churlish priest/ A ministering angel shall my sister be/ When thou liest howling". The priest does not get to reply, allowing this condemnation of the Church's [[NoSympathy]] attitude to suicides to be the last word on the subject.
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*** Interestingly, Ophelia's burial scene implies that Shakespeare himself did not agree with this view; the priest who buries her does so with the absolute minimum of rites and openly tells her grieving brother that he only did that much because he was ordered to bury the noble-born Ophelia by the king and [[KickTheDog "for charitable prayers/ Shards, flints, and pebbles should be thrown on her"]]. The brother retorts "I tell thee, churlish priest/ A ministering angel shall my sister be/ When thou liest howling". The priest does not get to reply, allowing this condemnation of the Church's [[NoSympathy]] NoSympathy attitude to suicides to be the last word on the subject.
3rd Nov '15 11:52:27 AM zarpaulus
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* In ''Literature/{{Carmilla}}'' the Countess Mircalla committed suicide and rose as a vampire. Unfortunately her lover heard that slaying her would condemn her to something even worse and he left her alone to prey upon young girls for centuries under a variety of anagramic aliases.
1st Nov '15 8:58:15 PM Fireblood
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear clear that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are different also because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned. ** It is a slander on genuine martyrs to call these acts "martyrdom operations" which are in reality are suicide (and indeed, generally murder). It can be contrasted with acts like attacking without wearing armor, or in which there is next to no chance of escape. Even some terrorists groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba ([=LeT=]) make this distinction. Though [=LeT=] also lionizes martyrs and kills civilians, it does not support suicide attacks. Though its members will fight to the death, they escape if possible. The act of suicide cannot be justified even with supposedly good intentions according to ''sharia'', Islamic law. ** People who commit these acts in war are called "muharibun", or "enemies of society", something that included war crimes and piracy, analogous to the modern "terrorist". The Muslim scholar Robert D. Crane has suggested "haribah" (the singular term for the acts described above) in place of "jihad" when referring to these acts, as this refers to legitimate warfare or the struggle to become a better Muslim. Using "jihad" in reference to such acts, as terrorists do, is also slanderous.
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear clear that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different also because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned. ** It is a slander on genuine martyrs to call these acts "martyrdom operations" which are in reality are suicide (and indeed, generally murder). It can be contrasted with acts like attacking without wearing armor, or in which there is next to no chance of escape. Even some terrorists terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba ([=LeT=]) make this distinction. Though [=LeT=] also lionizes martyrs and kills civilians, it does not support suicide attacks. Though its members will fight to the death, they escape if possible. The act of suicide cannot be justified even with supposedly good intentions according to ''sharia'', Islamic law. ** People who commit these acts in war are called "muharibun", or "enemies of society", something that included includes war crimes and piracy, analogous to the modern "terrorist". The Muslim scholar Robert D. Crane has suggested "haribah" (the singular term for the acts described above) in place of "jihad" when referring to these acts, as this refers to legitimate warfare or the struggle to become a better Muslim. Using "jihad" in reference to such acts, as terrorists do, is also slanderous.
1st Nov '15 6:33:47 AM eroock
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