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5th Jul '17 3:35:12 PM littlebeeper
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* In ''Series/TwentyFour'', Day 3 a devout Catholic CTU agent is dying from a painful [[BiologicalWeapon virus attack]]. One of his CTU friends offers him a quick and painless poison to take so he'll go easy, but he refuses on the grounds that suicide is a sin and he'll go to Hell. He dies in agony instead.

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* In ''Series/TwentyFour'', Day 3 a devout Catholic CTU agent is dying from a painful [[BiologicalWeapon [[BiologicalWeaponsSolveEverything virus attack]]. One of his CTU friends offers him a quick and painless poison to take so he'll go easy, but he refuses on the grounds that suicide is a sin and he'll go to Hell. He dies in agony instead.



* ''Series/ABitOfFryAndLaurie'': In one vox populi segment, a guy mentions he suffers from depression. His wife apparently ssays he should kill himself, but he thinks it is a coward's way out. However, he tried to kill himself once.

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* ''Series/ABitOfFryAndLaurie'': In one vox populi segment, a guy mentions he suffers from depression. His wife apparently ssays says he should kill himself, but he thinks it is a coward's way out. However, he tried to kill himself once.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'',"Million Dollar Abie": When Marge hears that Abe wanted to be euthanized, she is quite shocked and says that suicide is a sin.
--> '''Marge:''' Suicide?! Grampa, killing yourself is a sin. God wants us to die of old age after years of pain and reduced mobility.
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26th May '17 6:12:44 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/WhatDreamsMayCome'': Suicides end up in hell and none of them can ascend to their version of heaven, unlike people who died of natural causes or because of accidents.

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* ''Film/WhatDreamsMayCome'': Suicides end up in hell and none of them can ascend to their version of heaven, quite unlike people who died of natural causes or because of accidents.accidents. The only way out that we see is [[spoiler: when someone else offers to join them there. It's apparently a {{self inflicted hell}} that they need to be snapped out of by someone outside.]] Then the person can reincarnate to have another chance.
26th May '17 4:08:04 PM XFllo
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** It should be noted that the reason why Constantine's previous deeds were not good enough to gain entry into heaven was because they were ultimately self-serving actions, attempted bribery at best. By damning himself to negotiate for another suicide's release, he performed an actual selfless act.



* ''Film/WhatDreamsMayCome'': Suicides end up in hell and none of them can ascend to their version of heaven, unlike people who died of natural causes or because of accidents.



* On ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' Debra, thinking [[spoiler:the Skinner]] jumped to his death to avoid arrest, says he 'took the chickeny way out'.

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* On ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' Debra, thinking [[spoiler:the Skinner]] the Skinner (a serial killer who tortured his victims to death) jumped to his death to avoid arrest, says he 'took the chickeny way out'.


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* ''Series/ABitOfFryAndLaurie'': In one vox populi segment, a guy mentions he suffers from depression. His wife apparently ssays he should kill himself, but he thinks it is a coward's way out. However, he tried to kill himself once.
22nd May '17 1:01:53 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'': Alucard is absolutely disgusted and furious when the last survivor of the [=SWAT=] team he just butchered [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled chooses to shoot himself rather than face his wrath]].



* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'': Alucard is absolutely disgusted and furious when the last survivor of the [=SWAT=] team he just butchered [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled chooses to shoot himself rather than face his wrath]].



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* In the first issue of ''ComicBook/XFactor'' (the post-Decimation iteration), Wolfsbane tries to talk Rictor out of killing himself by saying that it's a sin and he'll go to Hell.
* In an early issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', Morpheus visits Hell and notes that the wood of suicides (where each victim is a tree) has grown from a small grove to a forest in the time since his last visit.
* There was a ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' one-shot called ''Soul of the Hunter'' in which Spidey learned from [[GrimReaper the embodiment of Death]] that he and Kraven share a spiritual bond, and that Kraven's soul cannot find the peace it craves because of Kraven's suicide; he can only be saved if Spidey agrees to fight on his behalf. At first, Spidey refuses, given [[BuriedAlive what Kraven did to him]], and Death cannot force him. However, eventually, Spidey feels a small amount of pity, and fights Kraven on the Astral Plane, defeating him and letting him rest in peace. [[spoiler:Sadly, Kraven wouldn't be allowed to rest in his grave forever; his daughter Ana and son Alyosha used a foul ritual to resurrect him as an undead being. However, according to him, he now can only die by Spider-Man's hand.]]
* In ''ComicBook/CerebusTheAardvark'', this is a deeply-ingrained belief for Cerebus. Thus, the suicide of Ham Ernestway[[note]]a not-so humorous caricature of Creator/ErnestHemingway[[/note]] rattles Cerebus to his core, mainly because he idolized Ham so much and for Ham to die by his own hand says some seriously shameful things about Cerebus in his self-estimation.

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* In the first issue of ''ComicBook/XFactor'' (the post-Decimation iteration), Wolfsbane tries to talk Rictor out of killing himself by saying that it's a sin and he'll go to Hell.
* In an early issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', Morpheus visits Hell and notes that the wood of suicides (where each victim is a tree) has grown from a small grove to a forest in the time since his last visit.
* There was a ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' one-shot called ''Soul of the Hunter'' in which Spidey learned from [[GrimReaper the embodiment of Death]] that he and Kraven share a spiritual bond, and that Kraven's soul cannot find the peace it craves because of Kraven's suicide; he can only be saved if Spidey agrees to fight on his behalf. At first, Spidey refuses, given [[BuriedAlive what Kraven did to him]], and Death cannot force him. However, eventually, Spidey feels a small amount of pity, and fights Kraven on the Astral Plane, defeating him and letting him rest in peace. [[spoiler:Sadly, Kraven wouldn't be allowed to rest in his grave forever; his daughter Ana and son Alyosha used a foul ritual to resurrect him as an undead being. However, according to him, he now can only die by Spider-Man's hand.]]
* In ''ComicBook/CerebusTheAardvark'', this is a deeply-ingrained belief for Cerebus. Thus, the suicide of Ham Ernestway[[note]]a not-so humorous caricature of Creator/ErnestHemingway[[/note]] rattles Cerebus to his core, mainly because he idolized Ham so much and for Ham to die by his own hand says some seriously shameful things about Cerebus in his self-estimation.
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* In ''ComicBook/CerebusTheAardvark'', this is a deeply-ingrained belief for Cerebus. Thus, the suicide of Ham Ernestway[[note]]a not-so humorous caricature of Creator/ErnestHemingway[[/note]] rattles Cerebus to his core, mainly because he idolized Ham so much and for Ham to die by his own hand says some seriously shameful things about Cerebus in his self-estimation.



* In an early issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', Morpheus visits Hell and notes that the wood of suicides (where each victim is a tree) has grown from a small grove to a forest in the time since his last visit.
* There was a ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' one-shot called ''Soul of the Hunter'' in which Spidey learned from [[GrimReaper the embodiment of Death]] that he and Kraven share a spiritual bond, and that Kraven's soul cannot find the peace it craves because of Kraven's suicide; he can only be saved if Spidey agrees to fight on his behalf. At first, Spidey refuses, given [[BuriedAlive what Kraven did to him]], and Death cannot force him. However, eventually, Spidey feels a small amount of pity, and fights Kraven on the Astral Plane, defeating him and letting him rest in peace. [[spoiler:Sadly, Kraven wouldn't be allowed to rest in his grave forever; his daughter Ana and son Alyosha used a foul ritual to resurrect him as an undead being. However, according to him, he now can only die by Spider-Man's hand.]]
* In the first issue of ''ComicBook/XFactor'' (the post-Decimation iteration), Wolfsbane tries to talk Rictor out of killing himself by saying that it's a sin and he'll go to Hell.



* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.
* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancée Elizabeta, believing Vlad to be dead because of lies spread by his enemies, killed herself. The priests declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.



* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee Elizabeta, believing Vlad to be dead because of lies spread by his enemies, killed herself. The priests declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.
* ''Film/CruelAndUnusual'': Doris is condemned as a murderer for hanging herself. The tattoo on her arm she has in the afterlife says "Ego", showing that she is her own victim (along with her family).
* In ''Film/RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
* ''Film/TheRapture'': After [[spoiler: she kills her daughter]], Sharon can't go through with killing herself, no doubt due to the belief she'll go to hell rather than heaven.

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* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee Elizabeta, believing Vlad to be dead because of lies spread by his enemies, killed herself. The priests declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.
* ''Film/CruelAndUnusual'': Doris is condemned as a murderer for hanging herself. The tattoo on her arm she has in the afterlife says "Ego", showing that she is her own victim (along with her family). \n* In ''Film/RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way. \n* ''Film/TheRapture'': After [[spoiler: she kills her daughter]], Sharon can't go through with killing herself, no doubt due to the belief she'll go to hell rather than heaven.



* ''Film/TheRapture'': After [[spoiler:she kills her daughter]], Sharon can't go through with killing herself, no doubt due to the belief she'll go to hell rather than heaven.
* In ''Film/RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.



* Subverted in one of the side stories of Alex Flinn's ''Bewitching''. [[spoiler:At the end of the mermaid's tale, she commits suicide via gassing herself with the stove out of despair that she gave up her life for a man who never loved her. When the angels show up to decide whether or not she should be taken to heaven, they note that suicide means that she shouldn't be let in, but {{handwave}} it by saying that since she was clearly fumbling with the stove, they'll just say it was an accident. The implication is that the angels feel sorry for what the mermaid already went through and feels she deserves heaven anyway.]]
* In ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNick'', Nekoda gives a long speech in order to dissuade [[spoiler: Nick]] about how suicide is for cowards. He [[spoiler: doesn't]] when he realizes [[spoiler: what it would do to his mother.]]
* ''Literature/ConfessionsOfFelixKrull'' is set during the [[TheEdwardianEra Fin de siècle]] when this attitude was very much the prevailing one and suicide was considered a sin. So the suicide of Felix' father is disguised as a gun-handling accident by the family. At the muster scene, when he pretends to be over-excited Felix Krull goes on and on that "the shooting-thing went off by itself" and that he can provide documentary proof and witnesses that his father had a church funeral.



* In ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'', Lawrence is facing execution in Japan for trespassing. However, his host offers to let him perform {{Seppuku}} in order to preserve his honor (and the host's honor). Lawrence is aghast at the suggestion, since as a devout Christian and an OfficerAndAGentleman he regards suicide as a cowardly act and (more importantly) a mortal sin.

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* In ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'', Lawrence is facing execution in Japan for trespassing. However, his host offers to let him perform {{Seppuku}} in order to preserve his honor (and the host's honor). Lawrence is aghast at the suggestion, since ''Literature/AFineAndPrivatePlace'', as a devout Christian and an OfficerAndAGentleman he regards result of the finding that [[spoiler:Michael committed suicide as a cowardly act rather than being murdered]], [[spoiler:his]] body is removed from the cemetary to unhallowed ground, splitting this couple up.
* In ''Literature/MyAntonia'', Antonia's father shoots himself because he was too homesick
and (more importantly) couldn't bear the hard life. The Shimerdas are Catholic while other families in the neighborhood are mostly Protestants. Jim's grandparents are sympathetic to the poor family and another Catholic explains to them that for the Shimerdas, the suicide is a mortal sin. terrible blow with an extra layer of suffering.
* As seen in the page quote, G.K. Chesterton argued in his book ''Orthodoxy'' that suicide was exactly as wrong as the annihilation of the universe, since they're the same thing from the perspective of the one doing it. A suicide, he argues, has insulted every bird in the heavens and every leaf on the trees by declaring it unworthy of living for. Interestingly, there are hints in his works that he'd considered suicide himself in his pre-Christian days.



** "Teacher Halfar": Halfar suffers because he wants to teach children in their native language, but it's forbidden. He goes from school to school and has no money. He hangs himself, and the poem ends with a sarcastic statement that he has finally found a position-a suicide's grave.

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** "Teacher Halfar": Halfar suffers because he wants to teach children in their native language, but it's forbidden. He goes from school to school and has no money. He hangs himself, and the poem ends with a sarcastic statement that he has finally found a position-a position -- a suicide's grave.



* In ''Literature/MyAntonia'', Antonia's father shoots himself because he was too homesick and couldn't bear the hard life. The Shimerdas are Catholic while other families in the neighborhood are mostly Protestants. Jim's grandparents are sympathetic to the poor family and another Catholic explains to them that for the Shimerdas, the suicide is a terrible blow with an extra layer of suffering.

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* In ''Literature/MyAntonia'', Antonia's father shoots himself because he was too homesick ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'', Lawrence is facing execution in Japan for trespassing. However, his host offers to let him perform {{Seppuku}} in order to preserve his honor (and the host's honor). Lawrence is aghast at the suggestion, since as a devout Christian and couldn't bear the hard life. The Shimerdas are Catholic while other families in the neighborhood are mostly Protestants. Jim's grandparents are sympathetic to the poor family and another Catholic explains to them that for the Shimerdas, the an OfficerAndAGentleman he regards suicide is as a terrible blow with an extra layer of suffering.cowardly act and (more importantly) a mortal sin.



* As seen in the page quote, G.K. Chesterton argued in his book ''Orthodoxy'' that suicide was exactly as wrong as the annihilation of the universe, since they're the same thing from the perspective of the one doing it. A suicide, he argues, has insulted every bird in the heavens and every leaf on the trees by declaring it unworthy of living for. Interestingly, there are hints in his works that he'd considered suicide himself in his pre-Christian days.
* In ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNick'', Nekoda gives a long speech in order to dissuade [[spoiler: Nick]] about how suicide is for cowards. He [[spoiler: doesn't]] when he realizes [[spoiler: what it would do to his mother.]]
* ''Literature/ConfessionsOfFelixKrull'' is set during the [[TheEdwardianEra Fin de siècle]] when this attitude was very much the prevailing one and suicide was considered a sin. So the suicide of Felix' father is disguised as a gun-handling accident by the family. At the muster scene, when he pretends to be over-excited Felix Krull goes on and on that "the shooting-thing went off by itself" and that he can provide documentary proof and witnesses that his father had a church funeral.
* Subverted in one of the side stories of Alex Flinn's ''Bewitching''. [[spoiler:At the end of the mermaid's tale, she commits suicide via gassing herself with the stove out of despair that she gave up her life for a man who never loved her. When the angels show up to decide whether or not she should be taken to heaven, they note that suicide means that she shouldn't be let in, but {{handwave}} it by saying that since she was clearly fumbling with the stove, they'll just say it was an accident. The implication is that the angels feel sorry for what the mermaid already went through and feels she deserves heaven anyway.]]
* In ''Literature/AFineAndPrivatePlace'', as a result of the finding that [[spoiler:Michael committed suicide rather than being murdered]], [[spoiler:his]] body is removed from the cemetary to unhallowed ground, splitting this couple up.



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* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Ethics" and ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episodes "Sons of Mogh" and "Children of Time" Klingons' ideas on suicide are discussed. They believe in this trope, except in certain circumstances like paralysis, or loss of honor. They will request the help of another person to end their life if unable (due to paralysis, say).
* In the ''Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation'' episode "Who Shot Sherlock?", Greg cites the possibility that a relative of the deceased covered up a suicide as a possible explanation for contradictory evidence at the crime scene. In an odd twist [[spoiler: it turns out to be a murder staged to look like a suicide which was staged to look like a murder because of this trope.]]
* In ''Series/TwentyFour'', Day 3 a devout Catholic CTU agent is dying from a painful [[BiologicalWeapon virus attack]]. One of his CTU friends offers him a quick and painless poison to take so he'll go easy, but he refuses on the grounds that suicide is a sin and he'll go to Hell. He dies in agony instead.

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* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Ethics" and ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episodes "Sons of Mogh" and "Children of Time" Klingons' ideas on suicide are discussed. They believe in this trope, except in certain circumstances like paralysis, or loss of honor. They will request the help of another person to end their life if unable (due to paralysis, say).
* In the ''Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation'' episode "Who Shot Sherlock?", Greg cites the possibility that a relative of the deceased covered up a suicide as a possible explanation for contradictory evidence at the crime scene. In an odd twist [[spoiler: it turns out to be a murder staged to look like a suicide which was staged to look like a murder because of this trope.]]
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* In ''Series/TwentyFour'', Day 3 a devout Catholic CTU agent is dying from a painful [[BiologicalWeapon virus attack]]. One of his CTU friends offers him a quick and painless poison to take so he'll go easy, but he refuses on the grounds that suicide is a sin and he'll go to Hell. He dies in agony instead. instead.
* On ''Series/BreakingBad'', Hank and Marie suggest that Walt has two honorable alternatives: [[spoiler:turn himself in, or kill himself.]] Both would be seen as ''extremely'' dishonorable and unmanly by other groups.



* {{Subverted}} towards the end of season 2 of ''Series/WaterlooRoad'': teacher Lorna Dickie has taken her own life because she has been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and a creationist who is trying to take over the school by funding a CorruptCorporateExecutive's bid to upgrade it to an academy tries to hijack her memorial service and condemn her suicide as a sin, but deputy head teacher Andrew Treneman steps up to challenge the creationist's views, even going so far as to challenge God to strike him down.
* On ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' Debra, thinking [[spoiler:the Skinner]] jumped to his death to avoid arrest, says he 'took the chickeny way out'.
* On ''Series/BreakingBad'', Hank and Marie suggest that Walt has two honorable alternatives: [[spoiler:turn himself in, or kill himself.]] Both would be seen as ''extremely'' dishonorable and unmanly by other groups.

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* {{Subverted}} towards In the end of season 2 of ''Series/WaterlooRoad'': teacher Lorna Dickie has taken her own life because she has been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and a creationist who is trying to take over ''Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation'' episode "Who Shot Sherlock?", Greg cites the school by funding possibility that a CorruptCorporateExecutive's bid to upgrade it to an academy tries to hijack her memorial service and condemn her relative of the deceased covered up a suicide as a sin, but deputy head teacher Andrew Treneman steps up to challenge possible explanation for contradictory evidence at the creationist's views, even going so far as crime scene. In an odd twist [[spoiler: it turns out to challenge God be a murder staged to strike him down.
* On ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' Debra, thinking [[spoiler:the Skinner]] jumped
look like a suicide which was staged to his death to avoid arrest, says he 'took the chickeny way out'.
* On ''Series/BreakingBad'', Hank and Marie suggest that Walt has two honorable alternatives: [[spoiler:turn himself in, or kill himself.]] Both would be seen as ''extremely'' dishonorable and unmanly by other groups.
look like a murder because of this trope.]]



* On ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' Debra, thinking [[spoiler:the Skinner]] jumped to his death to avoid arrest, says he 'took the chickeny way out'.
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E6Extremis "Extremis"]], the Vatican seeks the Doctor's help with a TomeOfEldritchLore called ''The Veritas'' it has in its possession. The book was recently translated, and all who worked on the translation killed themselves. As Cardinal Angelo notes, all of the translators were devout Catholics aware that suicide would be considered a mortal sin -- and yet they did it anyway.
* Played with in ''Series/DowntonAbbey'', where [[spoiler:Thomas's]] suicide attempt seems to be viewed as shameful by the more old-fashioned Carson but treated with sympathy by the rest of the cast.
* ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'': The Sisters of the Light believe suicide is an offense to the Creator. Thus the Prelate claims she covered up a Sister's apparent suicide to save her reputation (it turns out that she was [[NeverSuicide actually murdered]]).



* ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'': The Sisters of the Light believe suicide is an offense to the Creator. Thus the Prelate claims she covered up a Sister's apparent suicide to save her reputation (it turns out that she was [[NeverSuicide actually murdered]]).
* Played with in ''Series/DowntonAbbey'', where [[spoiler:Thomas's]] suicide attempt seems to be viewed as shameful by the more old-fashioned Carson but treated with sympathy by the rest of the cast.

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* ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'': The Sisters of In the Light ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Ethics" and ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episodes "Sons of Mogh" and "Children of Time" Klingons' ideas on suicide are discussed. They believe in this trope, except in certain circumstances like paralysis, or loss of honor. They will request the help of another person to end their life if unable (due to paralysis, say).
* {{Subverted}} towards the end of season 2 of ''Series/WaterlooRoad'': teacher Lorna Dickie has taken her own life because she has been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and a creationist who is trying to take over the school by funding a CorruptCorporateExecutive's bid to upgrade it to an academy tries to hijack her memorial service and condemn her
suicide is an offense as a sin, but deputy head teacher Andrew Treneman steps up to challenge the Creator. Thus the Prelate claims she covered up a Sister's apparent suicide creationist's views, even going so far as to save her reputation (it turns out that she was [[NeverSuicide actually murdered]]).
* Played with in ''Series/DowntonAbbey'', where [[spoiler:Thomas's]] suicide attempt seems
challenge God to be viewed as shameful by the more old-fashioned Carson but treated with sympathy by the rest of the cast.strike him down.



* In ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings'', suicide generates a huge opinion penalty from every single other character in the game. This obviously wouldn't matter, except that half of such penalties are then applied against the character's successor, so the player's next character will have to deal with the stigma of their predecessor (usually father) committing suicide. This makes it much harder to use suicide as a tactical way to manipulate truces and inheritance law and stuff.
* Implied in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'''s ''Shivering Isles'' expansion, which has a location called the Hill of Suicides haunted by the souls of several [=NPCs=]. Another character in the Isles suffers from suicidal depression, but is terrified of his soul ending up on the Hill, so he decides to try some LoopholeAbuse [[ICannotSelfTerminate by hiring you to kill him]].



* Implied in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'''s ''Shivering Isles'' expansion, which has a location called the Hill of Suicides haunted by the souls of several [=NPCs=]. Another character in the Isles suffers from suicidal depression, but is terrified of his soul ending up on the Hill, so he decides to try some LoopholeAbuse [[ICannotSelfTerminate by hiring you to kill him]].
* In ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings'', suicide generates a huge opinion penalty from every single other character in the game. This obviously wouldn't matter, except that half of such penalties are then applied against the character's successor, so the player's next character will have to deal with the stigma of their predecessor (usually father) committing suicide. This makes it much harder to use suicide as a tactical way to manipulate truces and inheritance law and stuff.



* In a side comic of ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'' it's revealed that Matilda was banished from her tribe because she supposedly killed her brother. In reality, her brother had committed suicide and she covered it up by claiming she had killed him to hide the shame.



* In a side comic of ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'' it's revealed that Matilda was banished from her tribe because she supposedly killed her brother. In reality, her brother had committed suicide and she covered it up by claiming she had killed him to hide the shame.


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17th May '17 5:42:53 PM Fireblood
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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The only exception for this is when someone who commits suicide in a situation where Allah will not hold them responsible for sins; for instance if someone commits suicide [[ChildrenAreInnocent before reaching the age of maturity]] or while [[InsanityDefense insane]] than he can still go to Jannah. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.

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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The only exception for this is when someone who commits suicide is in a situation where Allah will not hold them responsible for sins; for instance sins. For instance, if someone commits suicide [[ChildrenAreInnocent before reaching the age of maturity]] or while [[InsanityDefense insane]] than then he can still go to Jannah. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.
17th May '17 3:52:19 PM Timjames98
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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The only exception for this is when someone who commits suicide in a situation where they Allah will not hold them responsible for sins; for instance if someone commits suicide [[ChildrenAreInnocent before reaching the age of maturity]] or while [[InsanityDefense insane]] than he can still go to Jannah. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.

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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The only exception for this is when someone who commits suicide in a situation where they Allah will not hold them responsible for sins; for instance if someone commits suicide [[ChildrenAreInnocent before reaching the age of maturity]] or while [[InsanityDefense insane]] than he can still go to Jannah. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.
17th May '17 3:49:22 PM Timjames98
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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The Quranic verses make no exceptions on this (also reflected in hadiths), and thus most Islamic scholars include suicide bombings. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.

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* Contrary to what it might seem, Islam completely forbids suicide. In hell, a suicide is punished with [[IronicHell inflicting the same act on themselves forever]], being restored and repeating it after each time. The Quranic verses make no exceptions on only exception for this (also reflected in hadiths), and thus most Islamic scholars include is when someone who commits suicide bombings.in a situation where they Allah will not hold them responsible for sins; for instance if someone commits suicide [[ChildrenAreInnocent before reaching the age of maturity]] or while [[InsanityDefense insane]] than he can still go to Jannah. Martyrdom applies only to sacrificing one's life while fighting for Islam at ''other's'' hands, either in battle or elsewhere. This is NewerThanTheyThink, with the first recorded Islamic suicide bombings dating from 1983.
14th Apr '17 2:22:35 PM Dravencour
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* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee, believing Vlad to be dead, killed herself. The priests declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.

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* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee, fiancee Elizabeta, believing Vlad to be dead, dead because of lies spread by his enemies, killed herself. The priests declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.
14th Apr '17 2:19:58 PM Dravencour
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* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee, believing Vlad to be dead, killed herself. The priests declare her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.

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* Part of the setup of ''Film/BramStokersDracula''. Vlad Dracula's fiancee, believing Vlad to be dead, killed herself. The priests declare declared her to be damned because of this (since suicide was a mortal sin according to the religious doctrine of the period -- see Religion below), which causes a grieving and distraught Vlad to renounce God and become a vampire.
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