History Main / SuicideIsShameful

21st Jul '16 8:02:18 AM wusch
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This trope is often cited as a reason ICannotSelfTerminate. This can be a harsh manner in TalkingDownTheSuicidal. It can also be the cause of SuicideNotMurder if someone tries to make a suicide look like murder in order to avoid this stigma (and make sure that life insurance pays out). This can also trigger SuicideNotAccident. Compare/Contrast HowDareYouDieOnMe. Contrast MartyrdomCulture, NotAfraidToDie. Contrast HeroicSacrifice. {{Seppuku}}, while still suicide, is usually considered heroic and noble (at least in Japan). The opposite of HeroicSuicide.

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This trope is often cited as a reason ICannotSelfTerminate. This can be a harsh manner in TalkingDownTheSuicidal. But you should be extremely sure that it works when you try it this way as this can as well be a good method to make a suicidal person actually kill himself. It can also be the cause of SuicideNotMurder if someone tries to make a suicide look like murder in order to avoid this stigma (and make sure that life insurance pays out). This can also trigger SuicideNotAccident. Compare/Contrast HowDareYouDieOnMe. Contrast MartyrdomCulture, NotAfraidToDie. Contrast HeroicSacrifice. {{Seppuku}}, while still suicide, is usually considered heroic and noble (at least in Japan). The opposite of HeroicSuicide.
3rd Apr '16 2:20:32 PM LordGro
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* In ''Literature/{{Carmilla}}'' the Countess Mircalla committed suicide and rose as a vampire. Unfortunately her lover heard that slaying her would condemn her to something even worse and he left her alone to prey upon young girls for centuries under a variety of anagramic aliases.
3rd Mar '16 7:11:54 PM ZeldaQueen64
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* Played with in ''Series/DowntonAbby'', where [[spoiler:Thomas's]] suicide attempt seems to be viewed as shameful by the more old-fashioned Carson but treated with sympathy by the rest of the cast.
12th Jan '16 7:56:51 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'': The Sisters of the Light believe suicide is an offense to the Creator. Thus the Prelate claims she covered up a Sister's apparent suicide to save her reputation (it turns out that she was [[NeverSuicide actually murdered]]).
10th Jan '16 2:33:16 PM Fireblood
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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.

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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', ''Film/RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
9th Jan '16 5:44:26 PM jewishenjolras
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* In ''RhymesForYoungGhouls'', Anna is given an unmarked grave because her death was by suicide. Her remains lie in an eerie, dense part of a forest cluttered with other disgraced deaths. Even so, Aila and Joseph visit and pay their respects, clearly missing her deeply, and share anger that she has been disrespected in this way.
2nd Jan '16 9:53:58 PM Fireblood
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room who shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{Film/Beetlejuice}}'': Suicides get an afterlife as a BeleagueredBureaucrat working in [[CelestialBureaucracy limbo's social services department]], depicted as being every bit as fun as a dead-end (pun intentional) job in the DMV. The woman at the front desk in the afterlife waiting room who shows off [[JacobMarleyApparel her slit wrists]] as proof she made the mistake, clearly regrets it, and wouldn't have done it had she known.known.
* ''Film/CruelAndUnusual'': Doris is condemned as a murderer for hanging herself. The tattoo on her arm she has in the afterlife says "Ego", showing that she is her own victim (along with her family).
12th Dec '15 6:58:14 PM Fireblood
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.

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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide though (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
12th Dec '15 6:57:21 PM Fireblood
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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.

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** It is permissible to do something that will most probably result in death (e.g. attacking enemies of much greater strength), but that differs from killing oneself. The Islamic scholars who defend suicide bombings deny they are suicide, but instead call them "self-sacrifice." It is clear however that deliberately detonating an explosive that the person has placed on their body or nearby to kill others cannot be called anything except suicide (and murder, in most cases). Apologists for these acts claim they are also different because of the motives, but the Quran has made no exceptions for that as mentioned above. It is their tactical utility that has now made suicide bombings popular with terrorist organizations. By the Quranic evidence, those who commit these acts are condemned.
12th Dec '15 9:24:55 AM NemoSpecific
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*** Interestingly, Ophelia's burial scene implies that Shakespeare himself did not agree with this view; the priest who buries her does so with the absolute minimum of rites and openly tells her grieving brother that he only did that much because he was ordered to bury the noble-born Ophelia by the king and [[KickTheDog "for charitable prayers/ Shards, flints, and pebbles should be thrown on her"]]. The brother retorts "I tell thee, churlish priest/ A ministering angel shall my sister be/ When thou liest howling". The priest does not get to reply, allowing this condemnation of the Church's [[NoSympathy]] attitude to suicides to be the last word on the subject.

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*** Interestingly, Ophelia's burial scene implies that Shakespeare himself did not agree with this view; the priest who buries her does so with the absolute minimum of rites and openly tells her grieving brother that he only did that much because he was ordered to bury the noble-born Ophelia by the king and [[KickTheDog "for charitable prayers/ Shards, flints, and pebbles should be thrown on her"]]. The brother retorts "I tell thee, churlish priest/ A ministering angel shall my sister be/ When thou liest howling". The priest does not get to reply, allowing this condemnation of the Church's [[NoSympathy]] NoSympathy attitude to suicides to be the last word on the subject.
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