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5th Apr '18 8:38:45 PM infernape612
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** Caleb the Healer in ''Literature/DarthBane'' was willing to help heal soldiers on either side of the Jedi-Sith War,but refuses to help either the Sith Lords OR the Jedi as he blames both of them for the fighting...even though the Jedi are benevolent peacekeepers reacting to the Siths OPEN attempt at intergalactic domination, and while neither side has clean hands the latter is still far more blatantly bloodthirsty and power hungry than the former and far more prone to committing atrocities. He may be a {{Downplayed}} trope somewhat since the Jedi and Sith war has certain particular "quirks" about it - some Jedi are self-styled Lords who rule planets and lead armies, the leader of the Sith is himself a former Jedi, the war was but the latest in a century of violent conflicts- but these aren't really brought up in story and the Sith are still clearly the villains and pretty open about their evil intentions either way. His daughter is arguably just as bad as she tried to find and kill Bane as she (semi-wrongly) blames him for [[spoiler: killing Caleb]] but also has little regard for the Jedi Order, and thinks that she is just as qualified or deserving as anyone else to bringing Bane to justice, in the end [[spoiler: just getting a ton of her own people and herself killed at the hands of the most dangerous and evil people in the galaxy, achieving little other than seriously annoying the two surviving Sith]].

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** Caleb the Healer in ''Literature/DarthBane'' was willing to help heal soldiers on either side of the Jedi-Sith War,but War, but refuses to help either the Sith Lords OR the Jedi as he blames both of them for the fighting...even though the Jedi are benevolent peacekeepers reacting to the Siths Sith's OPEN attempt at intergalactic domination, and while neither side has clean hands the latter is still far more blatantly bloodthirsty and power hungry than the former and far more prone to committing atrocities. He may be a {{Downplayed}} trope somewhat since the Jedi and Sith war has certain particular "quirks" about it - some Jedi are self-styled Lords who rule planets and lead armies, the leader of the Sith is himself a former Jedi, the war was but the latest in a century of violent conflicts- but these aren't really brought up in story and the Sith are still clearly the villains and pretty open about their evil intentions either way. His daughter is arguably just as bad as she tried to find and kill Bane as she (semi-wrongly) blames him for [[spoiler: killing Caleb]] but also has little regard for the Jedi Order, and thinks that she is just as qualified or deserving as anyone else to bringing Bane to justice, in the end [[spoiler: just getting a ton of her own people and herself killed at the hands of the most dangerous and evil people in the galaxy, achieving little other than seriously annoying the two surviving Sith]].
11th Feb '18 11:10:35 AM nombretomado
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* This seems to be the concept behind a majority of the neutral route characters of ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]''. One learns to stop trusting "neutral" characters rather quickly after the counter of Neutral Myrmidons that have senselessly slaughtered your Good character in the night hits double digits.

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* This seems to be the concept behind a majority of the neutral route characters of ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]''.''VideoGame/NexusClash''. One learns to stop trusting "neutral" characters rather quickly after the counter of Neutral Myrmidons that have senselessly slaughtered your Good character in the night hits double digits.
7th Feb '18 5:05:44 PM nombretomado
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* Played with in the literal Batman Cold Opening of ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: The Court of Owls''. Two-Face, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask and several other Arkham Asylum inmates have Batman cornered on their own turf (a corrupt GCPD guard let them out) and are prepared to kill him...when just in the nick of time TheJoker (who has said in the past that he doesn't ''really'' want Batman to die, since he's [[ItAmusedMe just so much fun to fight against]]) unexpectedly joins forces with Batman ("Lets get to the punch line!") and physically assaults various fellow members of the RoguesGallery, much to their disgust ("Joker! You turncoat [[CurseCutShort son of a-!]]"). However, this proves to be a subversion, because [[spoiler: in this case it was really Nightwing wearing a computer-generated Joker mask]].

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* Played with in the literal Batman Cold Opening of ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: The Court of Owls''. Two-Face, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask and several other Arkham Asylum inmates have Batman cornered on their own turf (a corrupt GCPD guard let them out) and are prepared to kill him...when just in the nick of time TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker (who has said in the past that he doesn't ''really'' want Batman to die, since he's [[ItAmusedMe just so much fun to fight against]]) unexpectedly joins forces with Batman ("Lets get to the punch line!") and physically assaults various fellow members of the RoguesGallery, much to their disgust ("Joker! You turncoat [[CurseCutShort son of a-!]]"). However, this proves to be a subversion, because [[spoiler: in this case it was really Nightwing wearing a computer-generated Joker mask]].
2nd Jan '18 3:48:00 PM nombretomado
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'''Neutral President:''' If I don't survive, tell my wife: "{{Hello}}"

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'''Neutral President:''' If I don't survive, tell my wife: "{{Hello}}""JustForFun/{{Hello}}"
25th Dec '17 10:29:53 PM Fireblood
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** Calvin of ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' fame tended to spend the Christmas season torturing himself by ''forcing'' himself to be good - or "good", since Calvin only wanted to act as moral as absolutely necessary and without genuinely good intentions to back up superficially "nice" actions. As a result, he would "unselfishly" let Hobbes read one of his comic books or "politely" agree to eat his mother's disgusting cooking, all the while sarcastically ranting about how "good" he's being and that Santa had better be happy with that. Another time, when he was abstaining from throwing snowballs at Susie Derkins, she hit ''him'' in the face with a ball, causing him to conclude that [[PayEvilUntoEvil now he was justified in hitting]] ''[[PayEvilUntoEvil her]]'' [[PayEvilUntoEvil in the face with a ball]]. When Hobbes pointed out that a ''truly'' moral person would just walk away without retailiating, Calvin tells him that he doesn't want to be ''that'' good.

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** Calvin of ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' fame tended to spend the Christmas season torturing himself by ''forcing'' himself to be good - or "good", since Calvin only wanted to act as moral as absolutely necessary and without genuinely good intentions to back up superficially "nice" actions. As a result, he would "unselfishly" let Hobbes read one of his comic books or "politely" agree to eat his mother's disgusting cooking, all the while sarcastically ranting about how "good" he's being and that Santa had better be happy with that. Another time, when he was abstaining from throwing snowballs at Susie Derkins, she hit ''him'' in the face with a ball, causing him to conclude that [[PayEvilUntoEvil now he was justified in hitting]] ''[[PayEvilUntoEvil her]]'' [[PayEvilUntoEvil in the face with a ball]]. When Hobbes pointed out that a ''truly'' moral person would just walk away without retailiating, forgive her and not retaliate, Calvin tells him that he doesn't want to be ''that'' good.



* Garfield also once, when being scolded by Jon for eating all the cookies, [[TheGrovel knelt down and put his face in his hands and loudly sobbed "I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I'm sorry!"]] - and then, when Jon wasn't looking, [[BreakingTheFourthWall acknowledged the audience]] with a tearless face and a huge sick grin, indicating [[{{Hypocrite}} he hadn't meant a word of what he'd said]].

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* ** Garfield also once, when being scolded by Jon for eating all the cookies, [[TheGrovel knelt down and put his face in his hands and loudly sobbed "I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I'm sorry!"]] - and then, when Jon wasn't looking, [[BreakingTheFourthWall acknowledged the audience]] with a tearless face and a huge sick grin, indicating [[{{Hypocrite}} he hadn't meant a word of what he'd said]].
25th Nov '17 9:04:46 AM Dragon101
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** Caleb the Healer in ''Literature/DarthBane'' was willing to help heal soldiers on either side of the Jedi-Sith War,but refuses to help either the Sith Lords OR the Jedi as he blames both of them for the fighting...even though the Jedi are benevolent peacekeepers reacting to the Siths OPEN attempt at intergalactic domination, and while neither side has clean hands the latter is still far more blatantly bloodthirsty and power hungry than the former and far more prone to committing atrocities. He may be a {{Downplayed}} trope somewhat since the Jedi and Sith war has certain particular "quirks" about it - some Jedi are self-styled Lords who rule planets and lead armies, the leader of the Sith is himself a former Jedi, the war was but the latest in a century of violent conflicts- but these aren't really brought up in story and the Sith are still clearly the villains and pretty open about their evil intentions either way. His daughter is arguably just as bad as she tried to find and kill Bane as she (semi-wrongly) blames him for [[spoiler: killing Caleb]] but also has little regard for the Jedi Order, and thinks that she is just as qualified or deserving as anyone else to bringing Bane to justice, in the end [[spoiler: just getting a ton of her own people and herself killed at the hands of the most dangerous and evil people in the galaxy, achieving little other than seriously annoying the two surviving Sith]].
21st Nov '17 9:12:32 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* Grand Cleric Elthina of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' is a strange case in that she is portrayed quite sympathetically. It is her express job to control the templars, who at this point are out of control and openly abusing their power, and yet such is her desire to maintain the status quo (believing, almost literally, that StatusQuoIsGod) that she does ''nothing'' about it, other than some vague talk about making a "compromise", would ever really explaining or specifying what exactly that would entail, making her leadership come across as HeadInTheSandManagement. The consequences of her decisions--or rather lack thereof--are not pretty.

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* Grand Cleric Elthina of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' is a strange case in that she is portrayed quite sympathetically. It is her express job to control the templars, who at this point are out of control and openly abusing their power, and yet such is her desire to maintain the status quo (believing, almost literally, that StatusQuoIsGod) that she does ''nothing'' about it, other than making some vague talk talks about making reaching a "compromise", would without ever really explaining or specifying what exactly that would entail, making her leadership come across as HeadInTheSandManagement. The consequences of her decisions--or rather lack thereof--are not pretty.
21st Nov '17 9:11:58 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* Grand Cleric Elthina of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' is a strange case in that she is portrayed quite sympathetically. It is her express job to control the templars, who at this point are out of control and openly abusing their power, and yet such is her desire to maintain the status quo (believing, almost literally, that StatusQuoIsGod) that she does ''nothing'' about it. The consequences of her decisions--or rather lack thereof--are not pretty.

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* Grand Cleric Elthina of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' is a strange case in that she is portrayed quite sympathetically. It is her express job to control the templars, who at this point are out of control and openly abusing their power, and yet such is her desire to maintain the status quo (believing, almost literally, that StatusQuoIsGod) that she does ''nothing'' about it.it, other than some vague talk about making a "compromise", would ever really explaining or specifying what exactly that would entail, making her leadership come across as HeadInTheSandManagement. The consequences of her decisions--or rather lack thereof--are not pretty.
13th Oct '17 6:26:20 PM BattleMaster
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': This is what convinces the Jedi Council once and for all that Chancellor Palpatine isn't all he seems to be. After Count Dooku is slain and General Grievous is chased back to the Outer Rim after nearly capturing Coruscant, it would make sense to let the Separatists realize they have been beaten and wait for their surrender; but Palpatine insists on pursuing the Separatists to the Rim, apparently to keep the conflict going by provoking the Separatists into fighting back. This causes Mace Windu to suspect that Palpatine is [[RunningBothSides secretly manipulating every facet of the Clone Wars]] - which, of course, he is.
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17th Sep '17 3:13:20 AM Doug86
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* OlderThanPrint: Early on in Dante's ''Literature/DivineComedy'', he meets the Uncommitted, who refused to choose good or evil in life, and as a punishment are forced to eternally chase after a banner while being stung by wasps.

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* OlderThanPrint: Early on in Dante's ''Literature/DivineComedy'', ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', he meets the Uncommitted, who refused to choose good or evil in life, and as a punishment are forced to eternally chase after a banner while being stung by wasps.
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