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21st Jan '16 8:06:18 PM Adept
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* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]
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* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren.''Manga/HaouAire''n. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]
24th Dec '15 6:15:14 AM CassandraLeo
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** In a rather NightmareFuel-inducing use of this trope, the Daleks in "Hell Bent" beg the Doctor to do this to them because they are trapped in an AndIMustScream-inducing prison. FridgeHorror kicks in when you remember that earlier in the season it was revealed that the Daleks' speech circuitry rewords the Daleks' speech for them, so they might be saying something ''even more extreme'' than "Exterminate me!".
11th Dec '15 12:13:21 PM ChaoticNovelist
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So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but the villain actually wants this. He practically goads the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.
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So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but and the villain actually wants this. them to take it. He practically goads ''goads'' the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.

The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. [[ICannotSelfTerminate But they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive. Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]] GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy. Can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.
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The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. die]], [[ICannotSelfTerminate But but they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive. Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]] restraints]]. This could then lead to HeroWithBadPublicity ''because'' he lacks such restraints; [[WoundedGazelleGambit who looks like the aggressor in this situation?]] GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May It may also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy. Can It can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.

* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]
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* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. Doing so will awaken "The Battosai" premanently. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]
26th Nov '15 7:10:56 PM NOYB
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* WordOfGod says that this is why Obi-Wan doesn't actively finish off Anakin at the end of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Anakin's betrayal and the fight had left him in a bad place mentally, and if he killed him as it was, he'd leave himself open to the dark side's influence and possibly be around for Palpatine to show up and kill him, or leave Padme to die.
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* WordOfGod says that this is why Obi-Wan doesn't actively finish off Anakin at the end of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''; Anakin's betrayal and the fight had left him in a bad place mentally, and if he killed him as it was, he'd leave himself open to the dark side's Dark Side's influence and possibly be around for Palpatine to show up and kill him, or leave Padme to die.
10th Oct '15 4:49:50 PM nombretomado
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* The [[NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] a few times.
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* The [[NormanOsborn [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] a few times.
10th Oct '15 1:04:06 PM ultimomant
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* In ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'', the evil god Dahak possesses Iolaus and goes on a rampage. When Hercules fights him, Dahak keeps goading him to kill him. It is pointed out that if Hercules does kill him while he's in Iolaus' body, then Iolaus will go to Hell along with Dahak. It will only be a minor setback for the evil god, while the forces of good would lose a good warrior. Fortunately, Hercules manages to enter the body's mindscape, where he and Iolaus defeat Dahak together.
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* In ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'', the evil god Dahak possesses Iolaus and goes on a rampage. When Hercules fights him, Dahak keeps goading him to kill him. It is pointed out that if Hercules does kill him while he's in Iolaus' body, then Iolaus will go to Hell along with Dahak. It will only be a minor setback for the evil god, while the forces of good would lose a good warrior.warrior and it will tip the scales of the cosmic balance to evil. Fortunately, Hercules manages to enter the body's mindscape, where he and Iolaus defeat Dahak together.
11th Aug '15 1:49:03 AM Dravencour
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' inverts this: [[spoiler: Naruto says that if he can't get [[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]] to make a HeelFaceTurn, then he's TakingYouWithMe. He's gotten Sasuke to promise to save all of his hatred for him and avoid killing anyone else until they fight]]. In the end, [[spoiker. it doesn't happen]]
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' inverts this: [[spoiler: Naruto says that if he can't get [[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]] to make a HeelFaceTurn, then he's TakingYouWithMe. He's gotten Sasuke to promise to save all of his hatred for him and avoid killing anyone else until they fight]]. In the end, [[spoiker. [[spoiler: it doesn't happen]]
11th Jul '15 6:00:34 PM RainFairy
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* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill.
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* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]

* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' inverts this: [[spoiler: Naruto says that if he can't get [[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]] to make a HeelFaceTurn, then he's TakingYouWithMe. He's gotten Sasuke to promise to save all of his hatred for him and avoid killing anyone else until they fight]]. * Explicit in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''[='s=] final showdown between [[IShallTauntYou Envy]] and [[spoiler:[[PersonOfMassDestruction Mustang]]]]. While not part of Envy's plan at all, the normally icy cool [[spoiler:Mustang]]'s allies are so horrified at the [[KickTheSonOfABitch sadistic glee with which he's torturing Envy to death]] that they beg him to stop until he can realize what he's doing and cool off. This ultimately acts as something of a wake-up call that saves the character from the nihilistic death spiral he'd been in to that point.
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' inverts this: [[spoiler: Naruto says that if he can't get [[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]] to make a HeelFaceTurn, then he's TakingYouWithMe. He's gotten Sasuke to promise to save all of his hatred for him and avoid killing anyone else until they fight]]. fight]]. In the end, [[spoiker. it doesn't happen]] * Explicit in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''[='s=] final showdown between [[IShallTauntYou Envy]] and [[spoiler:[[PersonOfMassDestruction Mustang]]]]. While not part of Envy's plan at all, the normally icy cool [[spoiler:Mustang]]'s allies are so horrified at the [[KickTheSonOfABitch sadistic glee with which he's torturing Envy to death]] that they beg him to stop until he can realize what he's doing and cool off. This ultimately acts as [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone something of a wake-up call call]] that saves the character from the nihilistic death spiral he'd been in to that point.point, which would've led him to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become as bad as the enemies he's fighting against.]]

** In the other, Naraku has protagonists split up within the final dungeon. He shows the warrior Sango that her love interest, the monk Miroku, is about to [[TakingYouWithMe sacrifice himself to try to destroy Naraku]], without realizing that it is only an illusion of Naraku that he would destroy. He uses the AntiHero Sesshoumaru's MoralityPet Rin as a HumanShield, and tries to get Sango to choose to kill Rin in order to destroy him and save Miroku, which would further corrupt the sacred Shikon Jewel with darkness (as well as probably turn Sesshoumaru against Sango and possibly the rest of the protagonists). To top it all off, unbeknownst to her, the Naraku speaking to Sango is actually just ''another'' illusion, so Sango wouldn't actually hurt him or save Miroku at all. [[spoiler: The plan successfully tricks her into trying to sacrifice Rin, contributing to the corruption of the jewel, although the other protagonists manage to save Rin, and Sesshoumaru remains focused on Naraku as the enemy.]]
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** In the other, Naraku has protagonists split up within the final dungeon. He shows the warrior Sango that her love interest, the monk Miroku, is about to [[TakingYouWithMe sacrifice himself to try to destroy Naraku]], without realizing that it is only an illusion of Naraku that he would destroy. He uses the AntiHero Sesshoumaru's MoralityPet Rin as a HumanShield, and tries to get Sango to choose to kill Rin in order to destroy him and save Miroku, which would further corrupt the sacred Shikon Jewel with darkness (as well as probably turn Sesshoumaru against Sango and possibly the rest of the protagonists). To top it all off, unbeknownst to her, the Naraku speaking to Sango is actually just ''another'' illusion, so Sango wouldn't actually hurt him or save Miroku at all. [[spoiler: The plan successfully tricks her into trying to sacrifice Rin, contributing to the corruption of the jewel, although the other protagonists manage to save Rin, and Sesshoumaru remains focused on Naraku as the enemy.enemy (and even refuses the grief-striken Sango's "PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou!").]]
7th Jul '15 11:12:20 PM Llygodenfawr
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->''"Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"''
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->''"Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. [[TropeNamer Strike me down with all of your hatred hatred]] and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"''
5th Jul '15 4:34:12 PM nombretomado
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* LexLuthor does this to Superman in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', taunting Supes to kill him for [[spoiler: apparently causing Flash's death]] so he will become like his [[KnightTemplar Justice Lord]] [[FallenHero counterpart.]]
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* LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor does this to Superman in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', taunting Supes to kill him for [[spoiler: apparently causing Flash's death]] so he will become like his [[KnightTemplar Justice Lord]] [[FallenHero counterpart.]]
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