History Main / StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred

30th Jul '16 11:57:37 AM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The entire plot of ''TheLostSymbol'' by DanBrown deals with this trope.

to:

* %%* The entire plot of ''TheLostSymbol'' ''Literature/TheLostSymbol'' by DanBrown Creator/DanBrown deals with this trope.
15th Jul '16 7:51:00 AM FlakyPorcupine
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* In ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'', the AxCrazy Owen encourages Dwayne to purge him when being held at gunpoint. [[spoiler:He doesn't oblige to that]].
26th Jun '16 10:52:42 PM erforce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


--> -- '''Emperor Palpatine''', ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi]]''

to:

--> -- -->-- '''Emperor Palpatine''', ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi]]''



* Invoked in a way similar to ''Se7en'' in ''[[NoBudget Jim Haggerty's The Slasher]]'', wherein the titular slasher tries to goad the officer hunting him into executing him once caught. [[spoiler:The detective refuses, leading the slasher to mock him mercilessly about how he'll get off easy with a good lawyer. Before his trial, however, the detective [[DoWithHimAsYouWill organizes a group of the families of the slasher's victims to have their way with him instead]].]]

to:

* Invoked in a way similar to ''Se7en'' ''[=Se7en=]'' in ''[[NoBudget Jim Haggerty's The Slasher]]'', wherein the titular slasher tries to goad the officer hunting him into executing him once caught. [[spoiler:The detective refuses, leading the slasher to mock him mercilessly about how he'll get off easy with a good lawyer. Before his trial, however, the detective [[DoWithHimAsYouWill organizes a group of the families of the slasher's victims to have their way with him instead]].]]
26th Apr '16 5:50:11 PM Mullon
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the backstory to ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker basically dares Franchise/{{Superman}} to kill him, after the Joker used Kryptonite-laced fear gas to make Superman kill Lois and his unborn child, which resulted in Metropolis being nuked. This takes place in [[AlternateTimeline an alternate universe to the main one]], so instead of what would be expected, [[TheCape Superman]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope goes]] [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice through]] [[BewareTheSuperman with]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters it.]]

to:

* In the backstory to ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker basically dares Franchise/{{Superman}} to kill him, after the Joker used Kryptonite-laced fear gas to make Superman kill Lois and his unborn child, which resulted in Metropolis being nuked. This takes place in [[AlternateTimeline an alternate universe to the main one]], so instead of what would be expected, [[TheCape Superman]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope goes]] [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice through]] [[BewareTheSuperman with]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters it.]]
25th Feb '16 11:07:27 PM jormis29
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Played with in the last episode of season 4 of ''CovertAffairs'', in which Henry Wilcox gives Annie a NotSoDifferent speech, slides her a gun, and dares her to shoot him. The gun has no bullets in it, and Annie guesses as much without even bothering to try shooting him first, as she knows ''exactly'' how Henry works.

to:

* Played with in the last episode of season 4 of ''CovertAffairs'', ''Series/CovertAffairs'', in which Henry Wilcox gives Annie a NotSoDifferent speech, slides her a gun, and dares her to shoot him. The gun has no bullets in it, and Annie guesses as much without even bothering to try shooting him first, as she knows ''exactly'' how Henry works.
21st Jan '16 8:06:18 PM Adept
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]

to:

* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren.''Manga/HaouAire''n. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]
24th Dec '15 6:15:14 AM CassandraLeo
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** In a rather NightmareFuel-inducing use of this trope, the Daleks in "Hell Bent" beg the Doctor to do this to them because they are trapped in an AndIMustScream-inducing prison. FridgeHorror kicks in when you remember that earlier in the season it was revealed that the Daleks' speech circuitry rewords the Daleks' speech for them, so they might be saying something ''even more extreme'' than "Exterminate me!".
11th Dec '15 12:13:21 PM ChaoticNovelist
Is there an issue? Send a Message


So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but the villain actually wants this. He practically goads the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.

to:

So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but and the villain actually wants this. them to take it. He practically goads ''goads'' the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.



The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. [[ICannotSelfTerminate But they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive.

Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]]

GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy.

Can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.

to:

The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. die]], [[ICannotSelfTerminate But but they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive.

Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]]

restraints]]. This could then lead to HeroWithBadPublicity ''because'' he lacks such restraints; [[WoundedGazelleGambit who looks like the aggressor in this situation?]]

GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May It may also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy.

Can It can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.



* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]

to:

* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. Doing so will awaken "The Battosai" premanently. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]
26th Nov '15 7:10:56 PM NOYB
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* WordOfGod says that this is why Obi-Wan doesn't actively finish off Anakin at the end of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Anakin's betrayal and the fight had left him in a bad place mentally, and if he killed him as it was, he'd leave himself open to the dark side's influence and possibly be around for Palpatine to show up and kill him, or leave Padme to die.

to:

* WordOfGod says that this is why Obi-Wan doesn't actively finish off Anakin at the end of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''; Anakin's betrayal and the fight had left him in a bad place mentally, and if he killed him as it was, he'd leave himself open to the dark side's Dark Side's influence and possibly be around for Palpatine to show up and kill him, or leave Padme to die.
10th Oct '15 4:49:50 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The [[NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] a few times.

to:

* The [[NormanOsborn [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] a few times.
This list shows the last 10 events of 184. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred