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5th Sep '16 5:00:41 PM TheHeroHartmut
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--> '''Legato''': ''It's alright, kill me. It's simple. All you need do is pull the trigger. Once you've killed me, this will all be over. Come on. Time to choose. You have free will.''

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--> '''Legato''': '''Legato:''' ''It's alright, kill me. It's simple. All you need do is pull the trigger. Once you've killed me, this will all be over. Come on. Time to choose. You have free will.''



* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in ''Manga/HaouAire''n. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]

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* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in ''Manga/HaouAire''n.''Manga/HaouAiren''. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]



** In the other, Naraku has protagonists split up within the final dungeon. He shows the warrior Sango that her love interest, the monk Miroku, is about to [[TakingYouWithMe sacrifice himself to try to destroy Naraku]], without realizing that it is only an illusion of Naraku that he would destroy. He uses the AntiHero Sesshoumaru's MoralityPet Rin as a HumanShield, and tries to get Sango to choose to kill Rin in order to destroy him and save Miroku, which would further corrupt the sacred Shikon Jewel with darkness (as well as probably turn Sesshoumaru against Sango and possibly the rest of the protagonists). To top it all off, unbeknownst to her, the Naraku speaking to Sango is actually just ''another'' illusion, so Sango wouldn't actually hurt him or save Miroku at all. [[spoiler: The plan successfully tricks her into trying to sacrifice Rin, contributing to the corruption of the jewel, although the other protagonists manage to save Rin, and Sesshoumaru remains focused on Naraku as the enemy (and even refuses the grief-striken Sango's "PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou!").]]

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** In the other, Naraku has protagonists split up within the final dungeon. He shows the warrior Sango that her love interest, the monk Miroku, is about to [[TakingYouWithMe sacrifice himself to try to destroy Naraku]], without realizing that it is only an illusion of Naraku that he would destroy. He uses the AntiHero Sesshoumaru's MoralityPet Rin as a HumanShield, and tries to get Sango to choose to kill Rin in order to destroy him and save Miroku, which would further corrupt the sacred Shikon Jewel with darkness (as well as probably turn Sesshoumaru against Sango and possibly the rest of the protagonists). To top it all off, unbeknownst to her, the Naraku speaking to Sango is actually just ''another'' illusion, so Sango wouldn't actually hurt him or save Miroku at all. [[spoiler: The plan successfully tricks her into trying to sacrifice Rin, contributing to the corruption of the jewel, although the other protagonists manage to save Rin, and Sesshoumaru remains focused on Naraku as the enemy (and even refuses the grief-striken grief-stricken Sango's "PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou!").]]



* There was a Franchise/{{Superman}} story arc where [[NinetiesAntiHero Manchester Black]], a "superhero" from ''waaaaay'' down [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism the cynical end of the scale]] messes with Superman's life in an attempt to get him to admit that idealism has its limits. Culminates with him (apparently) killing Lois Lane right in front of Superman, willing to accept the consequences because if Superman snaps and kills him that means he was right all along. [[spoiler:He fails, of course.]]
* The [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] a few times.

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* There was a In the Franchise/{{Superman}} story arc where ''What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?'' (adapted into the animated film ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite''), [[NinetiesAntiHero Manchester Black]], a "superhero" from ''waaaaay'' down [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism the cynical end of the scale]] scale]], messes with Superman's life in an attempt to get him to admit that idealism has its limits. Culminates with him (apparently) killing Lois Lane right in front of Superman, willing to accept the consequences because if Superman snaps and kills him that means he was right all along. [[spoiler:He fails, of course.]]
* The [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] has tried this on [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] ComicBook/SpiderMan a few times.



* In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', this is what Master Xehanort has been doing to Terra all the way up to their final confrontation [[spoiler: in order to make sure Terra's heart is at it's weakest so that he can BodySurf into a younger, healthier body.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', this is what Master Xehanort has been doing to Terra all the way up to their final confrontation [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in order to make sure Terra's heart is at it's weakest so that he can BodySurf into a younger, healthier body.]]



* In Lunar 2:Eternal Blue, Lucia has the Big Bad Zophar in her sights and ready for her to finish. The rest of the party wonder why she's taking so long to do it and even Zophar starts telling her to do it. The reason she's hesitating as Zophar reveals is [[spoiler: the only way to kill Zophar completely would result in the total eradication of all life on Lunar as well.]]

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* In Lunar 2:Eternal Blue, ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue'', Lucia has the Big Bad Zophar in her sights and ready for her to finish. The rest of the party wonder why she's taking so long to do it and even Zophar starts telling her to do it. The reason she's hesitating as Zophar reveals is [[spoiler: the only way to kill Zophar completely would result in the total eradication of all life on Lunar as well.]]



* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick,'' Belkar (a ChaoticEvil protagonist) tries to get Miko (a nominally LawfulGood antagonist) to do this, just so she'd lose her paladin powers... and then Belkar could just get himself resurrected to mock her.
** Vaarsuvius later points out to Belkar that the Order of the Stick lacks the actual resources to resurrect him. To be fair, by then we already ''know'' that Wisdom is Belkar's {{dump stat}}.

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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick,'' Belkar (a ChaoticEvil protagonist) tries to get Miko (a nominally LawfulGood antagonist) to do this, just so she'd lose her paladin powers... and then Belkar could just get himself resurrected to mock her.
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her. Vaarsuvius later points out to Belkar that the Order of the Stick lacks the actual resources to resurrect him. To be fair, by then we already ''know'' that Wisdom is Belkar's {{dump stat}}.DumpStat.



* ComicBook/LexLuthor does this to Superman in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', taunting Supes to kill him for [[spoiler: apparently causing Flash's death]] so he will become like his [[KnightTemplar Justice Lord]] [[FallenHero counterpart.]]

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor does this to Superman in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', taunting Supes to kill him for [[spoiler: apparently [[spoiler:apparently causing Flash's death]] so he will become like his [[KnightTemplar Justice Lord]] [[FallenHero counterpart.]]



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30th Aug '16 11:56:50 AM dclark
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** Sith Warrior players can get in on this, too. At one point Warriors have the option to mock a pair of Jedi while steadfastly refusing to pull their weapon first- even claiming to be a better Jedi than the Knights he's facing! It actually works on one of them, but he doesn't live long enough to regret or revel in his fall to the Dark Side.
30th Jul '16 11:57:37 AM nombretomado
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* The entire plot of ''TheLostSymbol'' by DanBrown deals with this trope.

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* %%* The entire plot of ''TheLostSymbol'' ''Literature/TheLostSymbol'' by DanBrown Creator/DanBrown deals with this trope.
15th Jul '16 7:51:00 AM FlakyPorcupine
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* In ''Film/ThePurgeElectionYear'', the AxCrazy Owen encourages Dwayne to purge him when being held at gunpoint. [[spoiler:He doesn't oblige to that]].
26th Jun '16 10:52:42 PM erforce
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--> -- '''Emperor Palpatine''', ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi]]''

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--> -- -->-- '''Emperor Palpatine''', ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi]]''



* Invoked in a way similar to ''Se7en'' in ''[[NoBudget Jim Haggerty's The Slasher]]'', wherein the titular slasher tries to goad the officer hunting him into executing him once caught. [[spoiler:The detective refuses, leading the slasher to mock him mercilessly about how he'll get off easy with a good lawyer. Before his trial, however, the detective [[DoWithHimAsYouWill organizes a group of the families of the slasher's victims to have their way with him instead]].]]

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* Invoked in a way similar to ''Se7en'' ''[=Se7en=]'' in ''[[NoBudget Jim Haggerty's The Slasher]]'', wherein the titular slasher tries to goad the officer hunting him into executing him once caught. [[spoiler:The detective refuses, leading the slasher to mock him mercilessly about how he'll get off easy with a good lawyer. Before his trial, however, the detective [[DoWithHimAsYouWill organizes a group of the families of the slasher's victims to have their way with him instead]].]]
26th Apr '16 5:50:11 PM Mullon
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* In the backstory to ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker basically dares Franchise/{{Superman}} to kill him, after the Joker used Kryptonite-laced fear gas to make Superman kill Lois and his unborn child, which resulted in Metropolis being nuked. This takes place in [[AlternateTimeline an alternate universe to the main one]], so instead of what would be expected, [[TheCape Superman]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope goes]] [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice through]] [[BewareTheSuperman with]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters it.]]

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* In the backstory to ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker basically dares Franchise/{{Superman}} to kill him, after the Joker used Kryptonite-laced fear gas to make Superman kill Lois and his unborn child, which resulted in Metropolis being nuked. This takes place in [[AlternateTimeline an alternate universe to the main one]], so instead of what would be expected, [[TheCape Superman]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope goes]] [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice through]] [[BewareTheSuperman with]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters it.]]
25th Feb '16 11:07:27 PM jormis29
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* Played with in the last episode of season 4 of ''CovertAffairs'', in which Henry Wilcox gives Annie a NotSoDifferent speech, slides her a gun, and dares her to shoot him. The gun has no bullets in it, and Annie guesses as much without even bothering to try shooting him first, as she knows ''exactly'' how Henry works.

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* Played with in the last episode of season 4 of ''CovertAffairs'', ''Series/CovertAffairs'', in which Henry Wilcox gives Annie a NotSoDifferent speech, slides her a gun, and dares her to shoot him. The gun has no bullets in it, and Annie guesses as much without even bothering to try shooting him first, as she knows ''exactly'' how Henry works.
21st Jan '16 8:06:18 PM Adept
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* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]

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* [[spoiler: Reilan]] does this in HaouAiren.''Manga/HaouAire''n. [[spoiler: When Hakuron rescues Kurumi from being gangraped by Reilan's henchmen, instead of giving in she begins to arrogantly taunt him, saying among other things that this is her revenge [[CorruptTheCutie for having her innocence stolen away by him]], and warning Kurumi [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness that she will be thrown away later]]. This being Hakuron, he ''does'' shoot Reilan dead... [[ThanatosGambit And this is what she actually wanted]].]]
24th Dec '15 6:15:14 AM CassandraLeo
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** In a rather NightmareFuel-inducing use of this trope, the Daleks in "Hell Bent" beg the Doctor to do this to them because they are trapped in an AndIMustScream-inducing prison. FridgeHorror kicks in when you remember that earlier in the season it was revealed that the Daleks' speech circuitry rewords the Daleks' speech for them, so they might be saying something ''even more extreme'' than "Exterminate me!".
11th Dec '15 12:13:21 PM ChaoticNovelist
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So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but the villain actually wants this. He practically goads the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.

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So the hero has a chance to kill the BigBad, or some other villain, but and the villain actually wants this. them to take it. He practically goads ''goads'' the hero into doing so. Often it's because MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning, or the villain is invoking IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim and wants to push the hero [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope off the Slippery Slope]] like TheCorrupter.



The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. [[ICannotSelfTerminate But they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive.

Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]]

GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy.

Can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.

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The other times, the villain ''really'' does [[DeathSeeker want to die]]. die]], [[ICannotSelfTerminate But but they can't]], so they [[SuicideByCop goad the hero into killing them]]. After which they explain their true motive.

Whether this works or not depends largely on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, but it does make for great dramatic tension no matter what. Heck, at least part of the time, the villain is [[YouWouldntShootMe taunting the hero because they know he won't do it]]. This also means that the success or failure of this gambit hinges on whether or not the hero has any preexisting qualms about killing. Said villain might try this on an AntiHero (especially with more extreme cases) and get his ass handed to him, due to the hero's [[TheUnfettered lack of such moral restraints.]]

restraints]]. This could then lead to HeroWithBadPublicity ''because'' he lacks such restraints; [[WoundedGazelleGambit who looks like the aggressor in this situation?]]

GenreSavvy villains beware, this can also easily backfire if the hero realizes what the villain is trying to trick him into doing precisely ''[[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame because]]'' [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame of the evil gloating.]] May It may also backfire if the hero counters this with NotWorthKilling or CruelMercy.

Can It can overlap with WhatYouAreInTheDark. Compare with ThePowerOfHate which is a focus of the power hate gives. Contrast GetItOverWith. The villain may employ taunts like pushing the RelativeButton, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims, or asking WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied in order to get the hero to strike.



* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]

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* In ''Anime/RurouniKenshin'', Jin-e is perfectly willing to die just to make Kenshin break his oath not to kill. Doing so will awaken "The Battosai" premanently. [[spoiler: It fails at the last moment, thanks to Kaoru, so Jin-e is DrivenToSuicide instead.]]
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