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5th May '16 4:23:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* [[https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nil Nil]] is an esoteric programming language based around the idea that your computer could interpret programming code as one. The interpreter in this programming language basically splits whole statements into pieces through a process that is known as "atomization". After that is done it determines that each part of the code is essentially meaningless. It then adds up all the meaningless stuff in the code and concludes that the entire operation is meaningless. It is therefore more expressive to implement an interpreter for itself, much more concisely than many 'proper' languages can and is very closely related to human language. Some even managed to process the entire old testament through this thing and it ended up barely comprehending it.
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5th May '16 4:11:08 PM UtterCourt
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** It's worth noting that there's a great deal less reverence or seriousness than this description implies, however. Kafuka's optimism is later revealed to be the result a minor brain defect that gives her dangerously high levels of serotonin, and most of the time Nozomu turns out to have been attention-seeking or being dramatic for the sake of it instead of genuinely suicidal.

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** *** It's worth noting that there's a great deal less reverence or seriousness than this description implies, however. Kafuka's optimism is later revealed to be the result a minor brain defect that gives her dangerously high levels of serotonin, and most of the time Nozomu turns out to have been attention-seeking or being dramatic for the sake of it instead of genuinely suicidal.



* ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'': Sensui, the rogue Spirit Detective. He went on to use [[BrownNote the Chapter Black]] to turn the people that would become his team into Straw Nihilist people as well.

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* ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'': Sensui, the rogue Spirit Detective. He went on to use [[BrownNote the Chapter Black]] to turn the people that would become his team into Straw Nihilist Amorally-Nihilistic people as well.
29th Apr '16 2:04:27 PM erazor0707
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* ''Fanfic/SoulEaterTroubledSouls'':
** Cancer Lucrenian is disgusted with the world and her whole motive is to complete Project Omega so it can destroy it. She sees the world as self-destructive and full of lies, discrimination, and injustice. She wants nothing more than to create a new world without these flaws and, especially, one without hope.
-->'''Cancer:''': So naïve to the ways of the world, so full of optimism and hope. I, however, have seen the world for how it truly is. Despair is the only truth in this world of lies and hypocrisy. This world is not worth the dirt we walk upon. Unless it is destroyed and remade properly, it will remain that way, a diseased mire, and everyone humans, witches, and other creatures alike shall continue to dance like court jesters to its incomprehensible whims. If you live long enough, you shall see it sooner or later, even if ''[[HopeCrusher I]]'' must be the one to teach you that.
** Walena Devilana. She holds the view "The world has neither justice, god, nor order" and sneers that "It's all nothing but wretched extravagance."
25th Apr '16 11:14:33 AM hydrix
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* [[https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nil Nil]] is an esoteric programming language based around the idea that your computer could interpret programming code as one. The interpreter in this programming language basically splits whole statements into pieces through a process that is known as "atomization". After that is done it determines that each part of the code is essentially meaningless. It then adds up all the meaningless stuff in the code and concludes that the entire operation is meaningless. It is therefore more expressive to implement an interpreter for itself, much more concisely than many 'proper' languages can and is very closely related to human language. Some even managed to process the entire old testament through this thing and it ended up barely comprehending it.
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14th Apr '16 2:19:38 PM merotoker
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These are one of the inhabitants of the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. Their ability to play [[MindScrew existential mind games]] and [[WhatYouAreInTheDark force the audience into ethical dilemmas]] make them a popular sage in the OntologicalMystery genre and amoral {{Crapsack World}}s. Sometimes they serve as MrExposition, while other times, everything they say is a FauxlosophicNarration or even a RedHerring, or they're a mix of all of them. But if done badly, they can end up looking like a gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}, making people only get puzzled on why they haven't killed themselves yet.

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These are one of the inhabitants of the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism.SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. Their ability to play [[MindScrew existential mind games]] and [[WhatYouAreInTheDark force the audience into ethical dilemmas]] make them a popular sage in the OntologicalMystery genre and amoral {{Crapsack World}}s. Sometimes they serve as MrExposition, while other times, everything they say is a FauxlosophicNarration or even a RedHerring, or they're a mix of all of them. But if done badly, they can end up looking like a gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}, making people only get puzzled on why they haven't killed themselves yet.



* Nozomu Itoshiki from ''Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei'' is a parody of the LargeHam StrawNihilist who constantly rants about Despair. When his name is written horizontally it resembles zetsubō (絶望?, "beyond hope" or "despair"), befitting his extremely negative, paranoid and pessimistic attitude. He often shouts "I'm in despair!" and attempts suicide several times. It needed Kafuka, [[WideEyedIdealist a girl who can only see the positive in life]], to complement him and talk him out of suicide. On other occasions, Nozomu challenges his students to think about the ''negative'' aspects of something usually considered positive.

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* Nozomu Itoshiki from ''Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei'' is a parody of the LargeHam StrawNihilist version who constantly rants about Despair. When his name is written horizontally it resembles zetsubō (絶望?, "beyond hope" or "despair"), befitting his extremely negative, paranoid and pessimistic attitude. He often shouts "I'm in despair!" and attempts suicide several times. It needed Kafuka, [[WideEyedIdealist a girl who can only see the positive in life]], to complement him and talk him out of suicide. On other occasions, Nozomu challenges his students to think about the ''negative'' aspects of something usually considered positive.



* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Charles zi Britannia conceals this characteristic under the façade of SocialDarwinism [[spoiler:alongside his wife, Marianne (they later attempt to reunite the dead with the living and satisfy everyone who's ever existed [[{{Instrumentality}} by destroying the will of humanity]]; [[KarmicDeath needless to say]], [[NoOntologicalInertia it didn't work]])]].

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Charles zi Britannia conceals this characteristic under the façade of SocialDarwinism [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinism]] [[spoiler:alongside his wife, Marianne (they later attempt to reunite the dead with the living and satisfy everyone who's ever existed [[{{Instrumentality}} by destroying the will of humanity]]; [[KarmicDeath needless to say]], [[NoOntologicalInertia it didn't work]])]].



** [[BiggerBad Madara Uchiha]] is probably the biggest example in the series. He's the one who made [[spoiler:[[BigBad Obito]]]] this way.

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** [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain Madara Uchiha]] is probably the biggest example in the series. He's the one who made [[spoiler:[[BigBad Obito]]]] this way.



* ''Anime/CowboyBebop'': Vicious is a slightly less over the top and more realistic version of this trope than many, being a nihilistic, ruthless, sociopathic {{Yakuza}} who holds that there is nothing in this world to believe in.
** Vincent, the BigBad from the movie, also fits.

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* ''Anime/CowboyBebop'': Vicious is a slightly less over the top and more realistic version of this trope than many, being a nihilistic, ruthless, sociopathic {{Yakuza}} who holds that there is nothing in this world to believe in.
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in. Vincent, the BigBad from the movie, also fits.



** [[Main/AvertedTrope Averted]] with [[BridgeBunnies Shigeru Aoba]]. [[Main/WordOfGod Word of God]] has it that he's a Nihilist, but he's still shown to be easy-going and generally a decent person.

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** [[Main/AvertedTrope Averted]] {{Averted|Trope}} with [[BridgeBunnies Shigeru Aoba]]. [[Main/WordOfGod Word of God]] Aoba]]. Main/WordOfGod has it that he's a Nihilist, but he's still shown to be easy-going and generally a decent person.



*** Some might argue that Rorschach's [[spoiler:making the psychiatrist "realize" that man is meaningless has made him he no longer care about his career but he now more genuinely wants to help strangers.]]
** Finally, we have the BigBad, who[[spoiler: only ''pretends'' to be this trope. In truth, Ozymandias can't bring himself to view the annihilation of humanity with indifference, and feels compelled to avert the apocalypse even if he has to murder millions of people to do it. In the end, only Dr. Manhattan is in a position to judge him, and in typically detached fashion, he declines to do so.]]

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*** Some might argue that Rorschach's [[spoiler:making the psychiatrist "realize" that man is meaningless has made him he no longer care about his career but he now more genuinely wants to help strangers.]]
strangers]].
** Finally, we have the BigBad, who[[spoiler: only ''pretends'' to be this trope. In truth, Ozymandias can't bring himself to view the annihilation of humanity with indifference, and feels compelled to avert the apocalypse even if he has to murder millions of people to do it. In the end, only Dr. Manhattan is in a position to judge him, and in typically detached fashion, he declines to do so.]]so]].



* TAO from the Comicbook/{{Wildstorm}} Universe. As mentioned in Ed Brubaker's Sleeper: "The Tactical Augmented Organism (TAO) looked at life and saw Chaos and Order. Humanity's denial of Chaos appalled him. So he would tear it all down and fill the world with chaos,if only to watch mankind cling to their illusions as they burned around them."

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* TAO from the Comicbook/{{Wildstorm}} Universe. As mentioned in Ed Brubaker's Sleeper: "The Tactical Augmented Organism (TAO) looked at life and saw Chaos and Order. Humanity's denial of Chaos appalled him. So he would tear it all down and fill the world with chaos,if chaos, if only to watch mankind cling to their illusions as they burned around them."



* Grimjack's [[LukeIMightBeYourFather Uncle Jack]]. As a Fey he can see into the future and knows how he will die. Not only that it's hinted he has observed the ending of the entire Multiverse. A young grimjack asks why he doesn't change anything if he knows so much. He responds by saying that ''"nothing we do matters, not in the long run. Nothing we achieve or destroy matters. Love, friendship, family, honor, wisdom, knowledge, power,-- none of it really matters, because none of it lasts. It's all mortal, every endeavor, every accomplishment. Even our Gods become food for worms. Some day even the worms will end, and there shall be nothing".'' It explains why he's still living with his brother's family mooching off and [[LazyBum hardly working]] or [[BrilliantButLazy doing anything]] for that matter. He also [[TheAlcoholic drinks]] alot to forget how he will die. Eventually [[spoiler: his older brother finds out he slept with his first wife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath smashes his face]] repeatedly on the stone fireplace, one eye popping out, his jaw splitting open falling on the floor.]]

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* Grimjack's [[LukeIMightBeYourFather Uncle Jack]]. As a Fey he can see into the future and knows how he will die. Not only that it's hinted he has observed the ending of the entire Multiverse. A young grimjack asks why he doesn't change anything if he knows so much. He responds by saying that ''"nothing we do matters, not in the long run. Nothing we achieve or destroy matters. Love, friendship, family, honor, wisdom, knowledge, power,-- none of it really matters, because none of it lasts. It's all mortal, every endeavor, every accomplishment. Even our Gods become food for worms. Some day even the worms will end, and there shall be nothing".'' It explains why he's still living with his brother's family mooching off and [[LazyBum hardly working]] or [[BrilliantButLazy doing anything]] for that matter. He also [[TheAlcoholic drinks]] alot to forget how he will die. Eventually [[spoiler: his older brother finds out he slept with his first wife and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath smashes his face]] repeatedly on the stone fireplace, one eye popping out, his jaw splitting open falling on the floor.]] floor]].



* ''ImmortalitySyndrome'' turns its sufferers into this in WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls DarkFic of the same name and its sequels. It's WhoWantsToLiveForever cranked UpToEleven, caused by [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and remembering how you died -- [[TheNothingAfterDeath and what came after]].

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* ''ImmortalitySyndrome'' ''FanFic/ImmortalitySyndrome'' turns its sufferers into this in WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls DarkFic of the same name and its sequels. It's WhoWantsToLiveForever cranked UpToEleven, caused by [[CameBackWrong coming back wrong]] and remembering how you died -- [[TheNothingAfterDeath and what came after]].



* In ''WebAnimation/DiamondInTheRoughTouhou'', [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Mokou]] is portrayed as an example of this trope. Since she's immortal, all life lost its meaning to her and does anything to stave off her boredom, from guiding lost people in the forest and incinerating fields. She accidentally killed lots of children whom Yuuka was hiding but decided that they would be replaced in nine months.]]

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* In ''WebAnimation/DiamondInTheRoughTouhou'', [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Mokou]] is portrayed as an example of this trope. Since she's immortal, all life lost its meaning to her and does anything to stave off her boredom, from guiding lost people in the forest and incinerating fields. She accidentally killed lots of children whom Yuuka was hiding but decided that they would be replaced in nine months.]]months]].



* Merrilay from ''Fanfic/BadFutureCrusaders'' believes that all emotions and notions like good and evil don't have any meaning because of how easily they can be manipulated via {{Brainwashing}} spells, [[spoiler:because she was conceived while Big Macintosh and Cheerilee were under the effects of the [[LovePotion love poison]] in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay "Hearts and Hooves Day"]].]]

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* Merrilay from ''Fanfic/BadFutureCrusaders'' believes that all emotions and notions like good and evil don't have any meaning because of how easily they can be manipulated via {{Brainwashing}} spells, [[spoiler:because she was conceived while Big Macintosh and Cheerilee were under the effects of the [[LovePotion love poison]] in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay "Hearts and Hooves Day"]].]]Day"]]]].



* [[EvilTwin Owlman]] becomes one in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'' after he finds out that [[spoiler: there is a [[TheMultiverse multiverse of universes out there, each Earth in each universe representing a different possiblity]], and thus decides that choices are ultimately pointless]]. This actually takes a rather interesting twist in the final battle, [[spoiler:where Batman teleports Owlman and his [[EarthShatteringKaboom planet-destroying device]] to a barren, frozen wasteland of a parallel Earth. Owlman frees himself, then looks at the bomb, which is near the end of its countdown, and the Abort button is right there in front of him. Smiling, Owlman says "It doesn't matter." and lets the bomb go off, killing him. Which in fact is no twist at all but only highlighting the conflict between Owlman and Batman. The movie shows one Owlman decline to abort but that is only because it does not show the Owlman who does abort. Does this make every choice meaningless or does it make every choice meaningful?]]



* Characters based on Leopold and Loeb (such as the protagonists of Creator/AlfredHitchcock's ''Theatre/{{Rope}}'') are pretty much always portrayed as Straw Nihilists. Somewhat {{justified}} in that the real Leopold and Loeb actually ''did'' rationalize their crime with Nietzsche's philosophy.

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* Characters based on Leopold and Loeb (such as the protagonists of Creator/AlfredHitchcock's ''Theatre/{{Rope}}'') are pretty much always portrayed as Straw Nihilists. Somewhat {{justified}} {{justified|Trope}} in that the real Leopold and Loeb actually ''did'' rationalize their crime with Nietzsche's philosophy.



* Creator/HPLovecraft, pioneer of the CosmicHorrorStory, takes the Straw Nihilist mentality UpToEleven (without the OmnicidalManiac sociopathy though), with his stories focusing on the insignificance of human life compared to the indifference of the cosmos as a whole, vast eldritch discoveries and other {{things man was not meant to know}} out there. Lovecraft even developed an entire philosophy called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism Cosmicism]].

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* Creator/HPLovecraft, pioneer of the CosmicHorrorStory, takes the Straw Nihilist mentality UpToEleven (without the OmnicidalManiac sociopathy though), with his stories focusing on the insignificance of human life compared to the indifference of the cosmos as a whole, vast eldritch discoveries and other {{things [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow things man was not meant to know}} know]] out there. Lovecraft even developed an entire philosophy called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism Cosmicism]].



* The Old Man in Whorehouse in Joseph Heller's Literature/{{Catch-22}}, although he is more of the Hedonist type.

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* The Old Man in Whorehouse in Joseph Heller's Literature/{{Catch-22}}, ''Literature/CatchTwentyTwo'', although he is more of the Hedonist type.



** [[TheDragon Ishamael/Moridin]] from the same series, however, gives every sign of being a straight example, being the only one of the GodOfEvil's minions who not only truly understands [[OmnicidalManiac its nature]], but actually joined it for the express purpose of putting reality out of its misery. [[spoiler: It's eventually revealed that Moridin is flat-out ''suicidal'', and his nihilism seems to stem from projecting his own suicidal tendencies on the universe at large]].

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** [[TheDragon Ishamael/Moridin]] from the same series, however, gives every sign of being a straight example, being the only one of the GodOfEvil's minions who not only truly understands [[OmnicidalManiac its nature]], but actually joined it for the express purpose of putting reality out of its misery. [[spoiler: It's eventually revealed that Moridin is flat-out ''suicidal'', and his nihilism seems to stem from projecting his own suicidal tendencies on the universe at large]]. large.]]



* {{Inverted}} in most religions which claim there is a higher meaning in existence and because of that the life we have now is meaningless, disdainful and that to abandon all desire is the best anyone can hope for.

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* {{Inverted}} {{Inverted|Trope}} in most religions which claim there is a higher meaning in existence and because of that the life we have now is meaningless, disdainful and that to abandon all desire is the best anyone can hope for.



* ''StarWars: KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'':

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* ''StarWars: KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'':''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'':



** In the Demon Path, [[spoiler:Shauna becomes this after Trish's suicide]]

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** In the Demon Path, [[spoiler:Shauna becomes this after Trish's suicide]]suicide]].



* Mephiles the Dark from ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'', especially in the Showdown with Mephiles cutscene, where he, in a manner similar to Agent Smith in The Matrix Revolutions, questions why Shadow even attempts to oppose him and defend humanity when he will inevitably be persecuted.
-->'''Mephiles:''' It's futile. The world will betray you. Why fight at all? Why risk your life for those who will persecute you later?

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* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog''
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Mephiles the Dark from ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'', especially in the Showdown with Mephiles cutscene, where he, in a manner similar to Agent Smith in The ''The Matrix Revolutions, Revolutions'', questions why Shadow even attempts to oppose him and defend humanity when he will inevitably be persecuted.
-->'''Mephiles:''' --->'''Mephiles:''' It's futile. The world will betray you. Why fight at all? Why risk your life for those who will persecute you later?



-->'''Zor:''' Only the Reaper wins in the end.

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-->'''Zor:''' --->'''Zor:''' Only the Reaper wins in the end.



* In {{VideoGame/Dota2}}, character Leshrac is this based on his backstory and array of responses. To top it, his lore even says how he was once a philosopher.

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* In {{VideoGame/Dota2}}, ''{{VideoGame/Dota 2}}'', character Leshrac is this based on his backstory and array of responses. To top it, his lore even says how he was once a philosopher.



* [[EvilTwin Owlman]] becomes one in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'' after he finds out that [[spoiler: there is a [[TheMultiverse multiverse of universes out there, each Earth in each universe representing a different possiblity]], and thus decides that choices are ultimately pointless]]. This actually takes a rather interesting twist in the final battle, [[spoiler:where Batman teleports Owlman and his [[EarthShatteringKaboom planet-destroying device]] to a barren, frozen wasteland of a parallel Earth. Owlman frees himself, then looks at the bomb, which is near the end of its countdown, and the Abort button is right there in front of him. Smiling, Owlman says "It doesn't matter." and lets the bomb go off, killing him. Which in fact is no twist at all but only highlighting the conflict between Owlman and Batman. The movie shows one Owlman decline to abort but that is only because it does not show the Owlman who does abort. Does this make every choice meaningless or does it make every choice meaningful?]]
* The Stunticon [[MeaningfulName Dead End]] got to be like this at times during the course of [[TransformersGeneration1 the original]] ''{{Transformers}}'' cartoon. It becomes a bit of a joke when you read his character biography, and learn that [[HypocriticalHumour he is quite vain about his appearance and constantly stays polished and detailed.]] Because if he's gonna die, he's going to leave behind a nice looking corpse.

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* [[EvilTwin Owlman]] becomes one in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'' after he finds out that [[spoiler: there is a [[TheMultiverse multiverse of universes out there, each Earth in each universe representing a different possiblity]], and thus decides that choices are ultimately pointless]]. This actually takes a rather interesting twist in the final battle, [[spoiler:where Batman teleports Owlman and his [[EarthShatteringKaboom planet-destroying device]] to a barren, frozen wasteland of a parallel Earth. Owlman frees himself, then looks at the bomb, which is near the end of its countdown, and the Abort button is right there in front of him. Smiling, Owlman says "It doesn't matter." and lets the bomb go off, killing him. Which in fact is no twist at all but only highlighting the conflict between Owlman and Batman. The movie shows one Owlman decline to abort but that is only because it does not show the Owlman who does abort. Does this make every choice meaningless or does it make every choice meaningful?]]
* The Stunticon [[MeaningfulName Dead End]] got to be like this at times during the course of [[TransformersGeneration1 [[Franchise/TransformersGeneration1 the original]] ''{{Transformers}}'' ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' cartoon. It becomes a bit of a joke when you read his character biography, and learn that [[HypocriticalHumour [[HypocriticalHumor he is quite vain about his appearance and constantly stays polished and detailed.]] Because if he's gonna die, he's going to leave behind a nice looking corpse.
11th Apr '16 8:53:28 PM ultimomant
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** During the Day of Chaos, Discord turned Button Mash into one after tricking him into playing a cursed video game where no action or choice he made mattered, everything he did led to his character dying and the world being destroyed. Since Button's life revolves around video games, he then applied it to real life as well. He eventually snapped out of it thanks to the love of his mother.

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** During the Day of Chaos, Discord turned Button Mash into one after tricking him into playing a cursed video game where no action or choice he made mattered, everything he did led to his character dying and the world being destroyed. Since Button's life revolves around video games, he then applied it to real life as well.well, saying things like the sky is an illusion to hide the fact the universe is already dead. He eventually snapped out of it thanks to the love of his mother.
11th Apr '16 8:06:59 PM ultimomant
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* In the ''FanFic/PonyPOVSeries'', Entropy is this. It makes sense because she is literally the AnthropomorphicPersonification of nothingness and the end of the universe. While she understands concepts like love and feels them, she says it doesn't matter because everything eventually ends. Ironically, this philosophy [[EveryoneHasStandards still enables her to have standards]] -- as several characters point out, being the embodiment of the end of all things also makes her the end of ''suffering''. As such, she is disgusted by beings who like to torment others in perpetuity.

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* In the ''FanFic/PonyPOVSeries'', ''FanFic/PonyPOVSeries'':
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Entropy is this. It makes sense because she is literally the AnthropomorphicPersonification of nothingness and the end of the universe. While she understands concepts like love and feels them, she says it doesn't matter because everything eventually ends. Ironically, this philosophy [[EveryoneHasStandards still enables her to have standards]] -- as several characters point out, being the embodiment of the end of all things also makes her the end of ''suffering''. As such, she is disgusted by beings who like to torment others in perpetuity.perpetuity.
** During the Day of Chaos, Discord turned Button Mash into one after tricking him into playing a cursed video game where no action or choice he made mattered, everything he did led to his character dying and the world being destroyed. Since Button's life revolves around video games, he then applied it to real life as well. He eventually snapped out of it thanks to the love of his mother.
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12th Mar '16 1:50:48 PM eroock
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--> -- '''Creator/FriedrichNietzsche''', ''On Truth and Lies in an Extra-Moral Sense''.

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--> -- '''Creator/FriedrichNietzsche''', ''On Truth and Lies in an Extra-Moral Sense''.
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