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22nd Apr '18 5:44:57 PM eroock
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This is a common problem for sequels of works that end with the protagonist unlocking their full power. Once they get [[SuperWeight too much power]] they win the SuperpowerLottery and become [[PhysicalGod godlike]], or worse, ''[[GodModeSue Suelike]]''. On the other hand, a simple or limited power can lead to viewers [[FridgeLogic asking]] "[[StatingTheSimpleSolution Why don't they just]] use his power of X to do Y and stop the bad guy/get the MacGuffin?". In order to challenge the protagonist the writers will have to [[SlidingScaleOfVillainThreat ramp up the villain's power]], [[JustForFun/HowToStopTheDeusExMachina find a way]] to otherwise [[DeusExitMachina remove or sideline]] them, {{Depower}} them or at least [[PowerLimiter reduce it]] to more reasonable levels, [[BagOfSpilling take away their weapons]], or give them a DramaPreservingHandicap of some sort (see also KryptoniteIsEverywhere ). Otherwise, the character will be TooPowerfulToLive. The easiest way to tell if this trope is in effect is when the writer resorts to handing the protagonist the IdiotBall and ForgotAboutHisPowers to keep the character from using their powers in a straightforward way.

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This is a common problem for sequels of works that end with the protagonist unlocking their full power. Once they get [[SuperWeight too much power]] they win the SuperpowerLottery and become [[PhysicalGod godlike]], or worse, ''[[GodModeSue Suelike]]''. On the other hand, a simple or limited power can lead to viewers [[FridgeLogic asking]] "[[StatingTheSimpleSolution Why don't they just]] use his power of X to do Y and stop the bad guy/get the MacGuffin?". In order to challenge the protagonist the writers will have to [[SlidingScaleOfVillainThreat ramp up the villain's power]], [[JustForFun/HowToStopTheDeusExMachina find a way]] to otherwise [[DeusExitMachina remove or sideline]] them, {{Depower}} them or at least [[PowerLimiter reduce it]] to more reasonable levels, [[BagOfSpilling take away their weapons]], make the power come [[PowerAtAPrice at a price]], or give them a DramaPreservingHandicap of some sort (see also KryptoniteIsEverywhere ). Otherwise, the character will be TooPowerfulToLive. The easiest way to tell if this trope is in effect is when the writer resorts to handing the protagonist the IdiotBall and ForgotAboutHisPowers to keep the character from using their powers in a straightforward way.
16th Apr '18 1:54:13 PM foxmccloud4387
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*** Ironically, this is exactly the reason he loses to [[spoiler: Shirou]] in the ''Unlimited Blade Works'' anime. Gilgamesh relies so much on having the best possible weapon for any situation that he doesn't know how to actually ''use'' any of his massive arsenal. When he's finally forced to go mano-a-mano, his swordsmanship is average at best, and even when he pulls out Ea [[spoiler: he's so slow on the draw that Shiro [[AnArmAndALeg literally]] disarms him before he can swing it]]. Granted, [[VideoGame/FateExtra other]] [[VideoGame/FateExtella material]] has shown he can handle himself competently in melee if he's forced into it, but if an opponent is good enough to get past that hail of weapons, they've usually got the fight in the bag if he's not already anticipating it.

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*** Ironically, this is exactly the reason he loses to [[spoiler: Shirou]] in the ''Unlimited Blade Works'' anime. Gilgamesh relies so much on having the best possible weapon for any situation that he doesn't know how to actually ''use'' any of his massive arsenal. When he's finally forced to go mano-a-mano, his swordsmanship is average at best, and even when he pulls out Ea [[spoiler: he's so slow on the draw that Shiro Shirou [[AnArmAndALeg literally]] disarms him before he can swing it]]. Granted, [[VideoGame/FateExtra other]] [[VideoGame/FateExtella material]] has shown he can handle himself competently in ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'' reflects this weakness of his the best, with his slow melee if he's forced into it, but if an opponent is good enough speed being his biggest downside as a playable character, and during the story proper Karna advises Tamamo to get past that hail of weapons, they've usually got up-close in order to have the fight in the bag if he's not already anticipating it.best chance of beating him.
2nd Mar '18 7:31:44 PM CyberTiger88
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* The main plot of ''VideoGame/PokemonSuperMysteryDungeon'' revolves around the powerful [[OlympusMons Legendary Pokemon]] [[TakenForGranite being petrified by an unknown force]]; unsurprisingly, said force has it all and then some with its list of broken powers. [[spoiler: Dark Matter can not only mind control Pokemon under loosely defined requirements, but can also bestow them its power of turning Pokemon into stone and feeding off of its victims' life energy. This makes it so any Pokemon under Dark Matter's control, no matter their lack of combat prowess, such as Nuzleaf can effortlessly beat Legendaries such as Entei that the heroes up to that point couldn't even touch without their evolution-granting scarves. Should Dark Matter's targets try to run away or manage to corner its minions, it would just send Yveltal, a Legendary Pokemon with dominion over death, to pull the plug, as the Eon Dragons and the other two Legendary Beasts found out. Dark Matter's nature as The Heartless also means that if it's destroyed, it will just be revived eventually and will attempt again to hurl the world into the sun after it absorbed enough life force. How the heck did Dark Matter not succeed in destroying the world in either of its attempts? It has a weakness in the Tree of Life, and the evolution scarfs turn out to be made from the tree, which renders Dark Matter's powers moot when the heroes are nearby the tree. At the end of the game, Dark Matter becomes a rarity in the franchise by being a villain Killed Off For Real, to the relief of the game's denizens and most likely the franchise's writing staff.]]
22nd Feb '18 6:07:44 AM Cryocene
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*** A fully powered Arcueid is one of the most powerful beings in all of Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}. Just to give an insight to just how ridiculously powerful she is, she is even stronger than the above-mentioned Gilgamesh, even at his full power. Even with 70% of her power suppressed, she is strong even for [[OurVampiresAreDifferent True Ancestors]] standards, with [[NighInvulnerability the ability to exist as a spirit and create a new body for herself]] after killed DeaderThanDead by Shiki above, and Marble Phantasm - which via a combination of [[RealityWarper reality-warping & causality manipulation]] can recreate ''any'' kind of phenomena, including ''[[ColonyDrop dropping the Moon on her enemies]]''. And once she gains her [[OneWingedAngel ARCHETYPE-Earth form]] in ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'', WordOfGod states she is ''the most powerful'' entity in the franchise when not counting Servant-like beings and the ORT.

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*** A fully powered Arcueid is one of the most powerful beings in all of Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}. Just to give an insight to just how ridiculously powerful she is, she is even stronger than the above-mentioned Gilgamesh, even at his full power. Even with 70% of her power suppressed, she is strong even for [[OurVampiresAreDifferent True Ancestors]] standards, with [[NighInvulnerability the ability to exist as a spirit and create a new body for herself]] after killed DeaderThanDead by Shiki above, and Marble Phantasm - which via a combination of [[RealityWarper reality-warping & causality manipulation]] can recreate ''any'' kind of phenomena, including ''[[ColonyDrop dropping the Moon on her enemies]]''. And once she gains her [[OneWingedAngel ARCHETYPE-Earth form]] in ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'', WordOfGod states she is ''the most powerful'' entity in the franchise when not counting Servant-like beings and the ORT.TYPE-Mercury/ORT.



*** [[EldritchAbomination The "TYPES"]]... to make a long story short, the being who created Arcueid is one of those (TYPE-Moon), and it can do everything Arcueid can do, if not more. Another, TYPE-Mercury, is stated to be one of two beings tied for the position of "being able to kill all of humanity faster than anything else in existence" (though it is fortunately fast asleep and isn't expected to wake up for a few thousand years), and has been noted to be more powerful than ''anything else'' on Earth before the time of ''Literature/AngelNotes''... where a whole bunch of TYPES from other planets come to Earth to wipe out humanity, something which it is believed even one of them on their own could accomplish.

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*** [[EldritchAbomination The "TYPES"]]... to make a long story short, the being who created Arcueid is one of those (TYPE-Moon), and it can do everything Arcueid can do, if not more. Another, TYPE-Mercury, is stated to be one of two beings tied for the position of "being able to kill all of humanity faster than anything else in existence" (though it in the present time, ORT is fortunately fast asleep currently asleep, and it isn't expected to wake up for a few thousand years), and years). ORT has been noted to be more powerful than ''anything else'' on Earth before the time of ''Literature/AngelNotes''... where a whole bunch of TYPES from other planets come to Earth to wipe out humanity, something which it is believed even one of them on their own could accomplish.
20th Feb '18 7:19:40 PM CyberTiger88
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It's worth clarifying that yes, characters with these powers can and often do have engaging stories, great struggles, and otherwise captivate the audience. When that's the case, it generally is because the writer finds a way to properly ''integrate'' the power into the story rather than just shoehorning it into a stock plot probably originally intended for non-powered characters; ways to do this can for example involve complications that the hero legitimately ''can't'' easily solve by just throwing their power at them, and giving the downsides of having said power some spotlight time as well. In short, whether or not a given power is a "story breaker" depends on the ''story'' in question just as much as it does on the power itself.

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It's worth clarifying that yes, characters with these powers can and often do have engaging stories, great struggles, and otherwise captivate the audience. When that's the case, it generally is because the writer finds a way to properly ''integrate'' the power into the story rather than just shoehorning it into a stock plot probably originally intended for non-powered characters; ways to do this can for example involve [[PowerfulAndHelpless complications that the hero legitimately ''can't'' CAN'T easily solve by just throwing their power at them, them]], and [[NecessaryDrawback giving the downsides of having said power some spotlight time as well.well]]. In short, whether or not a given power is a "story breaker" depends on the ''story'' in question just as much as it does on the power itself.
20th Feb '18 4:54:31 PM Javertshark13
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** There is an Anti Life Note which is immune to the Life Note's powers. (Un)fortunately, the author forgets about this before it has a chance to pay off.

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** There is an Anti Life Note which is immune to the Life Note's powers.powers (except it doesn't work on Near for some reason). (Un)fortunately, the author forgets about this before it has a chance to pay off.
17th Feb '18 1:11:40 PM Chabal2
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** The Ultramarines Primarch was eventually brought out of stasis and allowed to speak with the Emperor and take a good hard look at the way the Imperium has been crumbling since his absence. He started working on getting the Imperium back in shape and actually started making progress... but now the galaxy is somehow even worse off, with massive Warp storms cutting off entire systems.



** [[HordeOfAlienLocusts The Tyranids]] can [[PlanetEater strip a whole planet of biomass, oceans and atmosphere included]], in a matter of months, are effectively [[WeHaveReserves limitless]] (the number of creatures in a swarm is reliant on how much biomass they've consumed, and they've already eaten several ''galaxies''), their HiveMind projects a [[AntiMagic shadow in the warp]] that disrupts psykers and daemons within dozens of light years of it, and most critically they have ''no'' EnemyCivilWar, unlike every other major threat in the setting. Like the Borg mentioned above there has been no good reason given as to why they haven't already eaten everything in the galaxy and been on their merry way.

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** [[HordeOfAlienLocusts The Tyranids]] can [[PlanetEater strip a whole planet of biomass, oceans and atmosphere included]], in a matter of months, are effectively [[WeHaveReserves limitless]] (the number of creatures in a swarm is reliant on how much biomass they've consumed, and they've already eaten several ''galaxies''), their HiveMind projects a [[AntiMagic shadow in the warp]] that disrupts psykers and daemons within dozens of light years of it, and most critically they have ''no'' EnemyCivilWar, unlike every other major threat in the setting. Like the Borg mentioned above there has been no good reason given as to why they haven't already eaten everything in the galaxy and been on their merry way.way except that they don't travel between systems as fast as other species.
16th Feb '18 5:01:07 PM Tropetastic1995
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** Comicbook/{{Quicksilver}}'s SuperSpeed is great enough that he can travel across countries in a few days at most, and everyone around him appears to be standing still while he's running in a fight. He would have been problematic to write around for future films, such as the below-mentioned ''Civil War'', so it's a silent blessing for the writers that he dies in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''.
** According to WordOfGod, this is a major reason both the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk and [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] were excluded from ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. They're so much more powerful than most of the other heroes that they'd tilt the balance of power ridiculously in favor of whichever team they ended up on. Comicbook/TheVision is also used very sparingly during the airport fight scene, not doing much until the end of the battle.

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** As with the X-men Movie franchise version, Comicbook/{{Quicksilver}}'s SuperSpeed rigs many fights in his favour. His speed is great enough that he can travel across countries in a few days at most, vast distances is very short times, and everyone around him appears to be standing still while he's running in a fight. He would have been problematic to write around for future films, such as the below-mentioned ''Civil War'', so it's a silent blessing for the writers that he dies in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''.
** According to WordOfGod, this is a major reason both the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk and [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] were excluded from ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. They're so much more powerful than most of the other heroes that they'd tilt the balance of power ridiculously in favor of whichever team they ended up on. Comicbook/TheVision is also used very sparingly during the airport fight scene, not doing much until the end of the battle.battle, while Spider-Man and Gaint Man-normally powerful but not ridiculously overpowered superheroes- quickly turn the tide of battle for their respective sides.
12th Feb '18 7:14:15 AM Cryocene
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*** A fully powered Arcueid is one of the most powerful beings in all of Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}. Just to give an insight to just how ridiculously powerful she is, she is even stronger than the above-mentioned Gilgamesh, even at his full power. Even with 70% of her power suppressed, she is strong even for [[OurVampiresAreDifferent True Ancestors]] standards, with [[NighInvulnerability the ability to exist as a spirit and create a new body for herself]] after killed DeaderThanDead by Shiki above, and Marble Phantasm - which via a combination of [[RealityWarper reality-warping & causality manipulation]] can recreate ''any'' kind of phenomena, including ''[[ColonyDrop dropping the Moon on her enemies]]'', [[spoiler:and in her [[OneWingedAngel ARCHETYPE-Earth form]] she has no concept of death, meaning one needs to reality-warp her to oblivion to defeat her]].
** ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'': the original Ryougi Shiki's version of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, where she can "kill" pretty much anything - magic, emotions, ghosts, living people, etc. - and her powers work through projectiles, which just screams for a sniper rifle. [[spoiler:And she has an alternate personality that is [[TheOmnipotent absolutely omnipotent]]. Luckily for the sake of the plot, [[AllPowerfulBystander it doesn't bother to do anything]]]].

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*** A fully powered Arcueid is one of the most powerful beings in all of Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}. Just to give an insight to just how ridiculously powerful she is, she is even stronger than the above-mentioned Gilgamesh, even at his full power. Even with 70% of her power suppressed, she is strong even for [[OurVampiresAreDifferent True Ancestors]] standards, with [[NighInvulnerability the ability to exist as a spirit and create a new body for herself]] after killed DeaderThanDead by Shiki above, and Marble Phantasm - which via a combination of [[RealityWarper reality-warping & causality manipulation]] can recreate ''any'' kind of phenomena, including ''[[ColonyDrop dropping the Moon on her enemies]]'', [[spoiler:and in enemies]]''. And once she gains her [[OneWingedAngel ARCHETYPE-Earth form]] in ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'', WordOfGod states she has no concept of death, meaning one needs to reality-warp her to oblivion to defeat her]].
is ''the most powerful'' entity in the franchise when not counting Servant-like beings and the ORT.
** ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'': the original Ryougi Shiki's version of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, where she can "kill" pretty much anything - magic, emotions, ghosts, living people, etc. - and her powers work through projectiles, which just screams for a sniper rifle. [[spoiler:And And she has an alternate personality that has a deep connection to the Root of Creation itself, to the point it was thought to be omnipotent until WordOfGod states it is [[TheOmnipotent absolutely omnipotent]]. just ranked below Archetype Earth in power level. Luckily for the sake of the plot, plot too, [[AllPowerfulBystander it doesn't bother to do anything]]]].anything]] for the most part.



*** [[EldritchAbomination The "TYPES"]]... to make a long story short, the being who created Arcueid is one of those (TYPE-Moon), and it can do everything Arcueid can do, if not more. Another, TYPE-Mercury, is stated to be one of two beings tied for the position of "abel to kill all of humanity faster than anything else in existence", though it is fortunately fast asleep and isn't expected to wake up for a few thousand years. Luckily, they don't contribute much to the plot- up until ''Literature/AngelNotes'', that is, where a whole bunch of them come to Earth to wipe out humanity, something which it is believed even one of them on their own could accomplish.
*** The WorldsStrongestMan, Ado Edem. He possesses an ability called "Slash Emperor" where he creates [[{{BFS}} a titanic sword]] capable of [[RealityWarper cutting through realities]] like a hot knife through a butter. It can ''[[CurbStompBattle one-shot]]'' even the TYPES, and in the story Ado Edem defeated TYPE-Jupiter and TYPE-Saturn without breaking a sweat. The tradeoff is that Slash Emperor consumes raw material to transform into power: when Ado Edem used it against TYPE-Jupiter, he also created an immense gash in the Earth's crust crossing the entirety of North America.

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*** [[EldritchAbomination The "TYPES"]]... to make a long story short, the being who created Arcueid is one of those (TYPE-Moon), and it can do everything Arcueid can do, if not more. Another, TYPE-Mercury, is stated to be one of two beings tied for the position of "abel "being able to kill all of humanity faster than anything else in existence", though existence" (though it is fortunately fast asleep and isn't expected to wake up for a few thousand years. Luckily, they don't contribute much years), and has been noted to be more powerful than ''anything else'' on Earth before the plot- up until ''Literature/AngelNotes'', that is, time of ''Literature/AngelNotes''... where a whole bunch of them TYPES from other planets come to Earth to wipe out humanity, something which it is believed even one of them on their own could accomplish.
*** The WorldsStrongestMan, WorldsStrongestMan during the time of ''Angel Notes'', Ado Edem. He possesses an ability called "Slash Emperor" where he creates [[{{BFS}} a titanic sword]] capable of [[RealityWarper cutting through realities]] like a hot knife through a butter. It can ''[[CurbStompBattle one-shot]]'' even the TYPES, and in the story Ado Edem defeated TYPE-Jupiter and TYPE-Saturn without breaking a sweat. The tradeoff trade-off is that Slash Emperor consumes raw material to transform into power: when Ado Edem used it against TYPE-Jupiter, he also created an immense gash in the Earth's crust crossing the entirety of North America.
5th Jan '18 8:37:09 AM ReynTime250
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** ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' has Hela, the Goddess Of Death. Hela has super strength enough to crush Thor's Hammer, and can take down most of Asgard all by herself with ease. The only reason why she lost was [[spoiler:because of Sutur at full power]], even Hulk and Thor couldn't do anything to her!
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