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30th Sep '17 5:28:37 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Emperor]] Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake due to an incident at the Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, who was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for a shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and she insisted that her husband do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.

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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire [[UsefulNotes/ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Emperor]] Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake due to an incident at the Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, who was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for a shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and she insisted that her husband do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.
25th Aug '17 11:18:19 AM rmctagg09
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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Emperor]] Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake die to an incident at Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, wha was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and he insisted his husband to do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.

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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Emperor]] Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake die due to an incident at the Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, wha who was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for a shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and he she insisted his that her husband to do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.
27th Jun '17 9:51:52 AM morane
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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Empress Consort]] of Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake die to an incident at Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, wha was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and he insisted his husband to do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.

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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Empress Consort]] of Emperor]] Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake die to an incident at Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, wha was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and he insisted his husband to do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.
27th Jun '17 9:50:53 AM morane
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* Subverted by Theodora, the Empress Consort of the [[ByzantineEmpire Byzantine Empress Consort]] of Justinian. During the Nika revolt in 532 AD, when their life was at stake die to an incident at Hippodrome, she insisted to his husband, wha was ready to abdicate and flee: ''Isn't purple a lovely colour for shroud?'' meaning that she was ready to die as the Empress and he insisted his husband to do the same. The revolt was eventually subdued.
8th Dec '16 11:47:28 AM FordPrefect
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* Patrice de MacMahon, the first president of the French Third Republic was an ardent monarchist who disliked the idea of republicanism. This led to a constitutional crisis in 1877 when he dismissed the Parliament, only to have the republicans win an overwhelming victory. Since the French constitution provided for a powerful president, there was a great deal of confusion as to who had the power to do what. Leon Gambetta, the parliamentary leader of the incoming republican factions, demanded that MacMahon should submit (to parliamentary power) or resign. Supposedly, MacMahon replied "J'y suis. J'y reste !" (I'm here. I'm staying here.)

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* Patrice de MacMahon, [=MacMahon=], the first president of the French Third Republic was an ardent monarchist who disliked the idea of republicanism. This led to a constitutional crisis in 1877 when he dismissed the Parliament, only to have the republicans win an overwhelming victory. Since the French constitution provided for a powerful president, there was a great deal of confusion as to who had the power to do what. Leon Gambetta, the parliamentary leader of the incoming republican factions, demanded that MacMahon [=MacMahon=] should submit (to parliamentary power) or resign. Supposedly, MacMahon [=MacMahon=] replied "J'y suis. J'y reste !" (I'm here. I'm staying here.)
6th Dec '16 7:14:31 AM CurledUpWithDakka
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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' [[MagnificentBastard Trieze Khushrenada]] causes one of these. After tricking the Gundam pilots into villifying themselves to the whole world by assassinating the [[TheEmpire Earth Sphere Alliance]] pacifist leaders, Trieze's OZ organization is poised to conquer the world...until he chooses to step down as leader in protest over the use of unmanned mobile dolls in future assaults. He is kept in house arrest in an opulent mansion for several months until the Gundam pilots begin to recover and counterattack and the Romefeller Foundation, Treize's aristocratic sponsors, begins to split apart from the inside. At that point, [[ActualPacifist Relena Peacecraft]] had been installed as Romefeller's leader and, in theory, Queen of the World Nation. Though she was intended to be a figurehead, many of her ideas began to take hold, which raised tensions within the Foundation. Meanwhile, her brother Miliardo had taken control of the White Fang paramilitary group, which controlled most of the military forces in outer space. Since the world was already under a single global command and its leader was unequal to the task of, and unwilling to, prosecute a war, all Trieze had to do was walk in the room and ask Relena to abdicate the title of World Sovereign to him in order to deal with White Fang.

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' [[MagnificentBastard Trieze Khushrenada]] causes one of these. After tricking the Gundam pilots into villifying themselves to the whole world by assassinating the [[TheEmpire Earth Sphere Alliance]] pacifist leaders, Trieze's OZ organization is poised to conquer the world... until he chooses to step down as leader in protest over the use of unmanned mobile dolls in future assaults. He is kept in house arrest in an opulent mansion for several months until the Gundam pilots begin to recover and counterattack and the Romefeller Foundation, Treize's aristocratic sponsors, begins to split apart from the inside. At that point, [[ActualPacifist Relena Peacecraft]] had been installed as Romefeller's leader and, in theory, Queen of the World Nation. Though she was intended to be a figurehead, many of her ideas began to take hold, which raised tensions within the Foundation. Meanwhile, her brother Miliardo had taken control of the White Fang paramilitary group, which controlled most of the military forces in outer space. Since the world was already under a single global command and its leader was unequal to the task of, and unwilling to, prosecute a war, all Trieze had to do was walk in the room and ask Relena to abdicate the title of World Sovereign to him in order to deal with White Fang.



* Used in ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' when Megatron is brought BackFromTheDead and finds out that Starscream has...well...done what [[TheStarscream he does best]].

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* Used in ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' when Megatron is brought BackFromTheDead and finds out that Starscream has...well... well... done what [[TheStarscream he does best]].



* In ''WebVideo/TheGuild'' plays with this trope. Vork abdicates leadership and Codex is elected the new leader. Afterwards he constantly back-seat leads, and Codex [[BewareTheNiceOnes even]] [[BreakTheCutie starts]] snarking back at him that if he's going to criticize her leadership, he can have it back! ... and then begging him to, since she was a horrible leader.
* The guild of Gaea Admirers from ''Franchise/{{Noob}}'' plays with this. The guild got created as an InstantFanClub of sorts for Gaea, a player of another faction that the guild members have mistaken for a DoubleAgent actaully faithful to their own faction. Gaea, being a ManipulativeBastard, decides [[SureLetsGoWithThat to go along with this]] and has the guild's members basically be her minons. The trope gets closer to being played straight when [[spoiler:Gaea gets tired of her current guild, decides to change factions, is made leader of Gaea Admirers, than leaves it, but the guild's status as an InstantFanClub holds despite this. We get to see the guy who took over in the novel version of the story and he considers himself to be a substitute leader while expecting Gaea to come back sooner or later]].

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* In ''WebVideo/TheGuild'' plays with this trope. Vork abdicates leadership and Codex is elected the new leader. Afterwards he constantly back-seat leads, and Codex [[BewareTheNiceOnes even]] [[BreakTheCutie starts]] snarking back at him that if he's going to criticize her leadership, he can have it back! ... and then begging him to, since she was a horrible leader.
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* The guild of Gaea Admirers from ''Franchise/{{Noob}}'' plays with this. The guild got created as an InstantFanClub of sorts for Gaea, a player of another faction that the guild members have mistaken for a DoubleAgent actaully actually faithful to their own faction. Gaea, being a ManipulativeBastard, decides [[SureLetsGoWithThat to go along with this]] and has the guild's members basically be her minons. The trope gets closer to being played straight when [[spoiler:Gaea gets tired of her current guild, decides to change factions, is made leader of Gaea Admirers, than leaves it, but the guild's status as an InstantFanClub holds despite this. We get to see the guy who took over in the novel version of the story and he considers himself to be a substitute leader while expecting Gaea to come back sooner or later]].



** Even then, he and his significant minority of followers continued to spar for control of the Liberal party with Lloyd George until he died in 1928 - this is generally considered to have been the reason the Labour Party were able to rise so swiftly and the reason that the Liberal Party had not even an iota of influence over British politics from 1922 until 2010 (and even in 2010, the Liberals were gone - it was their spiritual successors, the Liberal Democrats). Nice going, Asquith...

* Patrice de MacMahon, the first president of the French Third Republic was an ardent monarchist who disliked the idea of republicanism. This led to a constitutional crisis in 1877 when he dismissed the Parliament, only to have the republicans win an overwhelming victory. Since the French constitution provided for a powerful president, there was a great deal of confusion as to who had the power to do what. Leon Gambetta, the parliamentary leader of the incoming republican factions, demanded that MacMahon should submit (to parliamentary power) or resign. Supposedly, MacMahon replied "J'y suis. J'y reste !" (I'm here. I'm staying here.)

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** Even then, he and his significant minority of followers continued to spar for control of the Liberal party with Lloyd George until he died in 1928 - this is generally considered to have been the reason the Labour Party were able to rise so swiftly and the reason that the Liberal Party had not even an iota of influence over British politics from 1922 until 2010 (and even in 2010, the Liberals were gone - it was their spiritual successors, the Liberal Democrats). Nice going, Asquith...

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* Patrice de MacMahon, the first president of the French Third Republic was an ardent monarchist who disliked the idea of republicanism. This led to a constitutional crisis in 1877 when he dismissed the Parliament, only to have the republicans win an overwhelming victory. Since the French constitution provided for a powerful president, there was a great deal of confusion as to who had the power to do what. Leon Gambetta, the parliamentary leader of the incoming republican factions, demanded that MacMahon should submit (to parliamentary power) or resign. Supposedly, MacMahon replied "J'y suis. J'y reste !" (I'm here. I'm staying here.) )
29th Oct '16 12:55:35 PM nombretomado
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* In ''TheGuild'' plays with this trope. Vork abdicates leadership and Codex is elected the new leader. Afterwards he constantly back-seat leads, and Codex [[BewareTheNiceOnes even]] [[BreakTheCutie starts]] snarking back at him that if he's going to criticize her leadership, he can have it back! ... and then begging him to, since she was a horrible leader.

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* In ''TheGuild'' ''WebVideo/TheGuild'' plays with this trope. Vork abdicates leadership and Codex is elected the new leader. Afterwards he constantly back-seat leads, and Codex [[BewareTheNiceOnes even]] [[BreakTheCutie starts]] snarking back at him that if he's going to criticize her leadership, he can have it back! ... and then begging him to, since she was a horrible leader.
13th Oct '16 6:41:12 PM Tyrathius
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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'': Deanna falls in to this in season 5. She's still the official leader of Alexandria and Rick is at least nominally subordinate to her, but he's far more assertive and focused on taking out the various threats to the community. After [[spoiler: losing her husband and one of her sons]] Deanna falls into a depression and starts [[YesMan deferring to him on everything]], which causes controversy among the other residents who distrust Rick. Eventually she admits to Rick that he's the leader Alexandria needs, and [[spoiler: he's cemented as such when she's killed in "Start to Finish"]].

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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'': Deanna falls in to this in season 5.6. She's still the official leader of Alexandria and Rick is at least nominally subordinate to her, but he's far more assertive and focused on taking out the various threats to the community. After [[spoiler: losing her husband and one of her sons]] Deanna falls into a depression and starts [[YesMan deferring to him on everything]], which causes controversy among the other residents who distrust Rick. Eventually she admits to Rick that he's the leader Alexandria needs, and [[spoiler: he's cemented as such when she's killed in "Start to Finish"]].
4th Jul '16 1:05:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Inverted}} in ''WesternAnimation/RoughnecksTheStarshipTroopersChronicles''. Rico is [[YouAreInCommandNow promoted to Lieutenant]] and officially given command of the Roughnecks, with his old instructor Sergeant Zim being assigned as his senior NCO. Rico repeatedly tries to defer to Zim, and Zim refuses to have any of it because ''Rico'' is in command and should be making the decisions, even if he lets Zim figure out all the details to make them work.

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* {{Inverted}} in ''WesternAnimation/RoughnecksTheStarshipTroopersChronicles''.''WesternAnimation/RoughnecksStarshipTroopersChronicles''. Rico is [[YouAreInCommandNow promoted to Lieutenant]] and officially given command of the Roughnecks, with his old instructor Sergeant Zim being assigned as his senior NCO. Rico repeatedly tries to defer to Zim, and Zim refuses to have any of it because ''Rico'' is in command and should be making the decisions, even if he lets Zim figure out all the details to make them work.
15th May '16 7:30:36 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* This may have happened in the [[Wrestling/{{WWE}} WWF]] when [[DwayneJohnson The Rock]] gradually took over Wrestling/TheNationOfDomination from Farooq.
* Wade Barrett basically said this verbatim after CMPunk took over TheNexus. The other Nexus members disagreed.

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* This may have happened in the [[Wrestling/{{WWE}} WWF]] when [[DwayneJohnson The Rock]] Wrestling/TheRock gradually took over Wrestling/TheNationOfDomination from Farooq.
[[Wrestling/RonSimmons Farooq]].
* Wade Barrett Wrestling/WadeBarrett basically said this verbatim after CMPunk Wrestling/CMPunk took over TheNexus.Wrestling/TheNexus. The other Nexus members disagreed.
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