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24th Mar '17 2:03:39 AM WillBGood
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* ''Literature/TheActsOfCaine'' - The story is set in a SickSadWorld. The [[FacelessGoons mirror masks]] [[Quotes/StateSec of the Social Police]] are iconic of this.

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* ''Literature/TheActsOfCaine'' - The story is set in a SickSadWorld.CrapsackWorld. The [[FacelessGoons mirror masks]] [[Quotes/StateSec of the Social Police]] are iconic of this.
23rd Mar '17 12:08:05 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* StateSec: In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the Christian Marines are effectively a heroic example of this in the Northern Confederation. A militia of former policemen and military veterans who are the ideological backbone of the Confederation's right-wing regime, they spearhead its armies and perform internal-security functions in peacetime.

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* StateSec: In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the Christian Marines are effectively a heroic example of this in the Northern Confederation. A militia of former policemen and military veterans who are the ideological backbone of the Confederation's right-wing regime, they spearhead its armies and perform internal-security functions in peacetime.
23rd Mar '17 12:06:23 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* The Iron Guard in ''Literature/HammersSlammers'' is hinted to be this trope. Personally loyal to President-For–Life Van Vorn, the Guard were "political bullies" than actual soldiers.

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* The Iron Guard in ''Literature/HammersSlammers'' is hinted to be this trope. Personally loyal to President-For–Life Van Vorn, the Guard were "political bullies" rather than actual soldiers.
23rd Mar '17 12:06:02 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* StateSec: In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the Christian Marines are effectively a heroic example of this in the Northern Confederation. A militia of former policemen and military veterans who are the ideological backbone of the Confederation's right-wing regime, they spearhead its armies and perform internal-security functions in peacetime.
5th Mar '17 6:34:21 PM nombretomado
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** In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', [[spoiler: Granny Goodness possesses Alpha Lantern Kraken, captures Batman, and tries to steal the Central Power Battery]]. Real infallibe, and Hal Jordan points it out.
* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} from {{Marvel}} Comics is a intelligence and counter-terrorist agency, that has some pretty spiffy military hardware, including a [[AirborneAircraftCarrier flying aircraft carrier]] armed with an ICBM and a squadron of jets.

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** In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', [[spoiler: Granny Goodness possesses Alpha Lantern Kraken, captures Batman, and tries to steal the Central Power Battery]]. Real infallibe, infallible, and Hal Jordan points it out.
* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} from {{Marvel}} Comics Creator/MarvelComics is a intelligence and counter-terrorist agency, that has some pretty spiffy military hardware, including a [[AirborneAircraftCarrier flying aircraft carrier]] armed with an ICBM and a squadron of jets.
25th Feb '17 1:39:55 AM OldBlindTrope
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State Sec(urity) is a civilian agency or political entity that has its own paramilitary forces. It could be official or unofficial, but it exists to enforce an ideology or support the government. Its something akin to the SecretPolice, but on steroids. Often the organization is on the side of evil, but this is not always the case.

The most powerful versions are autonomous from the regular government and military. They tend to be vast organizations - the secret agents and cloak and dagger stuff are but one subset. Other divisions can include a full-blown paramilitary division to keep the regular army in check and act as a [[PraetorianGuard regime protection force]], a political and administrative division, a propaganda division, an R&D division, you name it. And to make sure State Security stays loyal, there could be an elite force within the organization to keep it in check.

The trope gets its name from the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' book series, where StateSec has its own Space Navy, {{Space Marine}}s, Army, various intelligence organizations, etc... This was in turn inspired by the RealLife Schutzstaffel of [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Germany]], which had the elite Waffen-SS which was pretty much a second German Army for the Nazi party, the Allgemeine-SS which ran the damn thing, and many more. A full list can be found [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS#SS_offices at Wikipedia]]. Needless to say, this trope tends to coincide with PuttingOnTheReich a lot.

Also, it's ''very'' common in RealLife and has been seen throughout history. Political intrigues and favoritism can lead to InterserviceRivalry with the Regular Army. MegaCorp and NGOSuperpower are when corporate or other non-governmental entities wield similar levels of influence, infrastructure and paramilitary power.

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State Sec(urity) is a civilian agency or political entity that has its own paramilitary forces. It could be official or unofficial, but it exists forces -- especially an organization of SecretPolice on steroids, existing to enforce an ideology or support the government. Its something akin to They're sometimes part of the SecretPolice, government, sometimes not, but on steroids. Often the organization is on the side of evil, but this is not always the case.

part of one country, and normally bad news.

The most powerful versions are autonomous from the regular government and military. They tend to These can be vast organizations - the secret agents and cloak and dagger stuff are but organizations, where spying is just one subset. Other divisions can include a full-blown paramilitary division to keep responsibility; they may also have regular military forces ([[ThoseWackyNazis sometimes better-equipped than the regular army in check and act as a army]]), [[PraetorianGuard regime protection force]], regime-protection troops]], a political and administrative division, a propaganda division, an R&D division, you name it.and any number of other subdivisions. And to make sure State Security stays loyal, there could be an elite force within the organization to keep it in check.

The trope gets its name from the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' book series, where StateSec has its own Space Navy, {{Space Marine}}s, Army, various intelligence organizations, etc... and so on. This was in turn inspired by the RealLife Schutzstaffel of [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Germany]], which had the elite Waffen-SS which was pretty much a second German Army for the Nazi party, the Allgemeine-SS which ran the damn thing, and many more. A full list can be found [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS#SS_offices at Wikipedia]]. Needless to say, literally any other responsibility that Himmler could talk Hitler into giving him]]. With such a precedent, this trope tends to coincide has a way of coinciding with PuttingOnTheReich a lot.

Also, it's ''very''
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common in RealLife trope, and has been seen throughout history.is OlderThanTheyThink. Political intrigues and favoritism can lead to InterserviceRivalry with the Regular Army. MegaCorp and NGOSuperpower are when corporate or other non-governmental entities wield similar levels of influence, infrastructure and paramilitary power.
24th Feb '17 4:24:11 AM WillyFourEyes
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* During the Saddam regime, there was a powerful security apparatus set up, but not quite formally unified as other examples. One part was the Iraqi Special Security Organization, which included the Special Republican Guard. It other branches included presidential bodyguards, "security" that monitored Republican Guard loyalty, communications, internal affairs, surveillance, administration, and even a "science" division - which only tested Saddam's food. The Republican Guard was another part of this informal [=StateSec=], serving as a Presidential Guard and didn't fall under the Ministry of Defense. In addition, Saddam also had a separate irregular paramilitary branch loyal to him.

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* During the Saddam UsefulNotes/SaddamHussein regime, there was a powerful security apparatus set up, but not quite formally unified as other examples. One part was the Iraqi Special Security Organization, which included the Special Republican Guard. It Its other branches included presidential bodyguards, "security" that monitored Republican Guard loyalty, communications, internal affairs, surveillance, administration, and even a "science" division - which only tested Saddam's food. The Republican Guard was another part of this informal [=StateSec=], serving as a Presidential Guard and didn't fall under the Ministry of Defense. In addition, Saddam also had a separate irregular paramilitary branch loyal to him.



* The [[ChineseWithChopperSupport People's Liberation Army]] is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, which controls but is distinct from the government of China. The loyalty oath sworn by each PLA soldier contains the statement "I promise that I will follow the leadership of the Communist Party of China."

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* The [[ChineseWithChopperSupport [[UsefulNotes/ChineseWithChopperSupport People's Liberation Army]] is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, which controls but is distinct from the government of China. The loyalty oath sworn by each PLA soldier contains the statement "I promise that I will follow the leadership of the Communist Party of China."
21st Feb '17 6:00:27 AM benda
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* [[MoscowCentre The KGB]] had the Border Guards Chief Directorate, which consisted of 200,000 troops armed with its own tanks, aircraft, and ships. Although their chief task was sealing the border, not army action. ''Internal Troops'', the Interior Ministry gendarmerie corps, would be closer, but they were glorified cops administratively, and thus had much less authority. In addition, the KGB had their own [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spetsnaz]] and [[PraetorianGuard the Kremlin Guard Force]].

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* [[MoscowCentre The KGB]] had the Border Guards Chief Directorate, which consisted of 200,000 troops armed with its own tanks, aircraft, and ships. Although their chief task was sealing the border, not army action. ''Internal Troops'', the Interior Ministry gendarmerie corps, would be closer, but they were glorified cops administratively, and thus had much less authority. In addition, the KGB had their own [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spetsnaz]] ("Alpha" and "Vympel" ("Banner") regiments) and [[PraetorianGuard the Kremlin Guard Force]].



** FSB, Russian successor to KGB, still maintains control over the state border forces.

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** FSB, Russian successor to KGB, still maintains control over "Alpha", "Vympel" and the state border forces.
21st Feb '17 5:56:53 AM benda
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*** As do the other former Soviet republics - the Belarusians were just the only ones not to bother with renaming theirs after the fall of USSR.
** FSB, Russian successor to KGB, still maintains control over the state border forces.
20th Feb '17 7:38:35 PM Mdumas43073
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[[caption-width-right:341: [[GodwinsLaw The most infamous example from]] RealLife.]]

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[[quoteright:341:[[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany [[quoteright:300:[[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/waffen_ss_7242.jpg]]]]
[[caption-width-right:341: [[caption-width-right:300: [[GodwinsLaw The most infamous example from]] RealLife.]]
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