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21st Jun '18 5:31:18 AM JackG
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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'' had the black-clad GasMaskMooks of the Terran Federation, though the exact relationship between the Federation military and its SecretPolice was ill-defined. Some soldiers are stated as being Security, others are [[PraetorianGuards elite guard units working for high-ranking figures]], others are implied to be [[PunchClockVillain ordinary military units]] carrying out the [[JustFollowingOrders dirty work of oppression]].

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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'' had the black-clad GasMaskMooks of the Terran Federation, though the exact relationship between the Federation military and its SecretPolice was ill-defined. Some soldiers are stated as being Security, others are [[PraetorianGuards [[PraetorianGuard elite guard units working for high-ranking figures]], others are implied to be [[PunchClockVillain ordinary military units]] carrying out the [[JustFollowingOrders dirty work of oppression]].
21st Jun '18 5:30:58 AM JackG
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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'' had the black-clad GasMaskMooks of Security, though the exact relationship between the Federation military and its SecretPolice was ill-defined; both wore similar uniforms.

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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'' had the black-clad GasMaskMooks of Security, the Terran Federation, though the exact relationship between the Federation military and its SecretPolice was ill-defined; both wore similar uniforms.ill-defined. Some soldiers are stated as being Security, others are [[PraetorianGuards elite guard units working for high-ranking figures]], others are implied to be [[PunchClockVillain ordinary military units]] carrying out the [[JustFollowingOrders dirty work of oppression]].
21st Jun '18 5:21:27 AM JackG
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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'' had the black-clad GasMaskMooks of Security, though the exact relationship between the Federation military and its SecretPolice was ill-defined; both wore similar uniforms.
14th May '18 10:07:25 AM aurora369
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* The ''Literature/NoonUniverse'' by StrugatskyBrothers has the COMCON-2. Ironically, no matter how "real" and "honest to goodness" Communism is, it can't do without a StateSec.
25th Apr '18 6:27:13 AM Valkyr
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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the Christian Marines are effectively a heroic example of this in the Northern Confederation. A militia of former policemen and military veterans who are the ideological backbone of the Confederation's right-wing regime, they spearhead its armies and perform internal-security functions in peacetime.

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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the Christian Marines are effectively a heroic VillainProtagonist example of this in the Northern Confederation. A militia of former policemen and military veterans who are the ideological backbone of the Confederation's right-wing regime, they spearhead its armies and perform internal-security functions in peacetime.
13th Apr '18 4:29:36 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** Many historians have gone so far as to call the SS a "state within a state", because at their height they not only had their own police, army, intelligence service, administration of the death camps and the ''Einsatzgruppen'' death squads (who shot and forced Hiwi militiamen to shoot over 1.5 milliion Soviet Communists and Jews). They had their own schools, clubs, a medical corps (which included [[MadDoctor Josef Mengele]]), a ''science'' corps, a '''women's''' corp (which were auxiliary, or assistant personnel, as women were not allowed to be members), a Cavalry Corps (which were really just riding clubs), and even their own ''courts''. They were intentionally geared towards being an elite society within but apart-from the rest of Nazi Germany, one that would need as little contact as possible with outsiders. If a member of your family was in the SS, then you basically moved into a completely different social circle. One of Himmler's post-war goals was to turn Schleswig-Holstein into an SS nationstate.

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** Many historians have gone so far as to call the SS a "state within a state", because at their height they not only had their own police, army, intelligence service, administration of the death camps and the ''Einsatzgruppen'' death squads (who shot and forced Hiwi militiamen to shoot over 1.5 milliion Soviet Communists and Jews). They had their own schools, clubs, a medical corps (which included [[MadDoctor the MadDoctor Josef Mengele]]), Mengele, if you can even call the guy a doctor), a ''science'' corps, a '''women's''' corp (which were auxiliary, or assistant personnel, as women were not allowed to be members), a Cavalry Corps (which were really just riding clubs), and even their own ''courts''. They were intentionally geared towards being an elite society within but apart-from the rest of Nazi Germany, one that would need as little contact as possible with outsiders. If a member of your family was in the SS, then you basically moved into a completely different social circle. One of Himmler's post-war goals was to turn Schleswig-Holstein into an SS nationstate.
8th Mar '18 4:12:28 PM LordKaarvani
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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_l%C3%A9gionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'', shortened to SOL) and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.

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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_l%C3%A9gionnaire org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_légionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'', shortened to SOL) and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.
8th Mar '18 4:11:52 PM LordKaarvani
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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d'ordre_légionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'', shortened to SOL) and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.

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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d'ordre_légionnaire org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_l%C3%A9gionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'', shortened to SOL) and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.
8th Mar '18 4:11:01 PM LordKaarvani
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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d'ordre_légionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire (SOL)]] (''Legionary Order Service'') and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.

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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d'ordre_légionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire (SOL)]] Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'') Service'', shortened to SOL) and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.
8th Mar '18 4:10:33 PM LordKaarvani
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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_l%C3%A9gionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] (''Legionary Order Service'') which later had an offshoot which became it's successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice Française]] (''French Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality and promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to be quite subpar at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that most of it's member were local common folks and petty criminals (which knew local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.

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* Vichy France had the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_d%27ordre_l%C3%A9gionnaire org/wiki/Service_d'ordre_légionnaire Service d'Ordre Légionnaire]] Légionnaire (SOL)]] (''Legionary Order Service'') which later had an offshoot which became and it's offshoot turned successor, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice Milice Française]] (''French Militia'') Milice]] (''Militia'') after the occupation of the free zone by the Nazis. The SOL was mostly focused on upholding Pétain's cult of personality and personality, promote collaboration with Germany and fight against the French Résistance and Allied forces, but turned out to be quite subpar suck at the latter point. The Milice (who ended up becoming the official police force of Vichy) was both more efficient and scary than the SOL due to their rounding of French Jews, devotion to Pétain and the fact that most of it's member members were recruited among local common folks and petty criminals (which knew (with knowledge of local geography, dialects and personalities, allowing them to strike easily at the Résistance) ; it was later disavowed by Pétain out of fear that he would be held accountable from their actions if the Allies liberated France.
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