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14th Sep '17 5:10:16 PM WarriorsGate
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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** In the 20th century, the page-naming curse was fairly consistent (to the point where ''Insurrection's'' crew made a point of calling the film "Nine of Ten" on set to stave off the odd number's influence, not that it helped). But this century the Curse seems to have gone off the rails -- 2002's ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'' flopped while 2009's ''Film/StarTrek'' was a hit, contrary to their positions in the series. It is unknown whether this anomaly means the curse has actually been broken, or merely inverted.
** Among those who do consider ''10'' bad and ''11'' good, there are several commonly proposed methods to realign the curse with "reality". One is using the sum of the digits as an indicator (10; '''1'''+'''0'''=1, an odd number and 11; '''1'''+'''1'''=2, an even number), or alternatively including the AffectionateParody ''Film/GalaxyQuest'' as a "''Star Trek'' movie", inserting it between 9 (''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'') and 10 (''Nemesis'') as [[http://qntm.org/odd put by]] [[Website/ThingsOfInterest Sam Hughes]]. Another theory states that ''Nemesis'' wasn't good because it was a multiple of five, and thus, like ''Film/{{Star Trek V|The Final Frontier}}'', was bad; in other words, the curse has a previously-undiscovered [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzbuzz FizzBuzz property]]. This is followed by the explanation that ''Film/StarTrek'' doesn't follow the pattern because of the interference of time-traveling Romulans -- besides, it wasn't made by the same crew as the rest. Some have also taken to referring the [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] film as "''Star Trek 0''," thus placing it in an even spot.
** The following film, ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', muddies the waters even further; it was successful critically and financially, but created a BrokenBase among fans. Some still maintain the curse is now inverted as they felt ''Into Darkness'' wasn't as fresh as the 2009 reboot.
** The film following ''Into Darkness'', ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', also critically and commercially successful, was better received by fans then the previous two films, even further highlighting the likelihood of the theory that the curse had simply inverted.
** Michael Demtschyna, along with Chuck Sonnenburg of Website/SFDebris, have suggested the alternate theory that the movie is bad when any of the main characters sing. These are ''The Final Frontier'', ''Generations'', ''Insurrection'', and ''Nemesis'' (with Chuck snarking that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' doesn't contain singing only because [[LeaveTheCameraRunning it would distract from the boredom]]).
** Some argue that the curse didn't start until Series/SiskelAndEbert listed ''Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' among the ten worst movies of 1989. ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' was financially successful allowing for a sequel, and ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' accomplished its two primary purposes: [[spoiler: resurrect Spock, so they could make more movies]], and establish LeonardNimoy's credentials as a competent film director.
** The pattern of the ''Star Trek'' films is [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=357 referenced]] in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', where Susan has shelved the odd and even numbered films separately in the rental store she works in.
** In a sub-example that's also a positive case for the franchise, and an inversion of the ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' example below, the films released during anniversaries have ended up getting good reception. These have included ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'' (20th), ''Film/StarTrekViTheUndiscoveredCountry'' (25th), ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (30th), and now ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'' (50th).
** There is also a school of thought which holds that this 'rule' never really existed, since many consider ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' pretty good if not great. (As well as the ''many'' who think that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' wasn't all that bad.)

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** In
''Franchise/StarTrek'' is the 20th century, TropeNamer, although ironically it's more CommonKnowledge than an actual example:
** Of
the page-naming original cast films, pretty much everybody agrees that the even-numbered films (''The Wrath of Khan'', ''The Voyage Home'', ''The Undiscovered Country'') are excellent as both science fiction films and ''Star Trek'' films. However, the odd-numbered ones are a mixed bag: the first one (''The Motion Picture'') is generally considered leadenly paced and excessively padded with special effects but not outright bad (a much ''shorter'' director's cut from 2001 was very warmly received), while the third film (''The Search for Spock'') is a cheap-looking, continuity-dense affair that is ''at worst'' SoOkayItsAverage and at best an underrated gem. Only the fifth film (''The Final Frontier'') is universally derided as awful on almost every conceivable level. Some say the "Star Trek curse" only started when Series/SiskelAndEbert listed ''Final Frontier'' among the ten worst movies of 1989, as ''The Motion Picture'' and ''The Search For Spock'' obviously made enough money to keep the franchise going.
** By the 1990s, the
curse was fairly consistent (to had taken root in the point where ''Insurrection's'' public's mind, and the three ''Next Generation'' films released in that decade certainly didn't shake the perception. The seventh (''Generations'') and ninth (''Insurrection''--which the crew made a point of calling the film dubbed "Nine of Ten" on set in a futile effort to stave shake off the odd number's influence, not curse) films are both considered forgettable and lackluster, and ''Generations'' has a fairly sizeable hatedom for [[spoiler: killing off iconic franchise lead James T. Kirk in a manner so unfitting they named a trope, DroppedABridgeOnHim, after it]]. Only the eighth (''First Contact'') is well-loved by fans, since it's an ActionizedSequel that it helped). But this century pits Captain Picard against an established enemy he has a personal grudge with.
** In
the Curse seems to have gone off the rails -- 2002's ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'' flopped while 2009's ''Film/StarTrek'' was a hit, contrary to their positions in the series. It is unknown whether this anomaly means 21st century, however, the curse has actually was completely inverted. The tenth film overall and last ''Next Generation'' film, ''Nemesis'', flopped so hard that ''Star Trek'' as a feature film franchise was effectively dead after twenty-three years. With the quiet death of TV series ''Enterprise'' shortly afterwards, the ''Star Trek'' franchise began to fade into obscurity.... And then, enter Creator/JJAbrams. Probably accompanied by a lot of lens flare. Contrary to its position in the franchise, his eleventh film (simply called ''Star Trek'') was a YoungerAndHipper and HotterAndSexier blockbuster that caused ''Star Trek'' to become a household name again, and a box office juggernaut to boot. Aside from the obvious reason for its success--it's a slick, fun film from an expert filmmaker--many tongue-in-cheek theories have been broken, or merely inverted.
** Among those who do consider ''10'' bad and ''11'' good, there are several commonly proposed methods
put forth as to realign how it's "broken the curse with "reality". One is using curse":
*** Using
the sum of the film's digits as an indicator (10; '''1'''+'''0'''=1, an odd number and 11; '''1'''+'''1'''=2, an even number), or alternatively including number).
*** Including
the AffectionateParody ''Film/GalaxyQuest'' as a "''Star Trek'' movie", inserting it between 9 (''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'') and 10 (''Nemesis'') as [[http://qntm.org/odd put by]] [[Website/ThingsOfInterest Sam Hughes]]. Another theory states that Hughes]], thus shifting the J. J. Abrams film into the twelfth slot.
*** Referring the [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] film as "''Star Trek 0''," thus placing it in an even spot.
** The following two films continue the curse's inversion, with the twelfth (''Into Darkness'') having a sizeable BrokenBase over its plot and copious rehashing of ''Wrath of Khan'', while the thirteeth (''Beyond'') is largely loved for being a lighthearted, spirited adventure in the vein of the original series written by loveable geek Creator/SimonPegg (who, for context, also wrote the page quote decrying every odd-numbered ''Star Trek'' film as "shit").
** Some other tongue-in-cheek attempts to harmonize "the curse" include:
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''Nemesis'' wasn't good because it was a multiple of five, and thus, like ''Film/{{Star Trek V|The Final Frontier}}'', was bad; in other words, the curse has a previously-undiscovered [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzbuzz FizzBuzz property]]. This is followed by the explanation that ''Film/StarTrek'' doesn't follow the pattern because of the interference of time-traveling Romulans -- besides, it wasn't made by the same crew as the rest. Some have also taken to referring the [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] film as "''Star Trek 0''," thus placing it in an even spot.\n** The following film, ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', muddies the waters even further; it was successful critically and financially, but created a BrokenBase among fans. Some still maintain the curse is now inverted as they felt ''Into Darkness'' wasn't as fresh as the 2009 reboot.\n** The film following ''Into Darkness'', ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', also critically and commercially successful, was better received by fans then the previous two films, even further highlighting the likelihood of the theory that the curse had simply inverted.\n**
***
Michael Demtschyna, along with Chuck Sonnenburg of Website/SFDebris, have suggested the alternate theory that the movie is bad when any of the main characters sing. These are ''The Final Frontier'', ''Generations'', ''Insurrection'', and ''Nemesis'' (with Chuck snarking that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' doesn't contain singing only because [[LeaveTheCameraRunning it would distract from the boredom]]).
** Some argue that the curse didn't start until Series/SiskelAndEbert listed ''Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' among the ten worst movies of 1989. ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' was financially successful allowing for a sequel, and ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' accomplished its two primary purposes: [[spoiler: resurrect Spock, so they could make more movies]], and establish LeonardNimoy's credentials as a competent film director.
** The pattern of the ''Star Trek'' films is [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=357 referenced]] in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', where Susan has shelved the odd and even numbered films separately in the rental store she works in.
**
*** In a sub-example that's also a positive case for the franchise, and an inversion of the ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' example below, the films released during anniversaries have ended up getting good reception. These have included ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'' (20th), ''Film/StarTrekViTheUndiscoveredCountry'' (25th), ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (30th), and now ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'' (50th).
** There is also a school of thought which holds that this 'rule' never really existed, since many consider ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' pretty good if not great. (As well as References to the ''many'' who think that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' wasn't all that bad.)''Star Trek'' curse in other works include:
*** [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=357 Referenced]] in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', where Susan has shelved the odd and even numbered films separately in the rental store she works in.
13th Sep '17 4:33:29 AM LinTaylor
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* With ''Franchise/KamenRider'', the "curse" seems to be attached to shows with a mystic/supernatural theme. ''Series/KamenRiderAmazon'', whose hero got his powers from a {{Mayincatec}} armband rather than AppliedPhlebotinum, was so [[BloodierAndGorier gory]] (albeit by [=1970s=] standards) that the backlash from angry parents almost [[FranchiseKiller killed the franchise]]. Decades later, ''Series/KamenRiderHibiki'' was popular with fans, but suffered a {{Retool}} that messed it up so badly that it's become one of {{Tokusatsu}}'s most infamous cases of ExecutiveMeddling. The next three supernatural shows, ''Series/KamenRiderKiva'', ''Series/KamenRiderWizard'', and ''Series/KamenRiderGhost'' are generally held in low regard by the fandom, with ''Ghost'' in particular being viewed as one of the weakest seasons ever made and ''Wizard'' not too far behind[[note]]''Kiva'' doesn't get it quite as bad, mainly because fans tend to hate half the show (the primary plotline set in 2008 and focusing on Kiva) but enjoy the other half (the 1986 plotline focusing on his father)[[/note]].
22nd Aug '17 3:44:05 AM Vir
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* The ''Film/MadMax'' series, despite being one of the more consistent film franchises has this kind of pattern: While ''[[Film/MadMax2TheRoadWarrior The Road Warrior]]'' and ''[[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Fury Road]]'' are widely considered to be classics and essential viewing for action movie fans, the odd-numbered entries tend to be [[BrokenBase more divisive]], for different reasons: ''Film/MadMax'' because [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness it is an entirely different genre altogether]], and ''[[Film/MadMaxBeyondThunderdome Beyond Thunderdome]]'' for its LighterAndSofter tone and its relative lack of car chases.

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* The ''Film/MadMax'' series, despite being one of the more consistent film franchises franchises, has this kind of pattern: While ''[[Film/MadMax2TheRoadWarrior The Road Warrior]]'' and ''[[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Fury Road]]'' are widely considered to be classics and essential viewing for action movie fans, the odd-numbered entries tend to be [[BrokenBase more divisive]], for different reasons: ''Film/MadMax'' because [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness it is an entirely different genre altogether]], and ''[[Film/MadMaxBeyondThunderdome Beyond Thunderdome]]'' for its LighterAndSofter tone and its relative lack of car chases.




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* Among the three ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' movies, ''WesternAnimation/TheRugratsMovie'' is considered unremarkable while ''WesternAnimation/RugratsInParis'' is seen as a modest improvement and ''WesternAnimation/RugratsGoWild'' is on par with the original.
2nd Aug '17 9:51:13 AM MisterCPC
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* ''VideoGame/{{Uncharted}}'': While downplayed as of the games in the series are considered good, the even-numbered games have gotten much more praise than the odd-numbered ones. The first game, ''[[VideoGame/UnchartedDrakesFortune Drake's Fortune]]'', is seen as a good start but did still have some shaky moments. The second, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted2AmongThieves Among Thieves]]'', is considered where the series really [[GrowingTheBeard came into its own]]. The third game ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted3DrakesDeception Drake's Deception]]'' received much praise, but did have some problems with being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a little too similar]] to the second. The fourth game, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd A Thief's End]]'' once again received near universal acclaim for featuring more open areas, new gameplay elements, and a much more emotional story to serve as the series' [[GrandFinale big sendoff]].

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* ''VideoGame/{{Uncharted}}'': While downplayed as all of the games in the series are considered good, the even-numbered games have gotten much more praise than the odd-numbered ones. The first game, ''[[VideoGame/UnchartedDrakesFortune Drake's Fortune]]'', is seen as a good start but did still have some shaky moments. The second, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted2AmongThieves Among Thieves]]'', is considered where the series really [[GrowingTheBeard came into its own]]. The third game ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted3DrakesDeception Drake's Deception]]'' received much praise, but did have some problems with being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a little too similar]] to the second. The fourth game, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd A Thief's End]]'' once again received near universal acclaim for featuring more open areas, new gameplay elements, and a much more emotional story to serve as the series' [[GrandFinale big sendoff]].
2nd Aug '17 9:46:00 AM MisterCPC
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* ''VideoGame/{{Uncharted}}'': While downplayed as of the games in the series are considered good, the even-numbered games have gotten much more praise than the odd-numbered ones. The first game, ''[[VideoGame/UnchartedDrakesFortune Drake's Fortune]]'', is seen as a good start but did still have some shaky moments. The second, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted2AmongThieves Among Thieves]]'', is considered where the series really [[GrowingTheBeard came into its own]]. The third game ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted3DrakesDeception Drake's Deception]]'' received much praise, but did have some problems with being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a little too similar]] to the second. The fourth game, ''[[VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd A Thief's End]]'' once again received near universal acclaim for featuring more open areas, new gameplay elements, and a much more emotional story to serve as the series' [[GrandFinale big sendoff]].
5th Jul '17 3:57:55 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Another curse ''Power Rangers'' has relates to how well the source material is received - in general, ''Power Rangers'' adaptations of Sentai series that were well-liked (i.e., ''Series/JukenSentaiGekiranger'', ''MahouSentaiMagiranger'', ''Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'', ''Series/GoGoSentaiBoukenger'') are either considered OK (''Series/PowerRangersJungleFury''[[note]]although this one has been VindicatedByHistory as of late[[/note]], ''Series/PowerRangersMysticForce'') or are despised by the fandom (''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'', ''Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive''); on the other hand, sentai series that were seen as OK or disliked by the fandom (''Series/ChourikiSentaiOhRanger'', ''Series/SeijuuSentaiGingaman'', ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger'', and ''Series/ZyudenSentaiKyoryuger'') tend to produce well-liked adaptations (''Series/PowerRangersZeo'', ''Series/PowerRangersLostGalaxy'', ''Series/PowerRangersRPM'', and ''Series/PowerRangersDinoCharge''). There are a few exceptions to this rule - ''Series/DenjiSentaiMegaranger'' and ''Series/MiraiSentaiTimeranger'' are both well liked, yet their ''Power Ranger'' counterparts (''Series/PowerRangersInSpace'' and ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce'') are fan favorites; inversely, ''Series/TensouSentaiGoseiger'' is considered a '''very''' dull Sentai by western fans, and fan opinion of ''Megaforce'' is already mentioned above.

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** Another curse ''Power Rangers'' has relates to how well the source material is received - in general, ''Power Rangers'' adaptations of Sentai series that were well-liked (i.e., ''Series/JukenSentaiGekiranger'', ''MahouSentaiMagiranger'', ''Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'', ''Series/GoGoSentaiBoukenger'') are either considered OK (''Series/PowerRangersJungleFury''[[note]]although this one has been VindicatedByHistory as of late[[/note]], ''Series/PowerRangersMysticForce'') or are despised by the fandom (''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'', ''Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive''); on the other hand, sentai series that were seen as OK or disliked by the fandom (''Series/ChourikiSentaiOhRanger'', ''Series/SeijuuSentaiGingaman'', ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger'', and ''Series/ZyudenSentaiKyoryuger'') tend to produce well-liked adaptations (''Series/PowerRangersZeo'', ''Series/PowerRangersLostGalaxy'', ''Series/PowerRangersRPM'', and ''Series/PowerRangersDinoCharge''). There are a few exceptions to this rule - ''Series/DenjiSentaiMegaranger'' and ''Series/MiraiSentaiTimeranger'' are both well liked, yet their ''Power Ranger'' counterparts (''Series/PowerRangersInSpace'' and ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce'') are fan favorites; favorites[[note]]although people recommend watching ''Time Force'' over ''Timeranger'', it's more because of [[NoExportForYou the lack of complete fansubs]] for the latter as opposed to the quality of the show, meaning that unless you can speak Japanese, you have to stop watching after episode 30 as of January 6, 2017, since that is as far as the fansub group Overtime has subbed up to[[/note]]; inversely, ''Series/TensouSentaiGoseiger'' is considered a '''very''' dull Sentai by western fans, and fan opinion of ''Megaforce'' is already mentioned above.
5th Jul '17 3:48:37 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Also worth noting is that every series which uses a 5th set of suits is generally well-received, whereas the one that comes before it isn't[[note]]this counts the ''Alien Rangers'' series as it's own series[[/note]], due to the fact that the core 5 suits from ''Series/GoseiSentaiDairanger'' were not used - the aforementioned anniversary series used the 4th, 9th, 14th, and [[SequelNumberSnarl 18th/19th]], whereas the series that came after them, ''In Space'', ''Ninja Storm'', ''Jungle Fury'', and ''Dino Charge'', which used the 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th sets of costumes respectively, were received better than their predecessors (and in the case of ''In Space'', is widely considered the best)[[note]]this does not count the suits used in ''Film/PowerRangers2017'' towards the number of suits, on the grounds that it does not adapt a set of ''Sentai'' suits, and the suits are re-imaginings of existing suits as opposed to new suits entirely[[/note]].
5th Jul '17 3:15:45 AM Killerikala
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* ''Film/TransformersFilmSeries''. The first film is considered the best, the second one the worst, the third one to be better than the second and the fourth film got reviews as bad as the second film. It seems that Bay and co. are trying to make the fifth film good, but we'll see.

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* ''Film/TransformersFilmSeries''. The first film is considered the best, the second one the worst, the third one to be better than the second and the fourth film got reviews as bad as the second film. It seems that Bay and co. are trying to make the fifth film good, but we'll see.
2nd Jul '17 2:26:17 AM Piterpicher
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** There is also a school of thought which holds that this 'rule' never really existed, since many consider ''StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' pretty good if not great. (As well as the ''many'' who think that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' wasn't all that bad.)

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** There is also a school of thought which holds that this 'rule' never really existed, since many consider ''StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' pretty good if not great. (As well as the ''many'' who think that ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' wasn't all that bad.)
15th Jun '17 10:54:21 PM Spangooner
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* ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'': Also seems to have this curse with (Not counting the spin-offs or upgrades) 1, 3 and 5 being considered great while 2, 4 and 6 was decent at best. For the Tag Tournament games, the first was seen as great and the second was OK.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'': Also seems to have this curse with (Not counting the spin-offs or upgrades) 1, 3 and 5 being considered great while 2, 4 and 6 was decent at best. 7 seems to be getting very favorable reviews so far. For the Tag Tournament games, the first was seen as great and the second was OK.
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