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* Though not stricky a magician but rather a reality warper, Rod Kanelot has displayed very few physical feats especially compared to her superhuman Noah brothers. Her mist impressive one being probablysaltoing from flying umbrella and landing back on it which is a pretty common feat compared to most fighters of the series. However this is hardly an issue since her physical body is not really hers and damaging ut is completely useless meaning that in spite of having the most terrifying abilities she is also pretty much invunerable.... Suoer-poer lottery much?

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* Though not stricky strictly a magician but rather a reality warper, Rod Kanelot has displayed very few physical feats especially compared to her superhuman Noah brothers. Her mist most impressive one being probablysaltoing probably saltoing from flying umbrella and landing back on it which is a pretty common feat compared to most fighters of the series. However this is hardly an issue since her physical body is not really hers and damaging ut it is completely useless meaning that in spite of having the most terrifying abilities she is also pretty much invunerable.... Suoer-poer Suoer-power lottery much?



** Loki is a downplayed example; most depictions have him as a weak fighter... in comparison to Thor. He ''does'' have super-strength and endurance, which added to his magic make him a very powerful opponent.
** Amora the Enchantress is in the same boat. She's got a lot of magical power at her command but has no combat skills and has been beaten by other Asgardians easily. Compared to human beings she can take hits and barely feel them. This led to a rather amusing incident in ''ComicBook/SecretWars'', when, having previously easily defeated Dazzler, [[SmugSuper she thought that another mortal woman was no match for her.]] Unfortunately for her, that mortal woman was ComicBook/SheHulk. A NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ensued.

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** Loki ComicBook/{{Loki}} is a downplayed example; most depictions have him as a weak fighter... in comparison to Thor. He ''does'' have super-strength and endurance, which added to his magic make him a very powerful opponent.
** Amora the Enchantress ComicBook/TheEnchantress is in the same boat. She's got a lot of magical power at her command but has no combat skills and has been beaten by other Asgardians easily. Compared to human beings she can take hits and barely feel them. This led to a rather amusing incident in ''ComicBook/SecretWars'', when, having previously easily defeated Dazzler, [[SmugSuper she thought that another mortal woman was no match for her.]] Unfortunately for her, that mortal woman was ComicBook/SheHulk. A NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ensued.



* ComicBook/{{Zatanna}} from Franchise/DCComics can do ''anything'' with her spells, as long as she's able to ''say'' them. One hit to the throat or gut and she's out of the fight. A fact that ComicBook/TheJoker uses to his advantage in the Franchise/{{Batman}} storyline ''Trust''. He shoots Zatanna in the throat and dumps her into a glass casket full of water, while he's got Batman trapped in a chair, helpless to watch as she dies. [[spoiler:Turns out she's not so helpless when hit in the throat. She heals herself and escapes by writing the required spells on the side of the casket ''with her own blood'']]. Zatanna has been shown exploring other ways of charmcasting, owing to her heritage as a bona fide sorceress. However, she has always returned to logomancy.

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* ComicBook/{{Zatanna}} from Franchise/DCComics can do ''anything'' with her spells, as long as she's able to ''say'' them. One hit to the throat or gut and she's out of the fight. A fact that ComicBook/TheJoker uses to his advantage in the Franchise/{{Batman}} storyline ''Trust''. He shoots Zatanna in the throat and dumps her into a glass casket full of water, while he's got Batman trapped in a chair, helpless to watch as she dies. [[spoiler:Turns out she's not so helpless when hit in the throat. She heals herself and escapes by writing the required spells on the side of the casket ''with her own blood'']]. blood''.]] Zatanna has been shown exploring other ways of charmcasting, owing to her heritage as a bona fide sorceress. However, she has always returned to logomancy.



** He becomes less this trope as a combination of more serious combat training, wising up, and developing approximately SuperSoldier physical abilities by the start of the sequel means that he can take most human/near human opponents in close combat, and his PsychicPowers are vast, if still only partly trained. However, he is ''still'' not bulletproof (while he can pull a telekinetic BulletCatch, he can only do it if he has warning), and when his PsychicPowers are blocked [[spoiler: (actually contained by the suit he's forced into)]] and he's thrown in an arena with the Blob [[spoiler: a.k.a. Dudley Dursley]], who's got SuperStrength/is NighInvulnerable, he's in real trouble, and winds up multiple broken bones before he figures out a way around his problem [[spoiler: (he figures out that his PsychicPowers are contained, starts using his magic creatively, and makes like Kon-El)]].

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** He becomes less this trope as a combination of more serious combat training, wising up, and developing approximately SuperSoldier physical abilities by the start of the sequel means that he can take most human/near human opponents in close combat, and his PsychicPowers are vast, if still only partly trained. However, he is ''still'' not bulletproof (while he can pull a telekinetic BulletCatch, he can only do it if he has warning), and when his PsychicPowers are blocked [[spoiler: (actually contained by the suit he's forced into)]] and he's thrown in an arena with the Blob [[spoiler: a.k.a. Dudley Dursley]], who's got SuperStrength/is NighInvulnerable, {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le, he's in real trouble, and winds up multiple broken bones before he figures out a way around his problem [[spoiler: (he figures out that his PsychicPowers are contained, starts using his magic creatively, and makes like Kon-El)]].



** In-universe, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmer (High Elves)]] have this as a racial trait. They are the most physically frail race on average, but also have [[WitchSpecies the highest natural talents for magic]]. They do employ armed-and-armored soldiers as well, but each and every one of these soldiers [[MagicKnight uses magic as a supplement in combat]], and still tends to be squishier (on average) than the standard rank-and-file soldiers of [[ProudWarriorRace more combat oriented races]], such as the [[HornyVikings Nords]] and [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orcs]].

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** In-universe, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmer (High Elves)]] have this as a racial trait. They are the most physically frail race on average, but also have [[WitchSpecies the highest natural talents for magic]]. They do employ armed-and-armored soldiers as well, but each and every one of these soldiers [[MagicKnight uses magic as a supplement in combat]], and still tends to be squishier (on average) than the standard rank-and-file soldiers of [[ProudWarriorRace [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy more combat oriented races]], such as the [[HornyVikings Nords]] and [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orcs]].



* ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'': BenevolentAI [=Ma3a=] is insanely powerful - able to wipe out an entire battalion of attackers given sufficient time. However, it's on Jet to ''buy'' that time for her. [[spoiler: {{Justified}} as it turns out. An AI like [=Ma3a=] or Master Control is physically weak, but [=Ma3a's=] powers are all the more impressive as she's part User.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'': BenevolentAI [=Ma3a=] is insanely powerful - able to wipe out an entire battalion of attackers given sufficient time. However, it's on Jet to ''buy'' that time for her. [[spoiler: {{Justified}} {{Justified|Trope}} as it turns out. An AI like [=Ma3a=] or Master Control is physically weak, but [=Ma3a's=] powers are all the more impressive as she's part User.]]
7th Oct '17 6:20:41 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* Wizards in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels tend to be unhealthy in a different way: most of them are {{Big Eater}}s (a "light snack" at [[WizardingSchool Unseen University]] can run to several courses) and unlike many examples of that trope they ''do'' become hugely overweight. Exceptions include the Mustrum Ridcully, the current Archchancellor (an enthusiastic hunter, angler and martial artist, and a firm believer in healthy exercise), Rincewind and the Bursar (both of whom fit the "frail and emaciated" version of the trope, although Rincewind is capable of a fair turn of speed, perhaps making up for his total lack of magical ability), and the Librarian (who will squish ''you'' if you get on his bad side).

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* Wizards in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels tend to be unhealthy in a different way: most of them are {{Big Eater}}s (a "light snack" at [[WizardingSchool Unseen University]] can run to several courses) and unlike many examples of that trope they ''do'' become hugely overweight. Exceptions include the Mustrum Ridcully, the current Archchancellor (an enthusiastic hunter, angler and martial artist, and a firm believer in healthy exercise), exercise, resulting in a BoisterousBruiser and BadassGrandpa who once went two rounds bare knuckle boxing with Detritus, a troll considered badass by troll standards), Rincewind and the Bursar (both of whom fit the "frail and emaciated" version of the trope, although Rincewind is capable of a fair turn of speed, perhaps making up for his total lack of magical ability), and the Librarian (who will squish ''you'' if you get on his bad side).side). Ponder Stibbons, meanwhile, went from plump to skinny, and has a classic GeekPhysique, meaning that he's a different kind of squishy.



** The trope is mostly averted overall though, indeed, before Ridcully, the major method of advancement in the University was killing a wizard of a higher grade with non-magical means, leading to a tendency amongst wizards to be quite tough.

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** The trope is mostly averted overall though, indeed, before Ridcully, [[KlingonPromotion the major method of advancement in the University was killing a wizard of a higher grade with non-magical means, means,]] leading to a tendency amongst wizards to be quite tough.tough - while they were still quite large, for the most part, they tended to be sharp as a tack. Squishiness is preferred, since everyone remembers on some level what happened the last time(s) wizards decided that they preferred power to the buffet table. Grass didn't grow in certain places, and if it did, it grew in some very disturbing shapes and forms.
** However, it is also noted in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'', that despite the fact that the Wizards (Ridcully excepted) seem to be large, fluffy and harmless creatures quite divorced from reality, they can quite easily force their way through a large crowd of borderline football hooligans at a street football match.



** Harry could use a little meat on his bones too in the book, having been described as rather thin, though this due to being rather underfed being raised by his aunt and uncle. By ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire Goblet of Fire]]'' [[Film/HarryPotter film]], he's revealed to be quite athletic-looking once he [[ShirtlessScene takes off his clothes,]] though AdaptationalAttractiveness could also be at play. Justified in that he plays sports (i.e. Quiddich), and thus likely gets some kind of workout.

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** Harry could use a little meat on his bones too in the book, having been described as rather thin, though this due to being rather underfed being raised by his aunt and uncle. By ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire Goblet of Fire]]'' [[Film/HarryPotter film]], he's revealed to be quite athletic-looking once he [[ShirtlessScene takes off his clothes,]] though AdaptationalAttractiveness could also be at play. By ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]'', he starts shooting up and getting more lean than skinny. Justified in that he plays sports (i.e. Quiddich), and thus likely gets some kind of workout.



** Also, despite otherwise being heavily based on real British high schools, Hogwarts is notably lacking any sort of PE program. They have one sports team, (a sport in which most of the movement is done by magical broomstick) and nothing else. Though depending on the teacher their classes may be a bit more physically demanding than the average Muggle classroom. And having to run up and down the stairs in a huge castle to get anywhere - often taking the long way round to avoid moving stairs and Peeves - does help.

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** Also, despite otherwise being heavily based on real British high schools, boarding schools (though severely understating the inter-student violence), Hogwarts is notably lacking any sort of PE program. They have program, where real British boarding schools tend to be enthusiastic participants in relentlessly physical sports like Tennis, Athletics, Football (soccer) and, of course, Rugby Union - indeed, in the latter case, private school alumni usually make up at least half the England rugby team, even though they consist of only 7% of England's students - with multiple teams per year group and per sport, and compete fiercely with each other on a weekly basis in term time. Hogwarts, by contrasts, has one sports team, team per house, (a sport in which most of the movement is done by magical broomstick) broomstick), which plays one match against the other three houses a year, and nothing else. Though admittedly, depending on the teacher their classes (especially Care of Magical Creatures) may be a bit more physically demanding than the average Muggle classroom. And having to run up and down the stairs in a huge castle to get anywhere - often taking the long way round to avoid moving stairs and Peeves - does help.



* Also in Creator/DavidEddings [[Literature/TheBelgariad Polgara the Sorceress]], where Polgara notes that despite his elderly looks Belgarath will as readily resort to bar brawling tactics as to magic. Not to mention Beldin who casually tosses people twice his size around. Or Garion, who tends to prefer his BFS to magic. Or EmpoweredBadassNormal [[spoiler: Durnik, who was a blacksmith before dying and coming back as a sorcerer]]. David Eddings likes 'verting this trope.

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* Also in Creator/DavidEddings [[Literature/TheBelgariad Polgara the Sorceress]], where Polgara notes that despite his elderly looks Belgarath will as readily resort to bar brawling tactics as to magic. Not to mention Beldin who casually tosses people twice his size around. Or Garion, who tends to prefer his BFS to magic. Or EmpoweredBadassNormal [[spoiler: Durnik, who was a blacksmith before dying and coming back as a sorcerer]]. David Eddings likes 'verting averting this trope.



** Harry himself has dismissed direct physical enhancement as an impractical use of magic given the number of [[RequiredSecondaryPowers required secondary alterations]]. It's possible having worked out those problems means giving up some claim to be human, and the White Council seems very reluctant to think of a nonhuman as a "wizard", making the term self-enforcing. At one point, Harry goes on a rant lampshading this trope during an alley duel. His enemy turns out to be an exception. Oops.
** Personally, Harry laughs at this trope. He runs regularly, trains aikido (it's his best friend's preferred style, and has several techniques for staff, which are useful when you habitually carry one) and is pretty decent with handguns too. On one occasion, he uses a [[KillItWithFire blast of fiery destruction]] to distract a monster, then runs up and just ''punches it in the face''.

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** Harry himself has dismissed direct physical enhancement as an impractical use of magic given the number of [[RequiredSecondaryPowers required secondary alterations]].alterations]], though as the Denarians demonstrate, it is possible - and Lash tells Harry that she can help enhance him like this in a particularly fraught situation. It's possible having worked out those problems means giving up some claim to be human, and the White Council seems very reluctant to think of a nonhuman as a "wizard", making the term self-enforcing. At one point, Harry goes on a rant lampshading this trope during an alley duel. His enemy turns out to be an exception. Oops.
** Personally, Harry laughs at this trope. He runs regularly, trains aikido (it's his best friend's preferred style, and has several techniques for staff, staff fighting, which are useful when you habitually carry one) and is pretty decent with handguns too. On one occasion, he uses a [[KillItWithFire blast of fiery destruction]] to distract a monster, then runs up and just ''punches it in the face''.



** There's at least one wizard who is a close-quarters bruiser: Listens-To-Winds, whose specialty is in effortlessly deflecting enemy magic and then [[VoluntaryShapeshifting beat the shit out of enemies as a bear the size of a minibus]].

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** There's at least one wizard who is a close-quarters bruiser: Listens-To-Winds, whose specialty speciality is in effortlessly deflecting enemy magic and then [[VoluntaryShapeshifting beat the shit out of enemies as a bear the size of a minibus]].
7th Oct '17 4:41:00 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* Miksja from [[PolishMedia Polish comedy-fantasy comic]] ''Lil i Put'' ([[PunnyName Lil & Put]]). While she's a very powerful wizard she needs a moment to concentrate. When caught off gourd her only option is to run.

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* Miksja from [[PolishMedia Polish comedy-fantasy comic]] ''Lil i Put'' ([[PunnyName Lil & Put]]). While she's a very powerful wizard she needs a moment to concentrate. When caught off gourd guard, her only option is to run.


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* Harry Potter/Thorson has this problem in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm''. While he slowly, then increasingly rapidly, develops a series of [[{{Telepathy}} very]] [[PlayingWithFire potent]] [[MindOverMatter abilities]] that turn out to be very useful once they [[PowerIncontinence stop blowing up in his face]], he's still a rather small and skinny thirteen year old boy, at least to begin with. While some proper nutrition (having the Goddess of Healing for a grandma is very helpful in this regard) and a growth spurt help somewhat with this, plus the slow and steady manifestation of his Asgardian heritage (James was Thor in a first run at the humility thing. It worked right up until he died), which leaves him at a little over average height, there's a small problem: for most of the first book, he's basically a small to medium sized teenager physically, he has no real combat training until halfway into the story. And as he finds out the hard way, he's not even stab-proof, much less bulletproof. Oh, and most of those out to kill him are [[PhysicalGod in his dad's weight-class.]]
** He becomes less this trope as a combination of more serious combat training, wising up, and developing approximately SuperSoldier physical abilities by the start of the sequel means that he can take most human/near human opponents in close combat, and his PsychicPowers are vast, if still only partly trained. However, he is ''still'' not bulletproof (while he can pull a telekinetic BulletCatch, he can only do it if he has warning), and when his PsychicPowers are blocked [[spoiler: (actually contained by the suit he's forced into)]] and he's thrown in an arena with the Blob [[spoiler: a.k.a. Dudley Dursley]], who's got SuperStrength/is NighInvulnerable, he's in real trouble, and winds up multiple broken bones before he figures out a way around his problem [[spoiler: (he figures out that his PsychicPowers are contained, starts using his magic creatively, and makes like Kon-El)]].
7th Oct '17 4:14:54 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Amora the Enchantress is in the same boat. She's got a lot of magical power at her command but has no combat skills and has been beaten by other Asgardians easily. Compared to human beings she can take hits and barely feel them.

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** Amora the Enchantress is in the same boat. She's got a lot of magical power at her command but has no combat skills and has been beaten by other Asgardians easily. Compared to human beings she can take hits and barely feel them. This led to a rather amusing incident in ''ComicBook/SecretWars'', when, having previously easily defeated Dazzler, [[SmugSuper she thought that another mortal woman was no match for her.]] Unfortunately for her, that mortal woman was ComicBook/SheHulk. A NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ensued.
12th Sep '17 8:06:27 AM Allronix
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* ''[[Literature/GreenSkyTrilogy Below The Root]]'': Pomma starts out with the highest spirit score, and is considered a holy child (meaning she gets favorable treatment from both Erdlings and Kindar) but is a physically frail nine-year-old girl who needs to look for strength boosting elixir and/or take frequent meals and naps to prevent keeling over. A more robust character like Neric won't need as frequent naps or meals, but had to seek out more training to boost his spirit score, and may not get a warm welcome at certain houses.
* ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'': BenevolentAI [=Ma3a=] is insanely powerful - able to wipe out an entire battalion of attackers given sufficient time. However, it's on Jet to ''buy'' that time for her. [[spoiler: {{Justified}} as it turns out. An AI like [=Ma3a=] or Master Control is physically weak, but [=Ma3a's=] powers are all the more impressive as she's part User.]]
27th Aug '17 10:00:43 AM nombretomado
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* Reyvateils in the ''VideoGame/ArTonelico'' series are this combining with a very dangerous GlassCannon. They can't attack or defend and tend to have very low hit points. Instead, they sing a song to either cast a powerful recovery magic every turn, or to build up a CombinedEnergyAttack while the enemies are busy attacking their bodyguards, and then launch it and hit for massive damage. The only exception for the first two games is [[spoiler: Coccona, a CuteBruiser who fits as a bodyguard instead of a singer]].

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* Reyvateils in the ''VideoGame/ArTonelico'' ''VideoGame/ExaPico'' series are this combining with a very dangerous GlassCannon. They can't attack or defend and tend to have very low hit points. Instead, they sing a song to either cast a powerful recovery magic every turn, or to build up a CombinedEnergyAttack while the enemies are busy attacking their bodyguards, and then launch it and hit for massive damage. The only exception for [[VideoGame/ArTonelicoMelodyOfElemia the first first]] [[VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica two games games]] is [[spoiler: Coccona, a CuteBruiser who fits as a bodyguard instead of a singer]].
10th Aug '17 9:05:50 PM SullenFrog
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* The Eschaton Cultists from ''VideoGame/{{Sundered}}'' may have powerful spells to ruin the player’s day and a magical shield to protect them from harm, but they also have very little health. Once their shield goes down, they tend to die in one or two hits.
30th Jul '17 3:00:18 AM Codefreak5
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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'', all of the "support" classes (Engineer, Adept, Sentinel) have powerful support abilities based around technology or biotics, some of which border on GameBreaker, but can only wear lightweight armor. The more combat oriented classes with support abilities (Infiltrator, Vanguard) have more armor and weapons skills but consequently less support capability. OTOH, all biotics can learn Barrier, which provides ''significantly'' better shields than the best armor Soldiers can buy. And their lightweight armor tends to provide better defenses against biotic and tech attacks. [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards Quadratic]], indeed.

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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'', all of the "support" classes (Engineer, Adept, Sentinel) have powerful support abilities based around technology or biotics, some of which border on GameBreaker, but can only wear lightweight armor. The more combat oriented classes with support abilities (Infiltrator, Vanguard) have more armor and weapons skills but consequently less support capability. OTOH, On the other hand, all biotics can learn Barrier, which provides ''significantly'' better shields than the best armor Soldiers can buy. And their lightweight armor tends to provide better defenses against biotic and tech attacks. [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards Quadratic]], indeed.
26th Jun '17 2:16:06 PM Korodzik
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* ''VideoGame/ShadowOfTheWoolBall'': The scrawny-looking wizard cats are among some of the weaker enemies in the game, health-wise. Except for the black-robed wizards, who are beefier and notably tougher.
22nd Jun '17 1:42:36 AM Dravencour
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* Subverted in ''Film/{{Warlock}}''. For the most part the Warlock indeed relies on his eldritch powers and avoids physical confrontation. In the climax [[TheWItchHunter Redferne]] challenges him to take the final pages of the [[TomeOfEldritchLore Grand Grimoire]] from him by force alone, without magic. The Warlock agrees and it looks like a typical BatmanGambit when the hero plays on the villain's hubris to even the scale, but the Warlock holds his own pretty well in a fight and it's ''Redferne'' who has to resort to [[HolyBurnsEvil supernatural]] means to stop the Warlock from kicking his ass.

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* Subverted in ''Film/{{Warlock}}''. For the most part the Warlock indeed relies on his eldritch powers and avoids physical confrontation. In the climax [[TheWItchHunter [[TheWitchHunter Redferne]] challenges him to take the final pages of the [[TomeOfEldritchLore Grand Grimoire]] from him by force alone, without magic. The Warlock agrees and it looks like a typical BatmanGambit when the hero plays on the villain's hubris to even the scale, but the Warlock holds his own pretty well in a fight and it's ''Redferne'' who has to resort to [[HolyBurnsEvil supernatural]] means to stop the Warlock from kicking his ass.
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