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20th Feb '18 1:29:57 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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** Superman and the ComicBook/FantasticFour are polar opposites in almost every way, right down to their origin stories. Superman is traditionally portrayed as a borderline-demigod with a vast array of powerful abilities, but he has to cope with the inherent heartbreak of being [[TheLastOfHisKind the last member of a dying alien race]]; as such, [[IWorkAlone he typically fights alone]] when he's not with the ComicBook/JusticeLeague, and he lost most of his family when he was too young to remember them. He's also famous for [[ClarkKenting keeping his secret identity so well-hidden]] that not even his love interest and his nemesis know who he really is. But the Fantastic Four have worked as a group from the beginning, they each have one specific superpower, they're a lovably {{dysfunctional family}} in addition to a superhero team, and they don't have secret identities at all; in fact, they're all world-renowned celebrities. Superman's story also begins with him crashing to Earth in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from Earth's sun, while the Four's story begins with them flying into space in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from cosmic radiation.
20th Feb '18 1:55:17 AM DrPopo
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* ''ComicBook/SupermanReborn'' to ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''. Both mark the end of an era for their upstanding hero, but in vastly different ways. One More Day is a story about losing a marriage, a child, and is relatively simple in its execution of dealing with a supernatural being to accomplish this. Superman Reborn is about [[spoiler:keeping a marriage and a child]], and is pretty convoluted in its explanations with still a few questions left over after defeating [[spoiler: a supernatural being]] to accomplish this.
** Superman, of course, had his share of these over the years. One of the oldest is probably ComicBook/SubMariner - their respective first appearances mark the beginning of what would become Creator/DCComics and Creator/MarvelComics and they both were a clear metaphor for young immigrants unhappy with the current state of things. But when Superman was a tale of a hero fighting for the little man but embracing and loving America, Namor was a destructive rebel crushing anyone or anything standing in his path, shunning the idea of assimilation with the surface world.

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* ComicBook/{{Superman}}, of course, had his share of these over the years in various shapes and forms, some more obvious than the others.
** One of the oldest is probably ComicBook/SubMariner - their respective first appearances mark the beginning of what would become Creator/DCComics and Creator/MarvelComics and they both were a clear metaphor for young immigrants unhappy with the current state of things. But when Superman was a tale of a hero fighting for the little man but embracing and loving America, Namor was a destructive rebel crushing anyone or anything standing in his path, shunning the idea of assimilation with the surface world.
** Superman is traditionally portrayed as a borderline-demigod with a vast array of powerful abilities, but he has to cope with the inherent heartbreak of being [[TheLastOfHisKind the last member of a dying alien race]]; as such, [[IWorkAlone he typically fights alone]] when he's not with the ComicBook/JusticeLeague, and he lost most of his family when he was too young to remember them. He's also famous for [[ClarkKenting keeping his secret identity so well-hidden]] that not even his love interest and his nemesis know who he really is. The ComicBook/FantasticFour are opposites in almost every way: they've worked as a group from the beginning, they each have one specific superpower, they're a lovably {{dysfunctional family}} in addition to a superhero team, and they don't have secret identities at all; in fact, they're all world-renowned celebrities. Interestingly, their origin stories are also mirror images of one another: Superman's story begins with him crashing to Earth in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from Earth's sun, while the Four's story begins with them flying into space in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from cosmic radiation.
** Superman and ComicBook/SpiderMan are both iconic urban superheroes known for their distinctive [[PrimaryColorChampion red and blue costumes]], and for wearing glasses and working at newspapers in their civilian identities; both of them also have [[CorruptCorporateExecutive evil corporate CEOs]] as their archenemies. But Superman is known for his raw strength and his brawny physique, and he's often thematically associated with the heavens due to his [[FlyingBrick flight powers]] and [[HumanAlien alien heritage]]. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is known for his agility and his wiry physique, and most depictions emphasize his closeness to the Earth due to his [[WorkingClassHero humble background]] and [[AnimalThemedSuperBeing insect motif]]. The Daily Planet is also traditionally portrayed sympathetically, with its reporters being crusading idealists driven to protect the truth, while the Daily Bugle is cast in a more morally ambiguous light, with J. Jonah Jameson's editorials [[HeroWithBadPublicity ruining Spidey's reputation]]. Superman's nemesis Lex Luthor is also typically portrayed as a humanist scientific genius [[BadassNormal who can hold his own against superheroes with nothing but wits and gadgetry]]; by contrast, Spider-Man's nemesis ComicBook/NormanOsborn is usually portrayed as just a shrewd businessman who attempts to use science to transcend his human limitations, and ends up adopting a monstrous alter ego cloaked in supernatural trappings.
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''ComicBook/SupermanReborn'' to ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''. Both mark the end of an era for their upstanding hero, but in vastly different ways. One More Day is a story about losing a marriage, a child, and is relatively simple in its execution of dealing with a supernatural being to accomplish this. Superman Reborn is about [[spoiler:keeping a marriage and a child]], and is pretty convoluted in its explanations with still a few questions left over after defeating [[spoiler: a supernatural being]] to accomplish this.
** Superman, of course, had his share of these over the years. One of the oldest is probably ComicBook/SubMariner - their respective first appearances mark the beginning of what would become Creator/DCComics and Creator/MarvelComics and they both were a clear metaphor for young immigrants unhappy with the current state of things. But when Superman was a tale of a hero fighting for the little man but embracing and loving America, Namor was a destructive rebel crushing anyone or anything standing in his path, shunning the idea of assimilation with the surface world.
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* ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' and ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', two of Creator/MarvelComics' flagship titles, can both be seen as antitheses of Creator/DCComics' flagship title ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' in varying ways. To elaborate:
** Superman is traditionally portrayed as a borderline-demigod with a vast array of powerful abilities, but he has to cope with the inherent heartbreak of being [[TheLastOfHisKind the last member of a dying alien race]]; as such, [[IWorkAlone he typically fights alone]] when he's not with the ComicBook/JusticeLeague, and he lost most of his family when he was too young to remember them. He's also famous for [[ClarkKenting keeping his secret identity so well-hidden]] that not even his love interest and his nemesis know who he really is. The Four are opposites in almost every way: they've worked as a group from the beginning, they each have one specific superpower, they're a lovably {{dysfunctional family}} in addition to a superhero team, and they don't have secret identities at all; in fact, they're all world-renowned celebrities. Interestingly, their origin stories are also mirror images of one another: Superman's story begins with him crashing to Earth in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from Earth's sun, while the Four's story begins with them flying into space in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from cosmic radiation.
** Superman and Spider-Man are both iconic urban superheroes known for their distinctive [[PrimaryColorChampion red and blue costumes]], and for wearing glasses and working at newspapers in their civilian identities; both of them also have [[CorruptCorporateExecutive evil corporate CEOs]] as their archenemies. But Superman is known for his raw strength and his brawny physique, and he's often thematically associated with the heavens due to his [[FlyingBrick flight powers]] and [[HumanAlien alien heritage]]. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is known for his agility and his wiry physique, and most depictions emphasize his closeness to the Earth due to his [[WorkingClassHero humble background]] and [[AnimalThemedSuperBeing insect motif]]. The Daily Planet is also traditionally portrayed sympathetically, with its reporters being crusading idealists driven to protect the truth, while the Daily Bugle is cast in a more morally ambiguous light, with J. Jonah Jameson's editorials [[HeroWithBadPublicity ruining Spidey's reputation]]. Superman's nemesis Lex Luthor is also typically portrayed as a humanist scientific genius [[BadassNormal who can hold his own against superheroes with nothing but wits and gadgetry]]; by contrast, Spider-Man's nemesis ComicBook/NormanOsborn is usually portrayed as just a shrewd businessman who attempts to use science to transcend his human limitations, and ends up adopting a monstrous alter ego cloaked in supernatural trappings.
19th Feb '18 4:33:21 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' and ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', two of Creator/MarvelComics' flagship titles, can both be seen as antitheses of Creator/DCComics' flagship title ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' in varying ways. To elaborate:
** Superman is traditionally portrayed as a borderline-demigod with a vast array of powerful abilities, but he has to cope with the inherent heartbreak of being [[TheLastOfHisKind the last member of a dying alien race]]; as such, [[IWorkAlone he typically fights alone]] when he's not with the ComicBook/JusticeLeague, and he lost most of his family when he was too young to remember them. He's also famous for [[ClarkKenting keeping his secret identity so well-hidden]] that not even his love interest and his nemesis know who he really is. The Four are opposites in almost every way: they've worked as a group from the beginning, they each have one specific superpower, they're a lovably {{dysfunctional family}} in addition to a superhero team, and they don't have secret identities at all; in fact, they're all world-renowned celebrities. Interestingly, their origin stories are also mirror images of one another: Superman's story begins with him crashing to Earth in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from Earth's sun, while the Four's story begins with them flying into space in a rocket ship and getting superpowers from cosmic radiation.
** Superman and Spider-Man are both iconic urban superheroes known for their distinctive [[PrimaryColorChampion red and blue costumes]], and for wearing glasses and working at newspapers in their civilian identities; both of them also have [[CorruptCorporateExecutive evil corporate CEOs]] as their archenemies. But Superman is known for his raw strength and his brawny physique, and he's often thematically associated with the heavens due to his [[FlyingBrick flight powers]] and [[HumanAlien alien heritage]]. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is known for his agility and his wiry physique, and most depictions emphasize his closeness to the Earth due to his [[WorkingClassHero humble background]] and [[AnimalThemedSuperBeing insect motif]]. The Daily Planet is also traditionally portrayed sympathetically, with its reporters being crusading idealists driven to protect the truth, while the Daily Bugle is cast in a more morally ambiguous light, with J. Jonah Jameson's editorials [[HeroWithBadPublicity ruining Spidey's reputation]]. Superman's nemesis Lex Luthor is also typically portrayed as a humanist scientific genius [[BadassNormal who can hold his own against superheroes with nothing but wits and gadgetry]]; by contrast, Spider-Man's nemesis ComicBook/NormanOsborn is usually portrayed as just a shrewd businessman who attempts to use science to transcend his human limitations, and ends up adopting a monstrous alter ego cloaked in supernatural trappings.
17th Feb '18 9:38:55 PM Gamermaster
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* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' and the comics to other cartoons and most of the games. In most continuities, Sonic is just in for a thrill, and Dr. Robotnik/Eggman is pretty incompetent. In SatAM, Robotnik is extremely menacing, has already conquered most of the world, and Sonic is one of the few people who stand between him and total world domination.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' and the comics to other cartoons and most of the games. In most continuities, Sonic is just in for a thrill, and Dr. Robotnik/Eggman is pretty incompetent. In SatAM, [=SatAM=], Robotnik is extremely menacing, has already conquered most of the world, and Sonic is one of the few people who stand between him and total world domination.
16th Feb '18 2:00:08 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' and ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'' are both TV shows about deranged {{serial killer}}s who [[HiddenInPlainSight hide in plain sight]] by working with law enforcement to catch other serial killers; both series are even based on novels, and both feature a major plot point where the VillainProtagonist is forced to investigate his own murders, and attempts to pin them on someone else. But ''Dexter'' plays the premise for BlackComedy, portraying serial killer Dexter Morgan (aka "The Bay Harbor Butcher") as [[AffablyEvil a surprisingly normal and affable guy]] who lives by a strict moral code of PayEvilUntoEvil. ''Hannibal'', on the other hand, plays it for seriously creepy GothicHorror, portraying Franchise/HannibalLecter (aka "The Chesapeake Ripper") as a chillingly amoral figure with a God complex [[FauxAffablyEvil who hides behind his superficial charm]]. Their settings also contrast each other, with ''Dexter'' taking place in urban Miami, while ''Hannibal'' mainly takes place in the rural Mid-Atlantic.
16th Feb '18 11:34:55 AM chasemaddigan
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*** [[Film/WonderWoman2017 Wonder Woman]] and [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]] are both veteran soldiers dressed in patriotic colors who are [[OlderThanTheyLook much older than they appear]], and were fighting America's wars long before they joined their respective super-teams. But while Captain America was the scrawny son of poor immigrants who volunteered to become the ultimate soldier to save his country, Wonder Woman is the daughter of the Queen of the Amazons [[spoiler:and Zeus]] who inherited her destiny as a warrior who goes to fight against the concept of war itself, and [[TheSlowPath she's forced to spend a whole century waiting for the founding of the Justice League]], while Captain America [[HumanPopsicle is awakened after sleeping for seven decades]]. Also: Steve Rogers fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, a conflict that is usually remembered as history's last truly glorious battle between Good and Evil; Diana fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, a conflict that is usually remembered as a tragic and pointless waste of human life which (of course) [[HereWeGoAgain just paved the way for another war world war]].

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*** [[Film/WonderWoman2017 Wonder Woman]] and [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]] are both veteran soldiers dressed in patriotic colors who are [[OlderThanTheyLook much older than they appear]], and were fighting America's wars long before they joined their respective super-teams. But while Captain America was the scrawny son of poor immigrants who volunteered to become the ultimate soldier to save his country, Wonder Woman is the daughter of the Queen of the Amazons [[spoiler:and Zeus]] who inherited her destiny as a warrior who goes to fight against the concept of war itself, and [[TheSlowPath she's forced to spend a whole century waiting for the founding of the Justice League]], while Captain America [[HumanPopsicle is awakened after sleeping for seven decades]]. Also: Steve Rogers fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, a conflict that is usually remembered as history's last truly glorious battle between Good and Evil; Diana fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, a conflict that is usually remembered as a tragic and pointless waste of human life which (of course) [[HereWeGoAgain just paved the way for another war world war]].
16th Feb '18 10:38:40 AM Terrialstrasz
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*** The MCU is a centralized production studio where every film is ready for development and they bring in a director to work out the vision of the studio. This has resulted in fairly consistent quality control, tone and a running story spanning between all the films. On the other hand some have criticized the system for diminishing the control the director has on the individual film, putting too much focus on the larger picture at the expense of what the movie could be as a standalone. The DCEU set itself up as placing the ''Film/JusticeLeague'' movies at the center of the franchise and allowing the individual directors of other films large amounts of freedom so long as they provide the foundation for the ''Justice League'' CrisisCrossover. In fact, rather than starting with a bunch of origin stories and progressing to the crossover like the MCU did, ''Justice League'' will provide introductions to a lot of heroes who will eventually get their solo film.

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*** The MCU is a centralized production studio where every film is ready for development and they bring in a director to work out the vision of the studio. This has resulted in fairly consistent quality control, tone and a running story spanning between all the films. On the other hand some have criticized the system for diminishing the control the director has on the individual film, putting too much focus on the larger picture at the expense of what the movie could be as a standalone. Initially, The DCEU very deliberately set itself up as placing the ''Film/JusticeLeague'' movies at the center of the franchise and allowing the emphasizing individual directors of other films large amounts of directors's freedom so long as they provide the foundation for the ''Justice League'' CrisisCrossover. In fact, rather than starting with a bunch of origin stories and progressing to the crossover like the MCU did, ''Justice League'' will provide introductions to a lot of heroes who will eventually get their solo film.


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*** After the extensively covered TroubledProduction and mixed critical reception of all their film bar Wonder Woman, DC started to bring in a central figure to oversee their Universe. In contrast, with his AuteurLicense granted by Disney, Kevin Feige was able to do away with the Creative commitee thus allow their directors and film maker more freedom.
14th Feb '18 8:40:11 PM JJHIL325
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*** [[Film/ManOfSteel Superman]] and Film/{{Thor}} are both superpowered {{Human Alien}}s in red capes who see Earth as their adopted home, and end up clashing with rogue members of their species. But while Thor is a jovial ProudWarriorRaceGuy with a family back on his home planet, Superman is a quiet [[TheStoic stoic]] who never got a chance to know his real family, and has to deal with [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer feeling like an outcast among the people of Earth]]. Similarly, Thor does battle with Loki, his weaselly and irreverent adopted brother who becomes a TragicVillain, and is ultimately loyal only to himself; Superman battles General Zod, a hyper-disciplined soldier and an unrepentant fascist who sees himself as [[IDidWhatIHadToDo serving the best interests of the Kryptonian people]].
*** [[Film/WonderWoman2017 Wonder Woman]] and [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]] are both veteran soldiers dressed in patriotic colors who are [[OlderThanTheyLook much older than they appear]], and were fighting America's wars long before they joined their respective super-teams. But while Captain America was the scrawny son of poor immigrants who volunteered to become the ultimate soldier to save his country, Wonder Woman is the daughter of the Queen of the Amazons [[spoiler:and Zeus]] who inherited her destiny as a warrior who goes to fight against the concept of war itself, and [[TheSlowPath she's forced to spend a whole century waiting for the founding of the Justice League]], while Captain America [[HumanPopsicle is awakened after sleeping for seven decades]]. Also: Steve Rogers fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, a conflict that is usually remembered as history's last truly glorious battle between Good and Evil; Diana fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, a conflict that is usually remembered as a tragic and pointless waste of human life which (of course) [[HereWeGoAgain just paved the way for another war]].

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*** [[Film/ManOfSteel Superman]] and Film/{{Thor}} are both superpowered {{Human Alien}}s in red capes who see Earth as their adopted home, and end up clashing with rogue members of their species. But while Thor is a jovial ProudWarriorRaceGuy with a family back on his home planet, Superman is a quiet [[TheStoic stoic]] who never got a chance to know his real biological family, and has to deal with [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer feeling like an outcast among the people of Earth]]. Similarly, Thor does battle with Loki, his weaselly and irreverent adopted brother who becomes a TragicVillain, and is ultimately loyal only to himself; Superman battles General Zod, a hyper-disciplined soldier and an unrepentant fascist who sees himself as [[IDidWhatIHadToDo serving the best interests of the Kryptonian people]].
*** [[Film/WonderWoman2017 Wonder Woman]] and [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]] are both veteran soldiers dressed in patriotic colors who are [[OlderThanTheyLook much older than they appear]], and were fighting America's wars long before they joined their respective super-teams. But while Captain America was the scrawny son of poor immigrants who volunteered to become the ultimate soldier to save his country, Wonder Woman is the daughter of the Queen of the Amazons [[spoiler:and Zeus]] who inherited her destiny as a warrior who goes to fight against the concept of war itself, and [[TheSlowPath she's forced to spend a whole century waiting for the founding of the Justice League]], while Captain America [[HumanPopsicle is awakened after sleeping for seven decades]]. Also: Steve Rogers fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, a conflict that is usually remembered as history's last truly glorious battle between Good and Evil; Diana fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, a conflict that is usually remembered as a tragic and pointless waste of human life which (of course) [[HereWeGoAgain just paved the way for another war world war]].



** The series itself is built the same way. While the first series was one long story, the second series is broken up into individual seasons with new villains each time. While the original series has them traveling all over the world, the new series stays mostly in the Republic City, although this element fell away as the series got extended. Finally, Aang is facing a decidedly external enemy, the Fire Lord, whereas Korra must deal with problems that she helped cause in the first place, faces {{Arc Villain}}s, and constantly has to worry that her decisions are making the world worse instead of better.
** TLA is optimistic enough to always have a silver lining while the much darker Korra ends several of its episodes in utter defeat and despair.

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** The series itself is built the same way. While the first series was one long story, the second series is broken up into individual seasons with new villains each time. While the original series has them Team Avatar traveling all over the world, the new series stays mostly in the Republic City, although this element fell away as the series got extended. Finally, Aang is facing a decidedly external enemy, the Fire Lord, whereas Korra must deal with problems that she helped cause in the first place, faces {{Arc Villain}}s, and constantly has to worry that her decisions are making the world worse instead of better.
** TLA is optimistic enough to always have a silver lining in even the DownerEnding episodes, while the much darker Korra ends several of its episodes in utter defeat and despair.
13th Feb '18 2:43:18 PM JJHIL325
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* ''Series/{{Weeds}}'' and ''Series/BreakingBad'' also contrast each other in interesting ways. Both are about suburban parents who get in over their heads when they try to support their families by dealing drugs, but ''Weeds'' plays the premise for BlackComedy (with Nancy Botwin selling mostly harmless marijuana), while ''Breaking Bad'' plays it depressingly straight (with Walter White selling seriously dangerous methamphetamines). Nancy and Walt both try to hide their darker sides from their families, but Nancy's family are generally willing to put up with her criminal behavior, though still willing to call her out on it when it endangers others; by contrast, Walt's family recoil in horror when they discover his secret, with his wife Skyler eventually ending up as a prisoner in her own home when she realizes the full extent of her husband's monstrous deeds.

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* ''Series/{{Weeds}}'' and ''Series/BreakingBad'' also contrast each other in interesting ways. Both are about suburban parents who get in over their heads when they try to support their families by dealing drugs, but ''Weeds'' plays the premise for BlackComedy (with Nancy Botwin selling mostly harmless marijuana), while ''Breaking Bad'' plays it depressingly straight (with Walter White selling seriously dangerous methamphetamines). Nancy and Walt both try to hide their darker sides from their families, but Nancy's family are generally willing to put up with her criminal behavior, though still willing to call her out on it when it endangers others; by contrast, Walt's family recoil in horror when they discover his secret, completely disown him at the end (to the point where his son Walt Jr. legally changes his name to "Flynn" [[BrokenPedestal because he no longer wants anything to do with that name]]), and his wife Skyler eventually ending up as a prisoner in her own home when she realizes the full extent of her husband's monstrous deeds.
13th Feb '18 1:34:38 PM BobRiddle
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** TLA is optimistic enough to always have a silver lining while the much darker Korra ends several of its episodes in utter defeat and despair.
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