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5th Aug '16 4:20:52 AM nighttrainfm
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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. Both Anna and [[spoiler: her boyfriend Hans]] were born in this position ([[spoiler:in fact, Hans has twelve older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are basically nil]]), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, [[spoiler: Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]].]]

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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. in.]] Both Anna and [[spoiler: her boyfriend Hans]] were born in this position ([[spoiler:in fact, Hans has twelve older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are basically nil]]), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, [[spoiler: Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]].]]
5th Aug '16 4:20:10 AM nighttrainfm
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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. Both Anna and [[spoiler: her boyfriend Hans]] were born in this position ([[spoiler:in fact, Hans has twelve older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are basically nil]]), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, [[spoiler: Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]]]].

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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. Both Anna and [[spoiler: her boyfriend Hans]] were born in this position ([[spoiler:in fact, Hans has twelve older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are basically nil]]), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, [[spoiler: Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]]]].somewhat]].]]
25th Jul '16 2:15:18 AM PaulA
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** In ''The Curse of Chalion'' itself (the first book of the series), the much younger half brother of the infertile and secretly ill king is brought to court by the king's EvilChancellor to insure the succession. [[spoiler: When the prince dies shortly after the king's condition takes a massive turn for the worse the entire [[DeadlyDecadentCourt court]] instantly redirects it's attention to the prince's marginally older sister.]]
** The death of the rebellious elder son of the Fox promotes Bergon from spare to the Heir of Ibra -- and to the top of Iselle's short list of potential spouses.
** In ''The Hallowed Hunt'', the eldest son of the hallowed King has recently died. Succession politics aren't central to the plot, but they are a crucial detail.
* In ''{{Warbreaker}}'', the oldest princess was groomed from birth to become the God-Emperor's wife. The second oldest princess was the "spare," trained in case something happened to her sister. Their father sent the ''youngest'' princess instead.

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** In ''The Curse of Chalion'' itself (the first book of the series), ''Literature/TheCurseOfChalion'', the much younger half brother of the infertile and secretly ill king is brought to court by the king's EvilChancellor to insure the succession. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When the prince dies shortly after the king's condition takes a massive turn for the worse the entire [[DeadlyDecadentCourt court]] instantly redirects it's its attention to the prince's marginally older sister.]]
** The Later in the same novel, the death of the rebellious elder son of the Fox promotes Bergon from spare to the Heir of Ibra -- and to the top of Iselle's short list of potential spouses.
** In ''The Hallowed Hunt'', ''Literature/TheHallowedHunt'', the eldest son of the hallowed King has recently died. Succession politics aren't central to the plot, but they are a crucial detail.
* In ''{{Warbreaker}}'', ''Literature/{{Warbreaker}}'', the oldest princess was groomed from birth to become the God-Emperor's wife. The second oldest princess was the "spare," trained in case something happened to her sister. Their father sent the ''youngest'' princess instead.
1st Jul '16 7:53:49 PM nombretomado
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* The main character of AndreNorton's first published novel, ''The Prince Commands'', didn't have a clue he was of the [[{{Ruritania}} Morvanian]] royal family until he was eighteen, when his guardian introduced him to some visiting nobles with the words, "This is His Royal Highness." And then they told him that his grandfather the King had been assassinated, and the Crown Prince died in an ... accident ... before he could be crowned, and guess who's next up for the throne?

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* The main character of AndreNorton's Creator/AndreNorton's first published novel, ''The Prince Commands'', didn't have a clue he was of the [[{{Ruritania}} Morvanian]] royal family until he was eighteen, when his guardian introduced him to some visiting nobles with the words, "This is His Royal Highness." And then they told him that his grandfather the King had been assassinated, and the Crown Prince died in an ... accident ... before he could be crowned, and guess who's next up for the throne?
19th May '16 6:26:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* At the age of eleven, [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Aral Vorkosigan]] watched as his mother and older brother were slain by a death squad sent by the mad emperor Yuri. While these events happened before the time of the books, they are of critical importance in the relationship between his father, Count Piotr Vorkosigan, and his son, Miles. His mother, Cordelia, was poisoned while pregnant, and the boy was considered lost by both Count Piotr and their doctors, who called for an abortion, with the intent of trying again for a healthy heir.

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At the age of eleven, [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Aral Vorkosigan]] Vorkosigan watched as his mother and older brother were slain by a death squad sent by the mad emperor Yuri. While these events happened before the time of the books, they are of critical importance in the relationship between his father, Count Piotr Vorkosigan, and his son, Miles. His mother, Cordelia, was poisoned while pregnant, and the boy was considered lost by both Count Piotr and their doctors, who called for an abortion, with the intent of trying again for a healthy heir.
19th May '16 6:26:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheMoteInGodsEye''. Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir.

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* ''TheMoteInGodsEye''.''Literature/TheMoteInGodsEye''. Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir.
9th May '16 12:25:25 AM Vios
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* In ''VisualNovel/ReflectionsOnTheRiver'', Prince Shun was adopted essentially for that purpose. The king and queen weren't sure that they'd ever be able to have children of their own, so arranged to adopt a prince from an allied kingdom but now they ''do'' have their own child, and Shun became the backup. He doesn't hold any grudges against the new heir, but he does feel useless and unappreciated, as he's not allowed to ever do anything useful he just has to hang around in idleness until they're sure he won't be needed.
6th May '16 4:11:45 PM karstovich2
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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be one of Louis' best commanders.

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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be [[AgentPeacock one of Louis' best commanders.commanders]].
6th May '16 4:11:00 PM karstovich2
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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career.

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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career.career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be one of Louis' best commanders.
6th May '16 3:56:37 PM karstovich2
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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), the rival candidate.

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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), the rival candidate.candidate; the issue of the succession wasn't resolved until Stephen accepted Matilda's son, Henry Curtmantle (later [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]]), as heir.
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