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29th Jul '17 2:04:55 PM 20person
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** In the ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg Dunk and Egg]]'' novellas, Egg is Prince Aegon Targaryen, fourth son of Prince Maekar Targaryen, who is in turn the fourth son of King Daeron II Targaryen. He was so far down the line, no one expected him to be king, and so he was allowed to wander Westeros as the squire of a hedge knight. However, almost everyone ahead of him in line ended up dying of illnesses, wars, and unfortunate incidents. He ended up being elected by a council of lords and became King Aegon V, better known as Aegon the Unlikely.
18th Jul '17 7:29:38 PM ScottMarshall
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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), the rival candidate; the issue of the succession wasn't resolved until Stephen accepted Matilda's son, Henry Curtmantle (later [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]]), as heir.

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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), 1135-1154, who was the son of one of William the Conqueror's daughters), the rival candidate; the issue of the succession wasn't resolved until Stephen accepted Matilda's son, Henry Curtmantle (later [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]]), as heir.
14th Jul '17 4:23:04 AM isoycrazy
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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': In ''Cold Days'' it is revealed the Mantles of the Queens of Fae have a survival instinct. If their current host ends up permanently dead, which is hard considering they are immortal except under certain circumstances, the mantle will search out the next best candidate or return to the next closest Queen of that court assuming that Queen can hold both Mantles at the same moment. Queen Mab, always one to plan a contingency or three, ensures she has multiple spares for her daughter Lady Maeve. The nice thing, for Mab's sake, is the next person need not be related to Maeve by blood, just a person who has long contact with a fae, usually under some harsh training.
** The first spare is [[spoiler:Maeve's twin sister Sarissa, who is still a changeling after 500 years, and recently helped hero Harry Dresden survive Mab's physical therapy, which included at least one assassination attempt a day,]] but Maeve ends up ending this spare [[spoiler:by killing the Summer Lady Lily, forcing the Summer Lady mantle to enter into Sarissa and bind her to the enemy court]].
** Maeve doesn't recognize the second spare Mab set up, [[spoiler:Molly Carpenter, apprentice to hero Harry Dresden, and for the past two years or so, had been trained by Harry's fairy godmother, who can be described as, "spooky, ''crazy'' death Sidhe lady." When Maeve tries to kill Harry and an ally of Harry's instinctively shoots Maeve, killing her, the mantle ends up in Molly]].
17th Jun '17 3:49:00 AM morane
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* This is very much a problem on Despotic regimes in polygamous cultures. The regent may have literally dozens of sons, from different mothers, and there is no legitimacy on succession of the throne. If the regent has not nominated a successor during his lifetime, the usual way to resolve the issue is an all-out civil war and elimination game: the sons of the old regent begin murdering and assassinating each other, with the last surviving gaining the throne. It may well be that he has never been educated to be a regent. Amin Maalouf, in his ''Crusades through Arab Eyes'' said the Islamic rulers of the neighbouring countries admired the system of succession of the throne of the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem: when a king died, a legitimate king followed him; in a similar case, a Muslim country would have fallen into a civil war.
14th Jun '17 11:36:59 PM RainbowPhoenix
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** The PlayerCharacter of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', if human, is in a similar position to Sebastian. Trevelyan's exact number of siblings is never stated, but it is known that they are the youngest of at least three. The family tradition thus dictated that they would join the Chantry, most likely as a Templar presuming they didn't show magical abilities themselves. Unlike Sebastian, since Trevelyan is the PC, the player has the option of saying that they get along well with their family along with the option to say that relations are strained at best.
13th Jun '17 9:26:01 PM nombretomado
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** When Edward VIII (reigned 1936) abdicated, his successor, George VI (reigned 1936-1952), was reluctant to take up the post, as he had never expected or wished for the position. He had served in the Royal Navy during WorldWarOne (he had to sit out much of it on account of ill-health).
*** For one thing, he had a dreadful stammer and a fear of public speaking. Indeed, it's widely suspected that part of the reason for his death at a relatively young age (56) was due to the stress of being King throughout [[WorldWarTwo WW2]].[[note]]His heavy smoking didn't exactly help the situation; he developed lung cancer and a bunch of other stuff after the war.[[/note]]

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** When Edward VIII (reigned 1936) abdicated, his successor, George VI (reigned 1936-1952), was reluctant to take up the post, as he had never expected or wished for the position. He had served in the Royal Navy during WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (he had to sit out much of it on account of ill-health).
*** For one thing, he had a dreadful stammer and a fear of public speaking. Indeed, it's widely suspected that part of the reason for his death at a relatively young age (56) was due to the stress of being King throughout [[WorldWarTwo [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII WW2]].[[note]]His heavy smoking didn't exactly help the situation; he developed lung cancer and a bunch of other stuff after the war.[[/note]]
5th Jun '17 8:04:39 AM nighttrainfm
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** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has this in [[spoiler:Alistair]], who reveals early on that he is of royal blood... unfortunately he's a bastard, so he wasn't raised to the task. Needless to say, he's not happy about the idea of becoming king after being trained for something completely different and being quite forcefully assured that his illegitimate status would prevent the question. WordOfGod confirms that he is the illegitimate child introduced in the tie-in novel ''The Calling'', which further reveals that [[spoiler:he's a HalfHumanHybrid, as his mother is an elf]].

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** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has this in [[spoiler:Alistair]], who reveals early on that he is of royal blood... unfortunately he's a bastard, so he wasn't raised to the task. Needless to say, he's not happy about the idea of becoming king after being trained for something completely different and being quite forcefully assured that his illegitimate status would prevent the question. WordOfGod confirms that he is the illegitimate child introduced in the tie-in novel ''The Calling'', which further reveals that [[spoiler:he's a HalfHumanHybrid, as his mother is an elf]].elf.]]
5th Jun '17 8:04:19 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has this in [[spoiler:Alistair]], who reveals early on that he is of royal blood... unfortunately he's a bastard, so he wasn't raised to the task. Needless to say, he's not happy about the idea of becoming king after being trained for something completely different and being quite forcefully assured that his illegitimate status would prevent the question. WordOfGod confirms that he is the illegitimate child introduced in the tie-in novel ''The Calling'', which further reveals that [[spoiler:he's a HalfHumanHybrid, as his mother is an elf]].
** And its sequel, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has Sebastian Vael, who is the spare to the spare as the youngest of three children. Initially he resented his brothers for this, then settled into life at the Chantry and was happy there. When his family gets slaughtered and Sebastian is suddenly the rightful ruler, he's not sure he wants to be prince anymore. Hawke can push him one way or another. [[spoiler: In the end game, if Anders lives, Sebastian decides to take back his throne for real this time in order to exact vengeance.]]

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* ''Franchise/DragonAge''::
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''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has this in [[spoiler:Alistair]], who reveals early on that he is of royal blood... unfortunately he's a bastard, so he wasn't raised to the task. Needless to say, he's not happy about the idea of becoming king after being trained for something completely different and being quite forcefully assured that his illegitimate status would prevent the question. WordOfGod confirms that he is the illegitimate child introduced in the tie-in novel ''The Calling'', which further reveals that [[spoiler:he's a HalfHumanHybrid, as his mother is an elf]].
** And its sequel, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has Sebastian Vael, who is the spare to the spare as the youngest of three children. Initially he resented his brothers for this, then settled into life at the Chantry and was happy there. When his family gets slaughtered and Sebastian is suddenly the rightful ruler, he's not sure he wants to be prince anymore. Hawke can push him one way or another. [[spoiler: In the end game, if Anders lives, Sebastian decides to take back his throne for real this time in order to exact vengeance.]]
5th Jun '17 8:03:48 AM nighttrainfm
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* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}},'' Hans mentions wistfully that he has [[MassiveNumberedSiblings twelve older brothers]], and seems to have a bit of a complex about it. [[spoiler:Since he'll never inherit his homeland, [[EvilAllAlong he wants to take over Arendelle instead]]]].

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* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}},'' ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'':
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Hans mentions wistfully that he has [[MassiveNumberedSiblings twelve older brothers]], and seems to have a bit of a complex about it. [[spoiler:Since he'll never inherit his homeland, [[EvilAllAlong he wants to take over Arendelle instead]]]].instead]].]]
20th May '17 10:27:54 AM EDP
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* ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'' has Louis Charles, Louis XVI's second male child, who finds himself the Dauphin of France when his older brother Louis Joseph dies. In a variant, both Joseph and Charles were still children when this happens (they were respectively seven and four), and it was diagnosed a few years early anyway. The king's brothers, the Counts of Provence and Artois, and the Duke of Normandy also hoped to invoke this trope in their favor.
** In the sequel ''Eikou no Napoleon-Eroica'', Alexander I of Russia is portrayed as this-and ''happy'' to be one, as when his grandmother the tsarine Catherine dies before she can make him officially the heir in his father Paul's place he stays hidden until Paul arrives, at which point he's the first to salute him as the new tsar. Also Louis XVIII of France had previously appeared in ''Rose of Versailles'' as the Count of Provence, becoming the claimant to the throne of France upon Louis Charles' death (and later actually taking the throne after Napoleon's defeat).

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* ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'' has Louis Charles, Louis XVI's second male child, who finds himself the Dauphin of France when his older brother Louis Joseph dies. In a variant, both Joseph and Charles were still children when this happens (they were respectively seven and four), and it was diagnosed a few years early anyway. Louis Charles never gets to reign anyway, as UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution abolishes the monarchy, but MarieAntoinette proclaims him king Louis XVII the moment after his father's execution.
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The king's brothers, the Counts of Provence and Artois, and the Duke of Normandy also hoped to invoke this trope in their favor.
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favor. The Count of Provence then returns in the sequel ''Eikou no Napoleon-Eroica'', calling himself King Louis XVIII after his nephew's death during prisony. While he considers himself as king of France since the moment of his nephew's death in 1795, he doesn't get to actually reign until Napoleon's defeat in 1814-and then is back on the run when Napoleon comes back, at least until his final defeat at Waterloo.
** Also from the sequel we have
Alexander I of Russia is portrayed as this-and ''happy'' to be one, as when Russia-who [[DefiedTrope makes sure it doesn't happen]]: while his grandmother the tsarine grandmother, Catherine dies before she can make him officially the heir in Great, planned to skip his father Paul's place he stays hidden Paul and have him succeed her directly, she had a stroke and died just as she was about to put it in writing and make it official, and Alexander hid himself until Paul arrives, arrived, at which point he's he was the first to salute him as the new tsar. Also Louis XVIII of France had previously appeared in ''Rose of Versailles'' as the Count of Provence, becoming the claimant to the throne of France upon Louis Charles' death (and later actually taking the throne after Napoleon's defeat).tsar.
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