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23rd Feb '18 7:17:54 PM karstovich2
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*** And yet it was his marriage that cleared the way for them.

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*** And yet it was his Edward VIII marriage that cleared the way for them.



*** It also helped avoid RoyallyScrewedUp: in a time when royalty was expected to marry royalty, Bertie had a bit of leeway about it since he wasn't expected to become king. He married Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the daughter of a Scottish Earl--in what was essentially a love match, no less (Bertie proposed ''[[DoggedNiceGuy three times]]'' before she said "yes"). They were so distantly related that Elizabeth II is significantly less inbred than ''the average Englishman''.

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*** It also helped avoid RoyallyScrewedUp: in a time when royalty was expected to marry royalty, Bertie had a bit of leeway about it since he wasn't expected to become king. He married Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the daughter of a Scottish Earl--in what was essentially a love match, no less (Bertie proposed ''[[DoggedNiceGuy three times]]'' before she said "yes")."yes," largely because she was afraid she'd be unable to handle the duties of being a member of the Royal Family). They were so distantly related that Elizabeth II is significantly less inbred than ''the average Englishman''.
14th Feb '18 12:50:48 PM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series has got a few examples in the backstory. One of the most notable is detailed in the InGameNovel [[http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous Rislav the Righteous]]. The titular Rislav was the fourth son in line to the Kingdom of Skingrad, while his older brother Dorald was another spare who was allowed to follow his dream to become a priest of [[TheChurch the religion that swept the empire]] that the kingdom was associated with, but still independent from. When a plague killed the king and everyone ahead of Dorald in the succession, he took the throne and promptly ceded it to the empire. Rislav promptly killed his older brother and took the throne for himself, which was fine by the rest of the kingdom, who wanted to maintain their autonomy.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series has got a few examples in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
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the backstory. One of series' backstory is Rislav the most notable is Righteous, detailed in the InGameNovel [[FictionalDocument in-game book]] [[http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous Rislav the Righteous]]. The titular Rislav was the fourth son in line to the Kingdom of Skingrad, while his Skingrad. His older brother Dorald brother, Dorald, was another spare who was allowed to follow his dream to become a priest of the [[TheChurch Alessian Order]], a radical religious movement sweeping the religion that Empire at the time. When Rislav was 30, a plague swept through Cyrodiil and decimated the empire]] that royal family of Skingrad. Only Rislav and Dorald survived. The throne fell to Dorald, who immediately ceded the kingdom was associated with, but still independent from. When a plague killed the king and everyone ahead of Dorald in the succession, he took the throne and promptly ceded it to the empire. Alessian Empire. Incensed, Rislav promptly killed his older brother and took the throne gathered a band of cavalry, rode for himself, which Skingrad, was fine allowed in without conflict by the rest city guards (who were equally upset at Dorald's actions), and beheaded Dorald. Rislav was quickly named King of Skingrad. However, Emperor Goreous (a fervent supporter of the kingdom, who wanted Alessian Order) did not recognize Rislav and did not revoke Dorald's action. He rode with an army to maintain their autonomy.Skingrad but was defeated by Rislav and his Colovian troops. It marked the beginning of the end of the Alessian Empire and the Alessian Order.
** Martin Septim was a spare crossing over with HiddenBackupPrince. The bastard son of Emperor Uriel Septim VII, he was ferried away to a farm couple and later became a priest of Akatosh. When the [[ApocalypseCult Mythic Dawn]] assassinated Uriel VII and his legitimate heirs to kick off the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]], Martin's actual parentage was revealed to him and [[HeroicSacrifice his actions]] to end the crisis saved all of Tamriel.
11th Jan '18 2:01:35 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''Series/DeusSalveORei'': When Prince Afonso of Montemor goes missing after being attacked by bandits, his younger brother [[UpperClassTwit Rodolfo]] becomes the unexpected heir, a job that he ''really'' doesn't want because he prefers the life of a rich knob enjoying all privileges without any responsibilities of a king.
15th Dec '17 9:43:02 PM karstovich2
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* It has been suggested that the American system of choosing a Vice President as successor to the President was inspired by the Gaelic system of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanistry tanistry]], whereby a clan would choose an heir or second-in-command for the chief from among the eligible dynasts. This system was particularly used in Ireland, where it was used to choose the kings of the various native Irish kingdoms that existed over the island's history.
15th Dec '17 9:34:04 PM karstovich2
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* ''Series/TheCrown'': The historical example of [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George VI]] is very important to Season 1. George VI was George V's second son, and he had not expected to inherit the throne. The series does a good job of showing George VI's perspective on events: he had set himself up as an ordinary-if-unusually-comfortable naval officer with a happy marriage and two daughters living in an ordinary (for the neighbourhood)-if-unusually-comfortable townhome in Picadilly. Then his brother decided marrying an American divorcée was more important than his duties and abdicated, leaving the newly-minted George VI with a crown he never wanted and wasn't entirely sure he could handle. Then he not only has to be King, he has to be King during WorldWarII. No wonder the man smoked so much that he died of lung cancer at 56. His daughter, the newly-minted [[UsefulNotes/HMTheQueen Elizabeth II]], shares George's opinion, never really wanting to be Queen (or at least, wishing she could have raised her children before becoming Queen) and forces her uncle to realise that his abdication had hurt her, as well.

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* ''Series/TheCrown'': ''Series/TheCrown2016'': The historical example of [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George VI]] is very important to Season 1. George VI was George V's second son, and he had not expected to inherit the throne. The series does a good job of showing George VI's perspective on events: he had set himself up as an ordinary-if-unusually-comfortable naval officer with a happy marriage and two daughters living in an ordinary (for the neighbourhood)-if-unusually-comfortable townhome in Picadilly. Then his brother decided marrying an American divorcée was more important than his duties and abdicated, leaving the newly-minted George VI with a crown he never wanted and wasn't entirely sure he could handle. Then he not only has to be King, he has to be King during WorldWarII. No wonder the man smoked so much that he died of lung cancer at 56. His daughter, the newly-minted [[UsefulNotes/HMTheQueen Elizabeth II]], shares George's opinion, never really wanting to be Queen (or at least, wishing she could have raised her children before becoming Queen) and forces her uncle to realise that his abdication had hurt her, as well.
15th Dec '17 9:33:26 PM karstovich2
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* A modern example: After President Keeler in ''Series/TwentyFour'' is incapacitated by a missile strike that takes out Air Force One, Vice President Logan is sworn in as President. He looks for all the world like he's going to pee himself out of nervousness for the entire rest of the season.


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* ''Series/TheCrown'': The historical example of [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor George VI]] is very important to Season 1. George VI was George V's second son, and he had not expected to inherit the throne. The series does a good job of showing George VI's perspective on events: he had set himself up as an ordinary-if-unusually-comfortable naval officer with a happy marriage and two daughters living in an ordinary (for the neighbourhood)-if-unusually-comfortable townhome in Picadilly. Then his brother decided marrying an American divorcée was more important than his duties and abdicated, leaving the newly-minted George VI with a crown he never wanted and wasn't entirely sure he could handle. Then he not only has to be King, he has to be King during WorldWarII. No wonder the man smoked so much that he died of lung cancer at 56. His daughter, the newly-minted [[UsefulNotes/HMTheQueen Elizabeth II]], shares George's opinion, never really wanting to be Queen (or at least, wishing she could have raised her children before becoming Queen) and forces her uncle to realise that his abdication had hurt her, as well.
7th Dec '17 11:31:36 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* Inverted in ''Literature/TheHorseAndHisBoy'' -- it turns out Shasta is actually one of twin princes of Archenland, kidnapped as a babe. And it turns out he's older than Corin, who is delighted that he won't ever be stuck with boring royal duties now (and [[HotBlooded threatens to punch Shasta]] if he tries to renege on his duties).

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* Inverted in ''Literature/TheHorseAndHisBoy'' -- it turns out Shasta is actually one of twin princes of Archenland, kidnapped as a babe. And it It turns out he's older than Corin, who is delighted that he won't ever be stuck with boring royal duties now (and [[HotBlooded threatens to punch Shasta]] if he tries to renege on his duties).



* Pops up all over the place in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' due to a messy and protracted multiway civil war with [[AnyoneCanDie a high casualty rate]]. Before the main story begins, Ned Stark was this to his brother Brandon, and Maester Aemon was offered this but abdicated in favor of his younger brother (who was called "Aegon the Unlikely" for how far down the line of succession they had to go to finally find someone to take the job[[note]]He was the fourth son of a fourth son, and was favoured over his infant (and [[UnfortunateNames unfortunately named]]) nephew Maegor[[/note]]). Renly and Stannis vie for this after the death of older brother Robert, Stannis playing it slightly more straight (reluctant but insistent) while Renly leaps at the chance. Tommen is this to older brother Joffrey. Daenerys is this to her brother Viserys, and in ''A Dance With Dragons'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Aegon is alive after all (if he's genuine), making Daenerys this to ''him'' as well]]. And depending on how things go, either Bran, Rickon, or Jon is likely to become this to Robb. There are probably dozens of other minor examples that don't spring immediately to mind.

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* Pops up all over the place in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' due to a messy and protracted multiway civil war with [[AnyoneCanDie a high casualty rate]]. Before the main story begins, Ned Stark was this to his brother Brandon, and Maester Aemon was offered this but abdicated in favor of his younger brother (who was called "Aegon the Unlikely" for how far down the line of succession they had to go to finally find someone to take the job[[note]]He was the fourth son of a fourth son, and was favoured over his infant (and [[UnfortunateNames unfortunately named]]) nephew Maegor[[/note]]). Renly and Stannis vie for this after the death of older brother Robert, Stannis playing it slightly more straight (reluctant but insistent) while Renly leaps at the chance. Tommen is this to older brother Joffrey. Daenerys is this to her brother Viserys, and in ''A Dance With Dragons'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Aegon is alive after all (if he's genuine), making Daenerys this to ''him'' as well]]. And depending Depending on how things go, either Bran, Rickon, or Jon is likely to become this to Robb. There are probably dozens of other minor examples that don't spring immediately to mind.in the background.



* In ''[[Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms The Fairy Godmother]]'', the heroine's eventual love interest is the second son of a king. His older and younger brothers both become kings, leaving him to decide what he's going to do with his life if he doesn't want to hang around and be decorative. He even calls himself "the spare" at one point.

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* In ''[[Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms ''Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms - The Fairy Godmother]]'', Godmother'', the heroine's eventual love interest is the second son of a king. His older and younger brothers both become kings, leaving him to decide what he's going to do with his life if he doesn't want to hang around and be decorative. He even calls himself "the spare" at one point.



** The first spare is [[spoiler:Maeve's twin sister Sarissa, who is still a changeling after 500 years, and recently helped hero Harry Dresden survive Mab's physical therapy, which included at least one assassination attempt a day,]] but Maeve ends up ending this spare [[spoiler:by killing the Summer Lady Lily, forcing the Summer Lady mantle to enter into Sarissa and bind her to the enemy court]].

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** The first spare is [[spoiler:Maeve's twin sister Sarissa, who is still a changeling after 500 years, and more recently helped hero Harry Dresden survive Mab's physical therapy, which included at least one assassination attempt a day,]] but Maeve ends up ending this spare [[spoiler:by killing the Summer Lady Lily, forcing the Summer Lady mantle to enter into Sarissa and bind her to the enemy court]].


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*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Queen Kasile has a number of blood relatives living incognito within Ataidar in case she dies. They're so secret that not even she knows who or where they are. [[PhysicalGoddess Fiol]], Kasile's ancestor, offhandedly mentions "Laura the Hermit" and [[spoiler: Sister Cremia]] is heavily implied to be one as well. The latter of these much prefers her current job to ruling.
7th Dec '17 11:01:12 AM ChaoticNovelist
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The reasoning for this is simple. Back before modern medicine, child mortality was through the roof even for the ruling elite. Assuming a prince survived past the age of five, they could still catch [[ThePlague a nasty illness]], fall victim to a "{{hunting accident}}," or be slain in an overt coup. On top of this, medieval monarchs were often expected to be [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething warr]][[WarriorPrince iors]], so the heir might be slain in battle, or even while [[TrainingAccident training for battle]]. Anything could happen to the oldest child, hence the importance of having a figurative spare tire to keep the kingdom and royal line running. In fact, he could even avoid all of this, succeed to the throne, and then fail to produce any surviving heirs of his own, in which case it would be prudent for his parents to provide him with a brother.

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The reasoning for this is simple. Back before modern medicine, child mortality was through the roof even for the ruling elite. Assuming a prince survived past the age of five, they could still catch [[ThePlague a nasty illness]], fall victim to a "{{hunting accident}}," or be slain in an overt coup. On top of this, medieval monarchs were often expected to be [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething warr]][[WarriorPrince iors]], [[WarriorPrince warriors]], so the heir might be slain in battle, or even while [[TrainingAccident training for battle]]. Anything could happen to the oldest child, hence the importance of having a figurative spare tire to keep the kingdom and royal line running. In fact, he could even avoid all of this, succeed to the throne, and then fail to produce any surviving heirs of his own, in which case it would be prudent for his parents to provide him with a brother.
5th Nov '17 6:11:08 PM PaulA
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* The main character of Creator/AndreNorton's first published novel, ''The Prince Commands'', didn't have a clue he was of the [[{{Ruritania}} Morvanian]] royal family until he was eighteen, when his guardian introduced him to some visiting nobles with the words, "This is His Royal Highness." And then they told him that his grandfather the King had been assassinated, and the Crown Prince died in an ... accident ... before he could be crowned, and guess who's next up for the throne?

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* The main character of Creator/AndreNorton's first published novel, ''The Prince Commands'', ''Literature/ThePrinceCommands'', didn't have a clue he was of the [[{{Ruritania}} Morvanian]] royal family until he was eighteen, when his guardian introduced him to some visiting nobles with the words, "This is His Royal Highness." And then they told him that his grandfather the King had been assassinated, and the Crown Prince died in an ... accident ... before he could be crowned, and guess who's next up for the throne?
26th Oct '17 11:10:43 AM BeerBaron
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* The ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series has got a few examples in the backstory. One of the most notable is detailed in the InGameNovel [[http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous Rislav the Righteous]]. The titular Rislav was the fourth son in line to the Kingdom of Skingrad, while his older brother Dorald was another spare who was allowed to follow his dream to become a priest of [[TheChurch the religion that swept the empire]] that the kingdom was associated with, but still independent from. When a plague killed the king and everyone ahead of Dorald in the succession, he took the throne and promptly ceded it to the empire. Rislav promptly killed his older brother and took the throne for himself, which was fine by the rest of the kingdom, who wanted to maintain their autonomy.

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* The ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series has got a few examples in the backstory. One of the most notable is detailed in the InGameNovel [[http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous Rislav the Righteous]]. The titular Rislav was the fourth son in line to the Kingdom of Skingrad, while his older brother Dorald was another spare who was allowed to follow his dream to become a priest of [[TheChurch the religion that swept the empire]] that the kingdom was associated with, but still independent from. When a plague killed the king and everyone ahead of Dorald in the succession, he took the throne and promptly ceded it to the empire. Rislav promptly killed his older brother and took the throne for himself, which was fine by the rest of the kingdom, who wanted to maintain their autonomy.
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