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19th May '16 6:26:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* At the age of eleven, [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Aral Vorkosigan]] watched as his mother and older brother were slain by a death squad sent by the mad emperor Yuri. While these events happened before the time of the books, they are of critical importance in the relationship between his father, Count Piotr Vorkosigan, and his son, Miles. His mother, Cordelia, was poisoned while pregnant, and the boy was considered lost by both Count Piotr and their doctors, who called for an abortion, with the intent of trying again for a healthy heir.

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At the age of eleven, [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Aral Vorkosigan]] Vorkosigan watched as his mother and older brother were slain by a death squad sent by the mad emperor Yuri. While these events happened before the time of the books, they are of critical importance in the relationship between his father, Count Piotr Vorkosigan, and his son, Miles. His mother, Cordelia, was poisoned while pregnant, and the boy was considered lost by both Count Piotr and their doctors, who called for an abortion, with the intent of trying again for a healthy heir.
19th May '16 6:26:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheMoteInGodsEye''. Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir.

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* ''TheMoteInGodsEye''.''Literature/TheMoteInGodsEye''. Commander Roderick Blaine was the second oldest son in a noble family, who wanted nothing more than a Navy career and the chance to become Grand Admiral someday. His older brother George was in line to inherit the estates and title when their father retired but was killed in battle, leaving Rod as the heir.
9th May '16 12:25:25 AM Vios
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* In ''VisualNovel/ReflectionsOnTheRiver'', Prince Shun was adopted essentially for that purpose. The king and queen weren't sure that they'd ever be able to have children of their own, so arranged to adopt a prince from an allied kingdom — but now they ''do'' have their own child, and Shun became the backup. He doesn't hold any grudges against the new heir, but he does feel useless and unappreciated, as he's not allowed to ever do anything useful — he just has to hang around in idleness until they're sure he won't be needed.
6th May '16 4:11:45 PM karstovich2
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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be one of Louis' best commanders.

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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be [[AgentPeacock one of Louis' best commanders.commanders]].
6th May '16 4:11:00 PM karstovich2
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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career.

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** In order to prevent a repetition of a repetition of this pattern, Louis XIII's queen (later widow) Anne of Austria raised her second son Philippe, Duke of Orléans, in a more pampered and effete way, deliberately encouraging his homosexual tendencies, so that he would never become a potential rival for his elder brother, UsefulNotes/LouisXIV. (Note that despite being gay, Philippe still founded a legitimate cadet branch of the dynasty that eventually took the throne.) For the same reason, Louis would later cut short Philippe's military career.career, even though Philippe had (to practically everyone's surprise) proven to be one of Louis' best commanders.
6th May '16 3:56:37 PM karstovich2
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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), the rival candidate.

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** Empress Matilda, claimant to the English throne (from 1135 to 1153) and ancestor of the Plantagenet kings, was the eldest daughter of Henry I Beauclerc, but his initial heir was her brother William Adelin (1103-1120). When William died in the White Ship tragedy along with most of the vessel's passengers and crew, Matilda was about 18 years old and was already the widow of Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Left without male heirs, Henry took the unprecedented step of making his barons swear to accept his daughter Empress Matilda as his heir. Matilda spent her "reign" in a civil war against her cousin Stephen (reigned 1135-1154), the rival candidate.candidate; the issue of the succession wasn't resolved until Stephen accepted Matilda's son, Henry Curtmantle (later [[UsefulNotes/HenryTheSecond Henry II]]), as heir.
16th Apr '16 12:26:31 PM totoofze47
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* ''Manga/OnePiece'': As a flashback shows, Sabo's parents adopted Stelly, a noble child of even higher status than him, as Sabo kept running away to see Ace and Luffy, among other "lower-class trash" in their eyes. The parents expected Sabo and Stelly to get along, but since the latter was a dick like the other nobles, and only Sabo was kind, it didn't turn out too well. [[spoiler:Sabo was eventually shot by a World Noble and presumed dead, while Stelly grew up to be the king of Goa Kingdom.]]
9th Apr '16 8:53:55 PM 20person
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* Pops up all over the place in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' due to a messy and protracted multiway civil war with [[AnyoneCanDie a high casualty rate]]. Before the main story begins, Ned Stark was this to his brother Brandon, and Maester Aemon was offered this but abdicated in favor of his younger brother (who was called "Aegon the Unlikely" for how far down the line of succession they had to go to finally find someone to take the job). Renly and Stannis vie for this after the death of older brother Robert, Stannis playing it slightly more straight (reluctant but insistent) while Renly leaps at the chance. Tommen is this to older brother Joffrey. Daenerys is this to her brother Viserys, and in ''A Dance With Dragons'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Aegon is alive after all (if he's genuine), making Daenerys this to ''him'' as well]]. And depending on how things go, either Bran, Rickon, or Jon is likely to become this to Robb. There are probably dozens of other minor examples that don't spring immediately to mind.

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* Pops up all over the place in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' due to a messy and protracted multiway civil war with [[AnyoneCanDie a high casualty rate]]. Before the main story begins, Ned Stark was this to his brother Brandon, and Maester Aemon was offered this but abdicated in favor of his younger brother (who was called "Aegon the Unlikely" for how far down the line of succession they had to go to finally find someone to take the job).job[[note]]He was the fourth son of a fourth son, and was favoured over his infant (and [[UnfortunateNames unfortunately named]]) nephew Maegor[[/note]]). Renly and Stannis vie for this after the death of older brother Robert, Stannis playing it slightly more straight (reluctant but insistent) while Renly leaps at the chance. Tommen is this to older brother Joffrey. Daenerys is this to her brother Viserys, and in ''A Dance With Dragons'' it is revealed that [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen's son Aegon is alive after all (if he's genuine), making Daenerys this to ''him'' as well]]. And depending on how things go, either Bran, Rickon, or Jon is likely to become this to Robb. There are probably dozens of other minor examples that don't spring immediately to mind.
2nd Apr '16 10:28:11 PM BURGINABC
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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. Both Anna and her boyfriend Hans were born in this position (in fact, Hans has seven older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are nil), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]].

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* This was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally]] planned to play into the story of ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', with Anna feeling some angst over her role as the "superfluous" sister while the older Elsa is set up to be queen. In the actual movie this is averted -- while Elsa spends much of the movie in exile or arrested, and Anna briefly holds power as regent before she heads off alone to look for Elsa, no one really talks about Anna taking her place as queen, likely because there isn't any chance to figure that out before everything is resolved. [[spoiler:Well, Hans ''does'' consider it. In fact, he banks on this trope when he plans to woo Anna, marry her, kill Elsa, and then be set up as king of Arandelle.]] Strictly speaking, however, this film averts this trope: once their parents die, Elsa is the queen, Anna is the heir, and there is no spare [[spoiler:which is where Hans sees himself fitting in]]. Both Anna and [[spoiler: her boyfriend Hans Hans]] were born in this position (in ([[spoiler:in fact, Hans has seven twelve older siblings, so his chances of inheriting are nil), basically nil]]), but while Anna is happy in a supporting role to her sister, [[spoiler: Hans has [[EvilAllAlong let it bother him somewhat]].somewhat]]]].
29th Feb '16 4:03:14 PM Eievie
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->''"My parents were ... rather traditional. They wanted the heir and the spare, and I was left in the cold."''

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->''"My parents were ... were… rather traditional. They wanted the heir and the spare, and I was left in the cold."''
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