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16th Nov '16 4:49:48 PM frogpatrol
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In science fiction, space is rarely deliberately magical, but rather ends up that way due to insufficient research, the RuleOfCool, or excessive [[HandWave handwaving]]. Thus it's better described by its related tropes. However, when fantasy ventures into the final frontier, space is literally magical. Natural law isn't just ignored; it's shown the door and told not to come back. It's entirely replaced by a [[HereThereWereDragons Here be Dragons]] sign. This is typical for fantasy, but when it's applied to outer space, things can get...weird.

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In science fiction, ScienceFiction, space is rarely deliberately magical, but rather ends up that way due to insufficient research, the RuleOfCool, or excessive [[HandWave handwaving]]. Thus it's better described by its related tropes. However, when fantasy ventures into the final frontier, space is literally magical. Natural law isn't just ignored; it's shown the door and told not to come back. It's entirely replaced by a [[HereThereWereDragons Here be Dragons]] sign. This is typical for fantasy, but when it's applied to outer space, things can get...weird.



* ''Disney/TreasurePlanet''. It's probably best if you just think of it as a film adaptation of the ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' setting discussed below.

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* ''Disney/TreasurePlanet''. It's probably best if you just to think of it as a film adaptation of the ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' setting discussed below.(discussed below).



* This was essentially the main premise of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_spheres Celestial spheres]] theory of the universe. Before Newton, it was understood that objects in the air will fall to Earth, yet the stars and planets could be seen hovering in the sky in fixed positions. Early philosophers reasoned that the observed "rules" for earthbound objects must end at some unknown distance from earth-the beginning of the "outer space" concept.

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* This was essentially the main premise of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_spheres Celestial spheres]] theory of the universe. Before Newton, it was understood that objects in the air will fall to Earth, yet the stars and planets could be seen hovering in the sky in fixed positions. Early philosophers reasoned that the observed "rules" for earthbound objects must end at some unknown distance from earth-the beginning of the "outer space" concept.
26th May '16 1:52:50 PM Theriocephalus
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** In the TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}} setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Greek philosophers were right. Each solar system is enclosed in an enormous crystal sphere, which has the stars embedded in its inner surface. Spaceships are frequently modified [[SpaceSailing ocean-faring vessels]]. Gravity is uniform; even the ships have an intrinsic gravitational field. The laws of reality within the spheres themselves are wildly variable, with some being geocentric, some being heliocentric, while others are Dyson Spheres populated by planet-sized megafauna. Inhabited worlds range from regular planets to asteroid fields with their own atmospheres to {{flat world}}s on the back of giant animals. Space outside the spheres is a flammable substance called Phlogiston that allows for fast travel between the spheres.

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** In the TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}} setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Greek philosophers were right. Each solar system is enclosed in an enormous crystal sphere, which has the stars embedded in its inner surface. Spaceships are frequently modified [[SpaceSailing ocean-faring vessels]]. Gravity is uniform; even the ships have an intrinsic gravitational field. The laws of reality within the spheres themselves are wildly variable, with some being geocentric, geocentric and some being heliocentric, while others are Dyson Spheres {{Dyson Sphere}}s populated by planet-sized megafauna. Inhabited worlds range from regular planets to asteroid fields with their own atmospheres to {{flat world}}s {{Flat World}}s on the back of giant animals. Space outside the spheres is a flammable substance called Phlogiston that allows for fast travel between the spheres.
26th May '16 1:51:30 PM Theriocephalus
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* In the TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}} setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Greek philosophers were right. Each solar system is enclosed in an enormous crystal sphere, which has the stars embedded in its inner surface. Spaceships are frequently modified [[SpaceSailing ocean faring vessels]]. Gravity is uniform; even the ships have an intrinsic gravitational field. The laws of reality within the spheres themselves are wildly variable, with some being geocentric, while others are Dyson Spheres populated by planet-sized megafauna. Space outside the spheres is a flammable substance called Phlogiston that allows for fast travel between the spheres.

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In the TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}} setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Greek philosophers were right. Each solar system is enclosed in an enormous crystal sphere, which has the stars embedded in its inner surface. Spaceships are frequently modified [[SpaceSailing ocean faring ocean-faring vessels]]. Gravity is uniform; even the ships have an intrinsic gravitational field. The laws of reality within the spheres themselves are wildly variable, with some being geocentric, some being heliocentric, while others are Dyson Spheres populated by planet-sized megafauna.megafauna. Inhabited worlds range from regular planets to asteroid fields with their own atmospheres to {{flat world}}s on the back of giant animals. Space outside the spheres is a flammable substance called Phlogiston that allows for fast travel between the spheres.
19th Feb '16 12:44:11 PM Theriocephalus
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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch very tiny]]'' fractions of second, that in the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything in these times we're living, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could have existed by then would have been quite different of what exists in our epoch.

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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch very tiny]]'' fractions of second, that in the most extreme cases cases, in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything in these times we're living, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could have existed by then would have been quite different of what exists in our epoch.
19th Feb '16 12:41:48 PM Theriocephalus
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* Cosmology in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' universe is a little weird. For example, the two moons of Nirn are actually the [[GodIsDead physical corpse of a dead god]]. And other planets are projections of {{AlternateDimension}}s owned by the [[EldritchAbomination Aedra and Daedra]] puncturing through a [[VoidBetweenTheWorlds murky region known as the Oblivion]] in which everything floats. Stars and the formal sun are other punctures in Oblivion but project into the [[TheLifestream Aetherius]]. Also, the Serpent constellation moves around the sky without rhyme or reason and is said to be made of "[[MagiBabble unstars]]." Yeah.

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* Cosmology in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' universe is a little weird. For example, the two moons of Nirn are actually the [[GodIsDead physical corpse of a dead god]]. And other planets are projections of {{AlternateDimension}}s {{Alternate Dimension}}s owned by the [[EldritchAbomination Aedra and Daedra]] puncturing through a [[VoidBetweenTheWorlds murky region known as the Oblivion]] in which everything floats. Stars and the formal sun are other punctures in Oblivion but project into the [[TheLifestream Aetherius]]. Also, the Serpent constellation moves around the sky without rhyme or reason and is said to be made of "[[MagiBabble unstars]]." Yeah.
24th Aug '15 5:59:57 PM ScorpiusOB1
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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch very tiny]]'' fractions of second]]. In the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything existing now, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could exist by then would be quite different of what exists in our epoch.

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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch very tiny]]'' fractions of second]]. In second, that in the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything existing now, in these times we're living, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could exist have existed by then would be have been quite different of what exists in our epoch.
24th Aug '15 5:58:14 PM ScorpiusOB1
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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch ''very'' tiny fractions of a second]]. In the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything existing now, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could exist by then would be quite different of what exists in our epoch.

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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about [[https://en.''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch ''very'' tiny very tiny]]'' fractions of a second]]. In the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything existing now, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could exist by then would be quite different of what exists in our epoch.
24th Aug '15 5:56:04 PM ScorpiusOB1
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* During the very earliest stages of the Universe, just after the Big Bang[[note]](we're talking about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Planck_epoch ''very'' tiny fractions of a second]]. In the most extreme cases in proportion one to each other, however, they would look like a year (or even (much) less) compared to the current age of the Universe)[[/note]], among other things not only temperature and density were ''far'' higher than anything existing now, but also the four different elementary forces of the nature were combined into one or more. Anything that could exist by then would be quite different of what exists in our epoch.
6th Aug '15 2:36:10 PM HighCrate
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* {{Inverted}} in ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}''. Kryptonians are nearly identical to humans under a red sun (such as that orbited by Krypton), but under a yellow sun (such as ours), they develop powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.
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8th Jul '15 3:16:02 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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* {{Homestuck}}'s treatment of the Incipisphere, where all action in Sburb takes place, makes it seem less like space than a collection of celestial bodies orbiting Skaia with the entirety of anything outside of the gravitational pull of planets filled with oxygen. This is a necessity of the game, as characters gain the ability to move between planets without teleportation and you don't want to kill them unfairly.

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* {{Homestuck}}'s ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'''s treatment of the Incipisphere, where all action in Sburb takes place, makes it seem less like space than a collection of celestial bodies orbiting Skaia with the entirety of anything outside of the gravitational pull of planets filled with oxygen. This is a necessity of the game, as characters gain the ability to move between planets without teleportation and you don't want to kill them unfairly.
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