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16th Sep '17 7:17:29 AM Laqueesha
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] on Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US U.S. culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] on Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.



* Near the end of the video for D12's "My Band" (the lead single from their 2004 sophomore album "D12 World" and biggest hit to date), during the part where "lead singer" Music/Eminem does a joke teaser for his nonexistent song "My Salsa," we see Shady dressed in a matador's outfit and waving a cape while holding said salsa bottle. However, the rest of D12 are dressed in mariachi outfits and playing guitars.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA58u2y4I80 Near the end of the video for D12's "My Band" (the lead single from their 2004 sophomore album "D12 World" and biggest hit to date), during the part where "lead singer" Music/Eminem does a joke teaser for his nonexistent song "My Salsa," we see Shady dressed in a matador's outfit and waving a cape while holding said salsa bottle. However, the rest of D12 are dressed in mariachi outfits and playing guitars.]]
15th Sep '17 7:21:42 PM johnnye
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--> '''Neil:''' Would you care for some tortillas? ...No, wait, that's Mexico. Never mind. ...I've been around, you know.

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--> '''Neil:''' Would you care for some tortillas? ...No, wait, that's Mexico. Never mind. ...I've been around, you know.[[note]]Ironically [[RightForTheWrongReasons there is a very popular Spanish dish]] called "tortilla", better known in English as "Spanish omelette".[[/note]]
20th Aug '17 2:01:36 PM WillKeaton
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* Averted with Argos, the FantasyCounterpartCulture of Spain in ''TabletopGame/AnimaBeyondFantasy''. While depicted as having a mostly barren landscape (see "Real Life" below) very similar to (most of) RealLife Spain, complete with windmills and resembling the real country during the time of the Catholic Monarchs (feudalism, strong ties to the Church, and (very exaggerated) religious fanatism) TorosYFlamenco is nowhere mentioned, nor anything that resembles this trope[[note]]That the game is Spanish, as well as the rather vague and short descriptions of each country, surely help[[/note]].

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* Averted with Argos, the FantasyCounterpartCulture of Spain in ''TabletopGame/AnimaBeyondFantasy''. While depicted as having a mostly barren landscape (see "Real Life" below) very similar to (most of) RealLife Spain, complete with windmills and resembling the real country during the time of the Catholic Monarchs (feudalism, strong ties to the Church, and (very exaggerated) religious fanatism) TorosYFlamenco is nowhere mentioned, nor anything that resembles this trope[[note]]That trope.[[note]]That the game is Spanish, as well as the rather vague and short descriptions of each country, surely help[[/note]].help.[[/note]]
20th Aug '17 2:00:54 PM WillKeaton
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* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant jumps to stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.

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* The [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona street scenes]] in the episode "[[TorosYFlamenco El Toro Bravo]]" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' were filmed in the "[[http://www.[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/oldmexico.shtml Old Mexico]]" "Old Mexico"]] set at Creator/{{Universal}} Studios, a place better suited for a Pancho Villa or {{Franchise/Zorro}} flick with dwarf palms, cacti, sand-covered streets and buildings clearly intended for a climate both warmer and drier,[[note]]Mostly [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_the_California_missions Mission style]], but with more than one flat [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos_Pueblo,_New_Mexico Puebloan-like]] rooftop[[/note]] which is only made more obvious by the abundant jumps to stock footage of the real [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamplona Pamplona]]. Why they didn't film in the "[[http://www.[[http://www.thestudiotour.com/wp/studios/universal-studios-hollywood/backlot/current-backlot-sets/little-europe/ Little Europe]]" "Little Europe"]] set used by ''Series/TheUnit'' and ''Series/CarolineInTheCity'' (this one with its own Running of the Bulls, even) is anyone's guess. Another puzzling element is that the actors playing Spaniards (none of them born in Spain) were apparently coached to make a Spaniard accent when speaking English, but not when speaking Spanish. Most tried on their own ([[OohMeAccentsSlipping with variable success]]) but the one playing the BiggerBad didn't.
20th Aug '17 2:00:18 PM WillKeaton
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* Verizon, as seen in [[http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/04/17/spain-mexico-whatever/ this sociologist's blog post]], has got a print ad out there with "Coverage in Spain" on it (just ignore the "and [[LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics 25 more countries]] than the UN recognizes" part) with the Verizon guy in front of a crowd of stereotypical Mexicans.

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* Verizon, as seen in [[http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/04/17/spain-mexico-whatever/ this sociologist's blog post]], post,]] has got a print ad out there with "Coverage in Spain" on it (just ignore the "and [[LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics 25 more countries]] than the UN recognizes" part) with the Verizon guy in front of a crowd of stereotypical Mexicans.
20th Aug '17 1:59:40 PM WillKeaton
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Fiction writers seem to not just confuse UsefulNotes/{{Mexico}} and UsefulNotes/{{Spain}}, but to fuse them into a strange amalgam of the most general stereotypes of both, much as {{Scotireland}} fuses Scotland and Ireland. Maybe it's because they share [[UsefulNotes/SpanishLanguage a language]] and their majority [[ChristianityIsCatholic religion]], the fact that Mexico used to be a Spanish colony, they both have exotic foods and customs compared to an Anglo-Saxon culture[[note]]And compared to each other, as well.[[/note]], or simply that the author didn't check the facts ''and'' hasn't travelled much, either.

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Fiction writers seem to not just confuse UsefulNotes/{{Mexico}} and UsefulNotes/{{Spain}}, but to fuse them into a strange amalgam of the most general stereotypes of both, much as {{Scotireland}} fuses Scotland and Ireland. Maybe it's because they share [[UsefulNotes/SpanishLanguage a language]] and their majority [[ChristianityIsCatholic religion]], the fact that Mexico used to be a Spanish colony, they both have exotic foods and customs compared to an Anglo-Saxon culture[[note]]And culture,[[note]]And compared to each other, as well.[[/note]], [[/note]] or simply that the author didn't check the facts ''and'' hasn't travelled much, either.
8th Aug '17 9:18:25 AM CosmicFerret
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** Antonio Banderas is Spanish, but often plays Mexican characters, such as in his two ''Film/ElMariachi'' films. In the original English version and in the Mexican dub for ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' he gives Puss-in-Boots a thick Spaniard accent, whereas in the Spaniard dub he uses an Andalusian accent (which, funnily enough, is his ''mother'' accent--he's from Málaga).

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** Antonio Banderas is Spanish, but often plays Mexican characters, such as in his two ''Film/ElMariachi'' films. In the original English version and in the Mexican dub for ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' he gives Puss-in-Boots a thick Spaniard accent, whereas in the Spaniard dub he uses an Andalusian accent (which, funnily enough, is his ''mother'' accent--he's from Málaga).
14th Jul '17 11:22:04 AM Bearsca
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in on Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.
5th Jul '17 6:28:34 PM jormis29
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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.

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American writers (and particularly those in [[SoCalization California]]) also have the excuse that Mexico is literally over the border from the US while Spain is an ocean away, so the more familiar Mexican culture to them colours their perception of Spain. This approach, naturally, requires the writer to ignore that Mexican culture owes as much to the native cultures that existed there before the Spanish conquest as it does to Spain's (although Hollywood has never showed its strength when having to [[{{Mayincatec}} keep those apart either]]), that Mexico is more influenced by US culture than Spain is, and that the two countries are, simply put, [[CaptainObvious an ocean apart]] from each other and have been not under the same flag for almost two centuries now, meaning that they have had ample room to develop independently from each other - be it in law, politics, holidays, food, dress, music or even language. Indeed, not only do they speak different dialects of Spanish in Spain and Mexico (the [[SeriousBusiness epic wars]] between supporters of [[SameLanguageDub Castilian and Latin American dubs]] in {{YouTube}} Website/{{YouTube}} are testament to that) but there are also different accents and dialects within the countries themselves.



* In the ''WebOriginal/YouTube'' viral video ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLdFFKvhH4 4 Shocking Facts about US Healthcare]]'' (a.k.a. "I can literally fly to Spain, live in Madrid for 2 years, learn Spanish, run with the bulls, get trampled, get my hip replaced again, and fly home for less than the cost of a hip replacement in the US."), the narrator's avatar wears a mariachi suit and sombrero after he undergoes two years of "cultural acclimation" in Madrid.

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* In the ''WebOriginal/YouTube'' ''Website/YouTube'' viral video ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLdFFKvhH4 4 Shocking Facts about US Healthcare]]'' (a.k.a. "I can literally fly to Spain, live in Madrid for 2 years, learn Spanish, run with the bulls, get trampled, get my hip replaced again, and fly home for less than the cost of a hip replacement in the US."), the narrator's avatar wears a mariachi suit and sombrero after he undergoes two years of "cultural acclimation" in Madrid.
30th Jun '17 5:08:43 PM Laqueesha
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Compare FarEast, AncientGrome, {{Scotireland}}, and {{Mayincatec}}. [=Spexico=] is not the only example of transatlantic fusion, however: a similar phenomenon occurs with depictions of Quebec in Hollywood movies as being full of Frenchmen with Parisian accents and mannerisms, and outside the Anglosphere some people can't see the difference between the UK and the USA either.

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Compare FarEast, AncientGrome, {{Scotireland}}, and {{Mayincatec}}. [=Spexico=] is not the only example of transatlantic fusion, however: a similar phenomenon occurs with depictions of Quebec in Hollywood movies as being full of Frenchmen with Parisian accents and mannerisms, and outside the Anglosphere some people can't see the difference between the UK and the USA US either.
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