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7th Apr '16 10:00:42 AM Kakai
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Godslave}}'', Sobek is loped into helping Heru and seems incredibly unhappy about the arrangement, to the point of aiding Anpu behind Heru's back. Even then, he clearly states that he doesn't like Anpu and is very sour about "having" to aid him.
7th Jan '16 9:11:32 PM Steven
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* Amarant in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' joins Zidane's party after being defeated by him, but he is absolutely puzzled as to why Zidane wastes so much energy sticking with his friends when Amarant believes the strong works alone and how people could get things done if they just did it themselves instead of relying on others. At one point, he ditches the party after beating Zidane in a race to see who could reach a specific room in a castle first, but after falling into a trap, Zidane runs back to save him, causing Amarant to rethink his logic after seeing Zidane had gone out of their way to save him just because he needed help.
12th Nov '15 7:30:21 PM nemui10pm
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-->-- '''Grantaire''', ''[[Theatre/LesMiserables]]''

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-->-- '''Grantaire''', ''[[Theatre/LesMiserables]]''
''Theatre/LesMiserables''
21st Sep '15 3:43:46 AM MechWarrior
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But if so, he will regard it as SenselessSacrifice. GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's {{plan}} futile, and may join only because [[PowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.) When it dawns on him that victory is possible, an attack of HopeIsScary is not uncommon.

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But if so, he will regard it as SenselessSacrifice. GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's {{plan}} futile, and may join only because [[PowerOfFriendship [[ThePowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.) When it dawns on him that victory is possible, an attack of HopeIsScary is not uncommon.



* Sawamura in ''WaGaNaWaUmishi'' is a textbook example. It's a mystery why he still works for Nanba Salvage, given his proven world-class skills and obvious disdain for Rintarou.

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* Sawamura in ''WaGaNaWaUmishi'' ''Manga/WaGaNaWaUmishi'' is a textbook example. It's a mystery why he still works for Nanba Salvage, given his proven world-class skills and obvious disdain for Rintarou.



* ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'': {{Discussed}}. Morgan is a more traditionalist Romulan than D'trel, a Unificationist, and tells Praetor Velal of the Romulan Star Empire that she thinks that Proconsul D'Tan of the Romulan Republic is a [[WideEyedIdealist "naive idealist"]] and says she doesn't agree with his politics. But she follows him because whatever his faults, he's sincerely trying to help, while the Empire was useless after [[Film/StarTrek Hobus]] and the [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ''caused'' it.

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* ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'': {{Discussed}}.[[DiscussedTrope Discussed]]. Morgan is a more traditionalist Romulan than D'trel, a Unificationist, and tells Praetor Velal of the Romulan Star Empire that she thinks that Proconsul D'Tan of the Romulan Republic is a [[WideEyedIdealist "naive idealist"]] and says she doesn't agree with his politics. But she follows him because whatever his faults, he's sincerely trying to help, while the Empire was useless after [[Film/StarTrek Hobus]] and the [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ''caused'' it.



* In the film ''SeventeenSeventySix'' (and musical, both of which are TruthInTelevision to some extent), John Dickinson refuses to sign the Declaration of Independence, instead choosing to join the militia and fight for independence even though he believes the effort will fail.

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* In the film ''SeventeenSeventySix'' ''Theatre/SeventeenSeventySix'' (and musical, both of which are TruthInTelevision to some extent), John Dickinson refuses to sign the Declaration of Independence, instead choosing to join the militia and fight for independence even though he believes the effort will fail.



* In SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain novel ''Death Or Glory'', when discussing difficulties getting through a mountain range, the guide Sandy Kolfax says it hardly matters since they will all die before they get there, and later Cain catches him drinking and he professes that it does not matter, as they will all die. But he does lead them. [[spoiler:To the mountains, even. Where he dies.]]

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* In SandyMitchell's Creator/SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain novel ''Death Or Glory'', when discussing difficulties getting through a mountain range, the guide Sandy Kolfax says it hardly matters since they will all die before they get there, and later Cain catches him drinking and he professes that it does not matter, as they will all die. But he does lead them. [[spoiler:To the mountains, even. Where he dies.]]



--> "I don't think Expelliarmus is exactly going to help us against You-Know-Who"\\

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--> "I don't think Expelliarmus is exactly going to help us against You-Know-Who"\\You-Know-Who."\\



* In John Barnes's ''Literature/OneForTheMorningGlory'', they hear a ballad that ends with a young woman prisoner to the goblins, and [[AllMythsAreTrue since it's true]], [[GenreSavvy and they know it]], [[DamselInDistress they discuss rescuing her]]. Gorlias is as enthusiatic as any, and characters object: he's the oldest, he ''should'' be gravely warning them against it and talking of its dangers. Gorlias proceeds to discuss its dangers in a portentous tone, as if he had warned them off, but on the trip itself, he's perfectly cheerful.

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* In John Barnes's ''Literature/OneForTheMorningGlory'', they hear a ballad that ends with a young woman prisoner to the goblins, and [[AllMythsAreTrue since it's true]], [[GenreSavvy and they know it]], [[DamselInDistress they discuss rescuing her]]. Gorlias is as enthusiatic enthusiastic as any, and characters object: he's the oldest, he ''should'' be gravely warning them against it and talking of its dangers. Gorlias proceeds to discuss its dangers in a portentous tone, as if he had warned them off, but on the trip itself, he's perfectly cheerful.



* In GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', [[spoiler:the Professor]] gravely explains the difference between himself and Syme: Syme thinks that what he proposes to do it possible, he knows it's impossible, and will nevertheless try to do it.

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* In GKChesterton's Creator/GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', [[spoiler:the Professor]] gravely explains the difference between himself and Syme: Syme thinks that what he proposes to do it is possible, he knows it's impossible, and will nevertheless try to do it.



-->'''Spike:''' (after a less than encouraging pep talk) Well, not exactly the [[HenryV St. Crispins's Day Speech]], was it?

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-->'''Spike:''' (after a less than encouraging pep talk) Well, not exactly the [[HenryV [[Theatre/HenryV St. Crispins's Day Speech]], was it?



* StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Reasons for why range from [[CausticCritic "They're theater critics!"]] to "We don't even know how to get out of this stupid theater box!" to simply [[VoodooShark "I guess we'll never know!"]]

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* StatlerAndWaldorf JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Reasons for why range from [[CausticCritic "They're theater critics!"]] to "We don't even know how to get out of this stupid theater box!" to simply [[VoodooShark "I guess we'll never know!"]]



* Ron Swanson in ''ParksAndRecreation''. He considers his government job to be a useless joke, but admires Leslie's spirit and enthusiasm, and goes all out for her - and all his acquaintances there.

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* Ron Swanson in ''ParksAndRecreation''.''Series/ParksAndRecreation''. He considers his government job to be a useless joke, but admires Leslie's spirit and enthusiasm, and goes all out for her - and all his acquaintances there.



* Victor Niguel in ''TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for GUILT.

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* Victor Niguel in ''TraumaCenter'' ''VideoGame/TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for GUILT.



* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die.

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* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''{{Suikoden}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die.



** Also Flik. He's at first REALLY pissed that you got his lover Odessa killed. But he joins you anyway, and his mindset is like "Let's see if you're worthy of replacing Odessa." It wasn't until [[spoiler:Gremio's tragic death]] that he starts letting off with you and eventually [[CharacterDevelopment develops further]] until he's the series' EnsembleDarkHorse.

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** Also Flik. He's at first REALLY pissed that you got his lover Odessa killed. But he joins you anyway, and his mindset is like "Let's see if you're worthy of replacing Odessa." It wasn't until [[spoiler:Gremio's tragic death]] that he starts letting off with you and eventually [[CharacterDevelopment develops further]] until he's the series' EnsembleDarkHorse.EnsembleDarkhorse.



** He does undergo CharacterDevelopment to become a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[CrowningMusicofAwesome theme music.]]

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** He does undergo CharacterDevelopment to become a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[CrowningMusicofAwesome [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic theme music.]]



* Xan, the clinically depressed enchanter in ''BaldursGate''. He is very vocal about how your quest is futile, but he helps you anyway, presumably because he sees ''everything else in the world'' as equally pointless.

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* Xan, the clinically depressed enchanter in ''BaldursGate''.''VideoGame/BaldursGate''. He is very vocal about how your quest is futile, but he helps you anyway, presumably because he sees ''everything else in the world'' as equally pointless.



* Any companion with enough rivalry in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. Some will consistently begrudge the player's support of mages or templars, and Isabella won't believe she returned [[MacGuffin The Artifact]] she originally stole.
* Clive Handforth from ''LittleBigPlanet 2.''

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* Any companion with enough rivalry in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. Some will consistently begrudge the player's support of mages or templars, Templars, and Isabella won't believe she returned [[MacGuffin The Artifact]] she originally stole.
* Clive Handforth from ''LittleBigPlanet ''VideoGame/LittleBigPlanet 2.''



* ''PlanescapeTorment'' features a Baatzu (a race of LawfulEvil demons) who was bound into a lifetime of good deeds by the angel Trias, to last until the angel's death. As such, he has to do everything he can to accommodate the Nameless One when he shows up on his doorstep, but he's more than happy to let him know that sure as hell isn't going to ''enjoy'' it.

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* ''PlanescapeTorment'' ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' features a Baatzu (a race of LawfulEvil demons) who was bound into a lifetime of good deeds by the angel Trias, to last until the angel's death. As such, he has to do everything he can to accommodate the Nameless One when he shows up on his doorstep, but he's more than happy to let him know that sure as hell isn't going to ''enjoy'' it.



* Rocky the rogue from ''OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.

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* Rocky the rogue from ''OurLittleAdventure'' ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.



* Kirby from ''TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.

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* Kirby from ''TheBraveLittleToaster'' ''WesternAnimation/TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.



* Lance of ''SymBionicTitan'' often falls victim to a two to one vote.

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* Lance of ''SymBionicTitan'' ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' often falls victim to a two to one vote.
30th Aug '15 12:07:22 PM hipopotamo
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* Pato, from ''Webcomic/M9Girls'' is not always fond of the other girls' decisions, from being treated with cosmic radiation to Karla's choice of [[MiniDressOfPower costumes]].

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* Pato, from ''Webcomic/M9Girls'' is not always fond of the other girls' decisions, ranging from being treated with cosmic radiation to Karla's choice of [[MiniDressOfPower costumes]].
24th Aug '15 12:54:25 PM bubblegum
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->''"I promise you life," I replied; "but with the understanding that you serve me faithfully and none other, undertaking no business of your own, until mine has been carried to a successful conclusion."\\
"That means that I shall have to serve you for life," he replied, "for the thing you have undertaken you can never accomplish; but that is better than lying here on a cold ersite slab waiting for old Ras Thavas to come along and carve out my gizzard. I am yours! Let me up, that I may feel a good pair of legs under me again."''
-->-- '''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]''

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->''"I promise you life," I replied; "but ->''Drink with me''
->''To days gone by''
->''Can it be''
->''You fear to die?''
->''Will
the understanding that world remember you''
->''When
you serve me faithfully and none other, undertaking no business of fall?''
->''Could it be
your own, until mine has been carried to a successful conclusion."\\
"That means that I shall have to serve you for life," he replied, "for the thing you have undertaken you can never accomplish; but that is better than lying here on a cold ersite slab waiting for old Ras Thavas to come along and carve out my gizzard. I am yours! Let me up, that I may feel a good pair of legs under me again."''
death''
->''Means nothing at all?''
->''Is your life just one more lie?''
-->-- '''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]''
'''Grantaire''', ''[[Theatre/LesMiserables]]''
1st Aug '15 5:20:02 PM nombretomado
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* Kai Shiden from ''MobileSuitGundam'', specially before his CharacterDevelopment.

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* Kai Shiden from ''MobileSuitGundam'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', specially before his CharacterDevelopment.
27th Jul '15 7:40:46 AM TheUnknownUploader
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* StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Arguments for why range from "They're theater critics" to "[[BileFascination They have too much fun mocking the acts]]" to the Muppet 3-D answer, "They're glued to the seats".

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* StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Arguments Reasons for why range from [[CausticCritic "They're theater critics" critics!"]] to "[[BileFascination They have too much fun mocking the acts]]" "We don't even know how to the Muppet 3-D answer, "They're glued get out of this stupid theater box!" to the seats".simply [[VoodooShark "I guess we'll never know!"]]
18th Jun '15 6:14:22 PM markok1313
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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' Otto von Zinzer epitomizes this trope. He frequently and vocally professes a dislike of all things Sparky and constantly says he will leave at the first opportunity...and yet he never does and has helped save the day more than once with his non-sparky [[TheEngineer mechanical skills]]

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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' Otto Moloch von Zinzer epitomizes this trope. He frequently and vocally professes a dislike of all things Sparky and constantly says he will leave at the first opportunity...and yet he never does and has helped save the day more than once with his non-sparky [[TheEngineer mechanical skills]]
28th May '15 6:45:04 PM eroock
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-->--'''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]''

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-->--'''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', -->-- '''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]''
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