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25th Nov '16 10:57:34 AM redandready45
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--> '''Science Teacher''': “The old, outdated hoaxes or mistakes were proven to be hoaxes and mistakes NOT by Creationists but by … SCIENTISTS! That is what’s great about REAL science: When we make mistakes, we CORRECT them. We do NOT try to fit things to a prejudiced notion. That is what ‘Christian Scientists’ and ‘Creationist’ do. ‘Christian Science’ is an oxymoron, my friend!...In the Bible, Jesus clearly states that if you believe in Him, that you can drink poison and not get sick (Mark 16:17). Wanna drink this glass of Drano and prove your faith?”

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--> '''Science Teacher''': “The old, outdated hoaxes or mistakes were proven to be hoaxes and mistakes NOT by Creationists but by … SCIENTISTS! That is what’s great about REAL science: When we make mistakes, we CORRECT them. We do NOT try to fit things to a prejudiced notion. That is what ‘Christian Scientists’ and ‘Creationist’ do. ‘Christian Science’ is an oxymoron, my friend!...In the Bible, Jesus clearly states that if you believe in Him, that you can drink poison and not get sick (Mark 16:17). [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Wanna drink this glass of Drano and prove your faith?”faith]]?”
25th Nov '16 10:56:35 AM redandready45
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* ''Foo.ca'' redid the anti-evolution [[ComicBook/ChickTracts Chick Tract]] ''Big Daddy'', and created [[http://foo.ca/wp/chick-tract-satire/whos-your-daddy/ Who's Your Daddy?]]. In it, the science teacher (calmly and respectfully, unlike in the original tract) breaks down every fundamentalist argument made by the zealot student against evolution as BS, and drops a solid aesop about why "Christian" science is a crock, and how messed up extreme fundamentalism really is
--> '''Science Teacher''': “The old, outdated hoaxes or mistakes were proven to be hoaxes and mistakes NOT by Creationists but by … SCIENTISTS! That is what’s great about REAL science: When we make mistakes, we CORRECT them. We do NOT try to fit things to a prejudiced notion. That is what ‘Christian Scientists’ and ‘Creationist’ do. ‘Christian Science’ is an oxymoron, my friend!...In the Bible, Jesus clearly states that if you believe in Him, that you can drink poison and not get sick (Mark 16:17). Wanna drink this glass of Drano and prove your faith?”
15th Nov '16 5:37:22 PM kquinn0830
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped/SouthPark

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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped/SouthPark''[[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped/SouthPark South Park]]''
14th Nov '16 7:29:50 PM nombretomado
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** ''KatawaShoujo'' has a different aesop for each girl's path, as well as a couple over-arching ones for the game as a whole, and while they are varying degrees of {{Anvilicious}}, pretty much all of them needed to be dropped.

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** ''KatawaShoujo'' ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'' has a different aesop for each girl's path, as well as a couple over-arching ones for the game as a whole, and while they are varying degrees of {{Anvilicious}}, pretty much all of them needed to be dropped.
2nd Nov '16 5:26:20 AM Trogdor
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* TheOnion:

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26th Oct '16 5:08:21 PM Noah1
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Remember, this is not whether or not you agree with the moral, it's about how a story is improved because the message is so blatant. A genuinely anvilicious aesop is not automatically excused by being an agreeable one. Thus this trope can be seen as an inversion of DontShootTheMessage, where a good message fails to prevent a story from being bad.

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Remember, this is not whether or not you agree with the moral, it's about how a story is improved because the message is so blatant. A genuinely anvilicious aesop Aesop is not automatically excused by being an agreeable one. Thus this trope can be seen as an inversion of DontShootTheMessage, where a good message fails to prevent a story from being bad.



[[IThoughtItMeant Has nothing to do with]] AnvilOnHead. Unless of course you were trying to illustrate that it's wrong to drop anvils on people's heads. Disclaimer: We at TV Tropes do not condone Anvils On Heads.

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[[IThoughtItMeant Has nothing to do with]] AnvilOnHead. Unless of course you were trying to illustrate that it's wrong to drop anvils on people's heads. Disclaimer: We at TV Tropes Wiki/TVTropes do not condone Anvils On Heads.



* Cabaret drops a big anvil near the end about how politics can and will affect you. Also if you just blindly accept what one group does, you may as well be with them.

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* Cabaret {{Cabaret}} drops a big anvil near the end about how politics can and will affect you. Also if you just blindly accept what one group does, you may as well be with them.



* WebComic/CyanideAndHappiness ran [[http://explosm.net/comics/3004/ this strip]] in December of 2012. It's a rather scathing--but ultimately accurate--critique of the current state of some educational programs, particularly the "everyone gets a prize" mentality. It's also noteworthy for distinguishing the care and love of parents from that of society--your family ''does'' consider you special and unique, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world will automatically do the same. It has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but it resonates loud and clear.

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* WebComic/CyanideAndHappiness ran [[http://explosm.net/comics/3004/ this strip]] in December of 2012. It's a rather scathing--but ultimately accurate--critique accurate -- critique of the current state of some educational programs, particularly the "everyone gets a prize" mentality. It's also noteworthy for distinguishing the care and love of parents from that of society--your society -- your family ''does'' consider you special and unique, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world will automatically do the same. It has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but it resonates loud and clear.



*** Even in a monogamous relationship, [[http://jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/2007/08/chapter-19-part-11.html people will want to glance at other attractive people]]--it’s a fact of life that should be tolerated, so long as it doesn’t [[YourCheatingHeart go any further]].

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*** Even in a monogamous relationship, [[http://jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/2007/08/chapter-19-part-11.html people will want to glance at other attractive people]]--it’s people]] -- it’s a fact of life that should be tolerated, so long as it doesn’t [[YourCheatingHeart go any further]].



*** Remain optimistic (and ''alive'') and fight for what you believe in--it’ll be a long, hard struggle, and it will demand [[StarCrossedLovers great]] [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices]], but ultimately you’ll EarnYourHappyEnding.

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*** Remain optimistic (and ''alive'') and fight for what you believe in--it’ll in -- it’ll be a long, hard struggle, and it will demand [[StarCrossedLovers great]] [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices]], but ultimately you’ll EarnYourHappyEnding.
* ''ThePencilsword'' strip [[http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate "On a Plate"]] compares the lives of two kids: Richard and Paula, both born to loving parents who will do anything for them. The difference? Richard's parents are very well off, able to afford the finest healthcare and education, and have several windows of opportunity open, whereas Paula's parents struggle to make ends meet, and can barely juggle affording education with the bare necessities. Eventually, it becomes easy to think people like Richard earned their way to the top all on their own when they're praised for achievements made possible by their affluence, while people like Paula have been made to count themselves lucky for what little opportunities they can get.



** The Moulin Rogue review has "Even if I don't like the film, maybe you do, and neither of us are definitely wrong" as well as "GuiltyPleasures are nothing to be ashamed of."

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** The Moulin Rogue MoulinRogue review has "Even if I don't like the film, maybe you do, and neither of us are definitely wrong" as well as "GuiltyPleasures are nothing to be ashamed of."



** From David Wong:\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_17061_reminder-5-things-you-think-will-make-you-happy-but-wont.html 5 Things You Think Will Make You Happy (But Won't)]]'': The pursuit of things like fame and wealth aren't helpful. Friendship, love, and altruism are where it's at.\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on.html The God Fuse]]'': Just because you're in the right (or you think you're in the right) about something, doesn't mean you need to be a dick about it.\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html What Is The Monkeysphere?]]'' basically sums it up by talking about Osama bin Laden: "Now, the truth is that bin Laden is as deserving of a bullet in the head as the four-color image on some redneck's T-shirt. But what you've got to realize is this: ''we're the caricature on his T-shirt.''"\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/ 6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying]]'' explains why people are so angry at the rich, it's not because the poor are envious, its because the rich are hypocrites and distant from the masses.\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/ 6 Harsh Truths That Will Make You a Better Person]]'' shows that what the world really cares about are ''results''. At the same time, it also tells the reader to stop making excuses for why their life sucks, and [[DareToBeBadass go DO something]].\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18544_how-the-karate-kid-ruined-modern-world.html/ How The Karate Kid Ruined the Modern World]]'': Success doesn't happen at the rate that movies lead people to believe. [[{{Music/DMX}} The game is a lot bigger than you think you know, and if you think you know, then I don't think you know.]]\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school.html/ The 10 Most Important Things They Didn't Teach You in School]]'' drops no less than ''ten'' anvils:

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** From David Wong:\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_17061_reminder-5-things-you-think-will-make-you-happy-but-wont.html 5 Things You Think Will Make You Happy (But Won't)]]'': The pursuit of things like fame and wealth aren't helpful. Friendship, love, and altruism are where it's at.\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on.html The God Fuse]]'': Just because you're in the right (or you think you're in the right) about something, doesn't mean you need to be a dick about it.\\
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it.
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html What Is The Monkeysphere?]]'' basically sums it up by talking about Osama bin Laden: "Now, the truth is that bin Laden is as deserving of a bullet in the head as the four-color image on some redneck's T-shirt. But what you've got to realize is this: ''we're the caricature on his T-shirt.''"\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/ 6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying]]'' explains why people are so angry at the rich, it's not because the poor are envious, its because the rich are hypocrites and distant from the masses.\\
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masses.
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/ 6 Harsh Truths That Will Make You a Better Person]]'' shows that what the world really cares about are ''results''. At the same time, it also tells the reader to stop making excuses for why their life sucks, and [[DareToBeBadass go DO something]].\\
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something]].
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18544_how-the-karate-kid-ruined-modern-world.html/ How The Karate Kid Ruined the Modern World]]'': Success doesn't happen at the rate that movies lead people to believe. [[{{Music/DMX}} The game is a lot bigger than you think you know, and if you think you know, then I don't think you know.]]\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-ruining-world/ 6 Ways to Keep Terrorists From Ruining the World]]'': Written in response to the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France in January 2015, it examines the most typical (and more importantly, harmful) reactions to terrorist attacks.
*** ''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions/ 5 Helpful Answers to Society's Most Uncomfortable Questions]]'': Even though the white men of today are not at fault for [[SinsOfOurFathers the racism and sexism of the past]], all that sexism and racism ''still'' has an effect on all of us today that is far bigger than we think (especially since society had to be forced into accepting women and people of color), and its our responsibility to make things better.
*** ''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ How Half of America Lost its Shit]]'' says that the reason so many are buying into DonaldTrump's hollow promises of "make America great again" is that for most of FlyoverCountry, America ''really isn't great'' for them; small towns can't recover from poverty as easily as cities can, the gap between rural and urban life is far bigger that most people realize, and their legitimate problems and good values are ignored by the liberal media in favor of writing them off as good-for-nothing rednecks. It also points out that Trump and his supporters, despite giving others every reason to brush them off as ignorant and destructive, are NotSoDifferent from the people the other side celebrates elsewhere.
*** ''[[http://www.
cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school.html/ The 10 Most Important Things They Didn't Teach You in School]]'' drops no less than ''ten'' anvils:



--> 3. Learn how to cook - it's important.

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--> 3. Learn how to cook - -- it's important.



--> 1. Life is hard and you will die one day\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-ruining-world/ 6 Ways to Keep Terrorists From Ruining the World]]'': Written in response to the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France in January 2015, it examines the most typical (and more importantly, harmful) reactions to terrorist attacks.\\
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** John Cheese in general writes a lot about being a recovering alcoholic and how much of a struggle it's been. He repeatedly - and to great effect - points out that ''it's not alcohol that makes you an alcoholic, it's that addiction in your brain'', and he also points out that you're never truly "cured" from it. A powerful message. But not the only one from him:\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-life-actually-does-get-better/ 5 Reasons Life Really Does Get Better]]'': The world isn't as bad as you think. When you get older, you actually have the power to do something about it.\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-common-anti-internet-arguments-that-are-statistically-bs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage 5 Common Anti-Internet Arguements that are statistically bullshit]]'': In the face of internet censorship, it's good to remember these points.

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--> 1. Life is hard and you will die one day\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-ruining-world/ 6 Ways to Keep Terrorists From Ruining the World]]'': Written in response to the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France in January 2015, it examines the most typical (and more importantly, harmful) reactions to terrorist attacks.\\
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** John Cheese in general writes a lot about being a recovering alcoholic and how much of a struggle it's been. He repeatedly - -- and to great effect - -- points out that ''it's not alcohol that makes you an alcoholic, it's that addiction in your brain'', and he also points out that you're never truly "cured" from it. A powerful message. But not the only one from him:\\
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-life-actually-does-get-better/ 5 Reasons Life Really Does Get Better]]'': The world isn't as bad as you think. When you get older, you actually have the power to do something about it.\\
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it.
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''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-common-anti-internet-arguments-that-are-statistically-bs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage 5 Common Anti-Internet Arguements that are statistically bullshit]]'': In the face of internet censorship, it's good to remember these points.



** Gladstone's article, [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/ndaa-biggest-election-issue-no-ones-talking-about/ NDAA: The Biggest Election Issue No One's Talking About]], explains one of the most important but least discussed issues: the President having the ability to indefinitely detain Americans without a trial.\\
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Another one of Gladstone's articles, ''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-both-atheists-believers-need-to-stop-saying/ 4 Things Both Atheists and Believers Need to Stop Saying]]'', points out several arguments that only make religious people and atheists seem bad. It also manages to do so without offending either the religious or the atheistic.
* WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd goes to show that, [[NostalgiaGoggles despite our nostalgic memories]] of the old 8-bit era, ''most'' games were nothing like Mario, Zelda, Mega Man, or Contra. A lot of them flat-out sucked, even for their time.

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** Gladstone's article, [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/ndaa-biggest-election-issue-no-ones-talking-about/ NDAA: The Biggest Election Issue No One's Talking About]], explains one of the most important but least discussed issues: the President having the ability to indefinitely detain Americans without a trial.\\
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Another one of Gladstone's articles, ''[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-both-atheists-believers-need-to-stop-saying/ 4 Things Both Atheists and Believers Need to Stop Saying]]'', points out several arguments that only make religious people and atheists seem bad. It also manages to do so without offending either the religious or the atheistic.
* WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd goes to show that, [[NostalgiaGoggles despite our nostalgic memories]] of the old 8-bit era, ''most'' games were nothing like Mario, Zelda, Mega Man, {{Mario}}, {{Zelda}}, MegaMan, or Contra.{{Contra}}. A lot of them flat-out sucked, even for their time.
25th Oct '16 8:12:14 PM jdj42
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
25th Oct '16 9:26:22 AM humrh360
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
19th Oct '16 7:53:09 PM jdj42
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* "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo Put Em Down]]", an episode of the WebAnimation/CyanideAndHappiness web animation, is a big fat TakeThat at UsefulNotes/{{Otherkin}} (with a healthy dose of BlackComedy), but also doesn't hold back at faulting both the mother and the son: the son for being a ManChild insisting that he's a [[MrImagination tri-gender pyro-fox named Fire Dash]] and doing nothing for the sake of his own agency when her mother tries to get him euthanized; and the mother for letting her ParentalNeglect foster her son's delusions until it's too late to simply pull him out, yet not wanting to go through the trouble of getting real help for him. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then she puts him in trash bag and tosses him into a river.]]

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* "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo Put Em Down]]", an episode of the WebAnimation/CyanideAndHappiness web animation, is a big fat TakeThat at UsefulNotes/{{Otherkin}} (with a healthy dose of BlackComedy), but also doesn't hold back at faulting both the mother and the son: the son for being a ManChild insisting that he's a [[MrImagination tri-gender pyro-fox named Fire Dash]] and doing nothing for the sake of his own agency when her mother tries to get him euthanized; and the mother for letting her ParentalNeglect foster her son's delusions until it's too late to simply pull him out, yet not wanting to go through the trouble of getting real help for him. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then she puts him in trash bag and tosses him into a river.]]
16th Oct '16 4:01:35 PM ShinyCottonCandy
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* ''Truth: Red, White & Black'' is very heavy-handed with its depiction of racism in the 1940's, but of course, the racism in that era was quite ferocious and appalling by today's standards. The actual plot, wherein we learn that the US government tested ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's [[SuperSerum Super Soldier Serum]] on a group of black soldiers, was directly inspired by the horrific [[http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/ Tuskegee syphilis experiment]].

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* ''Truth: Red, White & Black'' is very heavy-handed with its depiction of racism in the 1940's, but of course, the racism in that era was quite ferocious and appalling by today's standards. The actual plot, wherein we learn that the US government tested ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's [[SuperSerum Super Soldier Serum]] on a group of black soldiers, was directly inspired by the horrific [[http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/ [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment Tuskegee syphilis experiment]].
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