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9th Aug '17 8:00:17 PM Uyyy
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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops, as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis Joe Louis]] did when he joined the Army (he was not drafted) in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops, as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis Joe Louis]] did when he joined the Army (he during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII (though Louis was not drafted) in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
drafted).
4th Aug '17 6:46:48 AM Uyyy
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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops, as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis Joe Louis]] did when he joined the Army (he was not drafted) in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII

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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops, as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis Joe Louis]] did when he joined the Army (he was not drafted) in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII
UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
4th Aug '17 6:45:37 AM Uyyy
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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops.

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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops.
troops, as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis Joe Louis]] did when he joined the Army (he was not drafted) in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII
4th Aug '17 6:42:35 AM Uyyy
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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli had accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops.

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Often, and perhaps against the stereotype, the children of important and/or wealthy people do join the military because they want to serve. Fortunately or unfortunately, the military brass aren't morons and know that if the child of a VIP dies on their watch, they're in for a world of trouble. Thus, through no fault of his or her own, the kid with the silver spoon might spend the war behind a desk somewhere typing up reports. The same thing can apply to celebrities: had Creator/MuhammadAli had accepted his conscription during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, he most likely would have been this giving exhibition matches to entertain troops.
15th Jul '17 10:39:25 AM nombretomado
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* Victor Henry goes through most of WorldWarII like this in Hermann Wouk's ''WindsOfWar'' / ''War and Remembrance'' duology. He does get a fighting command in the Solomons and at Leyte though. He also takes opportunities to go on observation missions up forward.

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* Victor Henry goes through most of WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII like this in Hermann Wouk's ''WindsOfWar'' / ''War and Remembrance'' duology. He does get a fighting command in the Solomons and at Leyte though. He also takes opportunities to go on observation missions up forward.
18th Jun '17 9:58:31 PM sgamer82
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* In ''Anime/IrresponsibleCaptainTylor'', the title character joined the military to get a cushy day job in the Pension Office. However, he becomes involved in a hostage crisis and is promoted to command rank and [[ReassignedToAntarctica assigned to the destroyer Soyokaze.]]
** And this becomes ReassignmentBackfire when it turns out he's surprisingly good at being a starship captain, despite his own wishes.

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* In ''Anime/IrresponsibleCaptainTylor'', the ''Anime/IrresponsibleCaptainTylor:'' The title character joined the military to get a cushy day job and, to his delight, wound up in the Pension Office. However, he becomes involved in a hostage crisis and is promoted to command rank and [[ReassignedToAntarctica assigned to the destroyer Soyokaze.]]
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]] This becomes ReassignmentBackfire when it turns out he's surprisingly good at being a starship captain, despite his own wishes.



* In ''LightNovel/HeavyObject'' a majority of the military on all sides fits this trope as Objects dominate the battlefield. It's not uncommon for even units assigned to supporting an Object on a battlefield to see no combat personally. It's considered so safe that civilian students can accompany them.
** Milinda originally looked down upon this type of soldiers. While she, a fourteen year old girl, was risking her life on the battlefield there were grown men and women on the rear line watching in boredom. Quenser and Heivia risking their lives to save her shook up this viewpoint.

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* In ''LightNovel/HeavyObject'' a ''LightNovel/HeavyObject:''
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majority of the military on all sides fits this trope as Objects dominate the battlefield. It's not uncommon for even units assigned to supporting an Object on a battlefield to see no combat personally. It's considered so safe that civilian students can accompany them.
** Milinda originally looked down upon this type of soldiers.soldier. While she, a fourteen year old girl, was risking her life on the battlefield there were grown men and women on the rear line watching in boredom. Quenser and Heivia risking their lives to save her shook up this viewpoint.






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* Literature/CiaphasCain aspires to be this; early in his career he managed to pull some strings (although by doing well at poker, since he's ConvenientlyAnOrphan like all other Commissars) and get himself transferred to a nice, safe artillery unit. Unfortunately, it turned out less safe than expected and gave him a reputation for mighty heroism. Later his reputation makes this much harder, so he has to find somewhere safe to be when the fighting breaks out. It always leads to a sort of self-targeting ReassignmentBackfire when he inevitably gets in danger anyway (and thus even more of a reputation when he survives).
** At one point, he does manage to become a true Soldier at the Rear, and it makes his life measurably worse. Instead of being in a unit that spends great portions of its time securing and guarding planets after combat, his garrison status lets his superior officer assign him to increasingly dangerous special assignments, including a liaison position with SpaceMarines. And because he never has to stay for clean up (Unless he can somehow justify it), he gets forced into participating into more numerous combat situations then normal. By his own reckoning, Cain thinks he spent more time in gut clenching terror during his garrison time then a front line assignment.
** His response to this? Play up the idea that he's not cut out for a 'tame' desk job and get sent back to a frontline combat unit, getting him sent to the Valhallan 597th. Double Subversion?
** Some of the books touch on the 597's Third Company, which (while trained for infantry fighting) are mostly specialists, such as medical staff, quartermasters, and the regimental colors band. They do see action from time to time, such as during ''The Traitor's Hand'' when a Chaos dropship lands in headquarters, and acquit themselves well, all things considered (Jenit Sulla, a quartermaster, ended up becoming the first Lady General, the highest military rank in the Guard).

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* Literature/CiaphasCain ''Literature/CiaphasCain:''
** Cain
aspires to be this; early in his career he managed to pull some strings (although by doing well at poker, since he's ConvenientlyAnOrphan like all other Commissars) and get himself transferred to a nice, safe artillery unit. Unfortunately, it turned out less safe than expected and gave him a reputation for mighty heroism. Later his reputation makes this much harder, so he has to find somewhere safe to be when the fighting breaks out. It always leads to a sort of self-targeting ReassignmentBackfire when he inevitably gets in danger anyway (and and thus even more of a reputation when he survives).
survives.
** At one point, he does manage to become a true Soldier at the Rear, and it makes his life measurably worse. Instead of being in a unit that spends great portions of its time securing and guarding planets after combat, his garrison status lets his superior officer assign him to increasingly dangerous special assignments, including a liaison position with SpaceMarines. And because he never has to stay for clean up (Unless unless he can somehow justify it), it, he gets forced into participating into more numerous combat situations then normal. By his own reckoning, Cain thinks he spent more time in gut clenching terror during his garrison time then a front line assignment.
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assignment. His response to this? Play up the idea that he's not cut out for a 'tame' desk job and get sent back to a frontline combat unit, getting him sent to the Valhallan 597th. Double Subversion?
597th.
** Some of the books touch on the 597's Third Company, which (while which, while trained for infantry fighting) fighting, are mostly specialists, specialists such as medical staff, quartermasters, and the regimental colors band. They do see action from time to time, such as during ''The Traitor's Hand'' when a Chaos dropship lands in headquarters, and acquit themselves well, all things considered (Jenit considered. Jenit Sulla, a quartermaster, ended up becoming the first Lady General, the highest military rank in the Guard).Guard.



* The Literature/HonorHarrington series explores various implications with the Solarian League Navy. The League Navy is divided into two internal organizations: Battle Fleet and Frontier Fleet. Battle Fleet is theoretically the primary combat component of the League, receiving the overwhelming majority of the funding and equipment of the League Navy, but since the Solarian League is ''so much bigger'' than every other nation in the universe they have not had an actual war in several centuries. Frontier Fleet, which is dedicated towards policing, disaster relief, exploration and other peace-keeping roles, is the component which has actual service experience. As such, Battle Fleet is generally slovenly and lax even in routine procedures since they have no combat history, much to the disgust of Frontier Fleet and the other space navies that are encountered throughout the series. As members of the Royal Manticoran Navy point out, accidents can happen even in peace-time, so there is no excuse for being so inattentive to proper procedures and protocol.

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* The Literature/HonorHarrington ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series explores various implications with the Solarian League Navy. The League Navy is divided into two internal organizations: Battle Fleet and Frontier Fleet. Battle Fleet is theoretically the primary combat component of the League, receiving the overwhelming majority of the funding and equipment of the League Navy, but since the Solarian League is ''so much bigger'' than every other nation in the universe they have not had an actual war in several centuries. Frontier Fleet, which is dedicated towards policing, disaster relief, exploration and other peace-keeping roles, is the component which has actual service experience. As such, Battle Fleet is generally slovenly and lax even in routine procedures since they have no combat history, much to the disgust of Frontier Fleet and the other space navies that are encountered throughout the series. As members of the Royal Manticoran Navy point out, accidents can happen even in peace-time, so there is no excuse for being so inattentive to proper procedures and protocol.
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* Possible inversion or subversion with Major Charles Winchester from ''Series/{{MASH}}''. He was using family connections to keep his cushy Tokyo posting until he ticked off the wrong person at the wrong time and got [[ReassignedToAntarctica sent to the 4077th]], and spent most of the rest of the show trying to pull strings and get back to a nice safe clean Tokyo hospital.

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* Possible inversion or subversion with ''Series/{{MASH}}'':
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Major Charles Winchester from ''Series/{{MASH}}''. He was using family connections to keep his cushy Tokyo posting until he ticked off the wrong person at the wrong time and got [[ReassignedToAntarctica sent to the 4077th]], and spent most of the rest of the show trying to pull strings and get back to a nice safe clean Tokyo hospital.



* An inversion: one episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' dealt with Riker being [[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E14TheIcarusFactor}} offered his own command]]. He turned it down because the ships offered were in areas of space that were less likely to see action. He also noted that being the executive officer on the flagship ''Enterprise'' was superior in terms of prestige to being captain of ''any'' other ship.

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
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An inversion: one episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' dealt with Riker being [[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E14TheIcarusFactor}} [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E14TheIcarusFactor offered his own command]]. He turned it down because the ships offered were in areas of space that were less likely to see action. He also noted that being the executive officer on the flagship ''Enterprise'' was superior in terms of prestige to being captain of ''any'' other ship.



* In ''Series/{{Blackadder}} Goes Forth'', Captain Darling is happy to be General Melchett's aide-de-camp because that way he doesn't have to be in the trenches. In the last episode he gets sent there anyway.

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* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'':
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In ''Series/{{Blackadder}} ''Blackadder Goes Forth'', Captain Darling is happy to be General Melchett's aide-de-camp because that way he doesn't have to be in the trenches. In the last episode he gets sent there anyway.



* The entire point of Sergeant Bilko's career in ''Series/ThePhilSilversShow''.

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* %% The entire point of Sergeant Bilko's career in ''Series/ThePhilSilversShow''.






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* Many of Bill Mauldin's cartoons are about soldiers who aren't allowed in the rear because they don't look soldierly enough.
** "It's either enemy or off-limits."

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* Many of Bill Mauldin's cartoons are about soldiers who aren't allowed in the rear because they don't look soldierly enough.
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enough. "It's either enemy or off-limits."






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* [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas NCR Soldiers]] garrisoned at the Mojave Outpost don't see any real fighting, and won't unless [[TheHorde Caesar's Legion]] decide to push west. Pointdexter of The Misfits specifically joined the military with the goal of obtaining with a cushy desk job while performing as little as possible.

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* [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas NCR Soldiers]] Soldiers garrisoned at the Mojave Outpost in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' don't see any real fighting, and won't unless [[TheHorde Caesar's Legion]] decide to push west. Pointdexter of The the Misfits specifically joined the military with the goal of obtaining with a cushy desk job while performing as little as possible.
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27th May '17 1:59:57 PM nombretomado
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* Despite becoming later becoming a badass mercenary, Jon Sable of ''ComicBook/JonSableFreelance'' spent his tour of duty during the VietnamWar as a clerk/typist in an intelligence unit.

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* Despite becoming later becoming a badass mercenary, Jon Sable of ''ComicBook/JonSableFreelance'' spent his tour of duty during the VietnamWar UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar as a clerk/typist in an intelligence unit.



* In ''If I Die in a Combat Zone (Box Me Up and Ship Me Home)'' Tim O'Brien summarises the feelings and attitude of the VietnamWar era [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]] thus:

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* In ''If I Die in a Combat Zone (Box Me Up and Ship Me Home)'' Tim O'Brien summarises the feelings and attitude of the VietnamWar UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar era [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]] thus:
20th Mar '17 6:27:11 PM MitchellProductions
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It's worth noting that being a REMF in an unconventional conflict might be almost impossible, since by definition there isn't a rear-echelon once you're in the theatre, and someone whose job normally isn't anywhere near combat might find themselves under fire or IED attack at any time, such as in places like Afghanistan. For soldiers deployed to Iraq, "REMF" generally got reserved for the personnel stationed in Kuwait and Qatar.

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It's worth noting that being Being a REMF in an unconventional conflict might be almost impossible, since by definition there isn't a rear-echelon once you're in the theatre, and someone whose job normally isn't anywhere near combat might find themselves under fire or IED attack at any time, such as in places like Afghanistan. For soldiers deployed to Iraq, "REMF" generally got reserved for the personnel stationed in Kuwait and Qatar.
13th Mar '17 4:36:50 PM Divra
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* In Swedish, the common term is ''kasernjägare''. ''Jägare'' literally means "hunter", but is used to denote units with special forces training (it is usually translated to "ranger"). In the Swedish armed forces, "jägare" are defined by their primary area of operations and/or their preferred way of fighting, for example "fjälljägare" (mountains) or "fallskärmsjägare" (parachute trained). ''Kasern'' means "barracks". Compare the English term "Chairborne Ranger".

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* In Swedish, the common term is ''kasernjägare''. ''Jägare'' literally means "hunter", but is used ''kasernjägare'', which roughly translates to denote units with special forces training (it is usually translated to "ranger"). In the Swedish armed forces, "jägare" are defined by their primary area of operations and/or their preferred way of fighting, for example "fjälljägare" (mountains) or "fallskärmsjägare" (parachute trained). ''Kasern'' means "barracks"."barracks-ranger". Compare the English term "Chairborne Ranger".
13th Feb '17 8:04:42 AM Hanz
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* [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas NCR Soldiers]] garrisoned at the Mojave Outpost don't see any real fighting, and won't unless [[TheHorde Caesar's Legion]] decide to push west.

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* [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas NCR Soldiers]] garrisoned at the Mojave Outpost don't see any real fighting, and won't unless [[TheHorde Caesar's Legion]] decide to push west.
west. Pointdexter of The Misfits specifically joined the military with the goal of obtaining with a cushy desk job while performing as little as possible.
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