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26th Apr '17 2:34:15 AM Fireblood
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'': The series appears to have done away with the blatant white supremacy in Gilead as described in the novel. Not only did they want babies, the goal was white babies, with blacks being "removed to North Dakota" (quite possibly being killed there). In the novel, Moira was white, while African-American actress Samira Wiley plays her in the series. This is probably a reflection of the changing face (quite literally) of religion in America. Today, many largely white churches, and the classic American WASP "Moral Majority" as a whole, have a population growth rate which lies well below replacement levels, even with a culture that "incentivises" breeding in ways that often aren't too far removed from Gilead's. Blacks (and many other dark-skinned peoples), by contrast, have been largely exempt from this phenomenon due to a combination of higher fertility rates and the centrality of religion (and more importantly the church community) to their cultural heritage. American racism as a whole, meanwhile, has grown steadily more secular (at least outwardly) in the decades since the book was published, while far less acceptable to publicly display. Thus it's not surprising to see black people in Gilead, especially Handmaids-they need every fertile woman who exists, period.
17th Apr '17 6:41:58 AM chopshop
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* Parodied and subverted in ''Series/GarthMarenghisDarkplace''. The writing in the SoBadItsGood ShowWithinAShow is ''astoundingly'' chauvinistic and racist, making it seem like a prime case of ValuesDissonance from the 60's or so. Except the show was made in ''the late 80's'' long after such attitudes had been discredited; [[SmallNameBigEgo Garth Marenghi]] is just that much of a bigot. It's implied that this contributed heavily to ''Darkplace'' getting cancelled.
-->'''Garth''': I portended that by the year 2040, the world would see its first female mechanic. And who knows, she might even do a decent job.
8th Apr '17 9:45:44 AM DeisTheAlcano
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** The "ape descended life forms" line has not yet been updated to reflect newer understanding of evolution which shows that humans did not evolve from apes but in parallel to apes from a common ancestor.
2nd Apr '17 5:48:11 AM DesertDragon
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* The creators of ''Series/{{Daredevil}}'' ran into quite a snag when adapting the [[ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} character from the comics]]: Hell's Kitchen is simply not the WretchedHive it once was. At the time he was originally created, much of UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity was [[BigRottenApple run down and crime-ridden]], with Hell's Kitchen being particularly bad. However, the city has considerably gentrified since then. Not only is the modern-day Hell's Kitchen a safe neighborhood, it's become high-class and something of a {{Gayborhood}}. But since the neighborhood is so ingrained in the Daredevil mythos, moving him to, say, Newark was out of the question. It took the alien invasion from ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' to justify turning it back into a gangland; the neighborhood was said to sustain heavy damage during the attack, causing property owners to abandon the area, and the criminals moved right back in.
27th Feb '17 1:59:15 PM Xtifr
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* ''Literature/TheDemolishedMan'': Despite the characters stated disconnect from the 20th century, the book is pretty emblematic of the time it was written in respect to gender roles, although Ms. Wyg clearly has an active sex life which is only complained about when she distracts undercover cops. On the other hand, there is a scene where a black applicant is accepted into the Esper's Guild on account of his latent talent, which suggests that at least their group is meritocratic. Also, the president of the Guild is Asian.

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* ''Literature/TheDemolishedMan'': Despite the characters stated disconnect from the 20th century, the book is pretty emblematic of the time it was written in respect to gender roles, although Ms. Wyg Wyg&[[note]]Yes, her name has an ampersand in it.[[/note]] clearly has an active sex life which is only complained about when she distracts undercover cops. On the other hand, there is a scene where a black applicant is accepted into the Esper's Guild on account of his latent talent, which suggests that at least their group is meritocratic. Also, the president of the Guild is Asian.
26th Feb '17 8:07:34 PM Fireblood
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* In ''Series/BuckRogersInThe25thCentury'', someone tests to see if Buck is who he says he is by making a pop culture reference to the 20th Century. Today, O.J's image as "The Juice" have fallen out of public consciousness. And when one thinks of O.J, it's about something completely different. In Buck's defense, he was frozen in 1987, years before O.J's FallFromGrace.

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* In ''Series/BuckRogersInThe25thCentury'', someone tests to see if Buck is who he says he is by making a pop culture reference to the 20th Century. Today, O.J's image as "The Juice" have has fallen out of public consciousness. And when one thinks of O.J, it's about something completely different. In Buck's defense, he was frozen in 1987, years before O.J's FallFromGrace.



** Similarly, in one ''{{Series/Seinfeld}} episode (also in the '90s, George and Jerry chastise Elaine for dumping her boyfriend via a phone message.



* Of course, ''WesternAnimation/TheJetsons'', where Jane was a typical 1950s housewife who didn't even know how to drive [[note]] when of course women ''could'' drive, and had always been able to, but this was reflective of attitudes rather than reality [[/note]].. but they had flying cars! When she gets driving lessons, her instructor panics at the idea of a female student, then changes his "Student Driver" sign to read "Woman Student Driver: BEWARE".

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* Of course, ''WesternAnimation/TheJetsons'', where Jane was a typical 1950s housewife who didn't even know how to drive [[note]] when drive[[note]]When of course women ''could'' drive, and had always been able to, but this was reflective of attitudes rather than reality [[/note]]..reality.[[/note]]... but they had flying cars! When she gets driving lessons, her instructor panics at the idea of a female student, then changes his "Student Driver" sign to read "Woman Student Driver: BEWARE".



** Not to mention several jokes about the standard work week being ''9 hours'', based on the popular conception of the time that technology would allow people to work far less. Not only has the exact opposite happened for many people but cell phones and email has allowed bosses to contact employees 24/7 meaning that the separation between work and leisure has become blurred.

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** Not to mention several jokes about the standard work week being ''9 hours'', based on the popular conception of the time that technology would allow people to work far less. Not only has the exact opposite happened for many people but cell phones and email has allowed bosses to contact employees 24/7 24/7, meaning that the separation between work and leisure has become blurred.



** In the Season 4 (1993) "Mediocre Presidents" song it is remarked that they "won't find their pictures on dollars or on cents" with the supposition being that only above average Presidents would ever be given such an honor. Fast forward 20 years the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidental_dollar Presidential Dollar Coin]] series put '''every''' US President on a dollar coin. [[note]]Even UsefulNotes/WilliamHenryHarrison, who died in 30 days![[/note]]

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** In the Season 4 (1993) "Mediocre Presidents" song it is remarked that they "won't find their pictures on dollars or on cents" cents", with the supposition being that only above average Presidents would ever be given such an honor. Fast forward 20 years the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidental_dollar Presidential Dollar Coin]] series put '''every''' US President on a dollar coin. [[note]]Even UsefulNotes/WilliamHenryHarrison, who died in 30 days![[/note]]



** Second, since his trophy was grounds for "probable cause", [[note]] Reasonable grounds for belief that an accused person may be subject to arrest or the issuance of a warrant [[/note]], Bone could've just searched through lockers, either everyone's or just the "suspects".
** Third, both Doug and Roger would've faced the probable expulsion for what happened, even if Principal Buttsavitch overturned the decision on the former.

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** Second, since his trophy was grounds for "probable cause", [[note]] Reasonable cause",[[note]]Reasonable grounds for belief that an accused person may be subject to arrest or the issuance of a warrant [[/note]], warrant[.[/note]] Bone could've just searched through lockers, either everyone's or just the "suspects".
** Third, both Doug and Roger would've faced the probable expulsion for what happened, even if Principal Buttsavitch overturned the decision on the former.
26th Feb '17 8:07:34 PM Fireblood
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26th Feb '17 7:58:05 PM Fireblood
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop aside, ''Literature/TheBerenstainBears'' story about Sister being bullied, fighting back, and merely getting what amounted to a slap on the wrist looks hilariously outdated in part because Tuffy ''and'' Sister got off ''lightly''. Many schools have adopted zero tolerance policy which states that Sister would have been in just as much trouble as Tuffy for fighting back.
** Additionally, Tuffy is depicted as ''throwing rocks at a baby bird''. This would today easily get Tuffy a one-way trip to the child psychologist, rather than just a probation.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop aside, ''Literature/TheBerenstainBears'' story about Sister being bullied, fighting back, and merely getting what amounted to a slap on the wrist looks hilariously outdated in part because Tuffy ''and'' Sister got off ''lightly''. Many schools have adopted zero tolerance policy which states that Sister would have been in just as much trouble as Tuffy for fighting back.
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back. Additionally, Tuffy is depicted as ''throwing rocks at a baby bird''. This would today easily get Tuffy a one-way trip to the child psychologist, rather than just a probation.



* ''Literature/TheDemolishedMan'': Despite the characters stated disconnect from the 20th century, the book is pretty emblematic of the time it was written in respect to gender roles, although Ms. Wyg clearly has an active sex life which is only complained about when she distracts undercover cops. On the other hand, there is a scene where a black applicant is accepted into the Esper's Guild on account of his latent talent, which suggests that at least their group is meritocratic. Also, the president of the Guild is Asian.



** Probably the worst example was in "[[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder Turnabout Intruder]]", the last episode of the original series. Written by Gene Roddenberry Himself, it reveals that ''women aren't allowed to be captains in Starfleet,'' in the 23rd century. A female character who tries to get around this rule by using alien technology to switch bodies with Kirk is portrayed as being a horribly misguided fanatic.

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** Probably the worst example was in "[[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder Turnabout Intruder]]", the last episode of the original series. Written by Gene Roddenberry Himself, himself, it reveals that ''women aren't allowed to be captains in Starfleet,'' in the 23rd century. A female character who tries to get around this rule by using alien technology to switch bodies with Kirk is portrayed as being a horribly misguided fanatic.
26th Feb '17 7:42:39 PM Fireblood
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* In the Creator/IsaacAsimov short story "The Ugly Little Boy," they have a time machine that works to Neanderthal times, collecting a small child and doing lots of experiments on him. The nurse/mother figure gets quite upset. The lack of any ethics, or any requirement for ethical approval is shocking--especially given that ethical treatment of research subjects was a very hot topic (due to the disclosures of Nazi experimentation on concentration camp victims) just 13 years before the story was written.

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* In the Creator/IsaacAsimov short story "The Ugly Little Boy," they have a time machine that works to Neanderthal times, collecting a small child and doing lots of experiments on him. The nurse/mother figure gets quite upset. The lack of any ethics, or any requirement for ethical approval is shocking--especially given that ethical treatment of research subjects was a very hot topic (due to the disclosures of Nazi experimentation on concentration camp victims) victims just 13 years before the story was written.written).



** It's not likely that a Neanderthal would be considered any more of a person than a chimpanzee is, which was probably Asimov's point.

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** It's not likely certain that a Neanderthal would be considered any more of a person than a chimpanzee is, which was probably Asimov's point.



** In his collection of short stories ''Literature/IRobot'', in the story "Little Lost Robot," published in 1947 and set in 2029, a scientist at US Robots, Dr. Bogert, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything calls robots repeatedly "Boy"]]. And the story "Runaround," written at 1942, and set at 2015, we see that the robots stationed at Mercury must call all humans ''"Master"'':

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** In the story "Little Lost Robot" (in his collection of short stories ''Literature/IRobot'', in the story "Little Lost Robot," ''Literature/IRobot'') published in 1947 and set in 2029, a scientist at US Robots, Dr. Bogert, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything calls robots repeatedly "Boy"]]. And in the story "Runaround," written at 1942, in 1942 and set at in 2015, we see that the robots stationed at Mercury must call all humans ''"Master"'':



** The "ape descended life forms" line has not yet been updated to reflect newer understanding of evolution which insists that humans did not evolve from apes but in parallel to apes from a common ancestor.

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** The "ape descended life forms" line has not yet been updated to reflect newer understanding of evolution which insists shows that humans did not evolve from apes but in parallel to apes from a common ancestor.
26th Feb '17 7:31:30 PM Fireblood
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* George Pal's 1955 film ''Conquest of Space'' made some interesting technological predictions, including a concept for a spaceship with principles vaguely reminiscent of the space shuttle. There is even a bit of FairForItsDay in that there is ''some'' racial equality so far as the one Japanese crew member being treated with respect by the otherwise entirely white cast. What the film got wrong was assuming the U.S. space program would still be run by the military [[note]]Initially experiments in rocketry were conducted by both the army and the navy. The problem (which the filmmakers were probably not aware of in 1955) was that both were wasting money and resources competing against each other and refusing to share. The government eventually got fed up with it and instead put together the civilian organization of NASA[[/note]]. Also women StayInTheKitchen back on Earth while the men are the ones who get to go into space. In other words, according to this film, female astronauts don't exist, which may be especially jarring to a modern viewer in light of [[Film/{{Gravity}} a certain more recent critically acclaimed film centered entirely around a female astronaut]].
** In addition, the Captain of the ship comes to think of the mission as sacrilegious, with Mankind's presence in God's perfect heavens being an insult to the almighty. This was actually a real movement that flourished very briefly when the idea of space travel was first mooted as a serious possibility. By the time the movie came out the philosophy was rapidly dying out, and the launch of Sputnik a couple of years laters washed the remnants away completely. To modern audiences it just looks like a delusional symptom of the man going insane.
* The infamous b-movie ''Doomsday Machine'', where the female crew members are only added in as a last resort once it becomes clear the Earth is doomed and the remaining male crew members are absolutely ''baffled'' by the idea of women being capable astronauts. Though the bemused misogyny doesn't kick in until later: The initial shock was over half their team getting removed at the last moment and the mission suddenly becoming co-ed.

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* George Pal's 1955 film ''Conquest of Space'' made some interesting technological predictions, including a concept for a spaceship with principles vaguely reminiscent of the space shuttle. There is even a bit of FairForItsDay in that there is ''some'' racial equality so far as the one Japanese crew member being treated with respect by the otherwise entirely white cast. What the film got wrong was assuming the U.S. space program would still be run by the military military.[[note]]Initially experiments in rocketry were conducted by both the army and the navy. The problem (which the filmmakers were probably not aware of in 1955) was that both were wasting money and resources competing against each other and refusing to share. The government eventually got fed up with it and instead put together the civilian organization of NASA[[/note]]. NASA.[[/note]] Also women StayInTheKitchen back on Earth while the men are the ones who get to go into space. In other words, according to this film, female astronauts don't exist, which may be especially jarring to a modern viewer in light of [[Film/{{Gravity}} a certain more recent critically acclaimed film centered entirely around a female astronaut]].
** In addition, the Captain of the ship comes to think of the mission as sacrilegious, with Mankind's presence in God's perfect heavens being an insult to the almighty. This was actually a real movement that flourished very briefly when the idea of space travel was first mooted as a serious possibility. By the time the movie came out the philosophy was rapidly dying out, and the launch of Sputnik a couple of years laters later washed the remnants away completely. To modern audiences it just looks like a delusional symptom of the man going insane.
* The infamous b-movie ''Doomsday Machine'', where the female crew members are only added in as a last resort once it becomes clear the Earth is doomed doomed, and the remaining male crew members are absolutely ''baffled'' by the idea of women being capable astronauts. Though the bemused misogyny doesn't kick in until later: The the initial shock was over half their team getting removed at the last moment and the mission suddenly becoming co-ed.



** Apartheid-related predictions were often a bit off in this way, due mostly to outsiders imagining some sort of centuries-long, deep-seated race war. Whereas it was a recent and quickly dated policy which was mostly prolonged because it somehow wound up as part of Cold War politics. As soon as the policy was put up to a vote, it was rejected by overwhelming numbers.

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** Apartheid-related predictions were often a bit off in this way, due mostly to outsiders imagining some sort of centuries-long, deep-seated race war. Whereas war, whereas it was a recent and quickly dated policy which was mostly prolonged because it somehow wound up as part of Cold War politics. As soon as the policy was put up to a vote, it was rejected by overwhelming numbers.



*** It features a sex-segregated future in which astronauts and space pilots are always male, and the spaceship stewardess/prostitutes in skimpy outfits are all female.
*** Written not long after WWII, the story fails to anticipate that the horrifying events of that war would lead to very strict legislation about medical procedures and informed consent. His central character is placed under general anesthesia -- and wakes to be informed, ''after the fact'', that s/he has been subjected without consent to sex reassignment surgery. In our world such a character would not be relegated to a hand-to-mouth living writing confession stories, because he would sue the hospital and doctor into bankruptcy.
** Heinlein often averted this trope as well. He frequently cast non-whites and people of mixed-race as protagonists in his works despite writing before the American Civil Rights era. Races were equal in his world, while the sexes tended to be different but enjoyed de facto legal equality. Readers of his era were not used to seeing a mixed-race or non-white protagonist. In his most famous work, ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'', we also find a sympathetic portrayal of a minor Japanese character called Shujumi, who is praised for his mastery of Judo. World War II had ended only fourteen years prior, and Americans were hardly Japanophiles at the time. In addition, in the same book the protagonist was Filipino and spoke Tagalog at home.

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*** It features a sex-segregated future in which astronauts and space pilots are always male, and the spaceship stewardess/prostitutes in skimpy outfits are all female.
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female. Written not long after WWII, the story fails to anticipate that the horrifying events of that war would lead to very strict legislation about medical procedures and informed consent. His central character is placed under general anesthesia -- and wakes to be informed, ''after the fact'', that s/he has been subjected without consent to sex reassignment surgery. In our world such a character would not be relegated to a hand-to-mouth living writing confession stories, because he would sue the hospital and doctor into bankruptcy.
** Heinlein often averted this trope as well. He frequently cast non-whites and people of mixed-race as protagonists in his works despite writing before the American Civil Rights era. Races were equal in his world, while the sexes tended to be different but enjoyed de facto ''de facto'' legal equality. Readers of his era were not used to seeing a mixed-race or non-white protagonist. In his most famous work, ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'', we also find a sympathetic portrayal of a minor Japanese character called Shujumi, who is praised for his mastery of Judo. World War II had ended only fourteen years prior, and Americans were hardly Japanophiles at the time. In addition, in the same book the protagonist was Filipino and spoke Tagalog at home.
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