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26th Mar '18 9:28:10 PM nombretomado
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* This seems to be the play's message regarding Jean Valjean and many other people in ''Theater/LesMiserables''. Valjean only stole to feed his sister's family, and got five years in prison. The conditions were so brutal he tried to escape multiple times, with each extending his sentence. When he's paroled at last after ''nineteen'' years, he finds it impossible to find work as a felon. He is so suspicious and hardened that even when someone ''does'' try to assist him (a [[GoodShepherd kindly priest]]) Valjean instead steals his silver. The priest, instead of sending him back to prison when he's caught, instead covers for him, giving Valjean a second chance. Once removed from this state, he becomes a successful businessman and town mayor, but only by breaking parole. Thus he's pursued by {{Inspector Javert}}, who only cares that he broke the law, which leads Valjean into further crime to escape. It's also echoed by Fantine, who's dismissed from her job when it's found out she's an unwed mother, and forced into prostitution to survive. She's arrested for striking a man harassing her, catches a fever and dies. Javert on the other hand firmly believes this is wrong, but rather crime isn't the result of environment ''or'' heredity (especially the latter he's keen to disprove, as both his parents were criminals). When it's finally proven to him that Valjean is a good man, he can't stand the revelation, [[DrivenToSuicide killing himself]].

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* This seems to be the play's message regarding Jean Valjean and many other people in ''Theater/LesMiserables''.''Theatre/LesMiserables''. Valjean only stole to feed his sister's family, and got five years in prison. The conditions were so brutal he tried to escape multiple times, with each extending his sentence. When he's paroled at last after ''nineteen'' years, he finds it impossible to find work as a felon. He is so suspicious and hardened that even when someone ''does'' try to assist him (a [[GoodShepherd kindly priest]]) Valjean instead steals his silver. The priest, instead of sending him back to prison when he's caught, instead covers for him, giving Valjean a second chance. Once removed from this state, he becomes a successful businessman and town mayor, but only by breaking parole. Thus he's pursued by {{Inspector Javert}}, who only cares that he broke the law, which leads Valjean into further crime to escape. It's also echoed by Fantine, who's dismissed from her job when it's found out she's an unwed mother, and forced into prostitution to survive. She's arrested for striking a man harassing her, catches a fever and dies. Javert on the other hand firmly believes this is wrong, but rather crime isn't the result of environment ''or'' heredity (especially the latter he's keen to disprove, as both his parents were criminals). When it's finally proven to him that Valjean is a good man, he can't stand the revelation, [[DrivenToSuicide killing himself]].
22nd Mar '18 10:04:42 PM nombretomado
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* In ''TheOffice'' episode "Weight Loss"...

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* In ''TheOffice'' ''Series/{{The Office|US}}'' episode "Weight Loss"...
6th Mar '18 5:08:00 PM UchuuFlamenco
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* In OnePiece, the New Fishman Pirates' IrrationalHatred is explained to be a result of growing up in a culture dominated by racism. Prince Fukaboshi goes on to say that the rest of Fishman Island is to blame, as instead of trying to reform the Fishman District's residents, they just ignored them and hoped things would turn out okay.

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* In OnePiece, ''Manga/OnePiece'', the New Fishman Pirates' IrrationalHatred is explained to be a result of growing up in a culture dominated by racism. Prince Fukaboshi goes on to say that the rest of Fishman Island is to blame, as instead of trying to reform the Fishman District's residents, they just ignored them and hoped things would turn out okay.
27th Feb '18 12:35:53 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Homer sometimes says the same line if you hit someone's car in ''TheSimpsonsHitAndRun''.

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* Homer sometimes says the same line if you hit someone's car in ''TheSimpsonsHitAndRun''.''VideoGame/TheSimpsonsHitAndRun''.
21st Jan '18 12:28:16 AM Fireblood
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* This seems to be the play's message regarding Jean Valjean and many other people in ''Theater/LesMiserables''. Valjean only stole to feed his sister's family, and got five years in prison. The conditions were so brutal he tried to escape multiple times, with each extending his sentence. When he's paroled at last after ''nineteen'' years, he finds it impossible to find work as a felon. He is so suspicious and hardened than even when someone ''does'' try to assist him (a [[GoodShepherd kindly priest]]) Valjean instead steals his silver. The priest, instead of sending him back to prison when he's caught, instead covers for him, giving Valjean a second chance. Once removed from this state, he becomes a successful businessman and town mayor, but only by breaking parole. Thus he's pursued by {{Inspector Javert}}, who only cares that he broke the law, which leads Valjean into further crime to escape. It's also echoed by Fantine, who's dismissed from her job when it's found out she's an unwed mother, and forced into prostitution to survive. She's arrested for striking a man harassing her, catches a fever and dies. Javert on the other hand firmly believes this is wrong, but rather crime isn't the result of environment ''or'' heredity (especially the latter he's keen to disprove, as both his parents were criminals). When it's finally proven to him that Valjean is a good man, he can't stand the revelation, [[DrivenToSuicide killing himself]].

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* This seems to be the play's message regarding Jean Valjean and many other people in ''Theater/LesMiserables''. Valjean only stole to feed his sister's family, and got five years in prison. The conditions were so brutal he tried to escape multiple times, with each extending his sentence. When he's paroled at last after ''nineteen'' years, he finds it impossible to find work as a felon. He is so suspicious and hardened than that even when someone ''does'' try to assist him (a [[GoodShepherd kindly priest]]) Valjean instead steals his silver. The priest, instead of sending him back to prison when he's caught, instead covers for him, giving Valjean a second chance. Once removed from this state, he becomes a successful businessman and town mayor, but only by breaking parole. Thus he's pursued by {{Inspector Javert}}, who only cares that he broke the law, which leads Valjean into further crime to escape. It's also echoed by Fantine, who's dismissed from her job when it's found out she's an unwed mother, and forced into prostitution to survive. She's arrested for striking a man harassing her, catches a fever and dies. Javert on the other hand firmly believes this is wrong, but rather crime isn't the result of environment ''or'' heredity (especially the latter he's keen to disprove, as both his parents were criminals). When it's finally proven to him that Valjean is a good man, he can't stand the revelation, [[DrivenToSuicide killing himself]].
4th Jan '18 1:58:41 PM infernape612
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** Really, this is the backdrop behind pretty much every villain in the series, at least the ones that aren't just plain AxeCrazy. Orochimaru was orphaned by the ninja wars, and thus sought ways to conquer death that led him off into inhuman territory. Gaara was a TykeBomb designed by his father who just snapped under the social pressure of being a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer complete pariah.]] Itachi was really screwed up by torn loyalties, Pain corrupted by the futility of constant war, and even the main villains of the entire series were messed up by clan warfare and the casualties of war. The series does not claim that their actions are justified because of that, but the messed-up system of the shinobi world is shown to be responsible for many of the monstrosities.

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** Really, this is the backdrop behind pretty much every villain in the series, at least the ones that aren't just plain AxeCrazy.AxCrazy. Orochimaru was orphaned by the ninja wars, and thus sought ways to conquer death that led him off into inhuman territory. Gaara was a TykeBomb designed by his father who just snapped under the social pressure of being a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer complete pariah.]] Itachi was really screwed up by torn loyalties, Pain corrupted by the futility of constant war, and even the main villains of the entire series were messed up by clan warfare and the casualties of war. The series does not claim that their actions are justified because of that, but the messed-up system of the shinobi world is shown to be responsible for many of the monstrosities.
29th Dec '17 2:04:58 PM AgentS7
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On the other hand, it can also be used as an argument that a particular society is to blame for a social ill, and therefore a justification for rebelling against that society--even if the social ill is common to all human societies and therefore [[MeetTheNewBoss the revolutionary regime will inevitably have the exact same problem]].

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On the other hand, it can also be used as an argument that a particular society is to blame for a social ill, and therefore a justification for rebelling against that society--even if the social ill is common to all human societies and therefore [[MeetTheNewBoss the revolutionary regime will inevitably probably have the exact same problem]].
19th Nov '17 6:30:06 PM WarriorsGate
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Basically, the old idea that people can be forced into a life of crime through extenuating circumstances. Since a person is born into a poor, violent, or non-white social milieu, we should not be surprised when such a person becomes a criminal, nor should we blame him for resorting to criminal activity; all his life, he has been operating at a disadvantage that most AcceptableTargets don't suffer from.

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Basically, the old The idea that people can be forced into a life of crime through extenuating circumstances. Since When a person is born into a poor, violent, or non-white disenfranchised social milieu, we should not be surprised when such a person becomes a criminal, nor should we blame him for resorting to criminal activity; all his life, he has been operating at a disadvantage that most AcceptableTargets don't suffer from.
17th Nov '17 8:36:54 AM SpaceHunterDrakeRedcrest
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* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d but {{defied|Trope}} in ''Literature/CaptainUnderpants Extra Crunchy Book o' Fun''. In the final exam, one question asks what is often to blame for creating monsters, and the first answer is "society." The correct answer, however, is nuclear waste.



** In 1990, ''TheSimpsons'' exploded onto the pop-culture scene. Bart Simpson almost immediately became the most Moral Panic-inducing public figure of the past decade, not the least because of a line of subversive T-shirts with Bart's image that kids of all ages began sporting on the streets. One of the most notorious had Bart casually explaining: "I'm just the product of a society that's lost its good manners, [[TotallyRadical man]]."

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** In 1990, ''TheSimpsons'' ''The Simpsons'' exploded onto the pop-culture scene. Bart Simpson almost immediately became the most Moral Panic-inducing public figure of the past decade, not the least because of a line of subversive T-shirts with Bart's image that kids of all ages began sporting on the streets. One of the most notorious had Bart casually explaining: "I'm just the product of a society that's lost its good manners, [[TotallyRadical man]]."


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** In one of the early shorts, Bart wants Grampa to tell a scary story. As Grampa starts telling it, he suddenly dies. [[spoiler: Not really. [[TheGadfly He's just pulling Bart's leg]].]]
-->'''Lisa:''' You killed Grampa.
-->'''Bart:''' No way, man! Society killed Grampa!
15th Jul '17 10:39:01 AM nombretomado
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* ''Anime/{{Rainbow}}'' blames it all on WorldWarII--with Japan's economy in ruins, there simply isn't enough to go around, and those who can't survive legally must necessarily steal to survive.

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* ''Anime/{{Rainbow}}'' blames it all on WorldWarII--with UsefulNotes/WorldWarII--with Japan's economy in ruins, there simply isn't enough to go around, and those who can't survive legally must necessarily steal to survive.
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