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2nd Apr '16 9:33:19 PM SpiritofPublicAccess
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[[ValuesDissonance What is obscure varies depending on time and place.]] Shows from the 70s and 80s will assume that people will know about figures like UsefulNotes/AugustoPinochet and UsefulNotes/LeonidBrezhnev, but one can't assume the same anymore, while references to certain American personalities in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' will fly over the heads of viewers from elsewhere. Yet, while due to his antics, a lot of Americans probably know Rob Ford is the mayor of Toronto, they'd be hard pressed to name the Prime Minister of Canada (Justin Trudeau, since 2015).

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[[ValuesDissonance What is obscure varies depending on time and place.]] Shows from the 70s and 80s will assume that people will know about figures like UsefulNotes/AugustoPinochet and UsefulNotes/LeonidBrezhnev, but one can't assume the same anymore, while references to certain American personalities in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' will fly over the heads of viewers from elsewhere. Yet, while due to his antics, a lot of Americans probably know Rob Ford is the mayor of Toronto, Toronto (or at least ''was'' until his recent death), they'd be hard pressed to name the Prime Minister of Canada (Justin Trudeau, since 2015).
20th Mar '16 10:36:05 AM Silverblade2
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* Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 averts this trope ''hard''. Nothing is too obscure to reference; their official Youtube channel is working on producing annotated versions of each episode to explain the references, and the explanations make you realize just how obscure they get. The writers' philosophy was, "The ''right'' people will get it."

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* Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 averts this trope ''hard''.trope. Nothing is too obscure to reference; their official Youtube channel is working on producing annotated versions of each episode to explain the references, and the explanations make you realize just how obscure they get. The writers' philosophy was, "The ''right'' people will get it."
18th Feb '16 8:33:53 PM trulymadmoves
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* Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 averts this trope ''hard''. Nothing is too obscure to reference; their official Youtube channel is working on producing annotated versions of each episode to explain the references, and the explanations make you realize just how obscure they get. The writers' philosophy was, "The ''right'' people will get it."
** A good example is how they were constantly referencing ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', which isn't an aversion of this trope nowadays, but certainly was before the movies came out.
** Probably the farthest they ever pushed this was the line "Look out Mike, she's got your computer!", which was a reference to the time head writer Mike Nelson's ex-girlfriend stole his computer. [[UpToEleven This joke was made when Mike wasn't even a cast member on the show yet]].
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* Podcast/RiffTrax follows the example of MST3K in Live-Action TV above, and even directly references the "The right people will get it" philosophy at one point. (following a fairly obvious joke about Creator/DanielRadcliffe's performance in ''Theatre/{{Equus}}'')
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3rd Feb '16 2:19:57 PM AHI-3000
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16th Jan '16 2:01:03 AM Anddrix
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On the subject of contemporary music, film, television, and (to a lesser extent) sports, television characters can comfortably mention all kinds of people, expecting that most, or at least ''enough'', of the audience will know whom they're talking about. On most other matters, however, their world becomes very small; TV producers fear any comment that might [[ViewersAreMorons ever go over anyone's head]], and thus only the most obvious and world-renowned people and things are allowed a mention.

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On the subject of contemporary music, film, television, and (to a lesser extent) sports, television characters can comfortably mention all kinds of people, expecting that most, or at least ''enough'', of the audience will know whom they're talking about. On most other matters, however, their world becomes very small; TV producers fear any comment that might [[ViewersAreMorons ever go over anyone's head]], head, and thus only the most obvious and world-renowned people and things are allowed a mention.
7th Jan '16 11:30:02 AM nombretomado
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** This has improved somewhat largely due to shows such as ''SoYouThinkYouCanDance'' and ''DancingWithTheStars'', and movies like ''Take the Lead'' and the ''StepUp'' franchise.

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** This has improved somewhat largely due to shows such as ''SoYouThinkYouCanDance'' ''Series/SoYouThinkYouCanDance'' and ''DancingWithTheStars'', ''Series/DancingWithTheStars'', and movies like ''Take the Lead'' and the ''StepUp'' franchise.
8th Dec '15 7:11:52 AM IlGreven
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** Americans will also mention Three Mile Island, though it was relatively tame in comparison.
26th Nov '15 10:12:11 PM Kadorhal
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* All pistols are either Glocks or "Colt [=.45s=]" , all shotguns are just "shotguns", all submachine guns are Uzis, all rifles are AK-[=47s=], all mounted machine guns are either miniguns or ".50 cals", and all rocket launchers are "Bazookas". This even happens with people who ''do'' know a thing or two about guns - any M4 seen without the distinctive carry handle will be mistaken as an [=HK416=], for instance.

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* All pistols are either Glocks or "Colt [=.45s=]" , "Colt .45s", all shotguns are just "shotguns", all submachine guns are Uzis, all rifles are AK-[=47s=], AK-47s, all mounted machine guns are either miniguns or ".50 cals", and all rocket launchers explosives are "Bazookas". This even happens with people who ''do'' know a thing or two about guns - any M4 seen without the distinctive carry handle will be mistaken as an [=HK416=], for instance.



* Creator/DennisMiller is famous for constantly bringing up obscure references, so much so that a website was created to decipher his comments on ''MondayNightFootball'' for the average football fan.

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* Creator/DennisMiller is famous for constantly bringing up obscure references, so much so that a website was created to decipher his comments on ''MondayNightFootball'' ''Series/MondayNightFootball'' for the average football fan.



* DavidMitchell argues against using small reference pools in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG9JcyLYbw_from=TL&videos=xPYn-uLmsHM=sub this video]], pointing out that many people, especially teenagers, are more likely to just Google the reference than to feel excluded for not getting it.

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* DavidMitchell Creator/DavidMitchell argues against using small reference pools in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG9JcyLYbw_from=TL&videos=xPYn-uLmsHM=sub this video]], pointing out that many people, especially teenagers, are more likely to just Google the reference than to feel excluded for not getting it.



* Linus Van Pelt of ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' was fond of [[AsTheGoodBookSays quoting Bible passages]], often from fairly obscure books of both the Old and New Testaments. (And there is his immortal quoting of the Gospel of Luke in ''A Charlie Brown Christmas'', but that had always been well-known to Christians.) And cartoonist Charles Schulz, a big sports fan, frequently mentioned famous athletes of the day, most of whom are all but forgotten today (French-Canadian hockey player Maurice Richard, for instance).

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* Linus Van Pelt of ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' was fond of [[AsTheGoodBookSays quoting Bible passages]], often from fairly obscure books of both the Old and New Testaments. (And And there is his immortal quoting of the Gospel of Luke in ''A Charlie Brown Christmas'', but that had always been well-known to Christians.) Christians. And cartoonist Charles Schulz, a big sports fan, frequently mentioned famous athletes of the day, most of whom are all but forgotten today (French-Canadian hockey player Maurice Richard, for instance).



* Lasagna was not widely known west of the Hudson River or to non-Italian-Americans until it was revealed to be [[ComicStrip/{{Garfield}} Garfield's]] favorite food. One strip even had Jon Arbuckle name-dropping various Italian cheeses as he prepared Garfield's meal: ''ricotta'', ''mozzarella'', parmesan (''parmagiana'' in Italian).

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* Lasagna was not widely known west of the Hudson River or to non-Italian-Americans until it was revealed to be [[ComicStrip/{{Garfield}} Garfield's]] ComicStrip/{{Garfield}}'s favorite food. One strip even had Jon Arbuckle name-dropping various Italian cheeses as he prepared Garfield's meal: ''ricotta'', ''mozzarella'', parmesan (''parmagiana'' in Italian).



* While not the SMALLEST reference pool...in The Secret World, they mention Vivaldi as a composer.
* ''VisualNovel/SteinsGate'' goes as far as making a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor ten-year-old internet hoax a major plot point]].

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* While not the SMALLEST ''smallest'' reference pool...pool, in The Secret World, ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'', they mention Vivaldi as a composer.
* ''VisualNovel/SteinsGate'' goes as far as making a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor a ten-year-old internet hoax hoax]] a major plot point]].point.



* ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic'' lives on averting this trope. Obscure mathematical jokes abound. Luckily for the majority of his readers, the extensive annotations underneath each strip explain the mathematical or scientific principle in question, often a whole lot better than your math teacher or textbook will. Extensive and accurate historical and literary jokes are also common. ''Irregular Webcomic'' doesn't sacrifice humor for "get out of my head" moments

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* ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic'' lives on averting this trope. Obscure mathematical jokes abound. Luckily for the majority of his readers, the extensive annotations underneath each strip explain the mathematical or scientific principle in question, often a whole lot better than your math teacher or textbook will. Extensive and accurate historical and literary jokes are also common. ''Irregular Webcomic'' doesn't sacrifice humor for "get out of my head" momentsmoments.
12th Nov '15 12:15:04 PM uhema
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[[ValuesDissonance What is obscure varies depending on time and place.]] Shows from the 70s and 80s will assume that people will know about figures like UsefulNotes/AugustoPinochet and UsefulNotes/LeonidBrezhnev, but one can't assume the same anymore, while references to certain American personalities in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' will fly over the heads of viewers from elsewhere. Yet, while due to his antics, a lot of Americans probably know Rob Ford is the mayor of Toronto, they'd be hard pressed to name the Prime Minister of Canada (Stephen Harper, since 2006).

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[[ValuesDissonance What is obscure varies depending on time and place.]] Shows from the 70s and 80s will assume that people will know about figures like UsefulNotes/AugustoPinochet and UsefulNotes/LeonidBrezhnev, but one can't assume the same anymore, while references to certain American personalities in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' will fly over the heads of viewers from elsewhere. Yet, while due to his antics, a lot of Americans probably know Rob Ford is the mayor of Toronto, they'd be hard pressed to name the Prime Minister of Canada (Stephen Harper, (Justin Trudeau, since 2006).
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31st Oct '15 6:40:56 PM DoctorNemesis
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* Discussed in religious terms by Irish comedian Dara O'Briain in one of his stand-up routines; he discusses how after making jokes about Catholics and Protestants in many of his routines, he'd be approached by religious people who'd lambast him for being [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad "too scared"]] to instead make jokes about Muslims. O'Briain pointed out that the actual reason was that not only did he not actually know anything about Muslims, but most of his intended audience probably didn't either, so even if he were to research and write a devastating take-down of Islam, most of his audience wouldn't get it.
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