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16th Jul '17 4:53:07 AM meanmetalmario
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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that he can in fact make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that knowing he can in fact make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].
16th Jul '17 4:51:48 AM meanmetalmario
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* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' has Dinobot who spends most of the 2nd season contemplating his fate and whether he has any control over it, once he discovers [[spoiler:Megatron has a method to predict the future using the golden disk. Dinobot goes through enough grief that he joins the Predacons for the simple reason they're more likely to win and after rejoining the Maximals he contemplates suicide. He finally finds his answer witnessing Megatron directly changing the future of his own free will, Dinobot becomes relieved and ironically finds himself with no choice but to perform a HeroicSacrifice to thwart Megatron's plan to wipe out human existence. In death, Dinobot finds peace knowing he died from actions of his own free will.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' has In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot who spends most of the 2nd second season contemplating his fate and agonizing over whether he truly has any control over it, once he discovers [[spoiler:Megatron has a method to predict the future using the golden disk. Dinobot goes through enough grief that he joins the Predacons for the simple reason they're more likely to win and after rejoining the Maximals he contemplates suicide. He finally finds freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer witnessing when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that he can in fact make his own free will, Dinobot becomes relieved and ironically finds himself with choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to perform pull a HeroicSacrifice to thwart Megatron's plan to wipe out human existence. In death, Dinobot finds peace knowing he died and stop it from actions of his own happening]].
* In ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'', Owlman discovers that neither
free will.]]will nor fate exists. Any time anyone anywhere makes any choice, the universe itself splits into multiple branches, so it doesn't matter whether you chose A or B, because another universe was just created where you chose the other one. This revelation causes him to go very much off the deep end and attempt to make what he feels is the only choice that truly matters: [[spoiler:[[OmnicidalManiac destroying the entire multiverse]]]].
9th Jun '17 9:32:44 PM 98cc
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* Invoked by the Narrator in ''Theatre/MurderBallad'': ''"Free will and fate both played their part..."''
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1st Jun '17 7:38:34 PM nombretomado
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* The ''Literature/WheelOfTime'' weaves [[BecauseDestinySaysSo how people live and what they do]], and although there are people, ta'veren, around whom the wheel weaves, even they don't have anything to say in their own lives, because YouCantFightFate.

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* The ''Literature/WheelOfTime'' ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' weaves [[BecauseDestinySaysSo how people live and what they do]], and although there are people, ta'veren, around whom the wheel weaves, even they don't have anything to say in their own lives, because YouCantFightFate.
5th Mar '17 10:54:52 AM KingNilbog
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** Indeed, one of the main reasons Black and Blue are enemy colors to Green is that they dislike Green's belief that YouCantFightFate.
4th Feb '17 8:41:07 PM Dawnwing
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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan not knowing the original vision.]]

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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan [=StarClan=] prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan [=StarClan=] not knowing the original vision.]]
4th Feb '17 8:40:32 PM Dawnwing
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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan not knowing the original vision.]]
8th Dec '16 12:24:05 PM Slothgirl
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* The ''Film/StarTrek'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9795158/1/Written-in-the-Stars Written in the Stars]]'' has this as a theme. The Fem!Kirk of the Alt Reality wants to make her own choices, while her Prime counterpart tries to convince her to hook up with Spock, since the Primes did in the original universe. When it's revealed that Fem!Kirk and Spock hooked up in two other realities, it leaves the question of whether they're all just making the same choices or whether the two are just fated to be together.

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* The ''Film/StarTrek'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9795158/1/Written-in-the-Stars Written in the Stars]]'' ''Fanfic/WrittenInTheStars'' has this as a theme. The Fem!Kirk of the Alt Reality wants to make her own choices, while her Prime counterpart tries to convince her to hook up with Spock, since the Primes did in the original universe. When it's revealed that Fem!Kirk and Spock hooked up in two other realities, it leaves the question of whether they're all just making the same choices or whether the two are just fated to be together.
28th Aug '16 12:45:14 AM Fireblood
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* ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'': The issue of how much (if any) free will people have, plus what it even means, is discussed in detail with "[[http://existentialcomics.com/comic/70 A Dialogue On Compatibilism]]".
10th Aug '16 7:49:51 PM sorako
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* In ''Manga/MiraiNikki'' the Future Diaries can be changed almost immediately as they predict.

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* In ''Manga/MiraiNikki'' ''Manga/FutureDiary'' the Future Diaries can be changed almost immediately as they predict.
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