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2nd Jun '18 10:04:34 AM LavonPapillon1
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* '''[[MultipleChoiceFuture Prophecies Are Optional]]'''
** Much like how one can find over a dozen different brands of coffee and chocolate and milk at the supermarket, there holds as many possible futures. There is a [[TheChosenOne Chosen One]] for every crisis and a divergence for every choice made. When the future is a multiple choice question with no wrong answers, one SelfFulfillingProphecy means a near-infinite supply of [[SelfDefeatingProphecy Self-Defeating Prophecies]].
21st May '18 10:50:36 PM LummoxJR
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* In ''Literature/TheAffix'' the words of the gem's previous long-term keeper imply fate and free will are both valid, and should be kept in balance. Just because the universe is deterministic doesn't mean a person's choices aren't their own. Various characters have wildly differing beliefs on the subject, but Matt sides with his predecessor's embrace of compatibilism.
3rd Mar '18 4:28:38 PM mariic
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** [[spoiler: As the GrandFinale shows, it's [[ScrewDestiny Free Will]].]]
21st Feb '18 12:14:46 AM Cryoclaste
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* UnLunDun: Its heroine Deeba is the Trope Namer for TheUnchosenOne. She fought the BigBad even though the Book of Prophecies listed her as PluckyComicRelief.

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* UnLunDun: ''Literature/UnLunDun:'' Its heroine Deeba is the Trope Namer for TheUnchosenOne. She fought the BigBad even though the Book of Prophecies listed her as PluckyComicRelief.
28th Jan '18 9:32:31 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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In The Pantheon/TropePantheon, this trope is represented by [[VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}} chaos]] from the video game ''Xenosaga''.
28th Jan '18 9:04:16 AM MysticStarLover1221
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In The Pantheon/TropePantheon, this trope is represented by [[VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}} chaos]] from the video game ''Xenosaga''.
22nd Jan '18 8:03:31 PM DustSnitch
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* In ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', Dante's crusader ancestor explains that God's absolute knowledge of the future (what we'd call "fate") in no way limits man's freedom, in the same way knowing a ship on a river will move downstream in no way causes it to go downstream.
6th Sep '17 6:41:03 AM nighttrainfm
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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that knowing he can in fact make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].
* In ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'', Owlman discovers that neither free will nor fate exists. Any time anyone anywhere makes any choice, the universe itself splits into multiple branches, so it doesn't matter whether you chose A or B, because another universe was just created where you chose the other one. This revelation causes him to go very much off the deep end and attempt to make what he feels is the only choice that truly matters: [[spoiler:[[OmnicidalManiac destroying the entire multiverse]]]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that knowing he can can, in fact fact, make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].
happening.]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'', Owlman discovers that neither free will nor fate exists. Any time anyone anywhere makes any choice, the universe itself splits into multiple branches, so it doesn't matter whether you chose A or B, because another universe was just created where you chose the other one. This revelation causes him to go very much off the deep end and attempt to make what he feels is the only choice that truly matters: [[spoiler:[[OmnicidalManiac destroying the entire multiverse]]]].multiverse]].]]
30th Aug '17 3:17:08 AM nighttrainfm
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* In the universe of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' and ''Series/{{Angel}},'' it comes very close to "you can't fight fate" (although you certainly ''can'' make it literally true but mean different things). Prophecy showed Buffy was destined to die fighting The Master. Despite Buffy's attempt to avert it by not fighting him (she changes her mind), Giles' attempt to avert it by wanting to be the one to fight The Master, and an attempt by Xander to fight it as well, it happens...but then Xander brings her back to life with mouth to mouth.
** Similarly, "The Father Will Kill The Son" relating to Angel and Connor, even though it was placed in a prophecy book to mislead, nevertheless came true, though again just literally: Angel "killed" Connor, but as part of a deal that gave Connor a new, more normal, life. The demon who planted the fake prophecy to try to stop the real one that Connor would kill him, nevertheless was in fact killed by Connor. The only aversion of literal fate in the two series might have been Jasmine's defeat in ''Angel'' Season 4; and while the Tro-Clon prophecy sort of suggested something like Jasmine's rise, whether it ruled out her eventual defeat is questionable.

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* In the universe of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' and ''Series/{{Angel}},'' it ''Series/{{Angel}}'':
** It
comes very close to "you can't fight fate" (although you certainly ''can'' make it literally true but mean different things). Prophecy A prophecy showed Buffy was destined to die fighting The Master. Despite Buffy's attempt to avert it by not fighting him (she changes her mind), Giles' attempt to avert it by wanting to be the one to fight The Master, the Master (Buffy knocks him out), and an attempt by Xander to fight it as well, it happens...but then Xander [[RevivalLoophole brings her back to life with mouth to mouth.
mouth.]] Oh, and just to screw with them further, Buffy's first attempt to fight the Master is what gives him the power to escape his prison.
** Similarly, "Becoming Part One" ends with things going FromBadToWorse for the heroes, and Whistler narrating how "the big moments" in your life are always going to come, no matter what you do. He then refutes the idea that that makes us puppets, saying that it's what you do ''after'' those moments that defines you.
** Then there's
"The Father Will Kill The Son" relating to Angel and Connor, even Connor. Even though it was placed in a prophecy book to mislead, mislead the heroes, it nevertheless came true, though again just literally: Angel "killed" Connor, but as part of a deal that gave Connor a new, more normal, life. The demon who planted the fake prophecy to try to stop the real ''real'' one - that Connor would kill him, him - nevertheless was in fact killed by Connor. The only aversion of literal fate in the two series might have been Jasmine's defeat in ''Angel'' Season 4; and while the Tro-Clon prophecy sort of suggested something like Jasmine's rise, whether it ruled out her eventual defeat is questionable.
16th Jul '17 4:53:07 AM meanmetalmario
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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that he can in fact make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', since everyone is stuck on prehistoric Earth, Dinobot spends most of the second season agonizing over whether he truly has freedom of choice, or if YouAlreadyChangedThePast is in effect. [[spoiler:He gets his answer when he witness Megatron directly changing the future by blowing a chunk off a mountain, which causes an image of the future version of the same mountain to change and show the chunk missing. Since Megatron plans to wipe out the human race before it even exists by exterminating its prehistoric ancestors, Dinobot notes the irony that knowing he can in fact make his own choices is the very thing that makes him feel he has no choice to make but to pull a HeroicSacrifice and stop it from happening]].
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