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5th Mar '17 10:54:52 AM KingNilbog
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** Indeed, one of the main reasons Black and Blue are enemy colors to Green is that they dislike Green's belief that YouCantFightFate.
4th Feb '17 8:41:07 PM Dawnwing
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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan not knowing the original vision.]]

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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan [=StarClan=] prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan [=StarClan=] not knowing the original vision.]]
4th Feb '17 8:40:32 PM Dawnwing
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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'' basically subscribes to Prophecies Are Guides, Not Rules. [=StarClan=] can warn cats that bad stuff is going to happen, and with this foreknowledge cats are often able to avert terrible events. ''Warriors'' probably exists somewhere between this and Fighting Fate Is Hard, because only some cats succeed in thwarting fate. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rock claims to have seen the whole future in a vision and is the one making sure it plays out exactly as it's supposed to. And it does. He's the source of all StarClan prophecies, who themselves have no clairvoyance. So you might say that any signs of free will simply come from StarClan not knowing the original vision.]]
8th Dec '16 12:24:05 PM Slothgirl
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* The ''Film/StarTrek'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9795158/1/Written-in-the-Stars Written in the Stars]]'' has this as a theme. The Fem!Kirk of the Alt Reality wants to make her own choices, while her Prime counterpart tries to convince her to hook up with Spock, since the Primes did in the original universe. When it's revealed that Fem!Kirk and Spock hooked up in two other realities, it leaves the question of whether they're all just making the same choices or whether the two are just fated to be together.

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* The ''Film/StarTrek'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9795158/1/Written-in-the-Stars Written in the Stars]]'' ''Fanfic/WrittenInTheStars'' has this as a theme. The Fem!Kirk of the Alt Reality wants to make her own choices, while her Prime counterpart tries to convince her to hook up with Spock, since the Primes did in the original universe. When it's revealed that Fem!Kirk and Spock hooked up in two other realities, it leaves the question of whether they're all just making the same choices or whether the two are just fated to be together.
28th Aug '16 12:45:14 AM Fireblood
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* ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'': The issue of how much (if any) free will people have, plus what it even means, is discussed in detail with "[[http://existentialcomics.com/comic/70 A Dialogue On Compatibilism]]".
10th Aug '16 7:49:51 PM sorako
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* In ''Manga/MiraiNikki'' the Future Diaries can be changed almost immediately as they predict.

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* In ''Manga/MiraiNikki'' ''Manga/FutureDiary'' the Future Diaries can be changed almost immediately as they predict.
8th Jul '16 5:20:21 AM KGBtheRussianSpy
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' plays with this a lot, as two main characters, Garnet and Sapphire, have future vision
** The way Garnet describes her Future Vision in the eponymous episode makes it out to be a "Prophecies are just predictions" scenario- she can see every choice someone might make, and the consequences of each choice, but cannot know which path someone will take until they make that choice
** However, Sapphire's is presented a bit differently in the episode "The Answer," seeming to be more of a case of "Fighting Fate is Hard," as Ruby, a foot soldier assigned to her, was fated to die in battle. When she instead escapes her fate to fuse with Sapphire, she's astonished, to say the least, and it's revealed in the end of the episode that the only way Ruby managed to escape her destiny was through Trope/ThePowerOfLove .
6th Jul '16 1:51:54 AM morenohijazo
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* ''VideoGame/TheTalosPrinciple'': A bit of a running theme throughout the game, especially when talking with Milton, who is convinced there's no such thing as free will. The game itself falls roughly into the idea that fighting fate is hard, at least for the robots running around in the program, as [[spoiler:it takes at least 100 generations to find one bot that is willing to defy Elohim's guidance, climb the tower, and be able to climb to the very top and end the simulation]].
11th May '16 11:46:59 AM erforce
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->Free will! By the Titans' toe-cheese, they told me you were sharp but I had ''no idea''. Yes, Parson Gotti, Lord of Hamsters, do you believe Fate is a mighty wind? One that propels us inexorably to our final destination? Or do you believe... that the ''individual'' can steer the ship of self, to the port of his ''choice'', however emphatically the world may try to blow him?
-->-- [[ScrewDestiny Jojo]] while speaking to [[{{Protagonist}} Parson]] of defying fate, ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}''.

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->Free ->''"Free will! By the Titans' toe-cheese, they told me you were sharp but I had ''no idea''. Yes, Parson Gotti, Lord of Hamsters, do you believe Fate is a mighty wind? One that propels us inexorably to our final destination? Or do you believe... that the ''individual'' can steer the ship of self, to the port of his ''choice'', however emphatically the world may try to blow him?
him?"''
-->-- [[ScrewDestiny Jojo]] '''[[ScrewDestiny Jojo]]''', while speaking to [[{{Protagonist}} Parson]] of defying fate, ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}''.



* ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'', firmly believes in "No fate but what we make" and the entire series comes down to Sarah and John trying to prevent the events of T3 right up to the end. Then the series throws the whole thing for a loop when [[spoiler: John Connor jumps ahead through time past the point of Judgment Day, and it turns out that the resistance is still alive and kicking without him.]]

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* ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'', ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'', firmly believes in "No fate but what we make" and the entire series comes down to Sarah and John trying to prevent the events of T3 right up to the end. Then the series throws the whole thing for a loop when [[spoiler: John Connor jumps ahead through time past the point of Judgment Day, and it turns out that the resistance is still alive and kicking without him.]]
1st May '16 4:56:47 AM erforce
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* The ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'' films absolutely cannot make up their minds about where they stand on this because of the TimeyWimeyBall. The dominant theme overtly stated in the second film was "No Fate But What We Make," but the film's ScrewDestiny finale was offset by film three which just showed it as delaying the inevitable, and then there's the fact that none of the series should work if not for the StableTimeLoop.

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* The ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'' films absolutely cannot make up their minds about where they stand on this because of the TimeyWimeyBall. The dominant theme overtly stated in the [[Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay second film film]] was "No Fate But What We Make," but the film's ScrewDestiny finale was offset by film three which just showed it as delaying the inevitable, and then there's the fact that none of the series should work if not for the StableTimeLoop.
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