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See also: TheIdealist and TheCynic for the archetypal characters. Less sane characters fit in this scale in their own way, with a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} or a LoonWithAHeartOfGold leaning towards the Idealism side. For how both sides often portray each other, see WideEyedIdealist[=/=]SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids, and GrumpyBear[=/=]SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. See CynicismTropes, and IdealismTropes for lists of each.

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See also: TheIdealist and TheCynic for the archetypal characters. Less sane characters fit in this scale in their own way, with a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} or a LoonWithAHeartOfGold leaning towards the Idealism side. For how both sides often portray each other, see WideEyedIdealist[=/=]SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids, and GrumpyBear[=/=]SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers.SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers. See CynicismTropes, and IdealismTropes for lists of each.
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Which best solves problems? ThePowerOfFriendship, or [[KillHimAlready a bullet between the eyes?]]

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Which best solves problems? ThePowerOfFriendship, or [[KillHimAlready a bullet between Can ThePowerOfFriendship save the eyes?]]
day? Or [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption Is Violence the Only Option]]?
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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw]] [[TheEeyore pessimism]] (let alone realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can be consistently [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] throughout (see also: AWorldHalfFull).

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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes straw optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw]] [[TheEeyore pessimism]] (let alone realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can be consistently [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] throughout (see also: AWorldHalfFull).
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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw]] [[TheEeyore pessimism]] (let alone realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can end [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] (see also: AWorldHalfFull).

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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw]] [[TheEeyore pessimism]] (let alone realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can end be consistently [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] throughout (see also: AWorldHalfFull).
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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw pessimism]] (or realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can end [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] (see also: AWorldHalfFull).

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However, be careful not to confuse idealism with [[WideEyedIdealist straw straw]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes optimism]], cynicism with [[StrawNihilist straw straw]] [[TheEeyore pessimism]] (or (let alone realism, for that matter), and the scale as a whole with the SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness. Also note that when this applies to characters, this does not mean good or evil. After all, it's perfectly possible for an idealist to be [[KnightTemplar evil]], and a cynic to be [[KnightInSourArmor good]]. Likewise, a very cynical series could be quite [[LighterAndSofter lighthearted]] (see also: CrapsaccharineWorld), conversely a very idealistic series could be extremely [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]]. It's also true that [[BlackComedy comedies]] can be cynical as all hell (see also: {{Satire}}), and dark dramas can end [[EarnYourHappyEnding idealistic]] (see also: AWorldHalfFull).

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